Re: Installing More than One Linux on BTRFS Disk
Hello David, On Aug 3, 2023, at 11:46, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > > Is there a tutorial for me to read to understand if additional Linux > distributions installed on the same device need separate BIOS BOOT and EFI > SYSTEM partitions in addition for a separate partition for that added Linux > distribution. THere's a pretty good discussion of this here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/742392/can-i-use-btrfs-subvolumes-for-trying-multiple-linux-distributions-without-commi I think I'd try a little different approach than what's recommended here, in that I would try chain loading each distros boot loader. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/343632/uefi-chainloading-grub-from-grub Since this is a bit off topic, feel free to write me off list if you need to talk this through further. --FC > > I want to have text console accessibility and the two best distributions that > do this are Debian and Slint (based on Slackware). > > However, Slint being Slackware based leaves big deficiencies in the > availability of applications. > > But on the other hand, Slint, especially for accessibility, has done an > amazing job. Not only are their useful customized scripts to get your system > to speak with a certain console screen reader (or not to speak at all), > certain screen readers like voxin (both the IBM TTS version and the new Voxin > Embedded TTS) install with an easy script, and if emacspeak is desire, it too > will be installed and integrated with the IBM TTS engine for emacspeak if > desired. I understand that an emacspeak engine for Voxin Embedded TTS is > under development and it's hoped that it will be added to Slint. > > The sole developer of Slint and Slint's multi language accessibility, Didier > Spaier has done an unbelievable job. > > In a way, the pity is that it's Slackware, and that distro hasn't kept up > with the software needs of it's user base. > > However, all those wished for applications and utilities are found in Debian > especially if a third-party sources.list generator is used to include > non-free software that isn't published in Debian such as multimedia codecs. > Debian is starting to keep up with it's user base by finally installing > non-free firmware, we can only hope for the non-free libraries that every > other Linux distro has. > > But we can add those by changing the /etc/apt/sources.list file See > https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ > > It would be wonderful to have both of these on one device and have the one > that is wanted selected at boot time in a grub menu. > > Now only if boot up menus were accessible, but perhaps someday they will be. > > Rgds, > David
Re: Installing More than One Linux on BTRFS Disk
I believe it installs all the speech stuff, with mine, I had to later install the WIFI and other networking part.Glenn - Original Message - From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. To: K0LNY Cc: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Installing More than One Linux on BTRFS Disk But I thought the Live Image did not install speech-dispatcher and other requirements for console speech. If it does, how do I get it to do that? Is it under "Advanced Graphical Installation"? Rgds, David On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 11:57 AM K0LNY wrote: David, I would think that the installer from a live image would handle the GRUB for this to work. Glenn - Original Message - From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:46 AM Subject: Installing More than One Linux on BTRFS Disk Is there a tutorial for me to read to understand if additional Linux distributions installed on the same device need separate BIOS BOOT and EFI SYSTEM partitions in addition for a separate partition for that added Linux distribution. I want to have text console accessibility and the two best distributions that do this are Debian and Slint (based on Slackware). However, Slint being Slackware based leaves big deficiencies in the availability of applications. But on the other hand, Slint, especially for accessibility, has done an amazing job. Not only are their useful customized scripts to get your system to speak with a certain console screen reader (or not to speak at all), certain screen readers like voxin (both the IBM TTS version and the new Voxin Embedded TTS) install with an easy script, and if emacspeak is desire, it too will be installed and integrated with the IBM TTS engine for emacspeak if desired. I understand that an emacspeak engine for Voxin Embedded TTS is under development and it's hoped that it will be added to Slint. The sole developer of Slint and Slint's multi language accessibility, Didier Spaier has done an unbelievable job. In a way, the pity is that it's Slackware, and that distro hasn't kept up with the software needs of it's user base. However, all those wished for applications and utilities are found in Debian especially if a third-party sources.list generator is used to include non-free software that isn't published in Debian such as multimedia codecs. Debian is starting to keep up with it's user base by finally installing non-free firmware, we can only hope for the non-free libraries that every other Linux distro has. But we can add those by changing the /etc/apt/sources.list file See https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ It would be wonderful to have both of these on one device and have the one that is wanted selected at boot time in a grub menu. Now only if boot up menus were accessible, but perhaps someday they will be. Rgds, David
Re: Installing More than One Linux on BTRFS Disk
But I thought the Live Image did not install speech-dispatcher and other requirements for console speech. If it does, how do I get it to do that? Is it under "Advanced Graphical Installation"? Rgds, David On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 11:57 AM K0LNY wrote: > David, I would think that the installer from a live image would handle the > GRUB for this to work. > Glenn > - Original Message - > *From:* D.J.J. Ring, Jr. > *To:* debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org > *Sent:* Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:46 AM > *Subject:* Installing More than One Linux on BTRFS Disk > > Is there a tutorial for me to read to understand if additional Linux > distributions installed on the same device need separate BIOS BOOT and EFI > SYSTEM partitions in addition for a separate partition for that added Linux > distribution. > > I want to have text console accessibility and the two best distributions > that do this are Debian and Slint (based on Slackware). > > However, Slint being Slackware based leaves big deficiencies in the > availability of applications. > > But on the other hand, Slint, especially for accessibility, has done an > amazing job. Not only are their useful customized scripts to get your > system to speak with a certain console screen reader (or not to speak at > all), certain screen readers like voxin (both the IBM TTS version and the > new Voxin Embedded TTS) install with an easy script, and if emacspeak is > desire, it too will be installed and integrated with the IBM TTS engine for > emacspeak if desired. I understand that an emacspeak engine for Voxin > Embedded TTS is under development and it's hoped that it will be added to > Slint. > > The sole developer of Slint and Slint's multi language accessibility, > Didier Spaier has done an unbelievable job. > > In a way, the pity is that it's Slackware, and that distro hasn't kept up > with the software needs of it's user base. > > However, all those wished for applications and utilities are found in > Debian especially if a third-party sources.list generator is used to > include non-free software that isn't published in Debian such as multimedia > codecs. Debian is starting to keep up with it's user base by finally > installing non-free firmware, we can only hope for the non-free libraries > that every other Linux distro has. > > But we can add those by changing the /etc/apt/sources.list file See > https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ > > It would be wonderful to have both of these on one device and have the one > that is wanted selected at boot time in a grub menu. > > Now only if boot up menus were accessible, but perhaps someday they will > be. > > Rgds, > David >
Re: OT Re: Installing Voxin Eloquence Broke Speakup?
