Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
[..] I agree that's a potential challenge to Debian's democratic structure if the community process is bypassed whenver it suits the company concerned. The rebranding of Debian you describe has been going on for some time, since the launch of Lindows at least, I'd say. Back in Corel Linux was the first, I think. the late 90's I remember several thinly-disguised Red Hat rip-offs - all gone now. Cheers Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a RAID system
On (31/01/05 22:11), SpikeyGG wrote: I'm new to the raid thing in linux (and fairly new to linux also). My router for the last year or so has been a old PIII 600MHz running slackware... Anyway, after doing some research I decided to build a home-theater PC using an Athlon 64 3200+ with pure64 as a base. I purchased an MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum (939pin deal) and I've got it currently installing (about 12% now), man it's slow. Getting to my point, I want to run a RAID1 (mirrored) array on my two SATA 250GB drives... I turned raid on in the bios for the two channels that I have the hard drives hooked up to but when I got to the partitioning section of the installation I was confused. The only way I could figure out how to get the raid going was to use the software raid function in the partition menu. Here's what I did, let me know if you see anything wrong with it. 1. Initialized the disks with a single partition, the size of the drive 2. Made the partition types on both drives for linux RAID option 3. Then iniatilized a multi-disk RAID1 array on the two partitions I set up for RAID 4. On the new RAID1 partition I created the root partition (/) Then finished and it's installing now... (about 15%, yay). Was I correct in setting this up as a software raid? Does the Nvidia chipset thingie take care of the raid or is it supposed to be a software thing? Could someone learn me the ways of raid? Thanks for all your help! -Greg Hi Greg I'm no expert but I configured two servers using HP's hardware raid configuration a couple of years back and didn't do anything in Debian to configure Raid. More recently, I set up two more servers using software raid1 (mdadm). I believe you either do one or the other, not both. FWIW the later two servers have SATA drives and I'm using 2.6.8-1-686 kernel. HTH Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
* Daniel James ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ha scritto: upwards. Providing high quality end-user support for that product is just a physical impossibility, even for a company the size of Microsoft. imho Microsoft lacks community cheers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
Hi Filippo, Providing high quality end-user support for that product is just a physical impossibility, even for a company the size of Microsoft. imho Microsoft lacks community I think they've admitted as much themselves - that's one aspect of free software they would love to be able to emulate. Windows users don't expect to help other users either - by their numbers alone, you would expect there to be a massive amount of user-made documentation available, but in my experience there's probably better quality and more detailed help available online for any of the popular Linux distributions. Cheers Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a RAID system
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 12:11:30PM +, Clive Menzies wrote: [snip] I'm no expert but I configured two servers using HP's hardware raid configuration a couple of years back and didn't do anything in Debian to configure Raid. More recently, I set up two more servers using software raid1 (mdadm). I believe you either do one or the other, not both. FWIW the later two servers have SATA drives and I'm using 2.6.8-1-686 kernel. You're describing hardware RAID handled by a dedicated piece of hardware (the SCSI controler), whereas he's describing software RAID handled by the kernel (soft only implementation). Seb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
Filippo Carone wrote: * Daniel James ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ha scritto: upwards. Providing high quality end-user support for that product is just a physical impossibility, even for a company the size of Microsoft. imho Microsoft lacks community I don't think so. The Microsoft Community(tm) differs from the FOSS-community, though. FOSS people will write docs, test betas, send patches, maintain projects and so forth. MS's community has 10% of what I would call helpers. These 10% of MS users are proficient in hardware, software, and MS Windows. They are the guys the nonproficient users use to call, when they got some new hardware and it doesn't work. Or whenever their Windows b0xen behaves oddly (...). Microsoft profits greatly from these helpers, since they give support for their own flawed software FOR FREE. Remember, Microsoft seeks profit, and these guys work for them for free. I used to be a helper, and within my family I still am. It's just too hard to tell dad No, I won't fix MS's shit, go open a support call. But I deny help with MS products to almost everybody else. I offer them to solve their problem by switching to Debian, however :) Regards, Johannes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a RAID system
On (01/02/05 13:35), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 12:11:30PM +, Clive Menzies wrote: [snip] I'm no expert but I configured two servers using HP's hardware raid configuration a couple of years back and didn't do anything in Debian to configure Raid. More recently, I set up two more servers using software raid1 (mdadm). I believe you either do one or the other, not both. FWIW the later two servers have SATA drives and I'm using 2.6.8-1-686 kernel. You're describing hardware RAID handled by a dedicated piece of hardware (the SCSI controler), whereas he's describing software RAID handled by the kernel (soft only implementation). Hi Seb I'm not sure I understand...he said: I turned raid on in the bios for the two channels that I have the hard drives hooked up to but when I got to the partitioning section of the installation I was confused. The only way I could figure out how to get the raid going was to use the software raid function in the partition menu. If he turned on Raid in the BIOS, is that not Hardware Raid? When I installed software Raid1 on those two servers recently, I didn't implement anything in the BIOS, it was all done in Debian. Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netinstall fails to detect SATA disk.
