Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
Quoting Enrico Zini (2022-03-21 19:38:43) > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 07:19:30PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > Seems the train from Munich to Rome does not run in July 2022, > > according to notice at https://www.nightjet.com/en/ (appearing only > > after selecting departure and destination). > > > > An option seems to be night train Munich -> Zagreb, then trains via > > Belgrade and Skopje to Pristina, and finally a bus to Prizren. > > Other options worth looking into: > > * Train from Munich to Bologna (managed by Deutsche Bahn, so one can > book from Germany straight to Bologna with guaranteed connections) > > followed by: > > * Train from Bologna to Bari (there are frequent direct connections) > (less ferry, more train) > > or > > * Train from Bologna to Ancona, then ferry from Ancona to Durres (less > train, more ferry) There are trains by day to Italy indeed. Thanks, Enrico! Since I depart from further away than a one-day train journey, I am chasing routes involving at least one night train (but didn't mention - sorry!). Night trains are more expensive, and slower than many trains by day, but likely cheaper than alternative accomodation (except obviously couchsurfing). I just learned that several night trains are operated within Italy, including one between Bologna and Bari. Night train routes in Italy are listed at https://rail.cc/train-type/intercitynotte/322 and timetable is at https://www.italiarail.com/ (confusingly it seems you need to first do a simple search, then _afterwards_ tick a box for "Overnight" at the right side to reveal night train options). - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature
Re: Train via Italy (was: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements)
On 2022-03-22 19:51, Enrico Zini wrote: > I do not mean the Austrian NightJet, I mean EC81 or EC87 from Deutsche > Bahn, which start in München and end in Bologna Centrale. Oh, I see! Yes, that's an option, too!
Re: Train via Italy (was: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements)
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 06:00:13PM +, Martin wrote: > I'm not sure, if the Austrain Nightjet works in July. It is the same to > Bologna as to Roma, from Munich, NJ 295. I do not mean the Austrian NightJet, I mean EC81 or EC87 from Deutsche Bahn, which start in München and end in Bologna Centrale. I just checked and Deutsche Bahn is selling tickets on that train for July. Being a DB train you can get it with a BahnCard discount, and you can get it as part of a DB ticket from Berlin to Bologna with one change in München, with DB ReiseZentrum happy to help you out in case for some reason you can't make the connection. Enrico -- GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini
Train via Italy (was: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements)
On 2022-03-21 19:38, Enrico Zini wrote: > * Train from Munich to Bologna (managed by Deutsche Bahn, so one can > book from Germany straight to Bologna with guaranteed connections) I'm not sure, if the Austrain Nightjet works in July. It is the same to Bologna as to Roma, from Munich, NJ 295. Alternatively, there is a Nightjet NJ 40463 from Munich to Venezia, then from Venezia via Bologna to Bari. Let's see...
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
Martin dijo [Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 11:04:04AM +]: > That's exactly what I plan to do: HS train to Munich, wagon-lit to Rome, > regional train to Bari, ferry to Durrës, bus to Prizren. The much > cheaper and faster alternative is a direct flight from my home village, > but it is too expensive in terms of carbon emission. Maybe we meet in > Rome or Bari — their street pasta is famous :-) I had already decided not to do any transatlantic flights during this year, mostly because I have an internationally unsupported set of vaccines (chinese CanSino and USA Moderna). But... I cannot say I am not considering it over and over (and over and over...). It is quite possible I will appear somewhere in Europe; so far, I think the most convenient route is air trip to Tirana (of course, with a plane change somewher in Central Europe) and bus from there...
