Re: nvidia_drv in lib64 folder

[Jonathan Lewis]

On 8/12/05, Adam Majer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Zachary Rizer wrote:>--- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>wrote:>Why do it the dirty way>>when the proper way
>>exists and is rather easy.>>It "exists" in experimental.  sid's nvidia packages,>otoh, have been stale since May.  That's unacceptable.> And, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's because all
>of the nvidia packages were removed from Debian>because of the removal of non-free?  Unless I had that>wrong, but that was a matter of discussion months back.>>1. Non-free was never removed from Debian
2. You can get packages not on your mirror from   packages.debian.org/so,packages.debian.org/nvidia-glx
Now, there is no Amd64 binary packages in experimental, so, grab thesources (see page above)cd /tmp  then for each of the above,wget 
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.7667-3.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.7667.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.7667-3.diff.gzThen dodpkg-source -x nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.7667-3.dsccd nvidia-graphics-drivers*
fakeroot dpkg-buildpackagecd ..and you have ALL of the debs ready to install. You'll have to build yourown nvidia kernel module (as always) after installing thenvidia-kernel-source package, but that is really not a problem.
Hell of a lot less messy than using the nvidia installer which messes upvirtually the entire Xorg installation.- Adam--To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to 
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I'm not sure how it works, but Kanotix has a built in script to install nVidia drivers...

I just typed:

install-nvidia-debian.sh

and it did all the work for me. Unfortunately, I'm in windows right now
so I'm not sure on the contents of the script, but my other boot option
is Kanotix 64 bit with kernel 2.6.11 for AMD64. The only thing it
didn't do is configure TwinView for dual monitor support. That's an
issue I'm still trying to work out. Kanotix is based on SID, but I
THINK the script pulls the nvidia files from nvidia, not a debian
repository. (from what I saw watching it install, that's where it
seemed to download them from)

~Jon

Re: CPU burns 3

[Adam Majer]

antonio giulio wrote:

>>>If you use ACPI and fan is not loaded, try to add "fan" and "thermal"
>>>in /etc/modules
>>>  
>>>
>
>Hey, nbook is come back just now :)
>"fan" and "thermal" modules are loaded at start. I made new test... 5
>minutes and... auto-shutdown @#*^! Same old story...
>
>maybe fan/thermal need of setup?
>
>Thanks,
>Giulio
>
>P.S.: I'm going to launch through the window this nb!
>  
>

Run 32-bit Linux from a CD or something. For example the
http://knoppix.org/ livecd. Run a test there. Use lm-sensors (sensors)
to monitor your CPU temp and fan speeds during the test. Well, hopefully
they'll work.

Then repeat the process in 64-bit mode.

If it works in 32-bit and not in 64-bit, then get your money back. The
laptop won't work in 64-bit mode because of inadequate cooling and since
they probably advertised as 64-bit processor, well, they lied.

In either case it is important to monitor the CPU temp and fan speeds to
make sure that at least the fan is running at the same speed in both modes.

- Adam



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Re: nvidia_drv in lib64 folder

[Adam Majer]

Zachary Rizer wrote:

>--- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Why do it the dirty way
>>when the proper way
>>exists and is rather easy.
>>
>>
>
>It "exists" in experimental.  sid's nvidia packages,
>otoh, have been stale since May.  That's unacceptable.
> And, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's because all
>of the nvidia packages were removed from Debian
>because of the removal of non-free?  Unless I had that
>wrong, but that was a matter of discussion months back.
>  
>

1. Non-free was never removed from Debian
2. You can get packages not on your mirror from
   packages.debian.org/

so,

packages.debian.org/nvidia-glx

Now, there is no Amd64 binary packages in experimental, so, grab the
sources (see page above)

cd /tmp
  then for each of the above,
wget 

http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.7667-3.dsc
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.7667.orig.tar.gz
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.7667-3.diff.gz

Then do

dpkg-source -x nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.7667-3.dsc
cd nvidia-graphics-drivers*
fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage
cd ..

and you have ALL of the debs ready to install. You'll have to build your
own nvidia kernel module (as always) after installing the
nvidia-kernel-source package, but that is really not a problem.


Hell of a lot less messy than using the nvidia installer which messes up
virtually the entire Xorg installation.

- Adam



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Re: so, what's in your 'sources.list'?

[Max]

Lennart Sorensen wrote:


deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian sarge main contrib non-free


List of available mirrors:
http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html

Max


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Re: nvidia_drv in lib64 folder

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 09:17:41AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote:
> It "exists" in experimental.  sid's nvidia packages,
> otoh, have been stale since May.  That's unacceptable.
>  And, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's because all
> of the nvidia packages were removed from Debian
> because of the removal of non-free?  Unless I had that
> wrong, but that was a matter of discussion months back.

