Re: Access to Hsinchu late in the evening on Sat 7/28

[Thomas Kuiper]

use taxi :) It will cost you TWD 1000 max.

On July 18, 2018 12:54:48 PM GMT+09:00, Norbert Preining 
 wrote:
>Hi Yao,
>
>thanks for the info.
>
>> Sorry. That TPE->Taipei->Hsinchu approach seems work only if you can
>take
>> the bus (Howtai bus) in Taipei before 1AM. The next bus sets off at
>5AM.
>
>I think that should be possible, or? I am arriving at 9:50 pm, so it
>should be possible to arrive in Taipei before 1am.
>
>But I am seriously pondering a taxi to make it less painful.
>
>Best
>
>Norbert
>
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Re: Access to Hsinchu late in the evening on Sat 7/28

[Norbert Preining]

Hi Yao,

thanks for the info.

> Sorry. That TPE->Taipei->Hsinchu approach seems work only if you can take
> the bus (Howtai bus) in Taipei before 1AM. The next bus sets off at 5AM.

I think that should be possible, or? I am arriving at 9:50 pm, so it
should be possible to arrive in Taipei before 1am.

But I am seriously pondering a taxi to make it less painful.

Best

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Re: Access to Hsinchu late in the evening on Sat 7/28

[Yao Wei]

Sorry. That TPE->Taipei->Hsinchu approach seems work only if you can take
the bus (Howtai bus) in Taipei before 1AM. The next bus sets off at 5AM.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Yao Wei  wrote:

> If you find someone else arriving at the same time, you can take taxi
> since this is the easiest way to do.
>
> I haven't tried but it seems to be viable to take bus to Taipei, then take
> another bus to Hsinchu.  This approach has been written in the wiki but we
> try to find a canonical approach to arrive to the venue we removed the part.
>
> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki?title=DebConf18/Getting_Around&oldid=46620
>
> I am going to add this back in case if anyone arrives in the airport late.
>
> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Norbert Preining 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am arriving from Komatsu, Japan in Taipei Taoyuan on Sat 7/28 at 21:50.
>> Any suggestions how to move to Hsinchu at this time, anyone else
>> arriving around this time (nothing mention on the travel schedule wiki,
>> though).
>>
>> Thanks for any suggestions
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Norbert
>>
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Re: Access to Hsinchu late in the evening on Sat 7/28

[Yao Wei]

If you find someone else arriving at the same time, you can take taxi since
this is the easiest way to do.

I haven't tried but it seems to be viable to take bus to Taipei, then take
another bus to Hsinchu.  This approach has been written in the wiki but we
try to find a canonical approach to arrive to the venue we removed the part.

https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki?title=DebConf18/Getting_Around&oldid=46620

I am going to add this back in case if anyone arrives in the airport late.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Norbert Preining 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I am arriving from Komatsu, Japan in Taipei Taoyuan on Sat 7/28 at 21:50.
> Any suggestions how to move to Hsinchu at this time, anyone else
> arriving around this time (nothing mention on the travel schedule wiki,
> though).
>
> Thanks for any suggestions
>
> Best
>
> Norbert
>
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>

Re: Electronic shops around Hsinchu

[Yao Wei]

There are electric shops downhill from the campus along Kuangfu Rd, just
nearby Coolpc.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Thomas Kuiper 
wrote:

>
> On 2018-07-18 11:34, Hector Oron wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >   It looks like Taiwan is one of the major electronic device
> > providers, I have been told about [Guang Hua Digital Plaza] in Taipei,
> > but does someone know nearby electronic stores in Hsinchu?
> >
> > [Guang Hua Digital Plaza](http://www.gh3c.com.tw/)
> >
> > Best regards,
> I found Taiwan quite disappointing for electronic shopping. Used to be
> much better.
> I like this store for some custom motherboards & gaming keyboards:
> http://www.coolpc.com.tw/
> Easy to navigate through http://www.coolpc.com.tw/m/ to see some costs.
> Hsinchu is small and doesn't have much. There's a "Nova" 3C store thats
> like Guanghu in Taipei but smaller.
> CoolPC has an outlet there too: http://www.coolpc.com.tw/
> image/coolpc-hsinchu.gif
> Its a 20 mins walk (+ one sweaty Tshirt) from  NCTU
>
>
>