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 07:19:30PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Seems the train from Munich to Rome does not run in July 2022, according > to notice at https://www.nightjet.com/en/ (appearing only after > selecting departure and destination). > > An option seems to be night train Munich -> Zagreb, then trains via > Belgrade and Skopje to Pristina, and finally a bus to Prizren. Other options worth looking into: * Train from Munich to Bologna (managed by Deutsche Bahn, so one can book from Germany straight to Bologna with guaranteed connections) followed by: * Train from Bologna to Bari (there are frequent direct connections) (less ferry, more train) or * Train from Bologna to Ancona, then ferry from Ancona to Durres (less train, more ferry) Enrico -- GPG key: 4096R/634F4BD1E7AD5568 2009-05-08 Enrico Zini signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
Quoting Martin (2022-03-21 12:04:04) > On 2022-03-20 23:03, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > If it's too complicated, another option is to go south in Italy, and > > take a boat from Bari to Durres in Albania, in which case we would > > only cross Albania. But we would then miss the nice Croatia sea > > views... > > That's exactly what I plan to do: HS train to Munich, wagon-lit to > Rome, regional train to Bari, ferry to Durrës, bus to Prizren. The > much cheaper and faster alternative is a direct flight from my home > village, but it is too expensive in terms of carbon emission. Maybe we > meet in Rome or Bari — their street pasta is famous :-) Seems the train from Munich to Rome does not run in July 2022, according to notice at https://www.nightjet.com/en/ (appearing only after selecting departure and destination). An option seems to be night train Munich -> Zagreb, then trains via Belgrade and Skopje to Pristina, and finally a bus to Prizren. - Jonas -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private signature.asc Description: signature
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 11:33:56AM +, Wookey wrote: >On 2022-03-20 23:03 +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> I probably will drive from France (next to Geneva) to Prizen, because it may >> be cheaper and easier this way (compared to fligh + rent a car, and since >> I'm planning to come with all of my family). > >Apologies for thread-hijacking, but I was also considering driving >(from the UK, with my wife, mostly to have a 2-3 week camper holiday >in the area around debconf (and get stuff to Austria for an >expedition)), and have a similar question. People with >country-specific expertise may be able to answer both visa and covid >regs aspects. > >It's about 9 countries and we are somewhat concerned that every country >will have different covid rules and there might be significant risk >of getting 'stuck' for a week or 10 days at a border with a failed >covid test which would rater spoil the excercise. > >Obviously these things are subject to change and _might_ have all gone >away by mid 2022, but then I thought that about a year ago too... > >Has anyone (e.g. you Thomas?) looked at the rules for tests and entry >etc for any of UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Slovenia, >Croatia, B, Kosovo, Serbia, Albania? Is this actually a bad plan for >this year and best left for some other time? I'm also pondering about a (separate) road trip from the UK, heading down to Italy and then across on the ferry to Albania: https://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2022#Driving That will likely take about the same time, cost a little more but also avoid quite so many different countries for the covid/visa/etc. rules. I've not yet started looking in details at those rules, but I *hope* by this summer that covid rules will be much easier within Europe at least. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com You raise the blade, you make the change... You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane...
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 14:30:15 +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 3/21/22 12:33, Wookey wrote: > > Has anyone (e.g. you Thomas?) looked at the rules for tests and entry > > etc for any of UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Slovenia, > > Croatia, B, Kosovo, Serbia, Albania? Is this actually a bad plan for > > this year and best left for some other time? > Doing the Covid restriction search was next on my todo list. https://reopen.europa.eu/en has an overview of COVID-19 regulations for all EU countries. So this leaves only Kosovo and its neighbouring countries which are mentioned at https://debconf22.debconf.org/about/travel-through-neighbours/ Cheers, gregor -- .''`. https://info.comodo.priv.at -- Debian Developer https://www.debian.org : :' : OpenPGP fingerprint D1E1 316E 93A7 60A8 104D 85FA BB3A 6801 8649 AA06 `. `' Member VIBE!AT & SPI Inc. -- Supporter Free Software Foundation Europe `- BOFH excuse #111: The salesman drove over the CPU board.
