Re: Travel to Floripa after DebConf
On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 21:24:28 -0300, Pablo Mestre wrote: > If you dont find any other option Catarinense is a good bus line to go there > https://www.clickbus.com.br/onibus/curitiba-pr/florianopolis-sc?departureDate=2019-07-28 Thanks, we managed to book a bus ticket in the meantime :) > Floripa is amazing, if need some information let me know. If you have any specific recommendation we're always happy to hear them. Cheers, gregor -- .''`. https://info.comodo.priv.at -- Debian Developer https://www.debian.org : :' : OpenPGP fingerprint D1E1 316E 93A7 60A8 104D 85FA BB3A 6801 8649 AA06 `. `' Member VIBE!AT & SPI Inc. -- Supporter Free Software Foundation Europe `- signature.asc Description: Digital Signature
Re: Travel to Floripa after DebConf
hi david, you can go easly by bus. it cost from 50br, it takes ca. 5 h, there r planty of buses, you can c at busbud.com https://www.busbud.com/en/bus-schedules-results/6gkzqg/6gj7p0?outbound_date=2019-07-28=1 but you dont need to buy online, you can go to bus station and buy there, the station is 1km away from hotel. greets jana Am 25.07.19 um 19:36 schrieb David Bremner: > > Gregoa and I would like to travel to Florianópolis on Sunday July 28. > > If someone is going by car and has room for two people with not too much > luggage, we'd be happy to share costs for gas (or whatever). > > We'd also be grateful for hints and recommendations about taking the bus > from from Curitiba to Floripa. > > David > >
Re: Latin America y Caribe Meeting
On 27/07/2019 16:29, Santiago Ruano Rincón wrote: > El 24/07/19 a las 22:58, drebs escribió: >> >> Hello, some people suggested to gather people to talk latin america and >> caribe, so we schedule a time for that: >> >> Thursday 25th at 13:30 in room A102. >> >> This is an opportunity we have to, among other things: >> >> Meet each other and strengthen contacts. >> Share community practices and events. >> Talks about a shared latin-american-caribean Mini DebConf >> Local needs related to Debian in general. >> >> https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/162-latin-america-y-caribe-meeting/ >> > > For those not following #debian-latam (yet ;)), now we have a mailing > list request: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=933225 > Hi Santiago, Thanks a lot for telling us! Regards Jathan -- Por favor evita enviarme adjuntos en formato de word o powerpoint, si quieres saber porque lee esto: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.es.html ¡Cámbiate a GNU/Linux! http://getgnulinux.org/es
Travel to Floripa after DebConf
Gregoa and I would like to travel to Florianópolis on Sunday July 28. If someone is going by car and has room for two people with not too much luggage, we'd be happy to share costs for gas (or whatever). We'd also be grateful for hints and recommendations about taking the bus from from Curitiba to Floripa. David
Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session
On 2019-07-27 15:01 -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Wookey dijo [Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 08:37:57PM +0100]: > Boycotting a DebConf in Israel should have been > done by the interested people when it was still at the bidding level - > It would have not been nice, but it would have been ... Fair. Agreed. But first I heard of this was the anouncement so I wasn't able to to make the point at that time. That's no doubt mostly my own fault for not being on whatever is the right mailing-list, or for not travelling to the relevant debconf. But I am surprised that whoever it does make these choices made this one. I gather that, somewhat ironically, 'closer to Europe' (something I do agree with - it's been 5 years) was part of the decision process, but of course that's not much use for Europeans with the decency not go to Israel: in fact it's worse because now we've nominally ticked 'Europe' for a while again, disadvantaging those Europeans with morals (i.e. acceptable carbon footprints) still further. > Pushing for this political stance now, when our friends have been > working on rearranging their life objectives for the whole year is > just not right. I am quite heartfelt and saddened. I'm sorry that Tzafrir and co are in this awkward position. And yes, unless the Lisbon or India teams are going to leap up and heroically save us from our own dubious choices at the last moment, then I agree it's too late to change now. Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Latin America y Caribe Meeting
Il 27/07/19 18:29, Santiago Ruano Rincón ha scritto: > For those not following #debian-latam (yet ;)) OMG, at first I though it was about the airline company which hopefully will deliver me back to Europe without changing destination as it did while flying in... Gio. -- Giovanni Mascellani Postdoc researcher - Université Libre de Bruxelles signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session