Re: Electronic shops around Hsinchu

[Thomas Kuiper]

On 2018-07-18 11:34, Hector Oron wrote:
> Hello,
>
>   It looks like Taiwan is one of the major electronic device
> providers, I have been told about [Guang Hua Digital Plaza] in Taipei,
> but does someone know nearby electronic stores in Hsinchu?
>
> [Guang Hua Digital Plaza](http://www.gh3c.com.tw/)
>
> Best regards,
I found Taiwan quite disappointing for electronic shopping. Used to be much 
better.
I like this store for some custom motherboards & gaming keyboards:
http://www.coolpc.com.tw/
Easy to navigate through http://www.coolpc.com.tw/m/ to see some costs.
Hsinchu is small and doesn't have much. There's a "Nova" 3C store thats like 
Guanghu in Taipei but smaller.
CoolPC has an outlet there too: 
http://www.coolpc.com.tw/image/coolpc-hsinchu.gif
Its a 20 mins walk (+ one sweaty Tshirt) from  NCTU

Access to Hsinchu late in the evening on Sat 7/28

[Norbert Preining]

Hi everyone,

I am arriving from Komatsu, Japan in Taipei Taoyuan on Sat 7/28 at 21:50.
Any suggestions how to move to Hsinchu at this time, anyone else
arriving around this time (nothing mention on the travel schedule wiki,
though).

Thanks for any suggestions

Best

Norbert

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Electronic shops around Hsinchu

[Hector Oron]

Hello,

  It looks like Taiwan is one of the major electronic device
providers, I have been told about [Guang Hua Digital Plaza] in Taipei,
but does someone know nearby electronic stores in Hsinchu?

[Guang Hua Digital Plaza](http://www.gh3c.com.tw/)

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 06:14:25PM -0700, kathey wrote:

[...]

> * The Bank of Taiwan buys American Dollars (USD) at 30.08 NTD, and sells
> them at 30.77. They take payments to the government as well as handling
> currancy exchanges in the airport. Here is their list of current exchange
> rates for many currancies: https://rate.bot.com.tw/xrt?Lang=en-US

Oh, that's so nice to finaly see an actual answer for the original
question on this endless I-know-more-than-you thread. Thanks for that :-)

Bests,

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[kathey]

On 07/17/2018 09:59 AM, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana wrote:
 >
 > Thanks, but this doesn't answer my question about exchange rate at 
airport.
 >

All the emphasis on Mastercard and Visa Reminds me of asking technical
questions and getting referred repeatedly to some "free" go-ogle service
instead. Exchange rates at the airport is a valid question no?

Re: DC18 - Currency

[kathey]

I know nothing about these sites' accuracy, but these below were the 
best I found with "https://DuckDuckGo.com"; and "site:gov.tw" term.


* The Bank of Taiwan buys American Dollars (USD) at 30.08 NTD, and sells 
them at 30.77. They take payments to the government as well as handling 
currancy exchanges in the airport. Here is their list of current 
exchange rates for many currancies: https://rate.bot.com.tw/xrt?Lang=en-US


* This site says to expect roughly 2.5% service fees for currancy 
exchanges. 
https://www.ihatetaxis.com/convert?amount=100&from=TWD&to=USD&destination=TPE-Taipei-Taoyuan-Airport. 
It also has lots of helpful information on ground transporation to and 
from TPE in English.


* Official web page of the TPE airport services includes showers!!! and 
banking, ATM etc. information with locations in many (all?) terminals: 
http://www.taoyuan-airport.com/english/store3


* Locations and 24hr phone numbers of exchanges at the Taoyuan Airport 
(TPE) 
http://airportbanking.com/taiwan-taoyuan-international-airport-tpe/#currency-exchange. 