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
On 3/21/22 12:33, Wookey wrote: On 2022-03-20 23:03 +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: I probably will drive from France (next to Geneva) to Prizen, because it may be cheaper and easier this way (compared to fligh + rent a car, and since I'm planning to come with all of my family). Apologies for thread-hijacking, but I was also considering driving (from the UK, with my wife, mostly to have a 2-3 week camper holiday in the area around debconf (and get stuff to Austria for an expedition)), and have a similar question. People with country-specific expertise may be able to answer both visa and covid regs aspects. It's about 9 countries and we are somewhat concerned that every country will have different covid rules and there might be significant risk of getting 'stuck' for a week or 10 days at a border with a failed covid test which would rater spoil the excercise. Obviously these things are subject to change and _might_ have all gone away by mid 2022, but then I thought that about a year ago too... Has anyone (e.g. you Thomas?) looked at the rules for tests and entry etc for any of UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, B, Kosovo, Serbia, Albania? Is this actually a bad plan for this year and best left for some other time? Wookey Hi Wookey, Doing the Covid restriction search was next on my todo list. I don't think you need to fear anything *FOR THE MOMENT* in France: all restrictions have been lifted, and the only place you need a covid pass is the hospital (and if you don't have one, they can test you on site). I'll soon ask my colleague for Italy (he is Italian) and let you know. Cheers, Thomas Goirand
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
Hi, > Has anyone (e.g. you Thomas?) looked at the rules for tests and entry > etc for any of UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Slovenia, > Croatia, B, Kosovo, Serbia, Albania? Is this actually a bad plan for > this year and best left for some other time? > > Here is COVID-19 info regarding Kosovo. https://debconf22.debconf.org/about/covid19/ In that page there is linked info about neighbouring countries: https://debconf22.debconf.org/about/travel-through-neighbours/ I will leave someone else to answer about other European countries. Kind regards, Enkelena
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
On 2022-03-20 23:03 +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: > I probably will drive from France (next to Geneva) to Prizen, because it may > be cheaper and easier this way (compared to fligh + rent a car, and since > I'm planning to come with all of my family). Apologies for thread-hijacking, but I was also considering driving (from the UK, with my wife, mostly to have a 2-3 week camper holiday in the area around debconf (and get stuff to Austria for an expedition)), and have a similar question. People with country-specific expertise may be able to answer both visa and covid regs aspects. It's about 9 countries and we are somewhat concerned that every country will have different covid rules and there might be significant risk of getting 'stuck' for a week or 10 days at a border with a failed covid test which would rater spoil the excercise. Obviously these things are subject to change and _might_ have all gone away by mid 2022, but then I thought that about a year ago too... Has anyone (e.g. you Thomas?) looked at the rules for tests and entry etc for any of UK, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, B, Kosovo, Serbia, Albania? Is this actually a bad plan for this year and best left for some other time? Wookey -- Principal hats: Debian, Wookware, ARM http://wookware.org/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
On 2022-03-20 23:03, Thomas Goirand wrote: > If it's too complicated, another option is to go south in Italy, and > take a boat from Bari to Durres in Albania, in which case we would > only cross Albania. But we would then miss the nice Croatia sea > views... That's exactly what I plan to do: HS train to Munich, wagon-lit to Rome, regional train to Bari, ferry to Durrës, bus to Prizren. The much cheaper and faster alternative is a direct flight from my home village, but it is too expensive in terms of carbon emission. Maybe we meet in Rome or Bari — their street pasta is famous :-)
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