Dale E. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm typing this on a Shuttle SN95G5 running 2.6.8 with (only) an SATA hard drive. I don't believe I did anything special - the SATA just worked... (I used the sid-amd64-netinst.iso image.) Let me know if there's any other info I can provide that would be of help. Yes, what version of the iso image did you use? Thanks, Morten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Suspend
Hi I'm wondering if anyone had successful tests in suspending the pc. I'm more interested in standby/suspend to ram than in suspend to disk. I can put to sleep my Asus A2K with the echo ... command, but then there's no way to wake it up. I tried pressing every button on the pc but stays in sleep forever. Also a friend of mine with a different Asus has the same problem. Is it a problem of Asus or acpi? thanks maxxer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
A Dimarts 01 Febrer 2005 14:03, Johannes Klug va escriure: Filippo Carone wrote: * Daniel James ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ha scritto: upwards. Providing high quality end-user support for that product is just a physical impossibility, even for a company the size of Microsoft. imho Microsoft lacks community I don't think so. The Microsoft Community(tm) differs from the FOSS-community, though. FOSS people will write docs, test betas, send patches, maintain projects and so forth. MS's community has 10% of what I would call helpers. These 10% of MS users are proficient in hardware, software, and MS Windows. They are the guys the nonproficient users use to call, when they got some new hardware and it doesn't work. Or whenever their Windows b0xen behaves oddly (...). Microsoft profits greatly from these helpers, since they give support for their own flawed software FOR FREE. Remember, Microsoft seeks profit, and these guys work for them for free. I used to be a helper, and within my family I still am. It's just too hard to tell dad No, I won't fix MS's shit, go open a support call. But I deny help with MS products to almost everybody else. I offer them to solve their problem by switching to Debian, however :) Regards, Johannes Reading this, I could't avoid to mention this document: http://pinsa.escomposlinux.org/sromero/linux/pringao/techslacky.html and their final sentence: Remember, don't be Microsoft's technical support! this sentence have to be marked in our the face of ALL of us that have suffer this. I enjoy a lot mere and feel better doing the same but with Debian/Linux. regards -- -- Linux User 152692 Catalonia -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a RAID system
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 01:24:15PM +, Clive Menzies wrote: I'm not sure I understand...he said: I turned raid on in the bios for the two channels that I have the hard drives hooked up to but when I got to the partitioning section of the installation I was confused. The only way I could figure out how to get the raid going was to use the software raid function in the partition menu. If he turned on Raid in the BIOS, is that not Hardware Raid? No it isn't. It is proprietary software raid managed by a bios extension and custom drivers (once the OS and drivers take over from the bios). It is entirely done in software. When I installed software Raid1 on those two servers recently, I didn't implement anything in the BIOS, it was all done in Debian. As it should be. Better to use open software raid than someone's secret proprietary software raid that won't work if you have to move to a new motherboard later. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netinstall fails to detect SATA disk.
