Re: nvidia driver installation problem

2005-09-19 Thread Azer Demir
hi yannick,

i got a detailed output from dmesg, i've supported rivafb in kernel
2.6.13 that i compiled, i had no idea that rivafb and nvidia
conflicts. now i'll compile kernel again without rivafb support.

lsmod ouptu didn't show rivafb and when i tried modprobe rivafb it was
loaded. this means it is dynamic loadable module, isn't it? the thing
that i didn't understand is it enough for rivafb support that this
conflict happpens? i mean, neither i load this module or not, this
conflict happens cause i gave rivafb support for kernel.

thanks.
Azer

18.09.2005 tarihinde Yannick - Debian/Linux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yazmış:
> Hi,
> 
> I can't help you with this particular problem but i maybe can give you
> some hope :
> i've tried to build the nvidia driver in debian way with 2.6.13 from
> kernel.org but i failed. The good news is i installed 7676 with the
> nvidia-installer (nvidia way) after removed the nvidia debian packages :
> i'm using it currently and as an exemple bzflag and ennemy-territory
> works very well here... But as i tried a lot of stuffs to get it work i
> can't provide you a process to follow.
> 
> Regards,
> Yannick
> 
> Azer Demir a écrit :
> 
> >hi everybody,
> >
> >yesterday i compiled 2.6.13 kernel, cause i hope to see my tv card
> >detected automatically. i did compile with make-kpkg, and used
> >2.6.11-9-amd64-k8 kernel's config file. there was no problem during
> >compile and after it. when i booted the system with 2.6.13 kernel, but
> >kernel can't load nvidia module. i removed old nvidia-glx,
> >nvidia-kernel-common packages, and prepapared for new nvidia driver
> >installation.
> >
> >first, i run module-assistant and
> >it made nvidia-kernel-2.6.13.20050917 package. after this, i got
> >nvidia-graphics-drivers source package, and made the binary packages.
> >but when i rebooted the system i saw that kernel
> >still can't load nvidia module.  now i want to give outputs of some
> >commands.
> >
> >`dpkg -l | grep nvidia`
> >-
> >ii  nvidia-glx1.0.7174-3  NVIDIA
> >binary XFree86 4.x driver
> >ii  nvidia-kernel-2.6.13.200509171.0.7174-3+r1NVIDIA binary
> >kernel module for Linux 2.6.13
> >ii  nvidia-kernel-common  1.0.7174-1NVIDIA binary
> >kernel module common files
> >ii  nvidia-kernel-source  1.0.7174-3  NVIDIA binary
> >kernel module source
> >
> >
> >`locate nvidia.ko`
> >
> >/lib/modules/2.6.13.20050917/nvidia/nvidia.ko
> >/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian/nvidia-kernel-2.6.13.20050917/lib/modules/2.6.13.20050917/nvidia/nvidia.ko
> >/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/debian/nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-11-amd64-generic/lib/modules/2.6.8-11-amd64-generic/nvidia/nvidia.ko
> >
> >
> >the binary packages that i made by nvidia-graphics-drivers
> >---
> >nvidia-glx_1.0.7174-3_amd64.deb
> >nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.7174-3_amd64.deb
> >nvidia-glx-ia32_1.0.7174-3_amd64.deb
> >nnvidia-kernel-source_1.0.7174-3_amd64.deb
> >
> >at first, i suspected nvidia-kernel-common packet's different version
> >number from others, i use testing, and i looked with apt-show-versions,
> >nvidia-kernel-common is uptodate for testing, there is different
> >versions in unstable and experimental.
> >
> >a question come on my mind that aren't these packages for nvidia driver
> >enough, or did i install a package that is not necessary?
> >
> >a nvidia.ko module that i used with 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic kernel remain
> >in the system as it can see from `locate nvidia.ko` output, can problem
> >be a conflict of two 'nvidia.ko' module? i mean, didn't old nvidia
> >driver files clean completely?
> >
> >if i didn't remember wrong, after nvidia driver installation, nvidia
> >creates a devicce file(the name may be nvidia, isn't it?). i saw an
> >error "no such device", after i can't login by gdm. and when i try to
> >modprobe nvidia, i get the same error.
> >
> ># modprobe nvidia
> >FATAL: Error inserting nvidia
> >(/lib/modules/2.6.13.20050917/nvidia/nvidia.ko): No such device
> >
> >
> >the last possibility i think that the device nvidia creates is missing.
> >
> >$ ls /dev
> >cdromptyc7  ptyq9  ptyub  ptyydtty22  ttyb1  ttyp3  ttyt1  ttyx3
> >cdrw ptyc8  ptyqa  ptyuc  ptyyetty23  ttyb2  ttyp4  ttyt2  ttyx4
> >console  ptyc9  ptyqb  ptyud  ptyyftty24  ttyb3  ttyp5  ttyt3  ttyx5
> >core ptyca  ptyqc  ptyue  ptyz0tty25  ttyb4  ttyp6  ttyt4  ttyx6
> >fb0  ptycb  ptyqd  ptyuf  ptyz1tty26  ttyb5  ttyp7  ttyt5  ttyx7
> >fb1  ptycc  ptyqe  ptyv0  ptyz2tty27  ttyb6  ttyp8  ttyt6  ttyx8
> >fd   ptycd  ptyqf  ptyv1  ptyz3tty28  ttyb7  ttyp9  ttyt7  ttyx9
> >fd0  ptyce  ptyr0  ptyv2  ptyz4tty29  ttyb8  ttypa  ttyt8  ttyxa
> >full ptycf  ptyr1  ptyv3  ptyz5tty3   ttyb9  ttypb  ttyt9  ttyxb
> >hdd  ptyd0  ptyr2  ptyv4  ptyz6tty30  ttyba  ttypc  tt

