question about AMD64 HOWTO

2005-04-21 Thread Jonathan Kaye
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I'm slowly working up the courage to rip out my beautifully functioning
Sarge 2.6.8 and install Amd64. I've been reading the AMD64 Howto over
and over until I get the feeling I know what I'm doing. In the howto I see:
==
Installing into a chroot
Before you start
Before you start bootstrapping the pure64 port into a chroot, make sure
you are already running a 64bit kernel, or boot from a Debian-Installer
CD in order to accomplish the following steps.
If you already have an existing i386 Debian installation, you can
install the amd64 kernels found in the archive.
=
Does the existing i386 Debian installation mean for example, my Sarge?
the amd64 kernels found in the archive. Which archive? On the i386
Debian installation? (surely not), on the CD? on the sources.list via
aptitude?
Thanks for your help,
Jonathan
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Problem installing on nforce4 amd...

2005-04-21 Thread Lars Schimmer
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Hi!
I got the debian 64bit netinstaller from 10 of april 2005 yesterday and tried to
install.
I took the sid installer, btw.
But it couldn't install lilo or grub on my SATA HD on the asus A8NV nforce4
board. And without a bootloader linux won't start...
Any hints?
Cya  Thx
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Re: Problem installing on nforce4 amd...

2005-04-21 Thread A E Lawrence
Lars Schimmer wrote:
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Hi!
I got the debian 64bit netinstaller from 10 of april 2005 yesterday and 
tried to
install.
I took the sid installer, btw.
But it couldn't install lilo or grub on my SATA HD on the asus A8NV nforce4
board. And without a bootloader linux won't start...
This is likely to be a disc enumeration problem. Look in the archives 
for similar reports and a solution.

Are you quite sure that you told the installer to write to the right 
hard disc/partition? The installer and the installed system may disagree 
about the identity of root.

ael
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a lot of broken packages in apt

2005-04-21 Thread Andrei Mikhailovsky
Hello debian users,

I am using pure64/sid. For the past week or so I am experiencing
upgrading problems. A lot of packages are not being updated due to
dependency issues. Is there a known problem that hasn't been fixed?

here is what happens when i do apt-get update:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# apt-get upgrade 
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  apache2 apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils cupsys
cupsys-bsd cupsys-client exim4-base exim4-daemon-light gpm libapr0
  libc6 libc6-dev libcupsimage2 libcupsys2-dev libcupsys2-gnutls10
libgpmg1 libnspr-dev libnspr4 libnss-dev libnss3 libscrollkeeper0
  locales mozilla-browser mozilla-dev mozilla-firefox
mozilla-firefox-gnome-support mozilla-psm nscd
openoffice.org-debian-files
  pkg-config planner scrollkeeper
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 33 not upgraded.



If I try doing dist-upgrade, apt is asking to uninstall base-files, bash
and a lot of other files that he shouldn't uninstall.

-

apt-get dist-upgrade 
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  base-files bash cupsomatic-ppd deborphan foomatic-db
foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-hpijs foomatic-filters
foomatic-filters-ppds gnome
  gnome-desktop-environment gnome-volume-manager hal hal-device-manager
hotplug libplanner1-0 mailx mkrboot mysql-server udev
The following packages have been kept back:
  openoffice.org-debian-files
The following packages will be upgraded:
  apache2 apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils cupsys
cupsys-bsd cupsys-client exim4-base exim4-daemon-light gpm libapr0
  libc6 libc6-dev libcupsimage2 libcupsys2-dev libcupsys2-gnutls10
libgpmg1 libnspr-dev libnspr4 libnss-dev libnss3 libscrollkeeper0
  locales mozilla-browser mozilla-dev mozilla-firefox
mozilla-firefox-gnome-support mozilla-psm nscd pkg-config planner
scrollkeeper
WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
  base-files bash
32 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 20 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/52.6MB of archives.
After unpacking 46.8MB disk space will be freed.
You are about to do something potentially harmful
To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
 ?] n
Abort.

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Does anyone know how to fix this?