Yes, what version of the iso image did you use? Actually, it looks like I used the sarge net installer, not the sid net installer. It (f1.txt) says its from 20050112, although some of the files in the top level have dates of 20050115 if that means anything. As I said before, this version wouldn't load some of the modules, including the marvel driver. (I didn't try -f though!) But it loaded the nvidia sata driver fine, and once it rebooted it also loaded the ethernet driver fine. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://the-martins.org/~dmartin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libgjc*
Hi please where is the libgjc* ? apt-cache found it but apt-get give 404 error ? (on different mirrors) thank -- Philippe Amelant [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
libgjc*
Hi please where is the libgjc* ? apt-cache found it but apt-get give 404 error ? (on different mirrors) thank -- Philippe Amelant [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Philippe [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a RAID system
On (01/02/05 08:34), Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 01:24:15PM +, Clive Menzies wrote: I'm not sure I understand...he said: I turned raid on in the bios for the two channels that I have the hard drives hooked up to but when I got to the partitioning section of the installation I was confused. The only way I could figure out how to get the raid going was to use the software raid function in the partition menu. If he turned on Raid in the BIOS, is that not Hardware Raid? No it isn't. It is proprietary software raid managed by a bios extension and custom drivers (once the OS and drivers take over from the bios). It is entirely done in software. When I installed software Raid1 on those two servers recently, I didn't implement anything in the BIOS, it was all done in Debian. As it should be. Better to use open software raid than someone's secret proprietary software raid that won't work if you have to move to a new motherboard later. Thanks and to Hugo ;) When I feel energetic I might go back and reinstall the two original servers running H/W Raid but they have been running fine over the last two years and the machines are pretty old (HP LHPros 8 years) and so it is more likely they'll be replaced. Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
suggestions for a 64 bit laptop?
Hello, I am a happy pure64 user on the desktop, and I would like to get a 64 bit laptop/desktop replacement as well. However, it looks like the models with large displays (15, more than 1280x1024) are only available with Intel 32 bit cpus (e.g. Dell), and vice versa. Any suggestions for a good Athlon64 laptop with a large display? Possibly one which is _known_ to work well with pure64? Thanks, bye Giacomo -- _ Giacomo Mulas [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ OSSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO DI CAGLIARI Str. 54, Loc. Poggio dei Pini * 09012 Capoterra (CA) Tel. (OAC): +39 070 71180 248 Fax : +39 070 71180 222 Tel. (UNICA): +39 070 675 4916 _ When the storms are raging around you, stay right where you are (Freddy Mercury) _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Suspend
I've got a BrandX-laptop and have the same problem. The fan and the hdd spin up and that's it. The screen is forever black and the nic doesn't work too. This is a known problem, but right now I can't remember the suggested fix. Google around a bit, you will find it. maxxer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still confused about pure64 package changelogs
* Javier Kohen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I guess he wants to know before installing the package. Synaptic has the feature he wants but, as he said, sometimes it takes a while (hours, days?) until some changelogs are updated. However, it usually works great and it was something many of us were hoping would be added to Debian. apt-listchanges shows you before the packages are installed and then prompts you asking if you want to continue installing packages or not... Stephen signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: suggestions for a 64 bit laptop?
I don't have any good advice but I can tell my very very bad experience with an HP amd64 laptop. I have an hardware problem with it (in the bios I have the message No ide device detected sometimes and the PC can't boot) and HP insist to tell me that it's because I have linux install on it. There are other problem with ACPI not possible (but I think it's a problem with the CPU AMD 3400+), the wireless card can work only with ndiswrapper so you can forget the pure AMD64 installation. If some people have some advice for a good laptop with AMD64 with linux support on it that can be interesting. Nicolas Giacomo Mulas wrote: Hello, I am a happy pure64 user on the desktop, and I would like to get a 64 bit laptop/desktop replacement as well. However, it looks like the models with large displays (15, more than 1280x1024) are only available with Intel 32 bit cpus (e.g. Dell), and vice versa. Any suggestions for a good Athlon64 laptop with a large display? Possibly one which is _known_ to work well with pure64? Thanks, bye Giacomo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for a 64 bit laptop?
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 03:16:27PM +0100, Giacomo Mulas wrote: Hello, I am a happy pure64 user on the desktop, and I would like to get a 64 bit laptop/desktop replacement as well. However, it looks like the models with large displays (15, more than 1280x1024) are only available with Intel 32 bit cpus (e.g. Dell), and vice versa. Any suggestions for a good Athlon64 laptop with a large display? Possibly one which is _known_ to work well with pure64? Well I have seen many laptops with 1280x800 displays (15.4 WXGA) with Athlon 64 chips. My wife has a Compaq R3240. She hasn't really played much with linux on it yet (too much time working on assignments instead, and accessing a stupid website that requires webct and realaudio and such). It does have the typical problem of support for the wireless network, which is a broadcom 802.11g chip, which of course doesn't have an open source driver, so as far as I know the only way to use it is through ndiswrapper or driver loader, which supposedly know does support 64bit linux although we haven't tried yet. Everything else is, from what I have read, fully supported, nvidia video chip, nforce 250 chipset, dvd writer, etc. I suspect the media card reader that is built in might not work though, but firewire and usb should, as should audio. The main thing to consider really seems to be the video chip, the wireless network, and the modem if you intend to use it. The modem will be a winmodem, so getting that to work could be a nightmare especially in 64bit mode. The wireless network is often broadcom and hence not directly supported. The video chip is normally nvidia or ati, with the nvidia much better supported than the ati, especially in 64bit linux. Unfortunately I don't know of any perfect A64 laptop with entirely supported hardware. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: libgjc*
Le mardi 01 février 2005 à 14:28 +0100, Philippe Amelant a écrit : Hi please where is the libgjc* ? apt-cache found it but apt-get give 404 error ? (on different mirrors) Don't you simply mean libgcj* ? thank -- Philippe Amelant [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for a 64 bit laptop?