If non-free was removed from debian, then I missed something.

amd64 removed non-free when they moved of the debian servers to
amd64.debian.net, but restored many of them for sarge later.

Len Sorensen


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Re: nvidia_drv in lib64 folder

[Zachary Rizer]

--- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Why do it the dirty way
> when the proper way
> exists and is rather easy.

It "exists" in experimental.  sid's nvidia packages,
otoh, have been stale since May.  That's unacceptable.
 And, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's because all
of the nvidia packages were removed from Debian
because of the removal of non-free?  Unless I had that
wrong, but that was a matter of discussion months back.


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Re: nvidia_drv in lib64 folder

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 08:54:28AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote:
> Well, I went another route (I'm notoriously
> impatient).  It succeeded (or so it seems, so far) so
> I figured I'd post here for other people to reference.
>  The most recent nvidia packages in debian-am64[sid]
> were version 6229, released back in late April of 05. 
> Currently, the version is 7667, released a few weeks
> back.  I ran the nvidia-installer from nvidia.com, and
> it actually worked.

Well the most recent packages in experimental are 7667.

So now how will you ever clean up when you want to remove the nvidia
driver?  Does the nvidia installer have an uninstall option?  Does it
do the right thing?  Doing anything that places files in /usr (outside
local) without apt, is just asking for trouble now or in the future.
And it just seems dirty.  Why do it the dirty way when the proper way
exists and is rather easy.

> Details:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] uname -a
> Linux fortunato 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 #1 Wed Aug 10
> 03:17:19 CEST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
> NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86_64 NVIDIA Kernel Module
>  1.0-7667  Fri Jun 17 07:14:03 PDT 2005
> GCC version:  gcc version 4.0.2 20050806 (prerelease)
> (Debian 4.0.1-4)
> 
> I'm remote, but I modprobe'd the newly installed
> module, and then restarted Xorg (gdm, actually), and
> it started up just fine.  No errors, no bad warnings.
> 
> I'll see if it'll run ET or Q3 tonight; that will be
> the real test...

Len Sorensen


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Re: nvidia_drv in lib64 folder

[Zachary Rizer]

--- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 08:34:03AM -0700, Zachary
> Rizer wrote:
> > nvidia-glx isn't available in non-free.
> > 
> > My sources.list ->
> > 
> > deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian sid main
> contrib
> > non-free
> > 
> > But:
> > apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx
> > 
> > * Reinstallation of nvidia-glx is not possible, it
> > cannot be downloaded.
> 
> Try adding sarge non-free and then try.  It seems to
> have it at the
> moment.
> 
> Other option is to use the new packages from
> experimental and rebuild
> them on amd64.  That should work too.  Someone
> mentioned on the list
> recently where to get the packages from experimental
> and how to build
> them on amd64 as far as I remember.
> 
> Anything is better than the nvidia installer.
> 
> > Tried using this howto ... what is m-a?  And much
> of
> > this seems XFree-centric.  Can we use these nvidia
> > packages with Xorg?
> 
> That I don't know yet.  I have mainly stayed with
> sarge.
> 
> Len Sorensen
> 

Well, I went another route (I'm notoriously
impatient).  It succeeded (or so it seems, so far) so
I figured I'd post here for other people to reference.
 The most recent nvidia packages in debian-am64[sid]
were version 6229, released back in late April of 05. 
Currently, the version is 7667, released a few weeks
back.  I ran the nvidia-installer from nvidia.com, and
it actually worked.

Details:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] uname -a
Linux fortunato 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 #1 Wed Aug 10
03:17:19 CEST 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux

[EMAIL PROTECTED] cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
NVRM version: NVIDIA Linux x86_64 NVIDIA Kernel Module
 1.0-7667  Fri Jun 17 07:14:03 PDT 2005
GCC version:  gcc version 4.0.2 20050806 (prerelease)
(Debian 4.0.1-4)

I'm remote, but I modprobe'd the newly installed
module, and then restarted Xorg (gdm, actually), and
it started up just fine.  No errors, no bad warnings.

I'll see if it'll run ET or Q3 tonight; that will be
the real test...

Zaq Rizer


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Re: nvidia_drv in lib64 folder

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 08:34:03AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote:
> nvidia-glx isn't available in non-free.
> 
> My sources.list ->
> 
> deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian sid main contrib
> non-free
> 
> But:
> apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx
> 
> * Reinstallation of nvidia-glx is not possible, it
> cannot be downloaded.