Re: DC18 - Currency

[Thomas Kuiper]

On 2018-07-18 09:29, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> On 07/18/2018 02:26 AM, Norbert Preining wrote:
>>> Just find an ATM with the VISA logo.
>> You incredible travel experience seems to never have brought you to such
>> highly civilized countries as Japan ... getting cash here is a pain,
>> still in 2018.
> One of my best friends is a professor in Japan and I'm going to Japan
> to visit him usually twice a year. I think, I mentioned that I had
> no problems so far withdrawing money in Japan using both my Norwegian
> and my German VISA card, usually at 7-11. Even in smaller towns like
> Maebashi or Neyagawa.
But you need to find 7-11. At most major banks in Japan, those cards will NOT 
work :-)
Anyhow in Japan you pay in the stores with VISA, Mastercard. Oddly never an 
issue there ;p

Thomas
Also a German (actually in Tokyo right now).

Re: DC18 - Currency

[Norbert Preining]

> and my German VISA card, usually at 7-11. Even in smaller towns like

Yes, 7-11, this is the way to go, but who of a first time visitor would
expect that the best (if not only) place to get money is a convenience
store!

Norbert

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 07/18/2018 03:06 AM, Thomas Kuiper wrote:
> But you need to find 7-11. At most major banks in Japan, those cards will NOT 
> work :-)

I'm pretty sure the 7-11 ATM I used at Neyagawa train station four months
ago was not actually inside a 7-11, it was just single machine.

And, as for finding an ATM. I think as a Debian 
Developer/Maintainer/Contributor,
one should be trained enough with the use of Google Maps or similar services
to find an ATM :).

> Anyhow in Japan you pay in the stores with VISA, Mastercard. Oddly never an 
> issue there ;p

Paying with VISA cards in stores has never been a problem for me except,
well, in Germany itself where VISA cards are usually frowned upon. I lived
in Norway for a year and usually never had any cash on me. It felt such
a step backwards coming back to Germany.

> Thomas
> Also a German (actually in Tokyo right now).

I will be coming back next spring :). But I guess we're getting off-topic.

Adrian

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 07/18/2018 02:59 AM, Norbert Preining wrote:
>> and my German VISA card, usually at 7-11. Even in smaller towns like
> 
> Yes, 7-11, this is the way to go, but who of a first time visitor would
> expect that the best (if not only) place to get money is a convenience
> store!

It's not limited to 7-11. They also have ATMs in shopping malls which
work just fine. In fact, I have only withdrawn money from a 7-11
ATM only once after I went to a Japanese bank in Neyagawa which wouldn't
take my card. But the tellers in the bank were so kind to point me to
the next 7-11 ATM at the main station.

Last time, I even used my German VISA card to pay for my groceries
at Mandai supermarket because I ran out of cash and to my surprise,
it just worked.

Adrian

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 07/18/2018 02:26 AM, Norbert Preining wrote:
>> Just find an ATM with the VISA logo.
> 
> You incredible travel experience seems to never have brought you to such
> highly civilized countries as Japan ... getting cash here is a pain,
> still in 2018.

One of my best friends is a professor in Japan and I'm going to Japan
to visit him usually twice a year. I think, I mentioned that I had
no problems so far withdrawing money in Japan using both my Norwegian
and my German VISA card, usually at 7-11. Even in smaller towns like
Maebashi or Neyagawa.

PS: I have been to two Debian Benkyou-kais in Japan.

Adrian

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[Norbert Preining]

> Just find an ATM with the VISA logo.

You incredible travel experience seems to never have brought you to such
highly civilized countries as Japan ... getting cash here is a pain,
still in 2018.

Enjoy.

Norbert

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[Thomas Kuiper]

On 2018-07-18 01:51, Bdale Garbee wrote:
> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz  writes:
>
>>> Expect no help from the counter.
>> Just find an ATM with the VISA logo.
> As someone with extensive travel experience, I can say it's not quite
> that simple.  In a number of countries I've visited, there have been
> ATMs with the VISA logo that would not work with a card issued in some
> other country.  [...]
> Regards,
>
> Bdale
Yes, I had issues especially in Japan (where many banks have no foreign 
offices) but issues in Singapore and China as well...