I have an Asus A2K. I had troubles with the modem, now supported by Linuxant. The integrated wifi is a Broadcomm, now supported by Ndiswrapper and Driverloader. The PCMCIA slot was the hardest one, as I experienced the same problems of some Compaq R3000 laptops. It's fixable with a setpci or a kernel patch (...). The video card is an Ati, so as said before their support to linux and/or amd64 is worse than Nvidia's. I still haven't tried s-video out, but I guess it won't work. Btw it's just a 15. maxxer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Building a RAID system
Title: Re: Re: Building a RAID system That's perfect I got it working. Last night around 11:30pm, I disabled the RAID in the BIOS and as soon as I did that linux RAID took over and worked. I understand now the difference between the three types of RAID. 1. Hardware, a specific card you buy (expensive) that has hardware for deciding what data goes on which disk. 2. Firmware/Software, options in BIOS to enable raid just configure the RAID arrays and proprietary software running on top uses the firmware settings and makes the magic happen. 3. Software, RAID controlled and configured completely by software. I was screwing it up by trying to run half of 2 and all of 3. Thanks for all the help! -Greg
Re: Still confused about pure64 package changelogs
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Re: suggestions for a 64 bit laptop?
FWIW I have had very few problems with my Ferrari 3200. (And its pretty ;) ..) Haven't tried the internal modem, but the ethernet works like a champ, ndiswrapper now supports the wifi (using it now) without issues, and the LCD is nice and crisp (1400x1050). AFAIK no 3d support, but thats an issue in most amd64 setups. (And it uses the mobile amd64, instead of the low power one, so it gets passable battery life.) Oh. And no pcmcia problems. On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:59:54 +0100, Lorenzo Milesi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have an Asus A2K. I had troubles with the modem, now supported by Linuxant. The integrated wifi is a Broadcomm, now supported by Ndiswrapper and Driverloader. The PCMCIA slot was the hardest one, as I experienced the same problems of some Compaq R3000 laptops. It's fixable with a setpci or a kernel patch (...). The video card is an Ati, so as said before their support to linux and/or amd64 is worse than Nvidia's. I still haven't tried s-video out, but I guess it won't work. Btw it's just a 15. maxxer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Disconnect [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotontheinter.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for a 64 bit laptop?
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 10:36:21AM -0500, Disconnect wrote: FWIW I have had very few problems with my Ferrari 3200. (And its pretty ;) ..) Haven't tried the internal modem, but the ethernet works like a champ, ndiswrapper now supports the wifi (using it now) without issues, and the LCD is nice and crisp (1400x1050). AFAIK no 3d support, but thats an issue in most amd64 setups. (And it uses the mobile amd64, instead of the low power one, so it gets passable battery life.) I think the 3 hours the Compaq R3240 gets is pretty decent for an Athlon 64 3200. And from what I have seen 3D support is working great if you have an nvidia chip. Having looked at the specs of the 'Ferrari' I personally thought it was a pathetic design to put that name on. They didn't even use the fastest mobile athlon 64, or a video chip with 64bit support (even in windows). And calling something with a 2800 cpu a 3200 model is a great way to confuse (or potentially trick) customers. It sure is pretty though. I guess they got one thing right. Well a multiformat DVD writer might count as getting two things right. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for a 64 bit laptop?