Wookey dijo [Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 08:37:57PM +0100]: > Perhaps so, but a big part of the difficulty round this issue is > people calling things which aren't (like thinking the settler movement > is deeply unjust) 'anti-semitic'. It makes it almost impossible to have > a sensible conversation around the subject. > > Boycotting Israel, or at least settlers, seems sensible to me for the > same reasons that it was sensible against South Africa. And holding > debconf there seems like a bad plan for the same reason that a lot of > bands got abuse for playing Sin City in the 1980s. The example you present is quite good - Many people inside Israel boycott the settler movement. Zionists towards the left of the political spectrum very often do. But I wish to bring this what I consider an _important_ step beyond that: While having DebConf at country X will quite probably benefit said country (if for nothing else, for the tourism-related expenses we do... although many of us are lousy, cheap tourists), its impact is negligible. But the effort that has been put -and that remains to be put- in organizing the conference by some very specific members of our community, by people that have been close to us, whom we have interacted with. Running a DebConf means putting your soul into the project for a year, and quite probably taking a nontrivial financial hit, because you will be catering for a group of geeks instead of doing proper work. This is the main point I argue. Having been part of the organizing team for DebConf and for other international conferences in Mexico, I am more than aware how the "drugs-gangs-bad hombres" security scare dampens our efforts. Boycotting a DebConf in Israel should have been done by the interested people when it was still at the bidding level - It would have not been nice, but it would have been ... Fair. Pushing for this political stance now, when our friends have been working on rearranging their life objectives for the whole year is just not right. I am quite heartfelt and saddened. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Anyone who could make use of Argentinian money?
On 19-07-27 17:11:54, Georg Faerber wrote: > I've got a bit Argentinian money left, and I'm happy to give it to > whoever could make use of it. Found someone.
Anyone who could make use of Argentinian money?
Hi all, I've got a bit Argentinian money left, and I'm happy to give it to whoever could make use of it. Let me know, cheers, Georg
Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session
On Sat, 2019-07-27 at 09:07 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Jul 27, 2019 at 10:21:18AM +0200, Ansgar wrote: > > + > > > We need to have an open discussion about the political message that > > > this project decision sends, and how it affects the people within > > > our community who support the BDS (Boycott, Disinvestment, > > > Sanctions) movement against the policies of the Israeli Government, > > > all the while reiterating our support to the individual members of > > > the local organizing team, who are our peers in Debian. > > > > > > A campaign has been brewing for a few weeks, calling on the DebConf > > > Committee and the Debian Community to rescind the decision of > > > holding the project’s yearly conference in Israel. > > + > > The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we > > care about it? > > Because the defenders of Israel's racist and genocidal policies describe > everyone that opposes them as antisemitic as a means of shutting down > legitimate criticism, and therefore something being "widely described" as > antisemitic tells you nothing about whether it is antisemitic, only about > whether it opposes some policy of the Israeli state. The previous discussion on debconf-discuss@ gave me enough context; it pretty much looks like the antisemitic case here. See also the quote that was in my original mail; if that's what you want to defend... Ansgar
Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session
On Sat, 2019-07-27 at 08:27 -0400, micah anderson wrote: > Ansgar writes: > The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we > > care about it? > > No, it is not widely described as antisemitic, it is anti-zionist. There > is a difference. BDS is widely described as antisemitic even when you care about some difference. Ansgar
Re: Diversity Postcards at frontdesk
gregor herrmann writes: > On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:53:11 -0300, John Sullivan wrote: > >> Nice! I liked getting the postcard at the dinner last night too. Any >> tips about mailing them? So far when I search for post office, they seem >> to be a bit far away. Is there something close? > > The closes Correios is at > R. João Negrão, 1251 - Rebouças, Curitiba > -25.439074, -49.261877 > which is roughly two block east and two blocks south from the hotel. > > (The other one, closer to the city center, at > R. Mal. Deodoro, 298 - Centro, Curitiba > -25.431342, -49.269055 > is a few blocks roughly to the north.) Thank you! I see that I waited too long though, they look not open till Monday. -john
Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session
Ansgar writes: > On Fri, 2019-07-26 at 19:18 -0300, Jonathan Carter wrote: >> Tomorrow morning in "Sala de Videoconferencia", there will be an open >> discussion regarding political concerns around holding DebConf20 in >> Israel. Everyone at DebConf is welcome to join this session. >> >> Read the full description on the DC19 website for more details >> : >> "Let's talk about the elephant in the room": >> https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/173-lets-talk-about-the-elephant-in- >> the-room/ > >>From that page: > > + > | We need to have an open discussion about the political message that > | this project decision sends, and how it affects the people within > | our community who support the BDS (Boycott, Disinvestment, > | Sanctions) movement against the policies of the Israeli Government, > | all the while reiterating our support to the individual members of > | the local organizing team, who are our peers in Debian. > | > | A campaign has been brewing for a few weeks, calling on the DebConf > | Committee and the Debian Community to rescind the decision of > | holding the project’s yearly conference in Israel. > + > > The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we > care about it? No, it is not widely described as antisemitic, it is anti-zionist. There is a difference. -- micah
Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session
On 27.7.2019 11:21, Ansgar wrote:
The
BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we
care about it?
