Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
Hi, (haven't seen the original mail, so replying to this one) On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 01:40:20PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:51:29PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 07:01:00PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Alexander Wirt dixit: Could you please (technically) summarize what needs to be done from listmaster side? 1. Remove whatever debian-po...@lists.debian.org is right now 2. Create a new debian-po...@lists.debian.org mailing list which works just like the other regular lists 3. Announce the new debian-po...@lists.debian.org so that people can subscribe to it; document that there is no longer an address to reach *all* ports but that people should eMail the individual ports’ lists (and cross-post if needed, but only to the amount needed), and that the new debian-po...@lists.debian.org instead is a mailing list for discussion about a) debian-ports.org infrastructure b) porting Debian in general c) questions related to setting up a Debian port, including wanna-build, buildd, etc. That seems like a bad idea to me, tbh. There will be people who won't notice that the meaning of debian-ports@ has changed, and who will try to use it with its old meaning. If there are problems with the current meaning of debian-ports, can't we just retire the old alias and create a list under a different name? -- It is easy to love a country that is famous for chocolate and beer -- Barack Obama, speaking in Brussels, Belgium, 2014-03-26 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150722153817.gb9...@grep.be
Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 05:38:17PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 01:40:20PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:51:29PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 07:01:00PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Alexander Wirt dixit: Could you please (technically) summarize what needs to be done from listmaster side? 1. Remove whatever debian-po...@lists.debian.org is right now 2. Create a new debian-po...@lists.debian.org mailing list which works just like the other regular lists 3. Announce the new debian-po...@lists.debian.org so that people can subscribe to it; document that there is no longer an address to reach *all* ports but that people should eMail the individual ports’ lists (and cross-post if needed, but only to the amount needed), and that the new debian-po...@lists.debian.org instead is a mailing list for discussion about a) debian-ports.org infrastructure b) porting Debian in general c) questions related to setting up a Debian port, including wanna-build, buildd, etc. That seems like a bad idea to me, tbh. There will be people who won't notice that the meaning of debian-ports@ has changed, and who will try to use it with its old meaning. If there are problems with the current meaning of debian-ports, can't we just retire the old alias and create a list under a different name? Is there much point to that? I've not heard anybody at all speak up in favour of the existing behaviour. If anybody does use try to use it that way in future, the new list will most likely be the best place for their mail to go... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com I used to be the first kid on the block wanting a cranial implant, now I want to be the first with a cranial firewall. -- Charlie Stross -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150722170456.gc5...@einval.com
Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
I'm in favor of the old design because I think it's important to havw a list which can be used to make announcements about important issues that all porters should be aware of. It's not really that mails going to debian-ports@ appear that often. PS: Excuse my quoting style, currently on mobile. Adrian On Jul 22, 2015, at 7:04 PM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 05:38:17PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 01:40:20PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:51:29PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 07:01:00PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Alexander Wirt dixit: Could you please (technically) summarize what needs to be done from listmaster side? 1. Remove whatever debian-po...@lists.debian.org is right now 2. Create a new debian-po...@lists.debian.org mailing list which works just like the other regular lists 3. Announce the new debian-po...@lists.debian.org so that people can subscribe to it; document that there is no longer an address to reach *all* ports but that people should eMail the individual ports’ lists (and cross-post if needed, but only to the amount needed), and that the new debian-po...@lists.debian.org instead is a mailing list for discussion about a) debian-ports.org infrastructure b) porting Debian in general c) questions related to setting up a Debian port, including wanna-build, buildd, etc. That seems like a bad idea to me, tbh. There will be people who won't notice that the meaning of debian-ports@ has changed, and who will try to use it with its old meaning. If there are problems with the current meaning of debian-ports, can't we just retire the old alias and create a list under a different name? Is there much point to that? I've not heard anybody at all speak up in favour of the existing behaviour. If anybody does use try to use it that way in future, the new list will most likely be the best place for their mail to go... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com I used to be the first kid on the block wanting a cranial implant, now I want to be the first with a cranial firewall. -- Charlie Stross -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-68k-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150722170456.gc5...@einval.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/a3f2133d-cea2-42d5-a4d3-5dacfe6ec...@physik.fu-berlin.de
Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 1:21 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: I'm in favor of the old design because I think it's important to havw a list which can be used to make announcements about important issues that all porters should be aware of. We have debian-devel-announce for that, the existing spray list could be renamed -ports-announce if it is actually needed. It's not really that mails going to debian-ports@ appear that often. Unfortunately, when they do, they are more often not appropriate to be posted there. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAKTje6FyRWPGP119cuFsXcjnesD=txyo+yxv22cw-1bqz9+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
Steve McIntyre dixit: That seems like a bad idea to me, tbh. There will be people who won't notice that the meaning of debian-ports@ has changed, and who will try to use it with its old meaning. favour of the existing behaviour. If anybody does use try to use it that way in future, the new list will most likely be the best place for their mail to go... I agree, the new ports list would probably be the better place; mails and people can still be directed elewhere, but this would take less time from people to whom the message “probably” should not have gone in the first place. (Take my recent message, for example – while the ports multiplicator was not wrong per se, the new list would have been even better. If needed I could have added individual architectures’ lists, but I’d only do that if urgent.) Adrian dixit: I'm in favor of the old design because I think it's important to havw a list which can be used to make announcements about important issues that all porters should be aware of. Even then, the new design is better (active porters will likely subscribe to the new list, users won’t, but they’re getting the “spam” right now), and for archive-wide things, d-devel-announce is the place to go anyway. bye, //mirabilos -- (gnutls can also be used, but if you are compiling lynx for your own use, there is no reason to consider using that package) -- Thomas E. Dickey on the Lynx mailing list, about OpenSSL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsm.4.64l.1507222113000.27...@herc.mirbsd.org
Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 12:51:29PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 07:01:00PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Alexander Wirt dixit: Could you please (technically) summarize what needs to be done from listmaster side? 1. Remove whatever debian-po...@lists.debian.org is right now 2. Create a new debian-po...@lists.debian.org mailing list which works just like the other regular lists 3. Announce the new debian-po...@lists.debian.org so that people can subscribe to it; document that there is no longer an address to reach *all* ports but that people should eMail the individual ports’ lists (and cross-post if needed, but only to the amount needed), and that the new debian-po...@lists.debian.org instead is a mailing list for discussion about a) debian-ports.org infrastructure b) porting Debian in general c) questions related to setting up a Debian port, including wanna-build, buildd, etc. That's exactly it, yes. Thanks. :-) Hi Alexander et al,, Could we make a start on this please? More discussions on the d-ports expander today have reminded me how annoying the current setup is. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com ...In the UNIX world, people tend to interpret `non-technical user' as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver. -- Daniel Pead -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150717124020.ga13...@einval.com
Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 07:01:00PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: Alexander Wirt dixit: Could you please (technically) summarize what needs to be done from listmaster side? 1. Remove whatever debian-po...@lists.debian.org is right now 2. Create a new debian-po...@lists.debian.org mailing list which works just like the other regular lists 3. Announce the new debian-po...@lists.debian.org so that people can subscribe to it; document that there is no longer an address to reach *all* ports but that people should eMail the individual ports’ lists (and cross-post if needed, but only to the amount needed), and that the new debian-po...@lists.debian.org instead is a mailing list for discussion about a) debian-ports.org infrastructure b) porting Debian in general c) questions related to setting up a Debian port, including wanna-build, buildd, etc. That's exactly it, yes. Thanks. :-) -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com I suspect most samba developers are already technically insane... Of course, since many of them are Australians, you can't tell. -- Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014095129.gg14...@einval.com
Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 06:39:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Hi folks, I believe the existing debian-ports setup (as an exploder pointing to all the different port lists) is not working well at all. It's a confusing setup to many people, which leads to lots of cross-list noise that's probably not warranted. Some of the traffic is also clearly meant to be discussing the debian-ports setup itself rather than individual ports, and that's also off-topic for those ports that are in the main archive. So, I propose: * Remove the confusion: turn debian-ports into a separate *normal* mailing list, announce it and let people subscribe to it as they see fit normally. This would be specifically for discussions about ports.debian.org and architectures hosted there. * Explicitly do *not* add another exploder to replace the old address: instead, *if* we want something to cover this use case, add a new list that interested people can subscribe to. Maybe debian-cross-ports or debian-architectures or something. Please feel free to suggest a better name! If such a list were to be set up, we could/should encourage existing architecture porters to sign up there too. Thoughts? Any dissenting opinions? Listmasters - are you happy to change things like I propose? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com Armed with Valor: Centurion represents quality of Discipline, Honor, Integrity and Loyalty. Now you don't have to be a Caesar to concord the digital world while feeling safe and proud. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140910150520.go24...@einval.com
Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014, Steve McIntyre wrote: On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 06:39:10PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Hi folks, I believe the existing debian-ports setup (as an exploder pointing to all the different port lists) is not working well at all. It's a confusing setup to many people, which leads to lots of cross-list noise that's probably not warranted. Some of the traffic is also clearly meant to be discussing the debian-ports setup itself rather than individual ports, and that's also off-topic for those ports that are in the main archive. So, I propose: * Remove the confusion: turn debian-ports into a separate *normal* mailing list, announce it and let people subscribe to it as they see fit normally. This would be specifically for discussions about ports.debian.org and architectures hosted there. * Explicitly do *not* add another exploder to replace the old address: instead, *if* we want something to cover this use case, add a new list that interested people can subscribe to. Maybe debian-cross-ports or debian-architectures or something. Please feel free to suggest a better name! If such a list were to be set up, we could/should encourage existing architecture porters to sign up there too. Thoughts? Any dissenting opinions? Listmasters - are you happy to change things like I propose? Could you please (technically) summarize what needs to be done from listmaster side? Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140910154907.ga20...@lisa.snow-crash.org
Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
Alexander Wirt dixit: Could you please (technically) summarize what needs to be done from listmaster side? 1. Remove whatever debian-ports@l.d.o is right now 2. Create a new debian-ports@l.d.o mailing list which works just like the other regular lists 3. Announce the new debian-ports@l.d.o so that people can subscribe to it; document that there is no longer an address to reach *all* ports but that people should eMail the individual ports’ lists (and cross-post if needed, but only to the amount needed), and that the new debian-ports@l.d.o instead is a mailing list for discussion about a) debian-ports.org infrastructure b) porting Debian in general c) questions related to setting up a Debian port, including wanna-build, buildd, etc. Thanks, //mirabilos -- Why don't you use JavaScript? I also don't like enabling JavaScript in Because I use lynx as browser. +1 -- Octavio Alvarez, me and ⡍⠁⠗⠊⠕ (Mario Lang) on debian-devel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsm.4.64l.1409101858240.4...@herc.mirbsd.org
Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
Hi, On 05/09/14 18:39, Steve McIntyre wrote: * Remove the confusion: turn debian-ports into a separate *normal* mailing list, announce it and let people subscribe to it [...] That sounds perfect IMHO. It could be used for general discussion about porting, upcoming new ports, or any ports that don't quite merit having their own mailing list yet. debian-cross-ports or debian-architectures or something. I'd prefer not to have it, or have to sign up to it as a porter. It'd probably get more spam than useful mail. I can't think of a reason to mail *all* ports that wouldn't be appropriate for debian-devel-announce; or if your mail only concerns a few ports it should be convenient to cross-post to the relevant ports' lists only. Regards, -- Steven Chamberlain ste...@pyro.eu.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/540a0bbb.3050...@pyro.eu.org
Re: Time to change the debian-ports list?
Steven Chamberlain dixit: On 05/09/14 18:39, Steve McIntyre wrote: * Remove the confusion: turn debian-ports into a separate *normal* mailing list, announce it and let people subscribe to it [...] That sounds perfect IMHO. It could be used for general discussion about porting, upcoming new ports, or any ports that don't quite merit having their own mailing list yet. Agreed, all that plus the dpo infrastructure, buildd and wanna-build related setup (possibly for both dpo and the main archive), etc. debian-cross-ports or debian-architectures or something. I'd prefer not to have it, or have to sign up to it as a porter. It'd probably get more spam than useful mail. Agree. I can't think of a reason to mail *all* ports that wouldn't be appropriate for debian-devel-announce; or if your mail only concerns a few ports it should be convenient to cross-post to the relevant ports' lists only. Fully agree. bye, //mirabilos -- gcc ncal.c: In function 'parsemonth': warning: comparison between pointer and integer • mirabilos ↑ hab da „in function parselmouth“ gelesen Natureshadow ICH AUCH! • Natureshadow Ich hab gerade gedacht Häh? Wie, hab da parselmouth gelesen ... steht da doch auch :o? -- too much fanfic… -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-alpha-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pine.bsm.4.64l.1409051936000.7...@herc.mirbsd.org