Hello, I bought an ASUS L5000D 6 month ago, and it works well. The only minor issue is the winmodem, but I'm sure now the Linuxant driver can recognize it. I've written a web page to explain how I installed Debian on it: http://doodoo.darktech.org/L5D Regards, greg -- http://www.livretdulibre.org/html-ed2/livret_libre.html -- Original Message --- From: Giacomo Mulas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org Sent: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 15:16:27 +0100 (CET) Subject: suggestions for a 64 bit laptop? Hello, I am a happy pure64 user on the desktop, and I would like to get a 64 bit laptop/desktop replacement as well. However, it looks like the models with large displays (15, more than 1280x1024) are only available with Intel 32 bit cpus (e.g. Dell), and vice versa. Any suggestions for a good Athlon64 laptop with a large display? Possibly one which is _known_ to work well with pure64? Thanks, bye Giacomo -- _ Giacomo Mulas [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ OSSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO DI CAGLIARI Str. 54, Loc. Poggio dei Pini * 09012 Capoterra (CA) Tel. (OAC): +39 070 71180 248 Fax : +39 070 71180 222 Tel. (UNICA): +39 070 675 4916 _ When the storms are raging around you, stay right where you are (Freddy Mercury) _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- End of Original Message --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for a 64 bit laptop?
On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:45:28 -0500, Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 10:36:21AM -0500, Disconnect wrote: FWIW I have had very few problems with my Ferrari 3200. (And its pretty ;) ..) Haven't tried the internal modem, but the ethernet works like a champ, ndiswrapper now supports the wifi (using it now) without issues, and the LCD is nice and crisp (1400x1050). AFAIK no 3d support, but thats an issue in most amd64 setups. (And it uses the mobile amd64, instead of the low power one, so it gets passable battery life.) I think the 3 hours the Compaq R3240 gets is pretty decent for an Athlon 64 3200. And from what I have seen 3D support is working great if you have an nvidia chip. Having looked at the specs of the 'Ferrari' I personally thought it was a pathetic design to put that name on. They didn't even use the fastest mobile athlon 64, or a video chip with 64bit support (even in windows). And calling something with a 2800 cpu a 3200 model is a great way to confuse (or potentially trick) customers. About the same here, at least under Linux. (Using ondemand or cpudynd, haven't tried it all-out.) I haven't used nvidia since way way back when it was a total disaster, so I can't speak there. As far as the specs, bear in mind the 3200 has been out for quite a while. It used the -first- mobile athlon 64 chip and at the time, was the only one to do so. (Well.. there was a company in China supposedly making them. Never found details.) The 'low power' chips went faster, but they were basically desktop chips with an 800mhz 'powersave' setting. (Want to talk battery life..? Many of those were 1.5 hours 'real world', 2 hours on paper..) On a similar vein, when it shipped XP64 didn't have -any- drivers beyond basic keyboard/mouse/ethernet. (Haven't tried it, but looking at ATI's driver page reveals a driver for XP-64 and the radeon 9600.) The new one is the 3400. Haven't looked at the specs recently, so I can't speak for it. (And rereading the original post, he asked for known-working machines with larger displays. This qualifies. Probably the 3400 does as well.) Talking about how its outdated -now- is like pointing at someone's 8 year old desktop-turned-firewall (or desktop-turned-doorstop) and saying it sucks, cost too much, etc. It sure is pretty though. I guess they got one thing right. Well a multiformat DVD writer might count as getting two things right. Works like a champ. -- Disconnect [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotontheinter.net/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Ubuntu with AMD64 Support
Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: Remember, don't be Microsoft's technical support! That's exactly the point. People EXPECT you do give them free support if you've done it once. What they don't realise is that customers pay the company I work at up to 100 per hour for my work. They do not see that this is hard and worthy work. I don't expect the local garage to change my tooth belt for free, either. (They charge 400 for that ... screw Volkswagen!) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a RAID system
On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 07:55:37AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's perfect... I got it working. Last night around 11:30pm, I disabled the RAID in the BIOS and as soon as I did that linux RAID took over and worked. I understand now the difference between the three types of RAID. 1. Hardware, a specific card you buy (expensive) that has hardware for deciding what data goes on which disk. 2. Firmware/Software, options in BIOS to enable raid just configure the RAID arrays and proprietary software running on top uses the firmware settings and makes the magic happen. 3. Software, RAID controlled and configured completely by software. I was screwing it up by trying to run half of 2 and all of 3. Thanks for all the help! -Greg Hum, I think that the 2- does not exists. The software option in bios is to configure the hardware RAID controler. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a RAID system
