On 27.7.2019 11:21, Ansgar wrote:
The BDS movement is widely described as antisemitic. Why should wecare about it? To be very honest: if people suggest to kick out people for not agreeing with same-sex marriage, but apparently care about accomodate antisemitic movements, that also sends a political message. One that I don't like very much.Given that the thread on -discuss that started it had such "fun" allegations such as +------------------------------------------------------------------ | Any DD who lives in Israel is a direct contributor financially and | morally to apartheid and genocide against the Palestinian people. | [...] | There is no such thing as an innocent Israeli just like there is no | such thing as a innocent Nazi. +--[ https://lists.debian.org/debconf-discuss/2019/03/msg00041.html ] did not really improve my view on the group asking for this... (It rather contributed to the description of BDS as antisemitic.) Does it really need a discussion to say "no" to this? Hi Ansgar,
I spend a lot of my spare time (such that I have any) on online
communities discussing those allegations. I think I have some
familiarity with the type of, for lack of a better word,
discussion that is expected.
Don't get me wrong, the antisemitic allegations against BDS are the least of the problems this movement has. It has gone to quite great lengths to put up a veil of plausible deniability about that one ("we're not antisemitic. We just advocate giving the Palestinian refugees a basic human right that no other refugee in the world enjoys, and that will de-facto result in the elimination of Israel").
What it does advertise, quite clearly, is that it is a movement
that aims to recruit the progressives to unironically support
collective punishment, a clearly anti-progressive goal.
And yet, despite all of that, I think having this discussion openly is better than denying the venue. If people won't listen then they won't listen, but I feel my moral ground is solid enough to not be afraid to stand up and defend it.
I will be connecting remotely to the session.
Shachar |
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