Re: Debian Sid amd64 on a Compaq v2310us (status report)

2005-09-19 Thread Tim T.
On 9/20/05, Ken Bloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have previously posted to vox-tech@lists.lugod.org about attempts toinstall Linux on my Turion64 based Compaq Presario v2310us laptop. I'mposting this as a howto to both vox-tech, and also debian-amd64, so that
there should be an internet record of how to get a successful systemworking.Ken,
  thanks for your post. From the specs of your laptop, it's fairly similar to my Acer Aspire 5024, 
  (which probably  explains why the acer wireless driver works ;)

  I have one open problem at the moment: I can't get the battery status to show. Did  you have to
 change anything to make that work, or are you using a preconfigured kernel ?

  TimT. 



Re: unreal tournament 2004

2005-09-19 Thread Levi Bard
Probably this isn't helpful, but I didn't have to do anything special
to run ut2004 - just ran the installer, it detected the amd64 system,
installed the 64bit binaries, and it just ran.  Can you get any useful
error/logging output?

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Debian Sid amd64 on a Compaq v2310us (status report)

2005-09-19 Thread Ken Bloom
I have previously posted to vox-tech@lists.lugod.org about attempts to
install Linux on my Turion64 based Compaq Presario v2310us laptop. I'm
posting this as a howto to both vox-tech, and also debian-amd64, so that
there should be an internet record of how to get a successful system
working.

In the beginning I tried installing Debian Sid for amd64, but gave up
quickly because I didn't know of wireless drivers for the laptop. I
didn't even keep that installed long enough to bother writing down what
worked and what didn't. That problem could have been resolved way back
then, but I tried a few more distributions before making Debian Sid work
again.

I tried Kubuntu hoary for i386, and the results are documented at
http://lists.lugod.org/mailinglists/archives/vox-tech/2005-09/msg3.html
and at
http://lists.lugod.org/mailinglists/archives/vox-tech/2005-09/msg00017.html
I would bet you're probably going to try to read these. I'm going to
reference some things in those posts, but only for the sake of
contradicting things I said in those posts.

After finding that wireless driver, I reinstalled to Kubuntu breezy for
amd64. That turned out to be a complete disaster, owing in part to some
bugs still outstanding on Debian Sid (they're fixable though and
irrelevant to most people), but also owing to a complete and total melt
down of all of my network drivers, for reasons passing understanding. So
I gave up and installed Debian Sid for AMD64 again.

*** Executive Summary ***
The wireless card needs ndiswrapper to run. The windows driver is
available from acer.

You can either get accelerated video with the fglrx driver but no resume
support, or you can get unaccelerated video with the ati driver, but
with resume support. I chose the latter.

You need kernel 2.6.11 or later to get DMA working.

I don't know anything about the memory card reader, nor do I have
firewire peripherals. It seems that the former probably doesn't work,
but the latter probably does.