to be thorough, silicon image has drivers (they claim work) on their website to do the psuedo raid, but i was never able to get them to work. they probly work with the default suse/redhat kernels. they also talk about a toothfairy api, and a easter bunny i2c device, but i had trouble locating both of them. patrick Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 05:47:17PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hum, I think that the 2- does not exists. The software option in bios is to configure the hardware RAID controler. It isn't a hardware raid controller though. Promise, and Sil3114 and HPT and such put on a desktop motherboard are NOT hardware raid. They are plain simply ide chips that happen to have a bios that can do raid 0 and 1 while providing the standard bios drive calls to emulate a single disk where in fact multiple disks are used. Once the OS loads the custom drivers they talk to the bios, get the raid setup layout, and take over the job of running the drives in a raid layout, entirely in software. There is not raid hardware involved, just an ide controller chip with a custom bios program to get the system booted from the software raid. Lennart Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Building a RAID system
On (01/02/05 09:16), Lennart Sorensen wrote: To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org From: Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 09:16:50 -0500 Subject: Re: Building a RAID system On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 02:03:32PM +, Clive Menzies wrote: When I feel energetic I might go back and reinstall the two original servers running H/W Raid but they have been running fine over the last two years and the machines are pretty old (HP LHPros 8 years) and so it is more likely they'll be replaced. If they have real hardware raid, might as well use it. It is simpler. The ones to avoid are the integrated into generic motherboards raid which is simply a driver/bios trick that implements raid in software. It doesn't have an xor/comparison engine in hardware doing the real work. If your raid card is less than $100 (or maybe even $200) it is probably proprietary software raid. If you have a fast CPU and nothing to do with it on your server in general, software raid is often faster than hardware raid (on linux at least). I know I saw a performance drop in read/write speed when going from software md1 to an IBM serveraid 4M using the same drives in a P3 733. Did free up the cpu to do other things though and the machine had more need for cpu than disk I/O. Hi Len The LHPros seem to be a dedicated Raid servers and from memory had some fairly fancy RAID configuration tools (I'd been given one and picked up the other dirt cheap). At my then state of relative ignorance it seemed sensible to use what was available; I'd only done a couple of mac desktop installs up until then. When, late last year we had to spec and set up a couple of low cost servers with Raid, software raid using mdadm seemed and proved to be the way to go. Apart from a couple of kernel related glitches, it was pretty straightforward. Thanks for the info Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for a 64 bit laptop?
Lennart's notes also apply to the E-machines / Gateway series. Having said that, we're quite happy with our half dozen machines. Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 03:16:27PM +0100, Giacomo Mulas wrote: Hello, I am a happy pure64 user on the desktop, and I would like to get a 64 bit laptop/desktop replacement as well. However, it looks like the models with large displays (15, more than 1280x1024) are only available with Intel 32 bit cpus (e.g. Dell), and vice versa. Any suggestions for a good Athlon64 laptop with a large display? Possibly one which is _known_ to work well with pure64? Well I have seen many laptops with 1280x800 displays (15.4 WXGA) with Athlon 64 chips. My wife has a Compaq R3240. She hasn't really played much with linux on it yet (too much time working on assignments instead, and accessing a stupid website that requires webct and realaudio and such). It does have the typical problem of support for the wireless network, which is a broadcom 802.11g chip, which of course doesn't have an open source driver, so as far as I know the only way to use it is through ndiswrapper or driver loader, which supposedly know does support 64bit linux although we haven't tried yet. Everything else is, from what I have read, fully supported, nvidia video chip, nforce 250 chipset, dvd writer, etc. I suspect the media card reader that is built in might not work though, but firewire and usb should, as should audio. The main thing to consider really seems to be the video chip, the wireless network, and the modem if you intend to use it. The modem will be a winmodem, so getting that to work could be a nightmare especially in 64bit mode. The wireless network is often broadcom and hence not directly supported. The video chip is normally nvidia or ati, with the nvidia much better supported than the ati, especially in 64bit linux. Unfortunately I don't know of any perfect A64 laptop with entirely supported hardware. Len Sorensen -- Alexander R Perry GE Infrastructure, Security Center of Excellence for Magnetics Group Leader, Advanced Systems T 858 605 5514 F 858 605 5501 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W http://www.gesecurity.com/ 15175 Innovation Drive San Diego, CA, 92128, USA Quantum Magnetics, Inc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for a 64 bit laptop?
