Re: SATA RAID5 adaptor other than 3ware?

2005-07-20 Thread Stefan Lüthje
Hi,

 Thanks!

 I have found GDT8546RZ which would fit my needs, but when I rgrep -i for
 icp or gdt in /lib/modules/2.6.8-9-amd64-k8-smp/kernel/drivers/scsi ,
 it
 only matches ips.ko which seems to be a SCSI, not SATA module. So I guess
 there is a module, hopefully source code, available from ICP's site?

The driver show all disks as SCSI-Disks, also the SATA-Disks.

 The product page
 http://www.icp-vortex.com/english/product/pci/rz_sata/8546rz_e.htm it
 lists
 Linux under the supported platforms, but it's not clear if AMD64 is
 included.

It is supported. They have also the tools for the AMD64.
I use the same card since 6 month without problems.

Otherwise ICP-Vortex has a very good hotline, call them for further
questions (no expensive service number!!).

Greetings

Stefan


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Re: Almost there

2005-07-20 Thread David Mohr
On 7/19/05, Gary Hodges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I made the change as instructed.
 #undef ATA_NDEBUG   /* define to disable quick runtime checks */
 #define ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI/* define to enable ATAPI support */
 #undef ATA_ENABLE_PATA  /* define to enable PATA support in some
 
 After rebooting I see the following with dmesg:
 cloud:/home/hodges# dmesg | grep ata2
 ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x1C38 ctl 0x1C32 bmdma 0x1C18 irq 23
 ata2: dev 0 cfg 49:0f00 82: 83: 84: 85: 86: 87:
 88:101f
 ata2: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/66
 ata2: dev 0 configured for UDMA/66
 
 So it looks like the drive is seen as I only have the one SATA device.
 My question is how do I mount it?  I'm not seeing ata2 in /dev or
 anything that looks like it would work.

It turns up as a scsi device. Running a 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' should
give you a bit more output and the CD should be mountable as device
/dev/scd0.

~David



Re: SATA RAID5 adaptor other than 3ware? Thanks alot!

2005-07-20 Thread Soenke von Stamm
Ok, thanks to all you guys, I have found the new LSI MegaRAID 300-8x to fit my 
needs most closely. They are becoming available now and I have enough time to 
validate one in another soon-to-arrive GX28. It has the connectors on the 
back side, but it's short enough and it seems to be a decent performer 
(judging from the Areca card http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/557 which uses 
the same XOR hardware - I don't trust the Areca hardware though (fan) and 
have very good experiences with LSI for years now).
Unfortunately the MegaRAID 300-4x doesn't seem to be out yet but the price 
difference is a minor issue. Nice feat is support of NCQ btw, got four NCQ 
disks on my desk already :-)


  Sönke


Am Dienstag, 19. Juli 2005 12:15 schrieb Stefan Lüthje:
 The driver show all disks as SCSI-Disks, also the SATA-Disks.

Yeah, I confused that with the newer libata drivers (which also add SCSI 
devices and reside in drivers/scsi/) which are for 'passive' adaptors only of 
course. :-/

  The product page
  http://www.icp-vortex.com/english/product/pci/rz_sata/8546rz_e.htm it
  lists
  Linux under the supported platforms, but it's not clear if AMD64 is
  included.

 It is supported. They have also the tools for the AMD64.
 I use the same card since 6 month without problems.

 Otherwise ICP-Vortex has a very good hotline, call them for further
 questions (no expensive service number!!).



X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Alexander Jede
Hi,
i have installed x.org and would like to use the nvidia-driver for my
nvidia GPU.
Trying to install nvidia-glx, I get a dependence problem. nvidia-glx
needs : nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or
   libglu but it is not installable or
   libglu1
But xlibmesa-glu is in conflict with libglu1-xorg.
Trying to force the installation of nvidia-glx it works fine. Only
apt-get shows me the dependencies problems.
Is it a problem of the liblu1, that it does not contain the
libglu1-xorg? 

Thanks Alexander


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Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Sven Krahn
On 7/20/05, Alexander Jede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,i have installed x.org and would like to use the nvidia-driver for mynvidia GPU.Trying to install nvidia-glx, I get a dependence problem. nvidia-glxneeds : nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or

libglu but it is not installable or
libglu1But xlibmesa-glu is in conflict with libglu1-xorg.Trying to force the installation of nvidia-glx it works fine. Onlyapt-get shows me the dependencies problems.Is it a problem of the liblu1, that it does not contain the
libglu1-xorg?
I found recently that glx is not yet included in
Debian Sid's X.org, there is a bug report somewhere in the Debian X.org
transition team area (sorry, I don't remember the exact location). For
me it looks like that for now you can't use glx with the current x.org
release in sid. 

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Installation problems with HP zv6069EA

2005-07-20 Thread CECCHI FABIO








Hello everyone,

I bought a HP zv6069EA laptop with AMD Athon 64
3500+ (2.2 Mhz with CoolnQuite technology), RAM 512 MB, ATI
RADEON XPRESS 200 IGP (128 MB), Hard disk 100 GB ATA 100.



I tried to install Debian amd 64 3.1 r0 distribution but
the installation programs, after running vmlinuz and initrd and displaying some
other messages that I didnt get because of considerably speed, hangs
with a black screen. Probably the last message was something like FATAL:.



I tried to insert the options vga=791 noapic nolapic.
As result I got the screen for the keyboard selection, but at this point I can
type any character and thus I am not able to go on.



Have somebody some suggestion for this problem ?

Thanks,
in advance.

Fabio Cecchi







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Re: Installation problems with HP zv6069EA

2005-07-20 Thread Basile STARYNKEVITCH
Le Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 10:26:58AM +0200, CECCHI FABIO écrivait/wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 
 I bought a HP zv6069EA laptop with AMD Athon 64  3500+ (2.2 Mhz with
 Cool'n'Quite technology), RAM 512 MB, ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 IGP (128
 MB), Hard disk 100 GB ATA 100.
 
  
 
 I tried to install Debian amd 64 3.1 r0 distribution but the
 installation programs, after running vmlinuz and initrd and displaying
 some other messages that I didn't get because of considerably speed,
 hangs with a black screen. Probably the last message was something like
 FATAL:


The MSI S270 notebook have the same chipset, so I suppose it could
help you. Please read my page on
http://starynkevitch.net/Basile/msi_s270_linux.html

Please also share your findings and experiments on this list.

Regards.

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Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Andrei Mikhailovsky
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 09:44 +0200, Alexander Jede wrote:
 Hi,
 i have installed x.org and would like to use the nvidia-driver for my
 nvidia GPU.
 Trying to install nvidia-glx, I get a dependence problem. nvidia-glx
 needs : nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or
libglu but it is not installable or
libglu1
 But xlibmesa-glu is in conflict with libglu1-xorg.
 Trying to force the installation of nvidia-glx it works fine. Only
 apt-get shows me the dependencies problems.
 Is it a problem of the liblu1, that it does not contain the
 libglu1-xorg? 
 
 Thanks Alexander
 
 


I have the same issues, dependencies are totally broken coz of
xlibmesa-glu and libglu1. I have actually installed libglu1-xorg,
however, other programs' don't seems to notice that. very strange. Does
anyone know when these issues will be resolved?

Thanks

Andrei


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Re: SATA RAID5 adaptor other than 3ware?

2005-07-20 Thread Erik Mouw
On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 09:51:42PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
 Nearly all SATA drivers use the scsi block layer and appear as scsi to
 the kernel. The ide layer is deprecated by many programmers and seems
 to be fading away slowly.

