Re: Will pre-recorded only talk be accepted for DebConf22?
Hi Kartik (2022.04.03_12:31:11_+) > >I don't think documenting things that happen during DebCamp for remote > >attendees is something the DebConf videoteam can do, as we're typically > >swamped with getting our setup ready in time for DebConf (when we're not > >participating in other sprints ourselves...) > > I think I wasn't clear in my email previously, I was not talking about > documenting the entire debcamp as that would be very difficult, I was > thinking more about shorter videos that show some interesting things > like their fav setup or how using some tool they were > able to make it more easier for the tasks that they do. Not really the direction you're trying to go, but of course it'd be great to have some recorded coverage of DebCamp. We have some footage from DebCamp 4 & 5, which are a few minutes of fascinating nostalgia: https://peertube.debian.social/w/psFxpemsL28dmo8Fk51Ro6 https://peertube.debian.social/w/p/thVEFp7R835VpsyfHgQQRN As pointed out, that would have to be shot while the video team is busy with setup. And the video would probably need heavy editing, unlike the conference talk coverage we do that has only live video mixing. This is a different skill-set to most DebConf video team people. So, it would make sense if someone who isn't a core member of the team took on this project. If anyone does want to do it, we could provide some equipment, and publish the videos, but can't promise much more help than that. SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272
Re: Re: Will pre-recorded only talk be accepted for DebConf22?
Hello, >AFAIU, what you are describing is different than what was asked by >Kentaro / Gunnar. Yeah, true. I was thinking if the videos that would be sent were to be under few mins then we could use it as a loop of some sort during the breaks. >I don't think documenting things that happen during DebCamp for remote >attendees is something the DebConf videoteam can do, as we're typically >swamped with getting our setup ready in time for DebConf (when we're not >participating in other sprints ourselves...) I think I wasn't clear in my email previously, I was not talking about documenting the entire debcamp as that would be very difficult, I was thinking more about shorter videos that show some interesting things like their fav setup or how using some tool they were able to make it more easier for the tasks that they do. This would be pre-recorded so we wouldn't have to put in more effort at all IMO. Also, when I said > Since sharing of such ideas usually happens during debcamp anyway, I meant more like, as we would have something like this in debcamp (people sharing their fav setup/ new tool that they discovered/created ) would it not make sense to document it beforehand and share it to remote viewers as well. I don't know if this makes it clear or this is even more confusing. Cheers, Kartik
Re: Will pre-recorded only talk be accepted for DebConf22?
On 2022-03-30 08 h 14, Kartik Kulkarni wrote: > I think this is a good idea. Having small videos that explain something > trivial or quick tips or something like setting up your favorite dev > environment/ showcasing it’s benefits would be a great way to share > experiences from older (read as more experienced) members to newer members. > > Since sharing of such ideas usually happens during debcamp anyway, > sharing/documenting these things for remote viewers would have a good impact > I think. Maybe if this works we could join all these small videos and upload > it to our video streaming platform of choice so that we could use that as a > reference in the future if we forget. > > As a member of the video team I can volunteer for this but I am open to > other’s opinion regarding if this would work for the conference as a whole or > if this would require significantly more volunteers than we currently get. AFAIU, what you are describing is different than what was asked by Kentaro / Gunnar. I don't think documenting things that happen during DebCamp for remote attendees is something the DebConf videoteam can do, as we're typically swamped with getting our setup ready in time for DebConf (when we're not participating in other sprints ourselves...) -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Louis-Philippe Véronneau ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋ po...@debian.org / veronneau.org ⠈⠳⣄
Re: Will pre-recorded only talk be accepted for DebConf22?