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Re: question about AMD64 HOWTO

2005-04-21 Thread Clive Menzies
On (21/04/05 10:02), Jonathan Kaye wrote:
 I'm slowly working up the courage to rip out my beautifully functioning
 Sarge 2.6.8 and install Amd64. I've been reading the AMD64 Howto over
 and over until I get the feeling I know what I'm doing. In the howto I see:
 ==
 Installing into a chroot
 Before you start
 
 Before you start bootstrapping the pure64 port into a chroot, make sure
 you are already running a 64bit kernel, or boot from a Debian-Installer
 CD in order to accomplish the following steps.
 
 If you already have an existing i386 Debian installation, you can
 install the amd64 kernels found in the archive.
 =
 Does the existing i386 Debian installation mean for example, my Sarge?
 the amd64 kernels found in the archive. Which archive? On the i386
 Debian installation? (surely not), on the CD? on the sources.list via
 aptitude?
Hi Jonathan

I did a fresh amd64 install on a separate partition and then chrooted
the 32bit system.  However, my reading of the Howto suggests that you
can install a 64 chroot from your 32bit system.  Which means you won't
lose your current install.

All of the 64bit stuff is on the alioth mirror and you will need thatin
your sources.list to set up the chroot, I believe.

I've not done this but others may have ;)

Regards

Clive

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Re: a lot of broken packages in apt

2005-04-21 Thread Julien Tailleur
Andrei Mikhailovsky a écrit :
Hello debian users,
I am using pure64/sid. For the past week or so I am experiencing
upgrading problems. A lot of packages are not being updated due to
dependency issues. Is there a known problem that hasn't been fixed?
-
apt-get dist-upgrade 
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
 base-files bash cupsomatic-ppd deborphan foomatic-db
foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-hpijs foomatic-filters
foomatic-filters-ppds gnome
 gnome-desktop-environment gnome-volume-manager hal hal-device-manager
hotplug libplanner1-0 mailx mkrboot mysql-server udev
The following packages have been kept back:
 openoffice.org-debian-files
The following packages will be upgraded:
 apache2 apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils cupsys
cupsys-bsd cupsys-client exim4-base exim4-daemon-light gpm libapr0
 libc6 libc6-dev libcupsimage2 libcupsys2-dev libcupsys2-gnutls10
libgpmg1 libnspr-dev libnspr4 libnss-dev libnss3 libscrollkeeper0
 locales mozilla-browser mozilla-dev mozilla-firefox
mozilla-firefox-gnome-support mozilla-psm nscd pkg-config planner
scrollkeeper
WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
 base-files bash
32 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 20 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/52.6MB of archives.
After unpacking 46.8MB disk space will be freed.
You are about to do something potentially harmful
To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
?] n
Abort.

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Does anyone know how to fix this?
 

I don't know any way to fix this, but I have the same issue here. If you 
don't need exim, just uninstalled it and everything will be fined. If 
you need exim... Then I don't know.

I have uninstalled it, and am currently running
libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20.0.0.1.pure64
If I want to install exim4, it will upgrade libc6, and base-file depends to
libc6  2.3.2.ds1-20.0.0.1.pure64
which causes the trouble.
Hope it may help
Julien Tailleur
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Re: a lot of broken packages in apt

2005-04-21 Thread Martin Dickopp
Andrei Mikhailovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I am using pure64/sid. For the past week or so I am experiencing
 upgrading problems. A lot of packages are not being updated due to
 dependency issues. Is there a known problem that hasn't been fixed?