Taiwan was never a big problem (disclaimer: I live here since over a decade).
Some notes:
- Many ATM's support European "Maestro" cards.
- VISA debit and credit cards are supported
- Mastercard debit/credit cards are supported.
- You can find ATM's in almost every FamilyMart, 7-11, 24 hour a day to 
withdraw cash. Interface is English.
- Some banks require you to enable foreign cash transactions before you travel.
- Cash at airport is possible, you'll see "Megabank" (odd name right?)
  and Bank of Taiwan (both used to be the only national banks).
Their rates differ very slightly. You can find their rates here:
https://rate.bot.com.tw/xrt?Lang=en-US (English)
https://wwwfile.megabank.com.tw/other/bulletin02_02.asp (sorry only Chinese).
They both allow you to negotiate a little if the amount is above 1000 USD.
Since banking is pretty centralized in Taiwan rates are generally good (low 
spread).
You'll need your passport. Note that banks in Taiwan usually only offer over 
the counter
money exchange between 9:10 and 15:10.
- Many taxis can accept credit cards these days.
If you want to go by taxi to Hsinchu (cheapest is bus), you may book & prepay 
it here:
http://www.airportfrstcar.com/index.aspx (site is somewhat in English...)
- Don't change at the hotel. They are the only ones that will rip you off.
- Taiwan has too many (over 30) banks, so the network of ATM's is very dense.
There are only a few rural ATM's that don't have any English.
- Final note: I've never been cheated on exchange rate (or anything else) in 
Taiwan
and people are more than helpful here.

Safe travels!
Thomas

Re: DC18 - Currency

[Milan Kupcevic]

Adrian,

You are arguing with an AI ChatBot/MailBot. It is getting harder to
recognize them, but still possible.

Milan



On 07/17/2018 01:46 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Are we talking about exchanging cash or withdrawing money from the ATM?
> 
> I am asking because the later can be clearly looked up on the internet.
> 
> Google tells you how much “X USD in NTD” are and your bank will tell you
> how much they will charge you for withdrawing money abroad. It’s a
> bank-specific fee with the rare occasion that the ATM owner will charge
> an extra fee.
> 
> Adrian
> 
> On Jul 17, 2018, at 7:27 PM, Peter van Summeren
> mailto:peter_van_summe...@hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Paulo Henrique,
>> No, it doesn't answer your question because my experiece is that I
>> have to pay the exchange rate at that time (which I can not check) +
>> some fixed  fee to my bank home (in case of Mastercard)
>> I take it as it is. I always get less then it should be. I exchange at
>> places where many use the atm.
>> So sorry.
>> With friendly greetings ,
>> Peter van Summeren
>>
>>
>> Outlook voor Android  downloaden
>>
>> 
>> *From:* John Paul Adrian Glaubitz > >
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:03:37 PM
>> *To:* Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
>> *Cc:* debconf-discuss
>> *Subject:* Re: DC18 - Currency
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
>> mailto:p...@softwarelivre.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> - Mensagem original -
 De: "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" >>> >

 Unless you don't have a VISA card or your bank has very bad conditions
 for using an ATM abroad, exchanging cash at the airport doesn't make
 much sense.
>>>
>>> Thanks, but this doesn't answer my question about exchange rate at
>>> airport.
>>
>> You can try to give them a call:
>>
>> > 
>> >https://www.taoyuan-airport.com/english/store3_detail/Bank%20Of%20Taiwan%20(24%20hours%20Currency%20Exchange)
>>
>> Adrian




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Re: DebConf18: Call for keys for keysigning in Hsinchu, Taiwan

[Gunnar Wolf]

Roger Shimizu dijo [Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 09:35:27PM +0900]:
> Thanks for organizing this keysigning event, every year!
> 
> However, I find the guide a bit outdated.
> (...)
> 
> Maybe we can discuss how to improve this during my stay in DebCamp / DebConf.

Yes, it clearly is. I'm sorry, I had a whole lot of things to juggle
during the past few weeks, and am only now being able to get out from
under the mountain. I have a couple of days to catch up with the world
before rushing out to the conference!