John Doe or whatever your real name is, and if you are not the moderator for this list, I wish you'd remove yourself from this list. This is a Debian topic, this is about Debian Accessibility and there has been a very productive discussion about this going on and off this list for about a week. If you are a debian accessibility developer, perhaps your work can be done without such destructive comments. You will take note I do not like cowards who hide behind any pseudonym - unless your name is really "John Doe" - but I think that just like the comments you leave lambasting anyone who does not agree with you, that it is fake. Go crawl into a hole, and hopefully that hole will be covered up with debris and other things that seem naturally attracted to your type of personality and we will not have to suffer through your misplaced anger and other personal deficiencies. Best regards, David Ring On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 2:54 PM john doe wrote: > On 8/1/23 00:34, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: > > Again, please refrain from polluting the list with OT stuff. > > -- > John Doe > >
Re: Installing More than One Linux on BTRFS Disk
David, I would think that the installer from a live image would handle the GRUB for this to work. Glenn - Original Message - From: D.J.J. Ring, Jr. To: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:46 AM Subject: Installing More than One Linux on BTRFS Disk Is there a tutorial for me to read to understand if additional Linux distributions installed on the same device need separate BIOS BOOT and EFI SYSTEM partitions in addition for a separate partition for that added Linux distribution. I want to have text console accessibility and the two best distributions that do this are Debian and Slint (based on Slackware). However, Slint being Slackware based leaves big deficiencies in the availability of applications. But on the other hand, Slint, especially for accessibility, has done an amazing job. Not only are their useful customized scripts to get your system to speak with a certain console screen reader (or not to speak at all), certain screen readers like voxin (both the IBM TTS version and the new Voxin Embedded TTS) install with an easy script, and if emacspeak is desire, it too will be installed and integrated with the IBM TTS engine for emacspeak if desired. I understand that an emacspeak engine for Voxin Embedded TTS is under development and it's hoped that it will be added to Slint. The sole developer of Slint and Slint's multi language accessibility, Didier Spaier has done an unbelievable job. In a way, the pity is that it's Slackware, and that distro hasn't kept up with the software needs of it's user base. However, all those wished for applications and utilities are found in Debian especially if a third-party sources.list generator is used to include non-free software that isn't published in Debian such as multimedia codecs. Debian is starting to keep up with it's user base by finally installing non-free firmware, we can only hope for the non-free libraries that every other Linux distro has. But we can add those by changing the /etc/apt/sources.list file See https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ It would be wonderful to have both of these on one device and have the one that is wanted selected at boot time in a grub menu. Now only if boot up menus were accessible, but perhaps someday they will be. Rgds, David
Installing More than One Linux on BTRFS Disk
Is there a tutorial for me to read to understand if additional Linux distributions installed on the same device need separate BIOS BOOT and EFI SYSTEM partitions in addition for a separate partition for that added Linux distribution. I want to have text console accessibility and the two best distributions that do this are Debian and Slint (based on Slackware). However, Slint being Slackware based leaves big deficiencies in the availability of applications. But on the other hand, Slint, especially for accessibility, has done an amazing job. Not only are their useful customized scripts to get your system to speak with a certain console screen reader (or not to speak at all), certain screen readers like voxin (both the IBM TTS version and the new Voxin Embedded TTS) install with an easy script, and if emacspeak is desire, it too will be installed and integrated with the IBM TTS engine for emacspeak if desired. I understand that an emacspeak engine for Voxin Embedded TTS is under development and it's hoped that it will be added to Slint. The sole developer of Slint and Slint's multi language accessibility, Didier Spaier has done an unbelievable job. In a way, the pity is that it's Slackware, and that distro hasn't kept up with the software needs of it's user base. However, all those wished for applications and utilities are found in Debian especially if a third-party sources.list generator is used to include non-free software that isn't published in Debian such as multimedia codecs. Debian is starting to keep up with it's user base by finally installing non-free firmware, we can only hope for the non-free libraries that every other Linux distro has. But we can add those by changing the /etc/apt/sources.list file See https://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ It would be wonderful to have both of these on one device and have the one that is wanted selected at boot time in a grub menu. Now only if boot up menus were accessible, but perhaps someday they will be. Rgds, David
