Re: Debian accessibility settings
michael caron couturier, on mer. 14 mars 2018 22:41:31 -0400, wrote: > Mini iso don't, How so? What doesn't work? If you don't provide details, we can't fix bugs, because for all that I know, it just works. Samuel
Re: Debian accessibility settings
"Accessibility support is available on all images except the non-gtk mini.iso image." https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility 2018-03-15 3:54 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault : > michael caron couturier, on mer. 14 mars 2018 22:41:31 -0400, wrote: >> Mini iso don't, > > How so? What doesn't work? If you don't provide details, we can't fix > bugs, because for all that I know, it just works. > > Samuel > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Re: Debian accessibility settings
michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 03:56:39 -0400, wrote: > "Accessibility support is available on all images except the non-gtk > mini.iso image." > > https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility Ok, so the bug was in the documentation, which I have now fixed, thanks for the report. Samuel
Re: Debian accessibility settings
Man could you do what was asked ? I wanted to know the config not touch the documentation, accessibility isn't on the mini iso, I installed anyway cause I have to start there, there's no point to add accessibility to this minimal iso anyway, it won't fit the purpose but someone building up from it could need to know how the accessibility stack is build on Debian ... 2018-03-15 4:45 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault : > michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 03:56:39 -0400, wrote: >> "Accessibility support is available on all images except the non-gtk >> mini.iso image." >> >> https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility > > Ok, so the bug was in the documentation, which I have now fixed, thanks > for the report. > > Samuel > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Re: Debian accessibility settings
If you need at all cost to see to under that accessibility isn't on a build made from the mini iso : https://i.imgur.com/VIVjeSl.png 2018-03-15 10:46 UTC−04:00, michael caron couturier : > Man could you do what was asked ? > > I wanted to know the config not touch the documentation, accessibility > isn't on the mini iso, I installed anyway cause I have to start there, > there's no point to add accessibility to this minimal iso anyway, it > won't fit the purpose but someone building up from it could need to > know how the accessibility stack is build on Debian ... > > 2018-03-15 4:45 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault : >> michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 03:56:39 -0400, wrote: >>> "Accessibility support is available on all images except the non-gtk >>> mini.iso image." >>> >>> https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility#Debian_installer_accessibility >> >> Ok, so the bug was in the documentation, which I have now fixed, thanks >> for the report. >> >> Samuel >> > > > -- > Michaël Caron Couturier > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Re: Debian accessibility settings
michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 10:46:52 -0400, wrote: > Man could you do what was asked ? > I wanted to know the config not touch the documentation, I already answered the original question: we do not do tweaks beyond what is documented on the wiki. If that is not what you wanted to know, I need a question that I can understand. > accessibility isn't on the mini iso, Perhaps I simply do not understand what you mean by "accessibility isn't on the mini iso". That ISO does definitely support installing with braille, and the gtk version of mini iso does support installing with speech. > I installed anyway cause I have > to start there, there's no point to add accessibility to this minimal > iso anyway, it won't fit the purpose but someone building up from it > could need to know how the accessibility stack is build on Debian ... Coming back to what you said previously: > I try to build a distro slowly so I start with the bare minimum ... Are you building a distro on top of Debian? Then you can just install the needed packages: brltty for braille support, orca for GUI accessibility support. The dependency bits will follow. Samuel
Re: Debian accessibility settings
michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 10:53:32 -0400, wrote: > If you need at all cost to see to under that accessibility isn't on a > build made from the mini iso : > > https://i.imgur.com/VIVjeSl.png You mean you installed Debian without using accessibility, and then you got a system which does not have accessibility enabled? Well, yes, that is expected. Again, to enable accessibility in the installed system, see the few commands we run, as documented on https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility Samuel
Re: Debian accessibility settings
Skip since you obviously don't understand ... There's no accessibility in the mini iso, I would have used it, installed gnome-orca and brltty don't add accessibility options. Yes I build a distro slowly, I have an interface for colorblinds tested ready to pack but to fix accessibility for real on Linux I have to create a distro in a proper way so I can't simply join Debian team, I will later push my changes however. 2018-03-15 11:17 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault : > michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 10:53:32 -0400, wrote: >> If you need at all cost to see to under that accessibility isn't on a >> build made from the mini iso : >> >> https://i.imgur.com/VIVjeSl.png > > You mean you installed Debian without using accessibility, and > then you got a system which does not have accessibility enabled? > Well, yes, that is expected. Again, to enable accessibility in the > installed system, see the few commands we run, as documented on > https://wiki.debian.org/accessibility > > Samuel > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
Re: Debian accessibility settings
michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 11:47:37 -0400, wrote: > Skip since you obviously don't understand ... Well, if I can't understand, it will be hard for you to get any answer, so we need to discuss so I can understand. > There's no accessibility in the mini iso, I would have used it, The mini iso doesn't have any .deb package *at all*, so it just can not have any impact on what is installed or not in the eventual system. netinst does include some packages, but no gui package at all, so it should not make a difference. If there *is* a difference (which is not supposed to happen, and thus there would be a bug to be fixed), then please tell exactly how you installed with mini.iso and with netinst, so we can reproduce the issue and fix it, because for all we know it is working, but as soon as you don't pick up default options, there might be bugs which we have not met simply because we can not test all possible options combinations. > installed gnome-orca and brltty don't add accessibility options. Do you mean that after installing with mini.iso, gnome-orca and brltty were not installed (had you selected the MATE task item in the installer, or installed MATE afterwards?), and that even with installing gnome-orca brltty afterwards, there was still no accessibility option shown in the interface? Samuel
Re: Debian accessibility settings
Minimal iso is worthless for an accessibility user and you would break the purpose of it by adding accessibility, it's clay to build from with the only bare minimum. Adding the packages later didn't fixed the issue since there's a configuration (dotfiles) that manage accessibility. 2018-03-15 12:16 UTC−04:00, Samuel Thibault : > michael caron couturier, on jeu. 15 mars 2018 11:47:37 -0400, wrote: >> Skip since you obviously don't understand ... > > Well, if I can't understand, it will be hard for you to get any answer, > so we need to discuss so I can understand. > >> There's no accessibility in the mini iso, I would have used it, > > The mini iso doesn't have any .deb package *at all*, so it just can not > have any impact on what is installed or not in the eventual system. > netinst does include some packages, but no gui package at all, so it > should not make a difference. > > If there *is* a difference (which is not supposed to happen, and thus > there would be a bug to be fixed), then please tell exactly how you > installed with mini.iso and with netinst, so we can reproduce the issue > and fix it, because for all we know it is working, but as soon as you > don't pick up default options, there might be bugs which we have not met > simply because we can not test all possible options combinations. > >> installed gnome-orca and brltty don't add accessibility options. > > Do you mean that after installing with mini.iso, gnome-orca and > brltty were not installed (had you selected the MATE task item in the > installer, or installed MATE afterwards?), and that even with installing > gnome-orca brltty afterwards, there was still no accessibility option > shown in the interface? > > Samuel > -- Michaël Caron Couturier