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[Bdale Garbee]

John Paul Adrian Glaubitz  writes:

>> Expect no help from the counter.
> Just find an ATM with the VISA logo.

As someone with extensive travel experience, I can say it's not quite
that simple.  In a number of countries I've visited, there have been
ATMs with the VISA logo that would not work with a card issued in some
other country.  My experience is that most hotel and restaurant
reception personnel can tell you where and how to find the nearest ATM
that can handle international cards.  The ATMs in places like airports
and train stations are good bets if you don't have someone handy to ask,
and it's often a clue if there is extensive alternate language support
in the user interface, but I've learned that even in some EU countries,
not all ATMs in all train stations will take VISA cards from the USA.

Regards,

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[Peter van Summeren]

Hello Paulo Henrique,
No, it doesn't answer your question because my experiece is that I have to pay 
the exchange rate at that time (which I can not check) + some fixed  fee to my 
bank home (in case of Mastercard)
I take it as it is. I always get less then it should be. I exchange at places 
where many use the atm.
So sorry.
With friendly greetings ,
Peter van Summeren


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From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:03:37 PM
To: Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
Cc: debconf-discuss
Subject: Re: DC18 - Currency



On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana 
mailto:p...@softwarelivre.org>> wrote:

- Mensagem original -
De: "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" 
mailto:glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de>>

Unless you don't have a VISA card or your bank has very bad conditions
for using an ATM abroad, exchanging cash at the airport doesn't make
much sense.

Thanks, but this doesn't answer my question about exchange rate at airport.

You can try to give them a call:

> https://www.taoyuan-airport.com/english/store3_detail/Bank%20Of%20Taiwan%20(24%20hours%20Currency%20Exchange)

Adrian

Re: DC18 - Currency

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

Are we talking about exchanging cash or withdrawing money from the ATM?

I am asking because the later can be clearly looked up on the internet.

Google tells you how much “X USD in NTD” are and your bank will tell you how 
much they will charge you for withdrawing money abroad. It’s a bank-specific 
fee with the rare occasion that the ATM owner will charge an extra fee.

Adrian

> On Jul 17, 2018, at 7:27 PM, Peter van Summeren 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Paulo Henrique,
> No, it doesn't answer your question because my experiece is that I have to 
> pay the exchange rate at that time (which I can not check) + some fixed  fee 
> to my bank home (in case of Mastercard)
> I take it as it is. I always get less then it should be. I exchange at places 
> where many use the atm.
> So sorry.
> With friendly greetings ,
> Peter van Summeren
> 
> 
> Outlook voor Android downloaden
> 
> From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 7:03:37 PM
> To: Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
> Cc: debconf-discuss
> Subject: Re: DC18 - Currency
>  
> 
> 
> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana 
>  wrote:
> 
>> - Mensagem original -
>>> De: "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" 
>>> 
>>> Unless you don't have a VISA card or your bank has very bad conditions
>>> for using an ATM abroad, exchanging cash at the airport doesn't make
>>> much sense.
>> 
>> Thanks, but this doesn't answer my question about exchange rate at airport.
> 
> You can try to give them a call:
> 
> > https://www.taoyuan-airport.com/english/store3_detail/Bank%20Of%20Taiwan%20(24%20hours%20Currency%20Exchange)
> 
> Adrian

Re: DC18 - Currency

[Peter van Summeren]

I could use my MasterCard with atm's. You have to go to the ones used by the 
public.
I also took cash with me for emergency.
For Taiwan there is another brand of Visa.
This kind of card is used by americans.
Ask your bank at home.
(My Visa card did not work at all banks)
Expect no help from the counter.
With friendly greetings,
Peter van Summeren

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From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 5:19:20 PM
To: Samuel Henrique; po...@debian.org
Cc: debconf-discuss@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: DC18 - Currency

On 07/17/2018 05:14 PM, Samuel Henrique wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 at 12:12, Louis-Philippe Véronneau  > wrote:
>
> My visa card was accepted in the ATM at the airport and I took out money
> that way. Normally it's the cheapest way to get local currency.
>
>
> I think Paulo means the exchange rate of NTD at the airport.