It could be the same problem that I recently had myself. See

http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/04/msg00619.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/04/msg00622.html

Martin


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Re: question about AMD64 HOWTO

2005-04-21 Thread David Hartveld
Clive Menzies wrote:
On (21/04/05 10:02), Jonathan Kaye wrote:
I'm slowly working up the courage to rip out my beautifully functioning
Sarge 2.6.8 and install Amd64. I've been reading the AMD64 Howto over
and over until I get the feeling I know what I'm doing. In the howto I see:
==
Installing into a chroot
Before you start
Before you start bootstrapping the pure64 port into a chroot, make sure
you are already running a 64bit kernel, or boot from a Debian-Installer
CD in order to accomplish the following steps.
If you already have an existing i386 Debian installation, you can
install the amd64 kernels found in the archive.
=
Does the existing i386 Debian installation mean for example, my Sarge?
the amd64 kernels found in the archive. Which archive? On the i386
Debian installation? (surely not), on the CD? on the sources.list via
aptitude?
Hi Jonathan
I did a fresh amd64 install on a separate partition and then chrooted
the 32bit system.  However, my reading of the Howto suggests that you
can install a 64 chroot from your 32bit system.  Which means you won't
lose your current install.
All of the 64bit stuff is on the alioth mirror and you will need thatin
your sources.list to set up the chroot, I believe.
I've not done this but others may have ;)
Regards
Clive
Hi all,
I've installed my current system by debootstrap'ing in a new 
partition/lvm logical volume.  You only need to run an x86_64 kernel (of 
course with 32-bit emulation enabled):

# apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8
Reboot and boot the new kernel, then run
# debootstrap --arch x86_64 {sarge,sid} $mountpoint $mirror
You'll need to copy some files over (like 
/etc/{fstab,hostname,hosts,...}, whichever you need.

Good luck,
David
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Re: question about AMD64 HOWTO

2005-04-21 Thread Jonathan Kaye
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En/La Clive Menzies ha escrit, a 21/04/05 12:00:
|
| Hi Jonathan
|
| I did a fresh amd64 install on a separate partition and then chrooted
| the 32bit system.  However, my reading of the Howto suggests that you
| can install a 64 chroot from your 32bit system.  Which means you won't
| lose your current install.
|
| All of the 64bit stuff is on the alioth mirror and you will need thatin
| your sources.list to set up the chroot, I believe.
|
| I've not done this but others may have ;)
|
| Regards
|
| Clive
|
Hi Clive,
Thanks for that. Yes, the more I read, the more it seems you can install
amd64 onto an i386 system. The next question is what becomes of the
existing system? Specifically, I don't see why the /home directory
should be effected. I have a ~/bin directory but it's just stuff I wrote
and compiled myself and can do so easily on Amd64. The /usr directories
should be toast so it's just a question of getting the same packages (to
the extent they exist) on the new amd64 sources.list given in the Howto.
It would be nice if someone with experience installing amd64 over a i386
installation could chime in here. I've got a bunch of binaries in /opt
but I'm aware of the issues (they either run in amd64 or a through them
in chroot). Advice most welcome.
Cheers,
Jonathan
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Re: question about AMD64 HOWTO

2005-04-21 Thread Jonathan Kaye
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En/La David Hartveld ha escrit, a 21/04/05 12:36:
|
| Hi Jonathan
|
| I did a fresh amd64 install on a separate partition and then chrooted
| the 32bit system.  However, my reading of the Howto suggests that you
| can install a 64 chroot from your 32bit system.  Which means you won't
| lose your current install.
|
| All of the 64bit stuff is on the alioth mirror and you will need thatin
| your sources.list to set up the chroot, I believe.
|
| I've not done this but others may have ;)
|
| Regards
|
| Clive
|
|
| Hi all,
|
| I've installed my current system by debootstrap'ing in a new
| partition/lvm logical volume.  You only need to run an x86_64 kernel (of
| course with 32-bit emulation enabled):
|
| # apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-amd64-k8
|
| Reboot and boot the new kernel, then run
|
| # debootstrap --arch x86_64 {sarge,sid} $mountpoint $mirror
|
| You'll need to copy some files over (like
| /etc/{fstab,hostname,hosts,...}, whichever you need.
|
| Good luck,
|
| David
|
Hi David,
Thanks for that. I have a lot of studying to do. New concepts here:
debootstrap, partition/lvm logical volume etc. I'll be back with more
questions I'm sure.
Thanks again,
Jonathan
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ASRock K8Upgrade-760GX Onboard Sound

2005-04-21 Thread Hugh Waite
Hi,
I have the ASRock K8Upgrade-760GX board which works fine, (although I 
don't use SATA). It did take me some time to get the sound working and 
that was because the Capture Monitor was enabled by default, muting the 
output.
Uses module snd-intel8x0 and comes up as C-Media Electronics CMI9761

My problem now is that I have no hardware volume control.
I am using gnome-alsamixer or alsamixer. The PCM mute toggle works but 
all the sliders have no effect. I can use software volume in XMMS but it 
has to be 10% to be reasonable.