According to Jeff Garzik, the SATA drivers (libata) use the SCSI layer
for the time being, and will use a different major number in the
future. If and when that will happen, isn't yet known.

The IDE layer isn't deprecated, but just unsuitable for libata drivers.
It's perfectly useful for IDE drivers, though you could also create a
libata driver.


Erik

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Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)

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Le 20.07.2005 11:30:21, Andrei Mikhailovsky a écrit :

On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 09:44 +0200, Alexander Jede wrote:
 Hi,
 i have installed x.org and would like to use the nvidia-driver for
my
 nvidia GPU.
 Trying to install nvidia-glx, I get a dependence problem. nvidia-glx
 needs : nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or
libglu but it is not installable or
libglu1
 But xlibmesa-glu is in conflict with libglu1-xorg.
 Trying to force the installation of nvidia-glx it works fine. Only
 apt-get shows me the dependencies problems.
 Is it a problem of the liblu1, that it does not contain the
 libglu1-xorg?

 Thanks Alexander




I have the same issues, dependencies are totally broken coz of
xlibmesa-glu and libglu1. I have actually installed libglu1-xorg,
however, other programs' don't seems to notice that. very strange.
Does
anyone know when these issues will be resolved?


Maybe these other programs [tm] need to be relinked against the new
libs and their dependancies rewritten.

You can get one of the source of one of them (apt-get source other  
program) and check and edit debian/control too mach the new libraries.

Sometimes, doing so, you get a cascade effect with the libs...



Thanks

Andrei



Good Luck

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Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Alexander Jede
Is there a trick, that I can use apt-get as usual and not get this
message:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or
   libglu but it is not installable or
   libglu1
E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.

Thanks for help.
Alexander


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Error compiling 2.6.8 kernel for amd64 - cannot find pci.h

2005-07-20 Thread Gregory Margo
I'm trying to compile the Sarge kernel for amd64.
I have a dual Xeon system running Debian Stable for amd64, with the kernel
kernel-image-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp   2.6.8-14 

I have installed the source package 
kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-16  

As a first test I just attempted to duplicate the compile to make
sure all the tools are installed, so I extracted the kernel source
and created a build directory, did a make O=... menuconfig and make O=... 
(Using the O= option to point to the build directory)

I made no changes in the menuconfig, and it picked up the config
file from /boot for defaults (/boot/config-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp)

But the compile fails because it can't find pci.h.
I only see a pci.h in the i386 arch directory, not for x86_64.

Am I doing something wrong?
Is there a secret step or missing link for amd64 that's not documented?

Here is the error:

/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:10:17: pci.h: 
No such file or directory
/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c: In function 
`pci_mmcfg_init':
/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:79: error: 
`pci_probe' undeclared (first use in this function)
/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:79: error: 
(Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:79: error: for 
each function it appears in.)
/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:79: error: 
`PCI_PROBE_MMCONF' undeclared (first use in this function)
/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:93: error: 
`PCI_PROBE_MASK' undeclared (first use in this function)

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Re: Error compiling 2.6.8 kernel for amd64 - cannot find pci.h

2005-07-20 Thread Erik Mouw
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 03:31:13AM -0700, Gregory Margo wrote:
 I'm trying to compile the Sarge kernel for amd64.
 I have a dual Xeon system running Debian Stable for amd64, with the kernel
 kernel-image-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp   2.6.8-14 
 
 I have installed the source package 
 kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-16  
 
 As a first test I just attempted to duplicate the compile to make
 sure all the tools are installed, so I extracted the kernel source
 and created a build directory, did a make O=... menuconfig and make O=... 
 (Using the O= option to point to the build directory)
 
 I made no changes in the menuconfig, and it picked up the config
 file from /boot for defaults (/boot/config-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp)

When using a config from a different kernel, you should use make
oldconfig before running make {menu|x|g|k}config.

 But the compile fails because it can't find pci.h.
 I only see a pci.h in the i386 arch directory, not for x86_64.
 
 Am I doing something wrong?

I don't know, you didn't supply enough information for us to figure
out. What's the output from gcc -v? Could you c

 Is there a secret step or missing link for amd64 that's not documented?

There is no secret.

 Here is the error:
 
 /usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:10:17: pci.h: 
 No such file or directory
 /usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c: In function 
 `pci_mmcfg_init':
 /usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:79: error: 
 `pci_probe' undeclared (first use in this function)
 /usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:79: error: 
 (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
 /usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:79: error: 
 for each function it appears in.)
 /usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:79: error: 
 `PCI_PROBE_MMCONF' undeclared (first use in this function)
 /usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c:93: error: 
 `PCI_PROBE_MASK' undeclared (first use in this function)

Not enough information. Please run make V=1 O=... and post the
complete error including the gcc command that was used to compile
mmconfig.c.


Erik

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Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Alexander Jede [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Is there a trick, that I can use apt-get as usual and not get this
 message:
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree... Done
 You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or
libglu but it is not installable or
libglu1
 E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.

 Thanks for help.
 Alexander

That is just plain and simple the C++ transition.

Package: libglu1-xorg
Provides: libglu1c2
 ^^

Although that transition was unneccesary and I think will be reversed
(Provides: libglu1, libglu1c2) in the next upload as libglu1-xorg only
provides a C abi to its c++ internas.

MfG
Goswin

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Re: Error compiling 2.6.8 kernel for amd64 - cannot find pci.h

2005-07-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Gregory Margo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm trying to compile the Sarge kernel for amd64.
 I have a dual Xeon system running Debian Stable for amd64, with the kernel
 kernel-image-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp   2.6.8-14 

 I have installed the source package 
 kernel-source-2.6.8 2.6.8-16  

 As a first test I just attempted to duplicate the compile to make
 sure all the tools are installed, so I extracted the kernel source
 and created a build directory, did a make O=... menuconfig and make O=... 
 (Using the O= option to point to the build directory)

Although it has nothing to do with your errors you should be using
make-kpkg for the full Debian experience.

MfG
Goswin


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Re: [update] More 32bit packages for amd64

2005-07-20 Thread Kirill Belokurov
Hi!

By the way, can the same (or modified) approach be used for the installation 
of 32bit Flash Player Plugin?

wbr, Kirill.


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RE: Impossible to install kdelibs4-dev

2005-07-20 Thread Vanuxem Grégory
Hi,

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Goswin von Brederlow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Envoyé : dimanche 17 juillet 2005 22:21
 À : Sylvain Archenault
 Cc : SmartList
 Objet : Re: Impossible to install kdelibs4-dev


 Sylvain Archenault [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Hello,
 
  I can't install kdelibs4-dev, here the output i get :
 
  E: Impossible de corriger les problèmes, des paquets défecteux sont en
  mode « garder en l'état ».
  E: Impossible de corriger les dépendances, certains paquets ne peuvent
  pas être installés
  E: Unable to resolve some dependencies!
  Certains paquets ont des dépendances non résolues. Ceci peut signifier
  que vous avez demandé une situation impossible ou que vous utilisez la
  distribution instable qui a besoin de paquets qui n'ont pas
 encore été créés
  ou qui ne sont pas encore sortis « d'incoming ».
 
  Les paquets suivants ont des dépendances non satisfaites :
kdelibs4-dev: Dépend: libfam-dev mais il n'est pas installable
 
 
  If i do apt-get install libfam-dev, it tells me that the problem is
  libfam0  (= 2.7.0-7.2), and if i apt-get install libfam0, he wants to
  remove a lors of package (kde stuffs gnome stuffs, etc)
 
  I run debian amd64 sid, and i upgrade to x.org with no specials
 problems.
 