Unless you don't have a VISA card or your bank has very bad conditions
for using an ATM abroad, exchanging cash at the airport doesn't make
much sense.

I have been in Taiwan in 2016 and I could just use my VISA at Kaohsiung
port terminal to withdraw enough money for my stay without any additional
fees. They also sold SIM cards there at ridiculously low prices with
unlimited internet for 5 days for something like 600 NTD.

Adrian

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana]

Hi Peter,

- Mensagem original -
> De: "Peter van Summeren" 
> Para: "Paulo Henrique" , "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" 
> 
> Cc: "debconf-discuss" 
> Enviadas: Terça-feira, 17 de julho de 2018 14:27:47
> Assunto: Re: DC18 - Currency

> Hello Paulo Henrique,
> No, it doesn't answer your question because my experiece is that I have to pay
> the exchange rate at that time (which I can not check) + some fixed  fee to my
> bank home (in case of Mastercard)
> I take it as it is. I always get less then it should be. I exchange at places
> where many use the atm.
> So sorry.

No problem, thanks for sharing your experience about that.

Best regards,

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

> On Jul 17, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana 
>  wrote:
> 
> - Mensagem original -
>> De: "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" 
>> 
>> Unless you don't have a VISA card or your bank has very bad conditions
>> for using an ATM abroad, exchanging cash at the airport doesn't make
>> much sense.
> 
> Thanks, but this doesn't answer my question about exchange rate at airport.

You can try to give them a call:

> https://www.taoyuan-airport.com/english/store3_detail/Bank%20Of%20Taiwan%20(24%20hours%20Currency%20Exchange)

Adrian

Re: DC18 - Currency

[Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana]

- Mensagem original -
> De: "John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" 
>
> Unless you don't have a VISA card or your bank has very bad conditions
> for using an ATM abroad, exchanging cash at the airport doesn't make
> much sense.

Thanks, but this doesn't answer my question about exchange rate at airport.

Best regards

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 07/17/2018 06:23 PM, Peter van Summeren wrote:
> You are so sure.

Yes, quite sure since I am actually traveling a lot and
never had to bring any cash in advance in the past 10
to 15 years. My VISA cards always worked.

> What shall I tell you? Forget it.

I was merely asking what kind of VISA you were talking about
when you said "American kind"? Maybe you are confusing VISA
with a regular Dutch banking card (Maestro)?

VISA and MasterCard are normally accepted world-wide (except
for a few merchants as mentioned before; ATMs always worked
for me), national bank cards like Maestro or the German
"ec-Karte" are not or are very limited.

Adrian

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[Peter van Summeren]

You are so sure.
What shall I tell you? Forget it.
With friendly greetings
Peter van Summeren


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From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 6:15:01 PM
To: Peter van Summeren; Samuel Henrique; po...@debian.org
Cc: debconf-discuss@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: DC18 - Currency

On 07/17/2018 06:09 PM, Peter van Summeren wrote:
> I could use my MasterCard with atm's. You have to go to the ones used by the 
> public.
> I also took cash with me for emergency.
> For Taiwan there is another brand of Visa.

What kind of brand should that be? VISA should be VISA, there
is no difference. There can be some merchants though that limit
the acceptance of VISA cards to a certain country. I made this
experience in Japan, for example, when buying from Yahoo Japan
which accepts Japanese VISA cards only.

> This kind of card is used by americans.

Pretty sure that's the standard VISA card.

> Ask your bank at home.
> (My Visa card did not work at all banks)

That might be because these banks did not support VISA at all.
I have been to banks in Japan which would take cards from their
own customers only, but I just got cash from 7-11's ATMs.

> Expect no help from the counter.
Just find an ATM with the VISA logo.

Adrian

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 07/17/2018 06:09 PM, Peter van Summeren wrote:
> I could use my MasterCard with atm's. You have to go to the ones used by the 
> public.
> I also took cash with me for emergency.
> For Taiwan there is another brand of Visa.

What kind of brand should that be? VISA should be VISA, there
is no difference. There can be some merchants though that limit
the acceptance of VISA cards to a certain country. I made this
experience in Japan, for example, when buying from Yahoo Japan
which accepts Japanese VISA cards only.