Yes, as Christoph said, your wife is set for the Kosovo visa as well if she only wants to stay for 15 days. In the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Kosovo it says: "Visa is not required for citizens of any country with a valid multiple entry Schengen visa or a valid biometric residence permit from a Schengen State. They may stay in Kosovo for 15 days." Also the MFAD website says "- Citizens of the countries which are required to obtain a visa for Kosovo but hold a biometric valid residence permit issued by one of the Schengen member states or a valid multi-entry Schengen Visa are exempt from the requirement to obtain a Visa to enter, transit, or stay in the territory of the Republic of Kosovo for up to 15 days." https://www.mfa-ks.net/en/sherbimet_konsullore/505/kategorit-e-veanta-t-liruara-nga-viza/505 Kind regards, Enkelena On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 12:24 AM Christoph Egger < christ...@christoph-egger.org> wrote: > Hi > > On Sunday 20 March 2022 23:03:36 CET Thomas Goirand wrote: > > I probably will drive from France (next to Geneva) to Prizen, because it > > may be cheaper and easier this way (compared to fligh + rent a car, and > > since I'm planning to come with all of my family). > > > > As the Adriatic Sea side is a very nice thing to watch during the > > travel, I've thought about a route going like this do: > > > > France -> Milan -> Venice -> Slovania -> Coratia -> Montenegro -> > > Albania -> Prizren. > > Quick check on the internet suggests Croatia and Montenegro are fine > assuming > your partner has a valid schengen visum (list includes cosovo and albania > so > worth checking I guess) > > > https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/non-eu-countries-where-you-can-go-with-schengen-visa/ > > Christoph > > >
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
Hi On Sunday 20 March 2022 23:03:36 CET Thomas Goirand wrote: > I probably will drive from France (next to Geneva) to Prizen, because it > may be cheaper and easier this way (compared to fligh + rent a car, and > since I'm planning to come with all of my family). > > As the Adriatic Sea side is a very nice thing to watch during the > travel, I've thought about a route going like this do: > > France -> Milan -> Venice -> Slovania -> Coratia -> Montenegro -> > Albania -> Prizren. Quick check on the internet suggests Croatia and Montenegro are fine assuming your partner has a valid schengen visum (list includes cosovo and albania so worth checking I guess) https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/non-eu-countries-where-you-can-go-with-schengen-visa/ Christoph
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
On 3/20/22 23:29, Enkelena Haxhiu wrote: Hi Thomas, We are in the process of making an agreement with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs so that we may send a list of people needing a visa and a copy of their documents, then they will confirm it and ask for people to send their passport via post to the embassy in Istanbul or consulate in New York. This process has not ended, this is why we have not updated the website yet. It will be known soon. Unfortunately, this is the only way we can deal with it. The Republic of Kosovo does not issue visas upon arrival, we asked about this and it is not possible. Regarding information about European countries visa requirements, you think we should have information about that? If so, then we will surfe their official websites and make a guide. Hope this is helpful. Kind regards, Enkelena Hi Enkelena, Thanks for your ultra-quick reply! :) It'd be very nice if you can do the way you describe above, indeed, for the Kosovo visas. My advice though: update the website now, and copy/past what you just explained to me, even if the deal isn't done yet. Then I did a bit more research. The following countries do not require visa for Chinese: - Albania - Bosnia & Herzegovina - Serbia (if we decide for that route instead of Croatia...) The following countries are in the Schengen area: - Slovenia - Croatia For Montenegro, they have the following rule: "Nationals of any country may visit Montenegro without a visa for up to 30 days if they hold a passport with visas issued by Ireland, a Schengen Area member state, the United Kingdom or the United States or if they are permanent residents of those countries. so as my wife has a living permit in France (Schengen area), she doesn't need a visa for Montenegro. So finally, it looks like the only annoying visa thing for us may be Kosovo only, whatever route we take, and I may organize the trip as I want! :) You may (and probably should) share the above on the website, provided you trust me and ... wikipedia. Hint: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_$ helps a lot... Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo)
Re: Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