Try adding sarge non-free and then try.  It seems to have it at the
moment.

Other option is to use the new packages from experimental and rebuild
them on amd64.  That should work too.  Someone mentioned on the list
recently where to get the packages from experimental and how to build
them on amd64 as far as I remember.

Anything is better than the nvidia installer.

> Tried using this howto ... what is m-a?  And much of
> this seems XFree-centric.  Can we use these nvidia
> packages with Xorg?

That I don't know yet.  I have mainly stayed with sarge.

Len Sorensen


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Re: nvidia_drv in lib64 folder

[Zachary Rizer]

--- Lennart Sorensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> There is a lovely nvidia-kernel-source package in
> non-free.  Use it.

> nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source

nvidia-glx isn't available in non-free.

My sources.list ->

deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian sid main contrib
non-free

But:
apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx

* Reinstallation of nvidia-glx is not possible, it
cannot be downloaded.

> 
> I even have a howto at:
> http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/
> 

Tried using this howto ... what is m-a?  And much of
this seems XFree-centric.  Can we use these nvidia
packages with Xorg?


Zaq Rizer



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Re: nvidia_drv in lib64 folder

[Goswin von Brederlow]

Fabuio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I use Sarge Debian amd64 with kernel 2.6.11
> and I have this video driver from www.nvidia.com:
> NFORCE-Linux-x86_64-1.0-0301-pkg1.run
>
> it makes (in lib64)
>
> /usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o
> /usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
>
> while XF86 use another folder (lib)
>
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/...
>
> I have to copy nvidia_drv in /usr/X11R6/lib/...?
> Whi XF86 not use /usr/X11R6/lib64... folder?
>
> thanks
>
> Antonio

Because this is pure64 which use lib instead of lib64.

MfG
Goswin


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Re: so, what's in your 'sources.list'?

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 12:54:40PM -0100, p wrote:
> i've loaded debian-amd64 (minimum install)  on an acer ferrari 
> 4000.   i need to apt-get more packages.   do i have the right 
> 'sources.list'?:
> 
>  
> deb  http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-pure64 sarge
> main contrib non-free
> 
> deb-srchttp://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-pure64 
> sarge main contrib non-free
> 
> 
> i've used the same 'sources.list' on another "64" box a couple 
> weeks ago, and it was fine.now,  it isn't working anymore. 
> i've  been  trying  since  yesterday.   care  to  share yours?
> 
> or, is 'debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org' down?   (is  there  an 
> 'eta'--when it'll be available?)

It was moved to another server and is no longer on alioth.

> i'm not sure my subscription to debian-amd64@lists.debian.org
> has "kicked in," yet, so please feel free to cc me.

deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian sarge main contrib non-free

Len Sorensen


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Re: nvidia_drv in lib64 folder

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 05:45:27PM +0200, Fabuio wrote:
> I use Sarge Debian amd64 with kernel 2.6.11
> and I have this video driver from www.nvidia.com:
> NFORCE-Linux-x86_64-1.0-0301-pkg1.run

There is a lovely nvidia-kernel-source package in non-free.  Use it.
nvidia is brain washed by redhat or something and think everyone does
things the way redhat does.  Debian doesn't.

Oh and runing 3rd party installers is a very bad idea.  It was a bad
idea when Microsoft told people to do it, and it is still a bad idea.

> it makes (in lib64)
> 
> /usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o
> /usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so
> 
> while XF86 use another folder (lib)
> 
> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/...
> 
> I have to copy nvidia_drv in /usr/X11R6/lib/...?
> Whi XF86 not use /usr/X11R6/lib64... folder?

Just remove the mess you made and install the debian packages instead.

nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source

I even have a howto at:
http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/

Len Sorensen


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so, what's in your 'sources.list'?

[p]

hi,

i've loaded debian-amd64 (minimum install)  on an acer ferrari 
4000.   i need to apt-get more packages.   do i have the right 
'sources.list'?:

 
deb  http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-pure64 sarge
main contrib non-free

deb-srchttp://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/debian-pure64 
sarge main contrib non-free


i've used the same 'sources.list' on another "64" box a couple 
weeks ago, and it was fine.now,  it isn't working anymore. 
i've  been  trying  since  yesterday.   care  to  share yours?

or, is 'debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org' down?   (is  there  an 
'eta'--when it'll be available?)

i'm not sure my subscription to debian-amd64@lists.debian.org
has "kicked in," yet, so please feel free to cc me.

thx.

b.