  Any ideas ?

 Welcome to unstable.


I think it's a great response :-)


Cheers,

Greg

 MfG
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Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Andrei Mikhailovsky
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 12:01 +0200, Alexander Jede wrote:
 Is there a trick, that I can use apt-get as usual and not get this
 message:
 Reading package lists... Done
 Building dependency tree... Done
 You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or
libglu but it is not installable or
libglu1
 E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
 
 Thanks for help.
 Alexander
 
 

apt-get -f install wants to uninstall half of my X programs, such as
gnome, kde and a bunch of other useful things, which is not an option

The following packages will be REMOVED:
  alsamixergui bittorrent-gui fgfs-base flightgear freeglut3 gnome
gnome-desktop-environment gxine k3b kcontrol kdelibs4-dev kdepim-dev
  konqueror libarts1-dev libfltk1.1c102 libgle3 libglut3 libkcal2-dev
libkdepim1-dev libkgantt0-dev libkleopatra0-dev
  libkpimexchange1-dev libksieve0-dev libktnef1-dev libmimelib1-dev
libopenexr-dev libopengl-perl libqt3-mt-dev libwxgtk2.4 libwxgtk2.4-1
  libwxgtk2.4-contrib libwxgtk2.4-dev libwxgtk2.4-python libxine1
planetpenguin-racer plib1.8.3 plib1.8.4 totem totem-xine tuxracer
  vegastrike vegastrike-data vegastrike-music x-window-system
x-window-system-core xine-ui xlibmesa-glu-dev xpp xscreensaver-gl
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 49 to remove and 40 not upgraded.


Is there any other way? Or waiting for debian developers to fix these
issues is the only way?

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Re: Error compiling 2.6.8 kernel for amd64 - cannot find pci.h

2005-07-20 Thread Erik Mouw
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 04:51:49AM -0700, Gregory Margo wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 12:39:23PM +0200, Erik Mouw wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 03:31:13AM -0700, Gregory Margo wrote:
  When using a config from a different kernel, you should use make
  oldconfig before running make {menu|x|g|k}config.
 
 I didn't do anything special, the make menuconfig step grabbed
 the config file to use as defaults.  Just to verify, I did
 make menuconfig again (on a clean build dir) followed by a
 make oldconfig.  The resulting .config file (from both steps)
 is identical to /boot/config-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp.

The idea is to run make oldconfig before menuconfig. Menuconfig
sometimes leaves the .config file in an illegal state and als can get
confused at strange .config files, oldconfig fixes that.

  Not enough information. Please run make V=1 O=... and post the
  complete error including the gcc command that was used to compile
  mmconfig.c.
  
 
 
 Now compiling with the V=1 option ...
 I think I see the problem ...
 
 Here is the gcc command line.  Note that the extra include path
 added by the Makefile in arch/x86_64/pci has a space between the
 -I and the arch/i386/pci.
 
 
   gcc -Wp,-MD,arch/x86_64/pci/.mmconfig.o.d -nostdinc -iwithprefix include 
 -D__KERNEL__ -Iinclude -Iinclude2 
 -I/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/include 
 -I/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci -Iarch/x86_64/pci 
 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common 
 -march=nocona -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -pipe -fno-reorder-blocks 
 -Wno-sign-compare -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer 
 -I/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/ -I arch/i386/pci  
 -DKBUILD_BASENAME=mmconfig -DKBUILD_MODNAME=mmconfig -c -o 
 arch/x86_64/pci/.tmp_mmconfig.o 
 /usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c
 
 
 I'll try changing arch/x86_64/pci/Makefile to remove that space ... Works!
 
 Here is the patch I applied to the Makefile:
 
 --- arch/x86_64/pci/Makefile.00 2004-08-13 22:36:17.0 -0700
 +++ arch/x86_64/pci/Makefile2005-07-20 04:15:13.147922899 -0700
 @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
  #
  # Reuse the i386 PCI subsystem
  #
 -CFLAGS += -I arch/i386/pci
 +CFLAGS += -Iarch/i386/pci
  
  obj-y  := i386.o
  obj-$(CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT)+= direct.o
 
 
 How can it be that the shipped kernel source is not compilable?
 Makes me wonder what else is different.

Just checked: the 2.6.8.1 kernel from kernel.org contains the same
error. The 2.6.10 tree I have over here doesn't have that error, so
it's fixed somewhere between 2.6.8 and 2.6.10.

 Now I will go on to the make-kpkg step and then try booting on
 this kernel.

Don't know if it's still relevant, but maybe you should file a bug
against the package. If you're using a kernel.org kernel, you should
use the latest stable version (2.6.12.3 at time of writing).


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Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Sven Krahn
On 7/20/05, Andrei Mikhailovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there any other way? Or waiting for debian developers to fix theseissues is the only way?
This is what in my opinion Goswin meant by
'Welcome to sid!' in two or three other threads. If you are running sid
you must expect such dependency issues to happen (though I agree this
is quite a complex situation right now). If you are not actively
working on and supporting the transition the only thing - with regards
to sid - is to wait. Because the current issues affect basically
everybody using sid (+x.org +kde) I suppose people are heavily working
on it and a resolution will come soon.

I found a working way for myself by falling back to testing (etch),
installing both x.org and KDE 3.4.1 from Ubuntu (on a different
partition) which also allows me to use the Nvidia driver incl. glx.
This at least allows me to continue my 'reglular desktop use' of the
system until everything has been sorted out in sid.

As soon as the transitions in sid are done (i.e. x.org and the kde
dependencies), and a dist-upgrade will clean up everything on my sid
partition, I will switch back to that environment again.
-- Best regards / Mit den besten GrüssenSven Krahn


Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Sven Krahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On 7/20/05, Andrei Mikhailovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Is there any other way? Or waiting for debian developers to fix
  these
  issues is the only way?
  
  


 This is what in my opinion Goswin meant by 'Welcome to sid!' in two or three
 other threads. If you are running sid you must expect such dependency issues
 to happen (though I agree this is quite a complex situation right now). If you
 are not actively working on and supporting the transition the only thing -
 with regards to sid - is to wait. Because the current issues affect basically
 everybody using sid (+x.org +kde) I suppose people are heavily working on it
 and a resolution will come soon.
 I found a working way for myself by falling back to testing (etch), installing
 both x.org and KDE 3.4.1 from Ubuntu (on a different partition) which also
 allows me to use the Nvidia driver incl. glx. This at least allows me to
 continue my 'reglular desktop use' of the system until everything has been
 sorted out in sid.
 As soon as the transitions in sid are done (i.e. x.org and the kde
 dependencies), and a dist-upgrade will clean up everything on my sid
 partition, I will switch back to that environment again.
 --
 Best regards / Mit den besten Grüssen
 Sven Krahn

You can recompile the nvidia-glx yourself too if that is the only
problem you hit in sid. But if you aren't sure about that, then
staying with etch till the transition moves there in one big jump is
the best thing to do.

MfG
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Re: Error compiling 2.6.8 kernel for amd64 - cannot find pci.h

2005-07-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Erik Mouw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 04:51:49AM -0700, Gregory Margo wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 12:39:23PM +0200, Erik Mouw wrote:
  On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 03:31:13AM -0700, Gregory Margo wrote:
  When using a config from a different kernel, you should use make
  oldconfig before running make {menu|x|g|k}config.
 