Is it possible to get alsa to look in the right place for these mixer 
settings/devices?

Thanks
Hugh
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Re: a lot of broken packages in apt

2005-04-21 Thread Andrei Mikhailovsky
Uninstalling the exim4 didn't solve the issue, however downgrading
base-files has solved it.

here is how to do it:

apt-get install base-files=3.1.2

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On Thu, 2005-04-21 at 12:07 +0200, Julien Tailleur wrote:
 Andrei Mikhailovsky a crit :
 
 Hello debian users,
 
 I am using pure64/sid. For the past week or so I am experiencing
 upgrading problems. A lot of packages are not being updated due to
 dependency issues. Is there a known problem that hasn't been fixed?
 
 -
 
 apt-get dist-upgrade 
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 Building Dependency Tree... Done
 Calculating Upgrade... Done
 The following packages will be REMOVED:
   base-files bash cupsomatic-ppd deborphan foomatic-db
 foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-hpijs foomatic-filters
 foomatic-filters-ppds gnome
   gnome-desktop-environment gnome-volume-manager hal hal-device-manager
 hotplug libplanner1-0 mailx mkrboot mysql-server udev
 The following packages have been kept back:
   openoffice.org-debian-files
 The following packages will be upgraded:
   apache2 apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils cupsys
 cupsys-bsd cupsys-client exim4-base exim4-daemon-light gpm libapr0
   libc6 libc6-dev libcupsimage2 libcupsys2-dev libcupsys2-gnutls10
 libgpmg1 libnspr-dev libnspr4 libnss-dev libnss3 libscrollkeeper0
   locales mozilla-browser mozilla-dev mozilla-firefox
 mozilla-firefox-gnome-support mozilla-psm nscd pkg-config planner
 scrollkeeper
 WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed
 This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
   base-files bash
 32 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 20 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
 Need to get 0B/52.6MB of archives.
 After unpacking 46.8MB disk space will be freed.
 You are about to do something potentially harmful
 To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
  ?] n
 Abort.
 
 ---
 
 
 Does anyone know how to fix this?
   
 
 
 I don't know any way to fix this, but I have the same issue here. If you 
 don't need exim, just uninstalled it and everything will be fined. If 
 you need exim... Then I don't know.
 
 I have uninstalled it, and am currently running
 
 libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20.0.0.1.pure64
 
 If I want to install exim4, it will upgrade libc6, and base-file depends to
 
 libc6  2.3.2.ds1-20.0.0.1.pure64
 
 which causes the trouble.
 
 Hope it may help
 
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Re: ASRock K8Upgrade-760GX Onboard Sound

2005-04-21 Thread Sven Krahn
On 4/21/05, Hugh Waite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have the ASRock K8Upgrade-760GX board which works fine, (although I
 don't use SATA). It did take me some time to get the sound working and
 that was because the Capture Monitor was enabled by default, muting the
 output.
 Uses module snd-intel8x0 and comes up as C-Media Electronics CMI9761
 
 My problem now is that I have no hardware volume control.
 I am using gnome-alsamixer or alsamixer. The PCM mute toggle works but
 all the sliders have no effect. I can use software volume in XMMS but it
 has to be 10% to be reasonable.

I stumbled about the exact same issues about one year ago with SiS
7012 (CMedia 9739A) sound chip (also ASRock board). According to the
alsa-project mailing list (at that time) this seems to be a hardware
restriction. There was no resolution available, recommendation was to
install another sound card (e.g. SB). Therefore, I would also be
interested in a solution.