*** Specs ***
*** Specs ***
 The specs for this laptop are as follows (copied from
http://reviews.designtechnica.com/review2907_specs14544.html, with
slight modifications to add slightly more techinal information)

Processor:AMD Turion 64 processor ml-28+ with PowerNow! 1.60GHz
Chipset: ATI
Shipping operating system:Windows XP Professional for 32-bit with
Service Pack 2
Memory:512MB DDR SDRAM (2 x 256MB) at 333MHz; maximum memory
2048MB DDR SDRAM
Graphics card:ATI MOBILITY RADEON 200M with 128MB DDR (dedicated)
Hard drive:80GB Enhanced IDE
Primary CD/DVD drive:DVD/CD-RW combo drive
Display:14.0" WXGA High-Definition BrightView Widescreen (1280 x
768) display
Wireless connectivity:54g Integrated 802.11b/g wireless LAN with
25HSM/SpeedBooster support (based on a Broadcom chipset)
Digital media:6-in-1 integrated Digital Media Reader for Secure
Digital cards, MultiMediaCard, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro,
SmartMedia or xD-Picture Cards (Texas Instruments)
External ports:3 Universal Serial Bus (USB) 2.0, 1 notebook
expansion port, 1 IEEE 1394 (FireWire)
Communications:Integrated 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45
connector), high speed 56K modem (RJ-11 connector)
Dimensions:13.15" (L) x 9.1" (W) x 1.29" (H) (min) or 1.53" (H) (max)
Weight:5.38 lb.
Sound:Altec Lansing

*** Debian Install ***
I installed Debian Sarge, using a netinstall CD over wired ethernet. The
install used Kernel 2.6.8 as the install kernel. As DMA for the ATI
chipset is not supported until kernel 2.6.11, I had another working
computer download kernel 2.6.12 from Debian sid amd64, so that I could
scp it over and install it as soon as possible after the initial install
is done.

After installing the 2.6.12 kernel, I upgraded to Debian Sid, and
installed my favorite packages.

*** Video ***
You can use the ATI driver, or the non-free fglrx driver.

The ATI driver is unaccelerated, but supports suspend/resume.

The fglrx driver is accelerated, but does not support suspend/resume.

I chose the former. To specify that you want unaccelerated video, you
must use the option
Option  "noaccel"
in Section "Device".
Becuase my cursor looked ugly after that, I also used
Option  "swcursor"
You may be able to get away without swcursor. Try it. The worst that can
happen is aesthetic problems.

My xorg.conf is attached.

For some reason, I can't use the scroll stuff, and can't get the
typing-disables-trackpad behavior. I could probably reconfigure that,
but I would have to use
Option "shmconfig" "on"
in the Section "InputDevice" corresponding to the synaptics touchpad.
When I turned that on, things started to crash, so I turned it off. I
might have even had that working on Debian and lost it in a
dist-upgrade. I'm not sure.

If you have a solution, let me know.

You can ignore the other mutterings on vox-tech about synaptics not
working. I know I've gotten it to work fine on at least one of these
installs.

*** Video Part

Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread valentin_nils
Paul ,

thanks for the corrections below (Hypertransport), I mistook the word ;-o.

I also agree with you that the cooling SHOULD be same for 246-252 , but my
experience shows me that its not.

The Zalman most certainly qualifies for all CPUs here ;-) (its one of the
few around) , but its not necessarily small ;-)

Best regards

Nils Valentin
Tokyo / Japan
http://www.be-known-online.com

>> Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may
>> want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and
>> also
>> doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-)
>>
>> Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252
>> might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do
>> his
>> job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-).
>
> IIRC the 252 has the same thermal rating (89W) as the 246, so the cooling
> system should be the same. Even the dual-core chips are only 95W. Most
> Opteron cooling systems should be able to cope with any of these. The
> Zalman
> coolers are very quiet and more than capable of coping with these CPUs.
>
> If you're bothered about heat/noise you should probably go for the HE
> cpus.
> These are more expensive, but only generate about half the heat (55W). A
> 246HE runs exactly the same speed as a regular 246.
>
> You should also look at the Athlon64 X2 CPUs. For many workloads these are
> just as good as a dual socket board. Obviously with a dual socket board
> you
> have the option of building a quad-core machine.
>
>> Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The
>> SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something
>> like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system.
>
> amd64 systems scale pretty well up to [at least] 4 CPUs. In my experience
> much
> better than Intel systems. I've seen CPU/memory intensive workloads scale
> linearly.  Obviously if your workload is IO bound throwing more CPUs at it
> probably won't help at all.
>
>> What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy
>> load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It
>> will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus
>> between the CPUs.
>
> Hypertransport, not Hyperthreading.
>
>> This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for
>> an
>> application.
>
> It's worth noting that even remote memory (ie. attached to the other CPU)
> is
> still closer (lower latency) than system memory on many Intel systems.
>
> Paul
>
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Re: Re: soundcard not detected by alsaconf