 I didn't do anything special, the make menuconfig step grabbed
 the config file to use as defaults.  Just to verify, I did
 make menuconfig again (on a clean build dir) followed by a
 make oldconfig.  The resulting .config file (from both steps)
 is identical to /boot/config-2.6.8-11-em64t-p4-smp.

 The idea is to run make oldconfig before menuconfig. Menuconfig
 sometimes leaves the .config file in an illegal state and als can get
 confused at strange .config files, oldconfig fixes that.

  Not enough information. Please run make V=1 O=... and post the
  complete error including the gcc command that was used to compile
  mmconfig.c.
  
 
 
 Now compiling with the V=1 option ...
 I think I see the problem ...
 
 Here is the gcc command line.  Note that the extra include path
 added by the Makefile in arch/x86_64/pci has a space between the
 -I and the arch/i386/pci.
 
 
   gcc -Wp,-MD,arch/x86_64/pci/.mmconfig.o.d -nostdinc -iwithprefix include 
 -D__KERNEL__ -Iinclude -Iinclude2 
 -I/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/include 
 -I/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci -Iarch/x86_64/pci 
 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common 
 -march=nocona -mno-red-zone -mcmodel=kernel -pipe -fno-reorder-blocks 
 -Wno-sign-compare -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer 
 -I/usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/ -I arch/i386/pci  
 -DKBUILD_BASENAME=mmconfig -DKBUILD_MODNAME=mmconfig -c -o 
 arch/x86_64/pci/.tmp_mmconfig.o 
 /usr/src/gm/kernel-source-2.6.8.work/arch/x86_64/pci/mmconfig.c
 
 
 I'll try changing arch/x86_64/pci/Makefile to remove that space ... Works!
 
 Here is the patch I applied to the Makefile:
 
 --- arch/x86_64/pci/Makefile.00 2004-08-13 22:36:17.0 -0700
 +++ arch/x86_64/pci/Makefile2005-07-20 04:15:13.147922899 -0700
 @@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
  #
  # Reuse the i386 PCI subsystem
  #
 -CFLAGS += -I arch/i386/pci
 +CFLAGS += -Iarch/i386/pci
  
  obj-y  := i386.o
  obj-$(CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT)+= direct.o
 
 
 How can it be that the shipped kernel source is not compilable?
 Makes me wonder what else is different.

 Just checked: the 2.6.8.1 kernel from kernel.org contains the same
 error. The 2.6.10 tree I have over here doesn't have that error, so
 it's fixed somewhere between 2.6.8 and 2.6.10.

 Now I will go on to the make-kpkg step and then try booting on
 this kernel.

 Don't know if it's still relevant, but maybe you should file a bug
 against the package. If you're using a kernel.org kernel, you should
 use the latest stable version (2.6.12.3 at time of writing).


 Erik

For 2.6.8 amd64 still has its own kernel-image source and that might
have some extra patches in it. to fix this issue.

I dont think it has but that package compiled fine with gcc-3.4.

MfG
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Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Matthias Julius
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 You can recompile the nvidia-glx yourself too if that is the only
 problem you hit in sid. But if you aren't sure about that, then
 staying with etch till the transition moves there in one big jump is
 the best thing to do.

I think staying with testing is the best thing to do for
non-developers anyways.  In general testing is not that far behind
unstable.  Was it two weeks that packages need to be without severe
bugs in unstable to migrate to testing?  Packages that don't migrate
usually have some problems.  What you get in return is a much more
stable system especially during transitions like the current ones.
And KDE 3.3 and XFree86 are not that terrible that I could not wait a
couple more weeks.

And if you really need a package from unstable you can install it on
testing without problems in most cases.  At least without more
problems than you have with running unstable.

Matthias


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Re: Error compiling 2.6.8 kernel for amd64 - cannot find pci.h

2005-07-20 Thread Frederik Schueler
Hello,

On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 03:31:13AM -0700, Gregory Margo wrote:
 Am I doing something wrong?
 Is there a secret step or missing link for amd64 that's not documented?

you need the debian patch too, then ypou can compile your kernel with

MAKEFLAGS=... PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg --added-patches=debian 
--config=menuconfig --revision=... --append-to-version=...

this should work using the debian config of the official kernel image.

Best regards
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Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 You can recompile the nvidia-glx yourself too if that is the only
 problem you hit in sid. But if you aren't sure about that, then
 staying with etch till the transition moves there in one big jump is
 the best thing to do.

 I think staying with testing is the best thing to do for
 non-developers anyways.  In general testing is not that far behind
 unstable.  Was it two weeks that packages need to be without severe
 bugs in unstable to migrate to testing?  Packages that don't migrate
 usually have some problems.  What you get in return is a much more
 stable system especially during transitions like the current ones.
 And KDE 3.3 and XFree86 are not that terrible that I could not wait a
 couple more weeks.

2-10 days.

 And if you really need a package from unstable you can install it on
 testing without problems in most cases.  At least without more
 problems than you have with running unstable.

 Matthias

MfG
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Re: SATA RAID5 adaptor other than 3ware? Thanks alot!

2005-07-20 Thread Gauthier DELERCE
I use Areca controler (1210, 4 ports pciExpress, SATA2), perfect 
solution. you need to patch your kernel with the areca patch ( included 
in mm4 patch).  The areca tools to monitor the controler runs fine on 
debian-pure64.


I recommand this product,   also I have very bad experience with 3ware 
sata controller which offer very low performances.



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Randall J. Parr wrote:


Soenke von Stamm wrote:

Ok, thanks to all you guys, I have found the new LSI MegaRAID 300-8x 
to fit my needs most closely. They are becoming available now and I 
have enough time to validate one in another soon-to-arrive GX28. It 
has the connectors on the back side, but it's short enough and it 
seems to be a decent performer (judging from the Areca card 
http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/557 which uses the same XOR hardware 
- I don't trust the Areca hardware though (fan) and have very good 
experiences with LSI for years now).
Unfortunately the MegaRAID 300-4x doesn't seem to be out yet but the 
price difference is a minor issue. Nice feat is support of NCQ btw, 
got four NCQ disks on my desk already :-)
 





Please let us know if the 300-8x does, in fact, provide similar 
performance to the Areca.  I had been looking at the Areca (because 
of, in part, the review you mentioned) but have been a little leary.  
I have had very good experience with LSI MegaRAID with SCSI and would 
like to try the 300-8x (if performance IS as described).


Also... I checked their drivers page but do not see a Debian and/or 
generic Linux driver.  Do you know one is available?


Thanks
R.Parr, RHCE
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Re: SATA RAID5 adaptor other than 3ware? Thanks alot!

2005-07-20 Thread Markus Boas
Am Mittwoch 20 Juli 2005 16:25 schrieb Gauthier DELERCE:
 I use Areca controler (1210, 4 ports pciExpress, SATA2), perfect
 solution. you need to patch your kernel with the areca patch ( included
 in mm4 patch).  The areca tools to monitor the controler runs fine on
 debian-pure64.

 I recommand this product,   also I have very bad experience with 3ware
 sata controller which offer very low performances.


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Not realy on the last two kernel rc's it is include.


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Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread GOMBAS Gabor
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 09:24:42AM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote:

 I think staying with testing is the best thing to do for
 non-developers anyways.

Has the problem of security updates been solved for testing? If not,
using testing is worse than using sid (breakage of a dependency may keep
an important security update out of testing for a looong time). Esp. for
non-developers who do not tend to know too much about security issues...