Hi Thomas, We are in the process of making an agreement with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs so that we may send a list of people needing a visa and a copy of their documents, then they will confirm it and ask for people to send their passport via post to the embassy in Istanbul or consulate in New York. This process has not ended, this is why we have not updated the website yet. It will be known soon. Unfortunately, this is the only way we can deal with it. The Republic of Kosovo does not issue visas upon arrival, we asked about this and it is not possible. Regarding information about European countries visa requirements, you think we should have information about that? If so, then we will surfe their official websites and make a guide. Hope this is helpful. Kind regards, Enkelena On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:03 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: > Hi, > > I probably will drive from France (next to Geneva) to Prizen, because it > may be cheaper and easier this way (compared to fligh + rent a car, and > since I'm planning to come with all of my family). > > As the Adriatic Sea side is a very nice thing to watch during the > travel, I've thought about a route going like this do: > > France -> Milan -> Venice -> Slovania -> Coratia -> Montenegro -> > Albania -> Prizren. > > The problem is that each country must have a different visa requirement. > For me and my kids, it should be ok, but for my wife, with a Chinese > passport, it should be more complicated. > > Do you have any idea what are the (pass over?) visa requirements for > these countries? Do they deliver the visa at the border? > > If it's too complicated, another option is to go south in Italy, and > take a boat from Bari to Durres in Albania, in which case we would only > cross Albania. But we would then miss the nice Croatia sea views... > > Also, is there somewhere the visa requirements for Kosovo in the wiki? I > couldn't find it... The page over here: > https://debconf22.debconf.org/about/visas/ > > only lists countries that don't need visas, and points to the root of > https://www.mfa-ks.net/ without even a specific URL. Finding my way on > that site, I get to this URL: > > https://www.mfa-ks.net/en/sherbimet_konsullore/503/kush-ka-nevoj-pr-viza-t-kosovs/503 > > which ... doesn't work on Firefox. Then I tried with Chromium, which > lead me to the following text: > > > Visas may be obtained from diplomatic and consular posts of Kosovo in: > > > > Tirana, Albania > > Ambasada e Republikës së Kosovës në Tiranë > > Rr. Donika Kastrioti, Vila nr 6, Tiranë > > E-mail : visa...@rks-gov.net > > http://www.ambasada-ks.net/al/ > > > > Istanbul, Turkey > > Konsullata e Përgjithshme e Republikës së Kosovës në Stamboll > > Vali Konağı Cad. No: 74 D 3 > > Nişantaşı, İstanbul / Turkey > > E-mail: visa@rks-gov.net > > http://www.ambasada-ks.net/tr/ > > Not very helpful, we live next to Geneva. > > So, what does this mean? How does it work? Sorry to say thing this way, > but I do expect *MORE* information from the local debconf team, and it > disappoints me that I may not be the only one finding it hard to > understand how all of this work... > > Your thoughts? > > Cheers, > > Thomas Goirand (zigo) > >
Driving from France to Prizren: visa requirements
Hi, I probably will drive from France (next to Geneva) to Prizen, because it may be cheaper and easier this way (compared to fligh + rent a car, and since I'm planning to come with all of my family). As the Adriatic Sea side is a very nice thing to watch during the travel, I've thought about a route going like this do: France -> Milan -> Venice -> Slovania -> Coratia -> Montenegro -> Albania -> Prizren. The problem is that each country must have a different visa requirement. For me and my kids, it should be ok, but for my wife, with a Chinese passport, it should be more complicated. Do you have any idea what are the (pass over?) visa requirements for these countries? Do they deliver the visa at the border? If it's too complicated, another option is to go south in Italy, and take a boat from Bari to Durres in Albania, in which case we would only cross Albania. But we would then miss the nice Croatia sea views... Also, is there somewhere the visa requirements for Kosovo in the wiki? I couldn't find it... The page over here: https://debconf22.debconf.org/about/visas/ only lists countries that don't need visas, and points to the root of https://www.mfa-ks.net/ without even a specific URL. Finding my way on that site, I get to this URL: https://www.mfa-ks.net/en/sherbimet_konsullore/503/kush-ka-nevoj-pr-viza-t-kosovs/503 which ... doesn't work on Firefox. Then I tried with Chromium, which lead me to the following text: > Visas may be obtained from diplomatic and consular posts of Kosovo in: > > Tirana, Albania > Ambasada e Republikës së Kosovës në Tiranë > Rr. Donika Kastrioti, Vila nr 6, Tiranë > E-mail : visa...@rks-gov.net > http://www.ambasada-ks.net/al/ > > Istanbul, Turkey > Konsullata e Përgjithshme e Republikës së Kosovës në Stamboll > Vali Konağı Cad. No: 74 D 3 > Nişantaşı, İstanbul / Turkey > E-mail: visa@rks-gov.net > http://www.ambasada-ks.net/tr/ Not very helpful, we live next to Geneva. So, what does this mean? How does it work? Sorry to say thing this way, but I do expect *MORE* information from the local debconf team, and it disappoints me that I may not be the only one finding it hard to understand how all of this work... Your thoughts? Cheers, Thomas Goirand (zigo)