2005-09-19 Thread Tony Andrews
I have the Chaintech VNF4 Ultra VE.  Its a nforce4
motherboard.  I think that it has a realtek chip but I know that I
can use the nvidia or Realtek drivers on the windows side.  I am
convinced that its a compatibility issue with this kernel but, if
anyone know of any alternatives, I'm open to suggestions.  I'm
still also interested in a kernel install tutorial.  thanks


Re: unreal tournament 2004

2005-09-19 Thread Dean Hamstead

im running debian-amd64 sid also
nvidia gefore 6600gt pcie
nvidia drivers 1.0-7676 (previous versions dont like my card)
k 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8

3d acceleration is working
glxgears gives 3000+fps

tuxracers works nicely at around 500fps
gltron also with around 1000fps.

needless to say though i havent paid $2500 for 1000fps gltron :(


Dean



If we can't figure out what's happening here, try asking on the ut2004
mailing list:
http://icculus.org/lgfaq/#ut2k4ml

Or, if you have an nvidia card, try the nvidia linux forum:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14

For what it's worth, I have ut2004 working fine, so there's not some
inherent problem with debian-amd64 and ut2004.

* debian-amd64 sid
* linux 2.6.13
* nvidia geforce 5900xt
* nvidia drivers version 1.0-7676

-Corey




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Re: unreal tournament 2004

2005-09-19 Thread Dean Hamstead

i wish i could get into the game to have this bug!

does ut2k4 access the cdrom? as the 2.6.12 kernel has a
kernel oops when i try to mount the cdrom (other than
that it works better than 2.6.8) any thoughts? is
there a 2.6.12-2 or 2.6.13 deb around?

Dean

Alexander Nagel wrote:

Hi,
i cannot help you with your current problem.
But if you can play check following bug:
https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2054
greets
Alex




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Re: tcmplex

2005-09-19 Thread Lee Begg
On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:23, William Brown wrote:
> As well, I tried searching debian archives sarge, sid, marillat, and
> found nothing for tcmplex, or even mplex.
>
> Can anyone tell me where I can find tcmplex, or mplex for sid, in
> sourced or precompiled binary?

mplex is in mjpegtools, which you should find on marillat (and source on SF).  
Despite it's name, it has a range of mpeg, mpeg2 and mjpeg tools

> Thanks.

Hope this helps.

Later
Lee Begg


pgpsgG9KDLXT7.pgp
Description: PGP signature


tcmplex

2005-09-19 Thread William Brown
I think I finally have some good parameters to the transcode utility to 
create some good DVD mpeg2 format videos.


However, once I use transcode to transcode and split into video/audio 
files, I need to re-merge them back into one file.


What I'm looking for is tcmplex.  What I've found on the net with google 
tells me that this is the tool I need to merge my audio and video back 
into one file before burning it to disc with growisofs.


I see that marillat debian sources are back up, at ftp.nerim.net, but I 
took alook there and don't see any tcmplex package or source, nor do I 
see it as a part of the transcode source archive.


avimerge is there, but I need something to merge my mpeg output, not my 
avi files.


As well, I tried searching debian archives sarge, sid, marillat, and 
found nothing for tcmplex, or even mplex.


Can anyone tell me where I can find tcmplex, or mplex for sid, in 
sourced or precompiled binary?


Thanks.


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Re: unreal tournament 2004

2005-09-19 Thread Corey Hickey
Dean Hamstead wrote:
> i did a clean install then untarbz2'd the 3355 patch and then cp -R * 
> all its files into the /usr/local/games/ut2004 directory
> 
> then in Xorg i jumped into a shell, went to 
> /usr/local/games/ut2004/System and ran ut2004-bin-linux-amd64
> 
> splash starts, screen goes black. computer reboots. most odd

That shouldn't happen. Even if your ut2004 installation is screwed up I
wouldn't expect it to be able to crash your machine. What video card do
you have, and what driver version?

If we can't figure out what's happening here, try asking on the ut2004
mailing list:
http://icculus.org/lgfaq/#ut2k4ml

Or, if you have an nvidia card, try the nvidia linux forum:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14

For what it's worth, I have ut2004 working fine, so there's not some
inherent problem with debian-amd64 and ut2004.