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Re: Flashell

2005-07-20 Thread Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)

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Le 20.07.2005 17:00:05, antongiulio05 a écrit :

Hi,

I have installed firefox 32bit (chroot) to use flash. I have:

$ ls .mozilla/plugins/
flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so


Maybe it would be better to install the plugin in the chroot via the  
flashplugin-nonfree package. It will install the plugin  
/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins (relative to the chroot). I've  
isntalled it this way.


I think if you install it in your home directory (if not in the  
chroot), firefox will be a bit messed up (which firefow withwhi  
chplugin)


I launch firefox with:
$ linux32 dchroot -c ia32 -d firefox

and I got:
(firefox-bin:6364): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
Using the fallback 'C' locale.


This is not eally a problem. If you want the locale, install the  
locales package in the chroot. Debconf will ask you for the locale you  
want to generate.




Just a gtk-warning, however firefox starts and works, but in
'about:plugins' or in a flash-site, it seems like flash-plugin is not
loaded.
Reading this old-post from ml-archive:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/04/msg00907.html

I have not found solution.

I have tried to install package in 32 and 64bit env, but it's not
working. How can I get a working flash+firefox?

Thanks,
Giulio



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Re: Error compiling 2.6.8 kernel for amd64 - cannot find pci.h

2005-07-20 Thread Gregory Margo
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 03:26:40PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
 Hello,
 
 On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 03:31:13AM -0700, Gregory Margo wrote:
  Am I doing something wrong?
  Is there a secret step or missing link for amd64 that's not documented?
 
 you need the debian patch too, then ypou can compile your kernel with
 
 MAKEFLAGS=... PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg --added-patches=debian 
 --config=menuconfig --revision=... --append-to-version=...
 
 this should work using the debian config of the official kernel image.
 
 Best regards
 Frederik Schueler
 
 
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What debian patch are you talking about?
The kernel-source-2.6.8 is already patched.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 587$ apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6
kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 - Debian patches to Linux 2.6.8
kernel-source-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches



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Re: Error compiling 2.6.8 kernel for amd64 - cannot find pci.h

2005-07-20 Thread Gregory Margo
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 02:54:06PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
 
 For 2.6.8 amd64 still has its own kernel-image source and that might
 have some extra patches in it. to fix this issue.
 
 I dont think it has but that package compiled fine with gcc-3.4.
 
 MfG
 Goswin

Where would this be?  I'm only looking at the amd64 repository
and there's only one kernel-source package.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 587$ apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6
kernel-patch-debian-2.6.8 - Debian patches to Linux 2.6.8
kernel-source-2.6.8 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.8 with Debian patches


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Re: Again INPROCOMM IPN2220

2005-07-20 Thread sonic_th
Anyone knows a simple way to use the archives inside a kernel tree 2.4.x
in a 2.6.x kernel tree. Inside that package there are the source for a kernel
2.4 but i use a 2.6.x kernel.

I've tried to put the directory inpro2220 inside /usr/src/modules and i used
module-assistant (update) but the module hasn't appear.

Any idea?

Thanx in advance.

 Grab the Dlink pre-n router's gpl tarball, I saw there a _native_
 ipn2220
 driver, dunno if it works or not, as I don't have such equipment.

 Are you refering this:
 http://support.dlink.com/products/view.asp?productid=DI%2D624M ?

 Giulio




Yep, the GPL tarball is
ftp://ftp.dlink.com/GPL/di624M/di624m_fw10_source.tar.gz

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Re: Almost there

2005-07-20 Thread Gary Hodges

David Mohr wrote:


On 7/19/05, Gary Hodges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


I made the change as instructed.
#undef ATA_NDEBUG   /* define to disable quick runtime checks */
#define ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI/* define to enable ATAPI support */
#undef ATA_ENABLE_PATA  /* define to enable PATA support in some

After rebooting I see the following with dmesg:
cloud:/home/hodges# dmesg | grep ata2
ata2: SATA max UDMA/133 cmd 0x1C38 ctl 0x1C32 bmdma 0x1C18 irq 23
ata2: dev 0 cfg 49:0f00 82: 83: 84: 85: 86: 87:
88:101f
ata2: dev 0 ATAPI, max UDMA/66
ata2: dev 0 configured for UDMA/66

So it looks like the drive is seen as I only have the one SATA device.
My question is how do I mount it?  I'm not seeing ata2 in /dev or
anything that looks like it would work.
   



It turns up as a scsi device. Running a 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' should
give you a bit more output and the CD should be mountable as device
/dev/scd0.



I believe I have made a significant oversight.  I need to recompile the 
kernel, right?


Cheers,
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Re: X.org and NVidia

2005-07-20 Thread Matthias Julius
GOMBAS Gabor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Has the problem of security updates been solved for testing? If not,
 using testing is worse than using sid (breakage of a dependency may keep
 an important security update out of testing for a looong time). Esp. for
 non-developers who do not tend to know too much about security issues...

Well, if you are concerned about security you probably should stay
with stable.

Matthias


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Re: Problems with MySQL 4.1.x on Debian-AMD64 (threading?)

2005-07-20 Thread Claudio Martins

On Saturday 16 July 2005 12:09, mike wrote:

 I'm even trying to use MySQL-supplied x86_64 binaries and they're
 eating up CPU and seem to be locking up in general - the server can't
 even shut itself down properly using the initscript.

 I'm running kernel 2.6.11.12, debian-amd64 sarge, mysql 4.1.7, .10,
 .12 - .12 is by far the worst.


 Hi, I also experienced this 2 weeks ago on a Dual Opteron machine running 
debian-amd64 (kernel v2.6.11), but only after upgrading to 4.1.12. Running a 
show processlist; query would show several clients making SQL queries but 
no progress at all. And mysql would not shut down no matter what; Only a kill 
would do it.

  After that I downgraded mysql-server-4.1 to version 4.1.11a-4 and it has 
been running stable and in production ever since. Have you tried this 
version? I'd like to know if more people have managed to work with this 
version.


 - http://hashmysql.org/index.php?title=Opteron_HOWTO

 Here's related other URLs of interest:
 - debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314408
 - redhat: http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-hacker/2004-02/msg00019.html
 - ubuntu: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11730
 - mysql: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=8555
 - mysql: http://bugs.mysql.com/bug.php?id=7254
 - someone's blog: http://trainedmonkey.com/entry/2248

 I've posted on both MySQL and Debian's forums as well looking for
 help, but nothing worthwhile so far:
 - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=4472
 - http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?11,31593,33658


 Thanks for the links!

Regards

Claudio Martins


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wine for amd64?

2005-07-20 Thread Alexander Fieroch

Hello,

wine is still not available for debian amd64. Does anybody know why? 
Isn't it possible to compile on amd64 and will there be a version in 
future for amd64 (like openoffice)?


And yes, I know that I can use wine in ia32 chroot...

Regards,
Alexander


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Re: SATA RAID5 adaptor other than 3ware? Thanks alot!

2005-07-20 Thread Johan Groth

Randall J. Parr wrote:

Soenke von Stamm wrote:

Ok, thanks to all you guys, I have found the new LSI MegaRAID 300-8x 
to fit my needs most closely. They are becoming available now and I 
have enough time to validate one in another soon-to-arrive GX28. It 
has the connectors on the back side, but it's short enough and it 
seems to be a decent performer (judging from the Areca card 
http://www.tweakers.net/reviews/557 which uses the same XOR hardware - 
I don't trust the Areca hardware though (fan) and have very good 
experiences with LSI for years now).
Unfortunately the MegaRAID 300-4x doesn't seem to be out yet but the 
price difference is a minor issue. Nice feat is support of NCQ btw, 
got four NCQ disks on my desk already :-)
 





Please let us know if the 300-8x does, in fact, provide similar 
performance to the Areca.  I had been looking at the Areca (because of, 
in part, the review you mentioned) but have been a little leary.  I have 
had very good experience with LSI MegaRAID with SCSI and would like to 
try the 300-8x (if performance IS as described).