I think this is a good idea. Having small videos that explain something trivial or quick tips or something like setting up your favorite dev environment/ showcasing it’s benefits would be a great way to share experiences from older (read as more experienced) members to newer members. Since sharing of such ideas usually happens during debcamp anyway, sharing/documenting these things for remote viewers would have a good impact I think. Maybe if this works we could join all these small videos and upload it to our video streaming platform of choice so that we could use that as a reference in the future if we forget. As a member of the video team I can volunteer for this but I am open to other’s opinion regarding if this would work for the conference as a whole or if this would require significantly more volunteers than we currently get. Regards, Kartik > On 29 Mar 2022, at 22:16, Stefano Rivera wrote: > > Hi Gunnar (2022.03.29_17:27:34_+) >> Of course, I'm not doing the work, and I cannot commit your time -- >> and I'm arguing against a team decision that's already been taken. I >> can commit that, if I can make it to Kosovo (and that's still marked >> as somewhat-unlikely-but-possible) I'll join the team and cover some >> such talks, if they are accepted... But please, I won't make more mess >> about this, and I surely won't insist on the team for upholding a >> decision already taken, and that's completely within their competences >> to take! > > That's a good way to handle it, I think. If a few people can volunteer > to help like that, then we can confidently schedule a few remote talks. > > SR > -- > Stefano Rivera > http://tumbleweed.org.za/ > +1 415 683 3272 >
Re: Will pre-recorded only talk be accepted for DebConf22?
Hi Gunnar (2022.03.29_17:27:34_+) > Of course, I'm not doing the work, and I cannot commit your time -- > and I'm arguing against a team decision that's already been taken. I > can commit that, if I can make it to Kosovo (and that's still marked > as somewhat-unlikely-but-possible) I'll join the team and cover some > such talks, if they are accepted... But please, I won't make more mess > about this, and I surely won't insist on the team for upholding a > decision already taken, and that's completely within their competences > to take! That's a good way to handle it, I think. If a few people can volunteer to help like that, then we can confidently schedule a few remote talks. SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272
Re: Will pre-recorded only talk be accepted for DebConf22?
Hey Gunnar
On 2022/03/29 19:27, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
I know that all videoteam work is volunteer, and I very well known it
is one of the most stressed teams during the conference. But we_have_
had talks via Jitsi in DebConf in the past; I remember participating
in at least a couple during DC19:
https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/83-whats-new-in-the-linux-kernel-and-whats-missing-in-debian/
https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/71-anti-harassment-bof/
So -- I understand the video team not wanting to deal with a_flood_
of online talk proposals. But I guess that having a_few_ talks, maybe
restricted to not being part of the official program (i.e. as ad-hoc
activities), should remain an option. The presenter could even take
the work to record the talk and make it available afterwards.
Of course, I'm not doing the work, and I cannot commit your time --
and I'm arguing against a team decision that's already been taken. I
can commit that, if I can make it to Kosovo (and that's still marked
as somewhat-unlikely-but-possible) I'll join the team and cover some
such talks, if they are accepted... But please, I won't make more mess
about this, and I surely won't insist on the team for upholding a
decision already taken, and that's completely within their competences
to take!
I do believe that there needs to be a larger focus on online
participation, to the point where this needs to be a requirement and
factor for choosing future DebConf teams/venues. I followed
DebConf{7,8,9,10,11,13,14} remotely, and some of them made it really
easy to participate actively, small things like having the physical
room's IRC channel up on a projector screen can make a huge difference.
Many people just don't have the option of traveling, maybe it's too far,
or they have dependents to take care of, or they want to be kinder to
the environment. And besides, it's difficult to scale DebConf any larger
with the typical available venues we have, so long-term we have to be
better at online participation.
I know it's difficult to find solutions when there's so much pressure
already, but I think over the next few physical *mini* DebConfs we
should experiment a lot more and try to find things that work well for
remote participants.
I also just learned that element is building a videochat feature for
element (that doesn't need any jitsi, it's purely built on matrix).
Still very alpha, but could be yet another tool in our arsenal:
https://element.io/blog/introducing-native-matrix-voip-with-element-call/
-Jonathan
Re: Will pre-recorded only talk be accepted for DebConf22?