* debian-amd64 sid
* linux 2.6.13
* nvidia geforce 5900xt
* nvidia drivers version 1.0-7676

-Corey


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wake-on-lan with Abit KV-80

2005-09-19 Thread Jamie Rollins
Hello, all.  I've been having trouble getting wake-on-lan (WOL) working with
some Abit KV-80 cluster nodes and was wondering if someone on one of these lists
had any thoughts.  (Maybe useful: sarge 2.6.8-11-amd64-k8).

So far, I have only been able to get WOL working (with standard 'magic packets')
from a fully powered off state, ie. the power to the board had been killed by
turning off the power supply.  I have NOT been able to get it to work after
powering down the board from a "poweroff" or "shutdown" signal.  I've also tried
various combinations of the -H/-P/-h options with "shutdown".

Does anyone have any idea why this might be the case?  I have tried every
possible permutation of BIOS and hardware settings to no avail.  If WOL works
from a completely powered off state, I can only assume that there is something
peculiar about how "poweroff" is "powering down" the machine, ie. it's not fully
powering down the machine in a way that mimics what happens when the power
supply is cut.  I guess this isn't a complete surprise.  Can someone fill me in
on what exactly is the state that the machine ends up in after a "poweroff", and
why WOL might not work in that state?  Is there a way to coax the machine into a
powered off state where it WOULD be receptive to a WOL?  Does this have
something to do with ACPI?  I'm not running acpid.  The last thing the console
spits out after a poweroff command is "acpi_power_off called", but I'm not
certain how to interpret that.

As you can imagine, Abit has not been of any help yet.  Any help at all would be
much appreciated.

jamie.


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Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread lordSauron
Yes, I did say natively.  AMD really works overtime, and if I get a
Athon64, and Athlon XP of the same clock speed will run the programs
at the same speed if you could somehow remove the extra goodies from
the Athlon64, and ensure that the entire system was equal.  However,
you are generally going to get better performance from an Athlon64,
and I still reccommend a dual core Opteron, b/c in many ways it's like
getting two Opterons in one package.  God knows the bus speeds can
handle it.  And since the amd64 chips can natively run in 32 bit mode,
you don't really have to worry about whether your programs are 64 bit
or not, though you should by all means keep on the lookout for amd64
programs specifically for you, for that alleged 10% increase.  I can't
confirm that, nor can I deny, though I'm more inclined to believe it.



Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread Jacob Bresciani
I would guess compared to Intel's first line of "x86" 64bit CPU's,  
the Intanium's which had a 32 bit "emulation" mode which took serious  
performance hits.


I haven't seen much on what their (Intel) new line of x86_em64 chips  
are like now though.


Jacob Bresciani


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On Sep 19, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Paul Brook wrote:


They can natively run 32 bit stuff with NO speed penalities



No speed penalty compared to what?

Amd64 chips do run 32-bit code "natively", and are competitive as  
32-bit CPUs
in their own right. However you usually get a speed increase from  
recompiling

as a 64-bit app. In 64-bit mode you have more registers and 64-bit
arithmetic, which allow the compiler can generate more efficient code.

From what I've seen 64-bit apps tend to be ~10% faster then the 32-bit
equivalent.

Paul






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Re: hdparm not o.k. ? (update)

2005-09-19 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 19. September 2005 19:51 schrieb Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh):
> Le 19.09.2005 19:04:20, Hans a écrit :
> > Hi folks,
> > I tried to improve my settings of the harddrive. These are the
> > original
> > settings:
> >
> > /dev/hda:
> >  multcount= 16 (on)
> >  IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
> >  unmaskirq=  0 (off)
> >  using_dma=  0 (off)
> >  keepsettings =  0 (off)
> >  readonly =  0 (off)
> >  readahead= 256 (on)
> >  geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 195371568, start = 0
> >
> > You see, dma is off. When trying to set this to on ( hdparm -d 1
> > /dev/hda), I
> > get this error:
> >
> > /dev/hda:
> >  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
> >  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
> >  using_dma=  0 (off)
>
> [ ... ]
>
> It seems that you have booted your system with ide-generic loaded
> instead of the module related to your chipset.
>
> In your /etc/modules, you should have something like that:
>
> via82cxxx
> ide-generic

I suppose, the reason is the kernel itself. I made it with built in 
ide-generic, as I do not have an initrd.img.