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apt-get upgrade warning

2005-04-21 Thread DR GAVIN SEDDON
Hi,
Originally I could not use apt-get in Sid, this looked like a library
conflict with chroot.  However, I migrated to Sarge and apt seems to be
working now.  It always tells me to run apt-get update though.  I do and
I always get
'W: Couldn't stat source package list http://bytekeeper.as28747.net
sarge/sarge Packages
(/var/lib/apt/lists/bytekeeper.as28747.net_amd64_alioth_debian-pure64_dists_sarge_sarge_binary-amd64_Packages)
 - stat (2 No such file or directory)
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old
ones used instead.'
I have ran the update about 10 times, the instruction is still there.
Need I remove this site from my sources.list and is this a problem?
Thanks
Gavin.



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Re: apt wants to remove bash

2005-04-21 Thread Theodore Kisner
See *many* posts to the list in the last few days.  You need to manually 
downgrade base-files.

-Ted

On Thursday 21 April 2005 06:55, Shawn D'Alimonte wrote:
 I am having a problem with upgrading.  Running apt-get upgrade doesn't
 upgrade most of the packages.  When I run dist-upgrade it wants to
 remove a lot of packages including bash.  Obviously, this is a problem.
Usually I use synaptic to do upgrades which results in the same
 behaviour.

 This has gone on for several days.  Is there an easy fix for this?  I
 think it is related to libc6.  Should I risk forcing it (and possibly
 not being able to reinstall bash, etc.)?

 dpkg -l libc6
 -
 ii  libc6  2.3.2.ds1-20.0 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and

 sources.lst
 ---

 deb http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64 sid main contrib non-free
 deb-src http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/pure64 sid main contrib
 non-free

 # Marillat
 deb http://cyberspace.ucla.edu/marillat/ unstable main
 deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
 deb-src ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main

 # CInelerra
 deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/athlonxp/ ./
 deb-src http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/sid/ ./


 Sample apt-get -u dist-upgrade run:
 ---

 pitr:~$ sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 Building Dependency Tree... Done
 Calculating Upgrade... Done
 The following packages will be REMOVED:
base-files bash deborphan fetchmail fetchmailconf foomatic-bin
 foomatic-db
foomatic-db-engine foomatic-db-gimp-print foomatic-db-hpijs
 foomatic-filters
foomatic-filters-ppds foomatic-gui gnome-desktop-environment
gnome-volume-manager hal hotplug mailx python-foomatic udev
 The following packages will be upgraded:
cupsys cupsys-bsd cupsys-client exim4-base exim4-daemon-light ffmpeg
 gocr gpm gtimer hdparm hpijs hplip hplip-data kmenc15 libavcodeccvs
 libbio2jack0
libc6 libc6-dev libcupsimage2 libcupsys2-gnutls10 libexpat1
 libexpat1-dev libgeos2 libgpmg1 libgpmg1-dev libnspr4 libnss3 liborbit0
 liborbit2 libpostproc0 libsane libscrollkeeper0 libsmbclient libswfdec0.3
 libzvbi-common libzvbi0 locales login mencoder mozilla mozilla-browser
 mozilla-mailnews mozilla-psm mplayer passwd pkg-config samba samba-common
 sane-utils scrollkeeper smbclient smbfs swf-player vorbis-tools WARNING:
 The following essential packages will be removed
 This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
base-files bash
 54 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 20 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
 Need to get 66.5MB of archives.
 After unpacking 51.0MB disk space will be freed.
 You are about to do something potentially harmful
 To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
   ?]

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Re: a lot of broken packages in apt

2005-04-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 10:53:59AM +0100, Andrei Mikhailovsky wrote:
 
 If I try doing dist-upgrade, apt is asking to uninstall base-files, bash
 and a lot of other files that he shouldn't uninstall.

