Re: DebConf19 expense: projector for main auditorium
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 [spi treasurer dropped] > "Antonio" == Antonio Terceiro writes: Antonio> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:05:23PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: >> So, my question to SPI is whether they believe that donating the >> projector is something Debian can legally do. Antonio> Well, it doesn't need to be SPI. ICTL is already receiving Antonio> the sponsorships from Brazilian companies directly, we Antonio> could as well not involve SPI at all in this. The amount seems reasonable for rent and access to a good projector. I'm fine with ICTL paying this amount, and I'm fine if ICTL were to choose to pay this amount in the form of a projector rather than a money transfer. However, it's important that we actually close the negotiations. If this is the rent amount, it needs to stay the rent amount, and we must not discover future donations we're recommended to make. Approved in that context -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE9Li3nMNy++OFgPTCQe7SUh/WssoFAlzfBKgACgkQQe7SUh/W ssoyXwf/ZNd4yVllW3BJcnmpy5vEjI7x0sgkukweYxCLjF7+ZTFYnfOqJKpUFM4I 2wMRFJihuLBMGcrJSARkh6Xouzu6gFof5XcjPza85N3swkd9DgvIVYlKNtjnMD4A B9c7hdyYfofsRU+k7lI56yAVEQJLvaR0IJrJ5flob5NBOAfpwpAJ70Np9NaMBn9e UKgwK/YCzdVwEjqbb+q/2iSkqHRrdmlO8jyWVRuJG0nNw1nivmmzjdT3WM1vEbvS MaRWk9+uzmv92sTW8aMmmSNtw/mr4IJInwVhStwf7ULiF4hciTYQjh2eTgxFSBDz mqTOscQEAAQ20qUK8nQHzt2SCMq7pw== =cSWU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: DebConf19 expense: projector for main auditorium
I don't have any ethical problem with the solution proposed by the DebConf19 local team. With my videoteam hat on, I'm also glad we'll have a reliable projector :p On 19-05-16 13 h 19, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:05:23PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: >> So, my question to SPI is whether they believe that donating the >> projector is something Debian can legally do. > > Well, it doesn't need to be SPI. ICTL is already receiving the > sponsorships from Brazilian companies directly, we could as well not > involve SPI at all in this. I don't really see why this is a problem at all. Even if the money goes through SPI, it's not as if SPI was directly buying the projector for UTFPR. SPI can buy it for the Debian project, and then the Debian project can do whatever it wants with it. As Hector puts it, we can 'forget' the projector there and never claim it back if that really causes a legal problem. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Louis-Philippe Véronneau ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ po...@debian.org / veronneau.org ⠈⠳⣄ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: DebConf19 expense: projector for main auditorium
I don't have any ethical problems with the solution proposed by the DebConf19 local team. With my videoteam hat on, I'm also glad we'll have a reliable projector :p On 19-05-16 13 h 19, Antonio Terceiro wrote: > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:05:23PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: >> So, my question to SPI is whether they believe that donating the >> projector is something Debian can legally do. > > Well, it doesn't need to be SPI. ICTL is already receiving the > sponsorships from Brazilian companies directly, we could as well not > involve SPI at all in this. I don't really see why this is a problem at all. Even if the money goes through SPI, it's not as if SPI was directly buying the projector for UTFPR. SPI can buy it for the Debian project, and then the Debian project can do whatever it wants with it. As Hector puts it, we can 'forget' the projector there and never claim it back if that really causes a legal problem. -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Louis-Philippe Véronneau ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ po...@debian.org / veronneau.org ⠈⠳⣄ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: DebConf19 expense: projector for main auditorium
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:05:23PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > So, my question to SPI is whether they believe that donating the > projector is something Debian can legally do. Well, it doesn't need to be SPI. ICTL is already receiving the sponsorships from Brazilian companies directly, we could as well not involve SPI at all in this. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: DebConf19 expense: projector for main auditorium
Hello, Missatge de Sam Hartman del dia dj., 16 de maig 2019 a les 18:05: > > Copying debian and SPI treasurer. > > My biggest question is whether this is even legally possible. SPI can > only transfer assets to effectively the same kind of organization with a > compatible purpose. So, if we were talking within the US, SPI could > only transfer a projector to a non-profit with a compatible purpose. I > have no idea how the legalities work when a US non-profit is > transferring an asset to a Brazilian public entity. > > So, my question to SPI is whether they believe that donating the > projector is something Debian can legally do. We should also consider the long long term loan scenario, if donation is not feasible. Regards, -- Héctor Orón -.. . -... .. .- -. -.. . ...- . .-.. --- .--. . .-.
Re: DebConf19 expense: projector for main auditorium
Copying debian and SPI treasurer. My biggest question is whether this is even legally possible. SPI can only transfer assets to effectively the same kind of organization with a compatible purpose. So, if we were talking within the US, SPI could only transfer a projector to a non-profit with a compatible purpose. I have no idea how the legalities work when a US non-profit is transferring an asset to a Brazilian public entity. So, my question to SPI is whether they believe that donating the projector is something Debian can legally do.