On (01/02/05 15:16), Giacomo Mulas wrote: Hello, I am a happy pure64 user on the desktop, and I would like to get a 64 bit laptop/desktop replacement as well. However, it looks like the models with large displays (15, more than 1280x1024) are only available with Intel 32 bit cpus (e.g. Dell), and vice versa. Any suggestions for a good Athlon64 laptop with a large display? Possibly one which is _known_ to work well with pure64? I've had my Acer Aspire 1524WLMi just three weeks and it's just about fully configured (for me anyway) - I haven't tried the modem or wireless. Downsides: shortish battery life c.2hrs which doesn't bother me 'cos it's more of a portable workstation (of awesome power) than a road warrior's laptop. On balance, I think it's a brilliant piece of kit ;) -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still confused about pure64 package changelogs
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 04:04:14PM -0800, Larry Doolittle wrote: Let me assure everyone before I start that I'm really happy with debain pure64. Fast and solid. Most of the time, when I see a package ready to download with apt-get upgrade, I can go to packages.debian.org, and find out what changed and why. Every now and then, that doesn't work. Today, for instance, I see netbase is ready to upgrade, from version 4.19 to version 4.20. The trouble is, looking at packages.debian.org, the changelog only goes up to 4.19. Now, netbase is kind of an important package, and I'd like a way to read about the changes before I load it up. It seems to be there now? Maybe they're just slow in updating it? Another particular example is kernel-image-2.6.10-9-amd64-k8, which doesn't even show up on packages.debian.org. In that case, I downloaded the source package, and buried in there I did indeed find a changelog that appeared up-to-date (although with a typo in it). This is one of the excpetion of packages that are first uploaded to the amd64 archive and only later to the debian archive. It's stuck in NEW for some time now. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still confused about pure64 package changelogs
Thanks, everyone, for your comments! On Tue, Feb 01, 2005 at 06:56:36PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 04:04:14PM -0800, Larry Doolittle wrote: Today, for instance, I see netbase is ready to upgrade, from version 4.19 to version 4.20. The trouble is, looking at packages.debian.org, the changelog only goes up to 4.19. It seems to be there now? Maybe they're just slow in updating it? I guess. Yes, I see it there now, too. My point is that there was a window where the update was available but the documentation was not. My first and best reason to run Linux (since 1992) is reliability. If there isn't a perfect match between the update and packages.debian.org, that isn't the primary source of information about updates, and I want to know what is. Another particular example is kernel-image-2.6.10-9-amd64-k8, which doesn't even show up on packages.debian.org. This is one of the excpetion of packages that are first uploaded to the amd64 archive and only later to the debian archive. It's stuck in NEW for some time now. Can anyone elaborate on this comment? Who controls and/or where is the master list of such packages, and how can we mere users find out what's going on with them? To the several people who pointed me to apt-listchanges: yes, that sure looks like what I want. I don't mind downloading new .deb files first, as long as I can find out what's in them before installing. It looks (from the man page) like apt-listchanges is designed to slide into apt-get somehow. Google found a few pages suggesting that connection is supposed to happen automagically in the install, but it didn't for me. Well, maybe it tried: right after it ran apt-listbugs (also new on my system [*], I ran into suggestions to run it as well as apt-listchanges), I do see the line Reading changelogs... Done but nothing came out. You can probably tell I haven't used Debian for very long: only about six months. I hope it's the last distribution I have to learn! - Larry [*] It sure would be nice if all these system tools were written in the same language. Pulling in apt-listbugs had the side effect of pulling in ruby and friends. Do we really need a copy of every scripting language on the planet just to administer a debian system? signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Netinstall fails to detect SATA disk.