Please downgrade base-files to version 3.1.2:

apt-get install base-files=3.1.2


Kurt


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Re: apt-get upgrade warning

2005-04-21 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 01:05:06PM +0100, DR GAVIN SEDDON wrote:
 Hi,
 Originally I could not use apt-get in Sid, this looked like a library
 conflict with chroot.  However, I migrated to Sarge and apt seems to be
 working now.  It always tells me to run apt-get update though.  I do and
 I always get
 'W: Couldn't stat source package list http://bytekeeper.as28747.net
 sarge/sarge Packages

sarge/sarge?

Could you please show your sources.list line?  I'm guessing
that's wrong and the second sarge should be main.


Kurt


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Include file problems

2005-04-21 Thread Ray Lanza
I'm trying to build xen on an x86_64 sid base and am having problems with
include file collisions.  I traced the problem to the inclusion of
asm/sigcontext.h and bits/sigcontext.h.  One of these gets sucked in as an
include from signal.h, the other as a result of including asm/elf.h. The
same stuff builds on a Redhat RHEL4 distro. 

thanks,
ray



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amd64 porters IRC meeting: preparations for sarge

2005-04-21 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello,

This is a reminder on the IRC meeting taking place on next 
saturday, April 23rd - the scedule was now set for 0700 UTC.

The meeting will take place in #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net. 


The agenda is as follows:

- the sarge release of debian-amd64

- patched versions of packages in sarge
  * patch D-I docs and choose-mirror for amd64? 

- security updates

- CD and DVD installation media
  * include i386 debs for a chroot on the CD/DVD set?

- Which combinations of sarge/testing/sid vs GCC versions ... to 
  continue running buildd's for.

- Should debian-amd64 actively push multiarch forward (to merge 
  i386 and amd64)? Should we have packages with matching names that 
  provide amd64 script wrappers for running chrooted i386 binaries ?

- future of debian-amd64-gcc-4.0 


Last-minute additions will be posted here:

http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/irc-meeting.txt


Everyone interested is invited to join.


Kind regards
Frederik Schueler

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Re: amd64 into mainstream

2005-04-21 Thread Matthias Julius
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes:

 woody is a perfectly good samba/nfs/apache/dns server.  Nothing wrong
 with the software in it.  A few years ago that software was state of the
 art, but now you think it is unusable?  Why?

Woody certainly is as good as it was 3 years ago.  Only with time and
availability of new features expectation changes.  Apache2 and PHP5
for example have some advantages.  And so have some other packages.

Who would want to buy a new model '80 car?  It is certainly as good as
it was in 1980.  But technical debelopments make it desireable to buy
a newer model.

Matthias


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Re: rsync mirror how?

2005-04-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Brett Viren wrote:
 Looking at my mirror logs I see this as well.  Judging by the oldest
 log I keep around, it's been happening since at least last Friday.
 
 It looks like someone has renamed the module to debian-pure64:

The rsync module change may have been recent.  But the depot renaming
was discussed a while ago.  See this message for details.

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/01/msg00295.html

Bob


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Fwd: Future of the amd64 gcc-3.4/gcc-4.0 archive

2005-04-21 Thread Jaime Ochoa Malagón
Ups, I forgot to send to the list

IMHO the gcc 4.0 branch needs to be in the HOWTO with all the warnings
and with a really  big note This is not working yet, but al the hands
are welcome, because I don't need to remember us that the open source
is growing up with the contribution of people that like to live in the
edge. Or I need it?

Greetings

On 4/19/05, Ed Cogburn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Monday 18 April 2005 5:02pm, Andreas Jochens wrote:
 
  I fully agree with this. Moreover, I think that to avoid confusion,
  the documentation should be changed so that it does not mention
  the gcc4 branch at all.

 Just so you know Andreas, what you're doing with gcc-3.4(4.0) is important and
 necessary work to get Debian updated for the newer gcc, and folks like me do
 appreciate your work there, its just that we think its best if new users of
 Debian AMD64 start out with the official pure64 first, before finding out
 about gcc-3.4(4.0).  Thank you for your effort to make Debian better.

 Cheers,
 Ed


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