To be very honest: if people suggest to kick out people for not
agreeing with same-sex marriage, but apparently care about accomodate
antisemitic movements, that also sends a political message. One that I
don't like very much.
Given that the thread on -discuss that started it had such "fun"
allegations such as
+--
| Any DD who lives in Israel is a direct contributor financially and
| morally to apartheid and genocide against the Palestinian people.
| [...]
| There is no such thing as an innocent Israeli just like there is no
| such thing as a innocent Nazi.
+--[ https://lists.debian.org/debconf-discuss/2019/03/msg00041.html ]
did not really improve my view on the group asking for this... (It
rather contributed to the description of BDS as antisemitic.)
Does it really need a discussion to say "no" to this?
Hi Ansgar,
I spend a lot of my spare time (such that I have any) on online
communities discussing those allegations. I think I have some
familiarity with the type of, for lack of a better word,
discussion that is expected.
Don't get me wrong, the antisemitic allegations against BDS are
the least of the problems this movement has. It has gone to quite
great lengths to put up a veil of plausible deniability about that
one ("we're not antisemitic. We just advocate giving the
Palestinian refugees a basic human right that no other refugee in
the world enjoys, and that will de-facto result in the elimination
of Israel").
What it does advertise, quite clearly, is that it is a movement
that aims to recruit the progressives to unironically support
collective punishment, a clearly anti-progressive goal.
And yet, despite all of that, I think having this discussion
openly is better than denying the venue. If people won't listen
then they won't listen, but I feel my moral ground is solid enough
to not be afraid to stand up and defend it.
I will be connecting remotely to the session.
Shachar
Re: [DebConf Scedule change] "Let's talk about the elephant in the room" DebConf20 in Israel session
On Fri, 2019-07-26 at 19:18 -0300, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Tomorrow morning in "Sala de Videoconferencia", there will be an open > discussion regarding political concerns around holding DebConf20 in > Israel. Everyone at DebConf is welcome to join this session. > > Read the full description on the DC19 website for more details > : > "Let's talk about the elephant in the room": > https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/173-lets-talk-about-the-elephant-in- > the-room/ >From that page: + | We need to have an open discussion about the political message that | this project decision sends, and how it affects the people within | our community who support the BDS (Boycott, Disinvestment, | Sanctions) movement against the policies of the Israeli Government, | all the while reiterating our support to the individual members of | the local organizing team, who are our peers in Debian. | | A campaign has been brewing for a few weeks, calling on the DebConf | Committee and the Debian Community to rescind the decision of | holding the project’s yearly conference in Israel. + The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should we care about it? To be very honest: if people suggest to kick out people for not agreeing with same-sex marriage, but apparently care about accomodate antisemitic movements, that also sends a political message. One that I don't like very much. Given that the thread on -discuss that started it had such "fun" allegations such as +-- | Any DD who lives in Israel is a direct contributor financially and | morally to apartheid and genocide against the Palestinian people. | [...] | There is no such thing as an innocent Israeli just like there is no | such thing as a innocent Nazi. +--[ https://lists.debian.org/debconf-discuss/2019/03/msg00041.html ] did not really improve my view on the group asking for this... (It rather contributed to the description of BDS as antisemitic.) Does it really need a discussion to say "no" to this? Ansgar