> This kind of card is used by americans.

Pretty sure that's the standard VISA card.

> Ask your bank at home.
> (My Visa card did not work at all banks)

That might be because these banks did not support VISA at all.
I have been to banks in Japan which would take cards from their
own customers only, but I just got cash from 7-11's ATMs.

> Expect no help from the counter.
Just find an ATM with the VISA logo.

Adrian

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[John Paul Adrian Glaubitz]

On 07/17/2018 05:14 PM, Samuel Henrique wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 at 12:12, Louis-Philippe Véronneau  > wrote:
> 
> My visa card was accepted in the ATM at the airport and I took out money
> that way. Normally it's the cheapest way to get local currency.
> 
> 
> I think Paulo means the exchange rate of NTD at the airport.

Unless you don't have a VISA card or your bank has very bad conditions
for using an ATM abroad, exchanging cash at the airport doesn't make
much sense.

I have been in Taiwan in 2016 and I could just use my VISA at Kaohsiung
port terminal to withdraw enough money for my stay without any additional
fees. They also sold SIM cards there at ridiculously low prices with
unlimited internet for 5 days for something like 600 NTD.

Adrian

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[Samuel Henrique]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 at 12:12, Louis-Philippe Véronneau 
wrote:

> My visa card was accepted in the ATM at the airport and I took out money
> that way. Normally it's the cheapest way to get local currency.
>

I think Paulo means the exchange rate of NTD at the airport.

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Re: DC18 - Currency

[Louis-Philippe Véronneau]

My visa card was accepted in the ATM at the airport and I took out money
that way. Normally it's the cheapest way to get local currency.

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On 2018-07-17 23:07, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Could you please ask at Taoyuan Airport Bank Of Taiwan what is the currency 
> there?
> I know the official currency is USD 1$ = TWD 30.476. But usually in airports 
> the currency is higher.
> 
> Best regards,
> 



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DC18 - Currency

[Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana]

Hi,

Could you please ask at Taoyuan Airport Bank Of Taiwan what is the currency 
there?
I know the official currency is USD 1$ = TWD 30.476. But usually in airports 
the currency is higher.

Best regards,

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Re: DebConf18: Call for keys for keysigning in Hsinchu, Taiwan

[Sean Whitton]

Hello,

On Mon 16 Jul 2018 at 09:35pm +0900, Roger Shimizu wrote:

> Thanks for organizing this keysigning event, every year!

Ditto.

> However, I find the guide a bit outdated.
>
> - It mentions "OpenPGP Best Practices", but the document declare
> itself outdated, which was written for GnuPG 1.4. [0]
>   The updated document, which is for GnuPG 2.1,  is still on-going status[1].
>   I think many of us have already migrated to GnuPG 2.1, which is
> default since Stretch. so it's worth being noted this.
>
> - It recommends hopenpgp-tools for key checking, but it cannot work
> well with GnuPG 2.1 [2].

Indeed, but it's quite easy to work around this, something like:

  gpg --keyring ~/.gnupg/pubring.gpg --export 0x

and then run hopenpgp-tools.

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Re: Sending out mails with caff (Was: DebConf18: Call for keys for keysigning in Hsinchu, Taiwan)

[Alex Muntada]

Hi Guilhem,

> AFAIK the ‘smtps’ method calls Net::SMTP::SSL and Mail::Mailer
> doesn't interface with Net::SMTPS.

This matches my setup, I have libnet-smtp-ssl-perl installed
and libnet-smtps-perl is absent.

> Net::SMTP (which is a core module) can do SMTP over SSL (thereby
> deprecating Net::SMTP::SSL) and also issue STARTTLS since v1.28.
> [...]
> In principle replacing ‘SSL => 1’ with ‘STARTTLS => 1’ would
> work for STARTTLS, but unfortunately Mail::Mailer doesn't expose
> this yet.  I guess I should file a bug as it's really a 3 lines
> patch :-)

That would be cool :) Thanks for taking care of caff!

Cheers,
Alex

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