Hello, I had this kind of behavior (sata disk detected but not responding), with netinst and 2.6.10. My solution was in the BIOS. I had to disable all kind of ide detection on empty slots and since then it worked perfectly. I explain: I have an ide disk master on ide0 (no slave), an ide DVD-ROM master on ide1 (no slave), one sata disk on ide2 and no sata disk on ide3. If I prevent the bios from detecting anyway on ide0/slave, ide1/slave and ide3, all is fine ! Hope this helps, GoM Le 1 févr. 05, à 04:01, Dale E. Martin a écrit : I don't know why it is not working with this debian-installer. It seems to me that the modules sata_nv and libata are loaded, but maybe I need others? A bug in kernel 2.6.[789] prevent disk from responding if attached to the nforce SATA port. You've been bitten by this bug. Symptoms are : quering the SATA port finds something, but the query of the diks times out. 2.6.10 works ok. I'm typing this on a Shuttle SN95G5 running 2.6.8 with (only) an SATA hard drive. I don't believe I did anything special - the SATA just worked... (I used the sid-amd64-netinst.iso image.) Let me know if there's any other info I can provide that would be of help. Take care, Dale -- Dale E. Martin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://the-martins.org/~dmartin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP.sig Description: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ceci_est_une_signature_=E9lectronique_PGP?=
ECS kv2 mother board
Hi All Looking to get hold of a 64 system and a locla shop has the ECS kv2 Extreme on special and comes with most of what i want, just wondering if anyones had any experience with them or know of an woes? I've had a search for the board but havent found anything useful from google search or site:debian.org search. tP Bit more spec VIA K8T800 Pro and VT 8237 north/South chipsets Realtek ALC 655 6 channel would really like a working sound card but will drop a another in if its the only thing. Marvell 88E8001 VIA 6103L Network ports -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Still confused about pure64 package changelogs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Larry Doolittle wrote: | It looks (from the man page) like apt-listchanges is designed to slide | into apt-get somehow. Google found a few pages suggesting that connection | is supposed to happen automagically in the install, but it didn't for me. | Well, maybe it tried: right after it ran apt-listbugs (also new on my | system [*], I ran into suggestions to run it as well as apt-listchanges), | I do see the line | Reading changelogs... Done | but nothing came out. Use dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges to set the application to show/mail you the changelogs. Despite what the manpage says, the Debian default is to only show you the changes in the NEWS.Debian file and not in changelog.Debian. Greetings, - -- Javier Kohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: blashyrkh #2361802 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB/+Sc823633cP2P8RAuezAJ0fj3do8OzfGj6lMY9B+tlE3usDOQCfeA7P d7D1ONhhb7Gz8loOZek8vYY= =TLbl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AMD64 Netinstall
Yesterday, I installed amd64/pure64 with no problem. Unhappy this a few side matter, I decided to reinstall it. Today, after a clean boot, good connection to debian.inode.at, the installer is telling me there is no partitionable media in the computer. So I tried: To get it empty with debian install floppy To partion it with the same, and with some Bill Gates staff, I got the same result with amd64. Any idea what happend between yesterday and today? Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: suggestions for a 64 bit laptop?
On 01 Feb 2005, Alex Perry wrote: Lennart's notes also apply to the E-machines / Gateway series. Having said that, we're quite happy with our half dozen machines. It's also worth mentioning that earlier produced machines based on the Arima W730-K8 DTR design usually require a BIOS update which is almost impossible to get directly from the manufacturer. I'm running on the eMachine M6805 currently using the M6811 BIOS 0F07.P00 available from: --- http://www.rmecc.com/~v2/em/ Before upgrading, I had to disable ACPI, APIC, etc. to get the laptop to boot without freezing. With the newer BIOS, everything works as expected. And with the possible exception of the modem, everything seems to be supported at this point finally. The ATI driver is brand new, so all the normal warnings apply. As for me, I'm also waiting for a newer, faster laptop based around an Athlon 64. Something with the mobile ATI X800 or nVidia mobile 6800 preferably, but I'm not holding my breath. After the Arima machine came out, no one seemed to want to do anything else with the idea. Maybe once Windows 64 comes out there will be more interest from the hardware manufacturers. -- Mark Nippere-contacts: Computing and Information Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] Texas AM Universityhttp://ops.tamu.edu/nipsy/ College Station, TX 77843-3142 AIM/Yahoo: texasnipsy ICQ: 66971617 (979)575-3193 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GG/IT d- s++:+ a- C++$ UBL$ P---+++ L+++$ !E--- W++(--) N+ o K++ w(---) O++ M V(--) PS+++(+) PE(--) Y+ PGP t+ 5 X R tv b+++@ DI+(++) D+ G e h r++ y+(**) --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- ---begin random quote of the moment--- If the American People ever allow the banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied. The issuing power of money should be taken from the bankers and restored to Congress and the people to whom it belongs. I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies. We are completely saddled and bridled, and the bank is so firmly mounted on us that we must go where they ill guide. The dominion which the banking institutions have obtained over the minds of our citizens... must be broken, or it will break us. -- President Thomas Jefferson in a letter to James Monroe, 1 Jan 1815 end random quote of the moment -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