I chose the LSI because I couldn't find anyone here in the UK that sells 
the Arcea or the Tekram variant (perhaps they are the same, don't know).


When it comes to performance I'm more than happy. The card is installed 
in a Tyan 2885 MB (PCI-X slot, of course :) ). Previously I had an 
Adaptec 2410 (66MHz, 64 bit) and the performance difference between 
these two controllers is huge. Ok, the test I did is VERY inscientific 
but I got the performance boost I wanted.
The test was to copy a big file (700MB) from one stripe to another on 
the same controller (which means each controller had 4 drives connected 
to it and configured as two RAID-0 stripes). The file system used on the 
Adaptec was Reiserfs and on the LSI XFS. The copy took 13s on the 
Adaptec and a whopping 1.3 on the LSI. Guess if I was bouncing around 
the walls :). This can of course be a combination of controller/file 
system, which is what I suspect. Is Reiserfs known to be slow?


Also... I checked their drivers page but do not see a Debian and/or 
generic Linux driver.  Do you know one is available?


The LSI MegaRAID 300-8x is supported from kernel 2.6.10 and forward. It 
uses the megaraid_mbox driver which of course means it's a small hell to 
install Debian when that controller is the only one in your system you 
have any disks connected to. Debian installer uses kernel 2.6.8 which 
does not support the card (although it loads a driver called megaraid).


So to summarise, the card works ok and is fast but can be problematic to 
install Debian on.


/Johan


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Re: wine for amd64?

2005-07-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 19:54 +0200, Alexander Fieroch wrote:
 Hello,
 
 wine is still not available for debian amd64. Does anybody know why? 
 Isn't it possible to compile on amd64 and will there be a version in 
 future for amd64 (like openoffice)?

*Can* it even be built on x86_64?  After all, it's so tied to 
32 bit Windows.

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Re: wine for amd64?

2005-07-20 Thread Matthias Julius
Alexander Fieroch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 wine is still not available for debian amd64. Does anybody know why?
 Isn't it possible to compile on amd64 and will there be a version in
 future for amd64 (like openoffice)?

Probably because you would need 64 bit Windows DLLs to run it.  Since
XP64 has been released not that long ago there is certainly not much
work done in that direction - if at all.

Then, most likely you would want to run 32 bit applications on it.
That would require 32 bit libraries as well.  And that requires a
little more than just to recompile it with a 64 bit compiler.

Or you could just run a 32 bit wine...

Does wine really need to run in a chroot?

Matthias


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Re: wine for amd64?

2005-07-20 Thread Jacob Larsen

Matthias Julius wrote:

Does wine really need to run in a chroot?


Probably not for much longer. Check the thread named New 3bit packages 
for amd64, in the middle renamed to New 32bit packages for amd64. It 
is not more than a week old.


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Re: AMD 64 Stability on Asus A8v Deluxe

2005-07-20 Thread Matthias Wenthe

Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:

   1) kernel compilation test with the following script:

#!/bin/tcsh
# ramtest
#
  make ARCH=i386 bzImage
   foreach i (0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
 foreach j (0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
  foreach k (0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
   ( make clean;make ARCH=i386 bzImage   log.$i$j$k ) 
log.err.$i$j$k
 end
   end
 end


   I must end up with 1000 identical Logfiles


Which RAM parameters do you use?



With the same board and Corsair RAM (given for 2-3-3-6 for P4 and  
2.5-3-3-6 for athlon64), I was working in 32bit with 2 instead of 2.5  
for the CAS, but I had to set it to 2.5 in 64 bit.




Maybe you have to relax a bit your timings?


I followed your advice and checked the memory timings in BIOS, I found
a puzzling variaty of parameters, almost all of the were set on AUTO

Here is a summary of the main possible switches:

parameter   possible Values help

Burst Length:   8/4 Beats   64-Bit Dq must use the 4 beats

CAS 2/2.5/3 CLK
TRC 7-13 CLK
TRFC9-15 CLK
TRCD2-6  CLK
TWR 2-3  CLK
TRWT1-6  CLK
TRAS5-15 CLK
TRP 2-6  CLK
TWLC1-2  CLK
ASYNC LAT   4-9  CLK


I changed Burst Length to 4 Beats (what t.h. is 64-Bit dq?)
and CAS to 3, left the rest on AUTO but still got the kernel panics with 64 Bit 
Kernels.

I did another 72 hour test with the kernel compilation loop and kernel 2.6.8 
686 and now I unfortunately found here 5 out of 1000 kernel compile logs buggy 
as well, one of them for example said:

In file included from include/linux/types.h:13,
from include/linux/capability.h:16,
from include/linux/sched.h:7,
from include/linux/mm.h:4,
from kernel/acct.c:47:
include/linux/posix_types.h:38: interner Compiler-Fehler: Speicherzugriffsfehler
Please submit a full bug report,
with preprocessed source if appropriate.
See URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html for instructions.
For Debian GNU/Linux specific bug reporting instructions,
see URL:file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-3.4/README.Bugs.
make[1]: *** [kernel/acct.o] Fehler 1
make: *** [kernel] Fehler 2


I get no kernel Oops or panics and nothing in dmesg or syslog. 
I wonder if it is safe to use such a system as a mail server. If sendmail is as sensitive as the gcc I have a problem.


Jean-Luc, you said you have the same mainboard. What other hardware
do you use? Maybe I can change the grafic card or give up the software raid to get a stable 64 bit system. 


I would like to encourage other members of this list with an Asus A8V 
motherboard to report about there configuration so that I finally can
find a way to tell if I have a defect mainboard or an exotic hardware
composition problem.

Best Regars

Matthias Wenthe



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Re: AMD 64 Stability on Asus A8v Deluxe

2005-07-20 Thread Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)

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Le 20.07.2005 21:32:17, Matthias Wenthe a écrit :

Jean-Luc Coulon wrote:

   1) kernel compilation test with the following script:

#!/bin/tcsh
# ramtest
#
  make ARCH=i386 bzImage
   foreach i (0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
 foreach j (0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
  foreach k (0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9)
   ( make clean;make ARCH=i386 bzImage   log.$i$j$k ) 
log.err.$i$j$k
 end
   end
 end


   I must end up with 1000 identical Logfiles


Which RAM parameters do you use?



With the same board and Corsair RAM (given for 2-3-3-6 for P4 and   
2.5-3-3-6 for athlon64), I was working in 32bit with 2 instead of  
2.5  for the CAS, but I had to set it to 2.5 in 64 bit.




Maybe you have to relax a bit your timings?


I followed your advice and checked the memory timings in BIOS, I found
a puzzling variaty of parameters, almost all of the were set on AUTO

Here is a summary of the main possible switches:

parameter   possible Values help

Burst Length: 		8/4 Beats		64-Bit Dq must  
use the 4 beats


CAS 2/2.5/3 CLK
TRC 7-13 CLK
TRFC9-15 CLK
TRCD2-6  CLK
TWR 2-3  CLK
TRWT1-6  CLK
TRAS5-15 CLK
TRP 2-6  CLK
TWLC1-2  CLK
ASYNC LAT   4-9  CLK


I've corsair DDR in dual channel
I've left the burst to its highest value

I use 2.5-3-3-6-1T

2.5 is CAS
3 is tRCD
3 is tRP
6 is tRAS
1T command rate (Disabled for 1T, Enabled for 2T)

I've left the other as is

The processor is an athlon 3500+
It runs at nominal voltage/frequency. But I've not left on 'auto' the  
parameters because this card has a nasty auto-overclocking feature.