Stefano Rivera dijo [Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 01:45:56PM +]: > This is something that the video team (CCed) would like to continue to > experiment with and improve on. But we aren't able to support a > significant remote-presenter presence at DebConf, yet. > > Without any kind of interaction with an audience in a conference > theatre, an entirely remote track would be far more doable. We aren't > intending to do something like that at DebConf 22, at this time. I guess > if there was significant interest, we could reconsider that... > > Basically, supporting any of these things needs time and work from the > video team. And, since COVID-19, we haven't had any of the usual sprints > to improve infrastructure. I know that all videoteam work is volunteer, and I very well known it is one of the most stressed teams during the conference. But we _have_ had talks via Jitsi in DebConf in the past; I remember participating in at least a couple during DC19: https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/83-whats-new-in-the-linux-kernel-and-whats-missing-in-debian/ https://debconf19.debconf.org/talks/71-anti-harassment-bof/ So -- I understand the video team not wanting to deal with a _flood_ of online talk proposals. But I guess that having a _few_ talks, maybe restricted to not being part of the official program (i.e. as ad-hoc activities), should remain an option. The presenter could even take the work to record the talk and make it available afterwards. Of course, I'm not doing the work, and I cannot commit your time -- and I'm arguing against a team decision that's already been taken. I can commit that, if I can make it to Kosovo (and that's still marked as somewhat-unlikely-but-possible) I'll join the team and cover some such talks, if they are accepted... But please, I won't make more mess about this, and I surely won't insist on the team for upholding a decision already taken, and that's completely within their competences to take!
Re: Will pre-recorded only talk be accepted for DebConf22?
Hi, https://lists.debian.org/debconf-discuss/2022/03/msg00022.html The important point of the above idea is just collecting talks and archiving it. Yes, it is an important Q&A session with a remote presenter, but it doesn't focus on it. Anyway, it seems that it is hard to do such a thing at this time. Thank you for thinking about it. Regards, 2022年3月28日(月) 22:46 Stefano Rivera : > > Hi Kentaro (2022.03.28_13:26:39_+) > > I knew DebConf22 will be held as in-person event. > > In recent DebConf, I could participate by submitting a pre-recorded > > talk and attending live streaming for Q&A. > > > > In DebConf22, can we participate in one of the presentations? > > We haven't found a good way to do Q&A with a remote presenter, on a > stage at DebConf. Our attempts at it so far have required the full > attention of the core video team, and we can't provide that for more > than a couple of events in the conference. > > This is something that the video team (CCed) would like to continue to > experiment with and improve on. But we aren't able to support a > significant remote-presenter presence at DebConf, yet. > > Without any kind of interaction with an audience in a conference > theatre, an entirely remote track would be far more doable. We aren't > intending to do something like that at DebConf 22, at this time. I guess > if there was significant interest, we could reconsider that... > > Basically, supporting any of these things needs time and work from the > video team. And, since COVID-19, we haven't had any of the usual sprints > to improve infrastructure. > > SR > > -- > Stefano Rivera > http://tumbleweed.org.za/ > +1 415 683 3272 > -- Kentaro Hayashi
Re: Will pre-recorded only talk be accepted for DebConf22?
Hi Kentaro (2022.03.28_13:26:39_+) > I knew DebConf22 will be held as in-person event. > In recent DebConf, I could participate by submitting a pre-recorded > talk and attending live streaming for Q&A. > > In DebConf22, can we participate in one of the presentations? We haven't found a good way to do Q&A with a remote presenter, on a stage at DebConf. Our attempts at it so far have required the full attention of the core video team, and we can't provide that for more than a couple of events in the conference. This is something that the video team (CCed) would like to continue to experiment with and improve on. But we aren't able to support a significant remote-presenter presence at DebConf, yet. Without any kind of interaction with an audience in a conference theatre, an entirely remote track would be far more doable. We aren't intending to do something like that at DebConf 22, at this time. I guess if there was significant interest, we could reconsider that... Basically, supporting any of these things needs time and work from the video team. And, since COVID-19, we haven't had any of the usual sprints to improve infrastructure. SR -- Stefano Rivera http://tumbleweed.org.za/ +1 415 683 3272