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nvidia_drv in lib64 folder

[Fabuio]

I use Sarge Debian amd64 with kernel 2.6.11
and I have this video driver from www.nvidia.com:
NFORCE-Linux-x86_64-1.0-0301-pkg1.run

it makes (in lib64)

/usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o
/usr/X11R6/lib64/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so

while XF86 use another folder (lib)

/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/...

I have to copy nvidia_drv in /usr/X11R6/lib/...?
Whi XF86 not use /usr/X11R6/lib64... folder?

thanks

Antonio






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Re: CPU burns 3

[antonio giulio]

> > If you use ACPI and fan is not loaded, try to add "fan" and "thermal"
> > in /etc/modules

Hey, nbook is come back just now :)
"fan" and "thermal" modules are loaded at start. I made new test... 5
minutes and... auto-shutdown @#*^! Same old story...

maybe fan/thermal need of setup?

Thanks,
Giulio

P.S.: I'm going to launch through the window this nb!

[Fwd: Debian Project adds Security Support for AMD64]

[Ron Johnson]

 Forwarded Message 
> From: Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Debian News Channel 
> Subject: Debian Project adds Security Support for AMD64
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:16:48 +0200
> 
> 
> The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/
> Debian adds Security Support for AMD64  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> August 11th, 2005   http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050811
> 
> 
> Debian Project adds Security Support for AMD64
> 
> The Debian project adds security support for the stable amd64
> distribution.  This port is not yet part of the Debian archive, but it
> will be included in unstable/testing soon and users already benefit
> from security updates distributed via security.debian.org.
> 
> A special advisory will be released soon by the security team to cover
> newly built amd64 packages for all security updates since the release
> of sarge.  These packages will replace already existing files in the
> proposed-updates directory in the amd64 archive.
> 
> Because the project has released version 3.1 (codename: sarge) of its
> distribution without the amd64 port due to technical reasons, the
> porters have released their packages on a different server with only
> minimal differences to the Debian 3.1 archive.  This port will be
> included in the unstable and testing distribution soon.
> 
> As a first step to adding full support for the amd64 port the
> ftpmasters have added this architecture to security.debian.org and
> connected a new build daemon to the archive.  Future security
> advisories will therefore list 12 architectures for the sarge release
> and users of this port will be able to use the regular source for
> security updates as well.
> 
> 
> Future Plans for full AMD64 Support
> 
> Several issues have to be resolved before the amd64 port can be fully
> included.  Most importantly the ftpmaster service needs to be moved to
> its final destination, as its former hosting offer has been terminated
> and it is now hosted in a temporary location.  A detailed list of
> things to do follows:
> 
>  1. Add security support
>  2. Move ftpmaster to its final location
>  3. Implement the archive split
>  4. Add amd64 architecture
>  5. Rebuild the archive with regards to amd64
>  6. Eventually have full support for amd64
> 
> 
> Resources for the AMD64 Port
> 
> Security Updates
>   deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main
> 
> CD and DVD Images
>   http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/
> 
> AMD64 Packages
>   deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian main
> 
> AMD64 Mirror List
>   http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html
> 
> Differences to Debian 3.1
>   http://amd64.debian.net/docs/package_changes.txt
> 
> 
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Re: is Quanta 64bit stable ?

[Adam Stiles]

On Thursday 11 August 2005 18:34, Ernest jw ter Kuile wrote:
> Up to now I hadn't really looked at Quanta.
>
> Having read loads of positive comments about it I was badly disappointed
> after even my first test. It crashes on me regularly.
>
> I can be used, but to build anything usefull I must save every few seconds.
>
> Is 64bit Quanta (3.3.2 with kde 3.4.1) "work in progress" ? or are the
> praises coming from people who only look, but don't touch ?
>
> No, I haven't submitted any bug reports. If what currently happens to
> Quanta should be fitted in a bug report it would contain something like :
>
>   To repeat bug, just start Quanta and build any html page.
>
> which isn't very usefull.
>
>
> What other (more stable) web page builder are people using ?
>
>
> Ernest.

I personally use kate for creating web pages.  I have installed kbear, but I 
don't generally use as an FTP client it in its own right  {I prefer ncftp}.  
Instead, I enter something like
kbearftp://[EMAIL PROTECTED]/~mypatch/public_html/index.php
in kate's file requester, and treat my web space as though it was part of my 
own local file system.

kate seems to have syntax highlighting for almost every known language.  It's 
even smart enough to handle JavaScript, PHP and X?HTML in the same document.  
I can have multiple files open, and easily flick between a page and its 
associated style sheet, or a CGI-script and any file it may use.  

But I also have shell access  :-]  so I sometimes do very minor edits right 
there on the server, using pico, just because I can.  
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