I've set manually to the nominal values :
I use a FSB of 200, multiplier 11  (If we can speak of FSB with this  
architecture).


I've cool and quient enabled





I changed Burst Length to 4 Beats (what t.h. is 64-Bit dq?)
and CAS to 3, left the rest on AUTO but still got the kernel panics  
with 64 Bit Kernels.


[ ... ]



Jean-Luc, you said you have the same mainboard. What other hardware
do you use? Maybe I can change the grafic card or give up the  
software raid to get a stable 64 bit system.
I would like to encourage other members of this list with an Asus A8V  
motherboard to report about there configuration so that I finally can

find a way to tell if I have a defect mainboard or an exotic hardware
composition problem.


I've :
2 SATA Maxtor disks on the VIA chipset, software RAID1
1 IDE DVD burner Pioneer 108
1 Asus Radeon A9250/TD (AGP)

I don't use the Promise chipset

I've used a Radeon 9500 also but not in 64 bit. I've given it to my  
daughters who *need* graphic power for the games...


The BIOS is 1013

Remark : I have had problems with the graphic mode and some machine  
check, even in 32 bit with the previous BIOS. 1009 was just working,  
it was imposible to have a graphical session with 1011 and 1012, there  
is a fix about AGP in 1013.




Best Regars

Matthias Wenthe



Regards

Jean-Luc
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Downloading DVD .ISO's

2005-07-20 Thread Justin Grindal
Quick question - 

I've been trying to download the DVD .ISO's from 

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-dvd/

and, instead of getting the 4.0 and 3.4 GB ISO's, mine only wind up
being an even 2GB.  Obviously, when they're done, the md5sum's don't
line up, and the images don't work.  I tried downloading them using my
WinXP box (first try was on FC3 box) and I only read them as 387 meg
downloads.  Any advice on how I can get the whole ISO?

-- 
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Re: Downloading DVD .ISO's

2005-07-20 Thread Jo Shields

Justin Grindal wrote:

Quick question - 

I've been trying to download the DVD .ISO's from 


http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-dvd/

and, instead of getting the 4.0 and 3.4 GB ISO's, mine only wind up
being an even 2GB.  Obviously, when they're done, the md5sum's don't
line up, and the images don't work.  I tried downloading them using my
WinXP box (first try was on FC3 box) and I only read them as 387 meg
downloads.  Any advice on how I can get the whole ISO?

 


This is a limitation of 32bit download apps.

Use a 64-bit downloader (e.g. wget on amd64, Firefox on amd64, even MSIE 
on XP 64bit), or use the .torrent file. Or you may have some luck with 
an ftp client. And I think curl can handle it, if you can get it to behave.


--Jo Shields


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locale-related problems running 32-bit application directly

2005-07-20 Thread Max

Hello!

I have a number of i32 lib directories listed in /etc/ld.so.conf that allows to 
run 32bit application directly.
But when I do so, some locale-sensitive application report errors like

I18N: X Window System doesn't support locale C

GLib: Cannot convert message: Conversion from character set 'UTF-8' to 'KOI8-R' 
is not supported

Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib
Gdk-WARNING **: cannot set locale modifiers
Gdk-WARNING **: Error converting from UTF-8 to STRING: Conversion from 
character set 'UTF-8' to 'ISO-8859-1' is not supported

These errors prevent the application from performing locale-related conversions 
etc.

In opposite, if I run 32-bit application via dchroot like

dchroot -d -c ia32 /usr/local/seamonkey/seamonkey

no any errors appear and all locale-related functions work great.

What's wrong with running 32-bit application directly and how can I fix the 
described problem?

Thanks,
Max


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Xorg and RADEON (dri disabled)

2005-07-20 Thread Ed Tomlinson
Hi,

With Xorg I get:

(==) RADEON(0): Write-combining range (0xd000,0x800)
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::01:00.0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK)
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 7
drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci::01:00.0
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] loaded kernel module for radeon driver
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] DRM interface version 1.2
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] created radeon driver at busid pci::01:00.0
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] added 8192 byte SAREA at 0xc2411000
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] drmMap failed
(EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.

And glxgears reports 300 frames per second.  How do I get dri back?  It
was working fine with XFree.  The XF86Config-4 was changed by the upgrade
dropping some parms in the Device section.  Restoring them has no effect
on the problem.

Ideas?

TIA,
Ed Tomlinson 


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Re: Downloading DVD .ISO's

2005-07-20 Thread Justin Grindal
I'm using Firefox, but it's still coming up as 2gigs...  where
does one get wget 64-bit?

On 7/20/05, Jo Shields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Justin Grindal wrote:
 
 Quick question -
 
 I've been trying to download the DVD .ISO's from
 
 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-dvd/
 
 and, instead of getting the 4.0 and 3.4 GB ISO's, mine only wind up
 being an even 2GB.  Obviously, when they're done, the md5sum's don't
 line up, and the images don't work.  I tried downloading them using my
 WinXP box (first try was on FC3 box) and I only read them as 387 meg
 downloads.  Any advice on how I can get the whole ISO?
 
 
 
 This is a limitation of 32bit download apps.
 
 Use a 64-bit downloader (e.g. wget on amd64, Firefox on amd64, even MSIE
 on XP 64bit), or use the .torrent file. Or you may have some luck with
 an ftp client. And I think curl can handle it, if you can get it to behave.
 
 --Jo Shields
 
 
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Re: Downloading DVD .ISO's

2005-07-20 Thread Javier Kohen
El mié, 20-07-2005 a las 17:56 -0600, Justin Grindal escribió:
 I'm using Firefox, but it's still coming up as 2gigs...  where
 does one get wget 64-bit?

I'd expect 32-bit wget to be able to handle large files (i.e., using
64-bit size markers). Actually I'd expect all of them to be able to
handle that, so don't trust my expectations.

Have you tried from a different location? Could a proxy server be
trimming your file? I'm just guessing, so don't take me too seriously.

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Re: Downloading DVD .ISO's

2005-07-20 Thread Max

Justin Grindal wrote:

I'm using Firefox, but it's still coming up as 2gigs...  


What filesystem do you use?


where does one get wget 64-bit?


http://software.lpetrov.net/wget-LFS/

Max




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Re: Downloading DVD .ISO's

2005-07-20 Thread Mattias Wadenstein

On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Javier Kohen wrote:


El mi?, 20-07-2005 a las 17:56 -0600, Justin Grindal escribi?:

I'm using Firefox, but it's still coming up as 2gigs...  where
does one get wget 64-bit?


I'd expect 32-bit wget to be able to handle large files (i.e., using
64-bit size markers). Actually I'd expect all of them to be able to
handle that, so don't trust my expectations.


Unfortunately not, wget has been particularly slow in fixing this. The fix 
did not make it to sarge.


My recommendation is lftp (lftpget to get a single url from the command 
line).


Btw, I too expected wget to handle this. But then, I was very surprised to 
see apache not handling large files either.


/Mattias Wadenstein


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Re: Xorg and RADEON (dri disabled)

2005-07-20 Thread Michal Schmidt

Ed Tomlinson wrote:

Hi,

With Xorg I get:

(==) RADEON(0): Write-combining range (0xd000,0x800)
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::01:00.0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK)
drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 7
drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci::01:00.0
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] loaded kernel module for radeon driver
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] DRM interface version 1.2
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] created radeon driver at busid pci::01:00.0
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] added 8192 byte SAREA at 0xc2411000
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] drmMap failed
(EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.

And glxgears reports 300 frames per second.  How do I get dri back?  It
was working fine with XFree.  The XF86Config-4 was changed by the upgrade
dropping some parms in the Device section.  Restoring them has no effect
on the problem.


What kernel do you use? I get the same behaviour with 2.6.13-rc3-mm1, 
but it works with 2.6.13-rc3.


Michal


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Re: Xorg and RADEON (dri disabled)

2005-07-20 Thread Javier Kohen
Hi Ed,

El mié, 20-07-2005 a las 19:23 -0400, Ed Tomlinson escribió:
 Hi,
 
 With Xorg I get:
 
 (==) RADEON(0): Write-combining range (0xd000,0x800)
 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
 drmOpenDevice: Open failed
 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
 drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
 drmOpenDevice: Open failed
 drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::01:00.0
 drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
 drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK)
 drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 7
 drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci::01:00.0
 (II) RADEON(0): [drm] loaded kernel module for radeon driver
 (II) RADEON(0): [drm] DRM interface version 1.2
 (II) RADEON(0): [drm] created radeon driver at busid pci::01:00.0
 (II) RADEON(0): [drm] added 8192 byte SAREA at 0xc2411000
 (II) RADEON(0): [drm] drmMap failed
 (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
 
 And glxgears reports 300 frames per second.  How do I get dri back?  It
 was working fine with XFree.  The XF86Config-4 was changed by the upgrade
 dropping some parms in the Device section.  Restoring them has no effect
 on the problem.

Install back the fglrx driver, one that's compiled for X.org. I just
upgraded to X.org, recompiled the kernel and the fglrx driver with GCC
4.0.1, rebooted and now I'm back here without a hitch. No need to touch
a single configuration.

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Re: Downloading DVD .ISO's

2005-07-20 Thread Justin Grindal
Hooray!  I've got the problem fixed.  Instead of using Firefox, I used
Konqueror and everything works great now.  Thanks for the help guys!

-Justin Grindal

On 7/20/05, Mattias Wadenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Wed, 20 Jul 2005, Javier Kohen wrote:
 
  El mi?, 20-07-2005 a las 17:56 -0600, Justin Grindal escribi?:
  I'm using Firefox, but it's still coming up as 2gigs...  where
  does one get wget 64-bit?
 
  I'd expect 32-bit wget to be able to handle large files (i.e., using
  64-bit size markers). Actually I'd expect all of them to be able to
  handle that, so don't trust my expectations.
 
 Unfortunately not, wget has been particularly slow in fixing this. The fix 
 did not make it to sarge.
 
 My recommendation is lftp (lftpget to get a single url from the command 
 line).
 
 Btw, I too expected wget to handle this. But then, I was very surprised to 
 see apache not handling large files either.
 
 /Mattias Wadenstein
 
 
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Re: Xorg and RADEON (dri disabled)

2005-07-20 Thread Ed Tomlinson
On Wednesday 20 July 2005 21:13, Michal Schmidt wrote:
 Ed Tomlinson wrote:
  Hi,
  
  With Xorg I get:
  
  (==) RADEON(0): Write-combining range (0xd000,0x800)
  drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
  drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
  drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
  drmOpenDevice: Open failed
  drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
  drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
  drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
  drmOpenDevice: Open failed
  drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci::01:00.0
  drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
  drmOpenDevice: open result is 7, (OK)
  drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 7
  drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci::01:00.0
  (II) RADEON(0): [drm] loaded kernel module for radeon driver
  (II) RADEON(0): [drm] DRM interface version 1.2
  (II) RADEON(0): [drm] created radeon driver at busid pci::01:00.0
  (II) RADEON(0): [drm] added 8192 byte SAREA at 0xc2411000
  (II) RADEON(0): [drm] drmMap failed
  (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
  
  And glxgears reports 300 frames per second.  How do I get dri back?  It
  was working fine with XFree.  The XF86Config-4 was changed by the upgrade
  dropping some parms in the Device section.  Restoring them has no effect
  on the problem.

 What kernel do you use? I get the same behaviour with 2.6.13-rc3-mm1, 
 but it works with 2.6.13-rc3.

I also use 2.6.13-rc3-mm1.  Will try with a previous version an report to lkml 
if
it works.

Thanks
Ed


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Re: Downloading DVD .ISO's

2005-07-20 Thread Alan Ianson
On Wed July 20 2005 04:31 pm, Justin Grindal wrote:
 Quick question -

 I've been trying to download the DVD .ISO's from

 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-dvd/

 and, instead of getting the 4.0 and 3.4 GB ISO's, mine only wind up
 being an even 2GB.  Obviously, when they're done, the md5sum's don't
 line up, and the images don't work.  I tried downloading them using my
 WinXP box (first try was on FC3 box) and I only read them as 387 meg
 downloads.  Any advice on how I can get the whole ISO?

I got mine with Jigdo and haven't looked back. If you decided to use jigdo 
you'll need the .jigdo and .template and point jigdo to 
http://amd64.debian.net/debian-amd64/ .


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Re: Downloading DVD .ISO's

2005-07-20 Thread Mark Nipper
On 20 Jul 2005, Justin Grindal wrote:
 Quick question - 
 
 I've been trying to download the DVD .ISO's from 
 
 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-dvd/
 
 and, instead of getting the 4.0 and 3.4 GB ISO's, mine only wind up
 being an even 2GB.  Obviously, when they're done, the md5sum's don't
 line up, and the images don't work.  I tried downloading them using my
 WinXP box (first try was on FC3 box) and I only read them as 387 meg
 downloads.  Any advice on how I can get the whole ISO?

I'm surprised cdimage.debian.org is even serving those
files properly.  I didn't think Apache (2.1 anyway) would serve
out large files.  At least my experience with 2.0.x would suggest
otherwise.

From my own experience, curl is one of the few cross
platform utilities which will handle large files.  I've gone as
far as installing Cygwin on Windows machines just to make this
work as 32-bit IE and Firefox wouldn't handle it.

And on the server side, I've started using Cherokee
exactly because it supports large files properly.  I was humored
to see that the recent Apache 2.1 development branch finally
added proper large file support.  But again, I'm surprised
cdimage.debian.org is handling these files correctly (if in fact
it even is).

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Re: Downloading DVD .ISO's

2005-07-20 Thread Greg Madden
On Wednesday 20 July 2005 03:31 pm, Justin Grindal wrote:
 Quick question -

 I've been trying to download the DVD .ISO's from

 http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-dvd/

 and, instead of getting the 4.0 and 3.4 GB ISO's, mine only wind up
 being an even 2GB.  Obviously, when they're done, the md5sum's don't
 line up, and the images don't work.  I tried downloading them using
 my WinXP box (first try was on FC3 box) and I only read them as 387
 meg downloads.  Any advice on how I can get the whole ISO?

Glad to see it works, Other options are jigdo  torrents, both supported 
by Debian, i.e., available same location as the iso's. I am seeding the 
Sarge AMD64 dvd's now, not much bandwidth though :-)


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