So I have to build a new kernel, with moduralized ide-generic. 

Thanks for the clue, when I have news, I will give you the info.

Now for the build.


Best regards

Hans

> I use the via module to use the dma. ide-generic is needed for the
> cdrom to work. The modules should placed in this order.
>
> If you use an initrd, you should have the requested module loaded in it.
>
> > Could it be a bug ??? Any clue ??
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Hans
> >
> >
> > Look at this, please.
>
> Jean-Luc


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Re: soundcard not detected by alsaconf

2005-09-19 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 12:27:08AM -0400, Tony Andrews wrote:
> I've been trying all day to get the sound up and running, but no dice. I 
> have the chaintech vnf4 ultra which has onboard nvidia sound. I have the 
> snd-intel8x0 driver module and modprobe gives no error. I tried commenting 
> out the oss modules but I'm not to sure that I did a thorough job(im a newb) 
> Here's my lsmod output:

Which chipset do you have?  You may need a newer kernel (like 2.6.12) to
support a fairly recent chipset's sound chip even though it is
compatible with snd-intel8x0.  If the driver doesn't know it should be
able to work your chip's pci id, then it won't try.

Len Sorensen


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Re: libc6 problem

2005-09-19 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 03:24:30PM -0700, lordSauron wrote:
> Just a question, but does ia## indicate an Intel Itanium processor?

ia32 = intel architecture 32bit aka i386/x86
ia64 = intel architecture 64bit aka itanium (not x86_64 which is amd64
architerture)

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Re: Realtek ALC850 8-channel audio CODEC

2005-09-19 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 09:45:24PM +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote:
> ok huray video works
> on to sound
> 
> this board has an Realtek ALC850 8-channel audio CODEC which in lspci is
> CK804 AC97 audio codec. the realtek site claims this is supported with
> snd-intel8x0
> 
> alsa-conf shows up nothing, modprobing it works but the card isnt detected
> 
> any ideas? this kernel is a tad old - although its straight out of
> 'unstable'

If adding snd-intel8x0 to /etc/modules doesn't find the chip on boot,
then you may need a newer kernel/newer alsa driver to support the new
chip.  Many chips are supported in 2.6.11+ that were not in 2.6.8 for
example.

Are you running the current kernel for unstable? (That would be 2.6.12).

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Re: hdparm not o.k. ?

2005-09-19 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 19. September 2005 19:51 schrieb Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh):
> Le 19.09.2005 19:04:20, Hans a écrit :
> > Hi folks,
> > I tried to improve my settings of the harddrive. These are the
> > original
> > settings:
> >
> > /dev/hda:
> >  multcount= 16 (on)
> >  IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
> >  unmaskirq=  0 (off)
> >  using_dma=  0 (off)
> >  keepsettings =  0 (off)
> >  readonly =  0 (off)
> >  readahead= 256 (on)
> >  geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 195371568, start = 0
> >
> > You see, dma is off. When trying to set this to on ( hdparm -d 1
> > /dev/hda), I
> > get this error:
> >
> > /dev/hda:
> >  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
> >  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
> >  using_dma=  0 (off)
>
> [ ... ]
>
> It seems that you have booted your system with ide-generic loaded
> instead of the module related to your chipset.
Yes, you are right ! In my /etc/modules is the entry "ide-generic" and not the 
via82cxxx. This one is beeing loaded by the kernel later. I will fix it.

Maybe you are right, the ide-generic first loaded could disturb the 
via82cxxx-module.

Good idea !

I will test it. Here is my /etc/modules 

ide-cd
ide-disk
ide-generic
r8169
psmouse
freq_table
powernow-k8
cpufreq_userspace
ide-scsi
nvidia
v4l2-common
usbnet
irport
usb-storage
firmware_class
cpufreq_ondemand
cpufreq_conservative

Maybe this helps.

Hans


>
> In your /etc/modules, you should have something like that:
>
> via82cxxx
> ide-generic
>
> I use the via module to use the dma. ide-generic is needed for the
> cdrom to work. The modules should placed in this order.
>
> If you use an initrd, you should have the requested module loaded in it.
>
> > Could it be a bug ??? Any clue ??
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Hans
> >
> >
> > Look at this, please.
>
> Jean-Luc


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Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread Paul Brook
> They can natively run 32 bit stuff with NO speed penalities

No speed penalty compared to what?

Amd64 chips do run 32-bit code "natively", and are competitive as 32-bit CPUs 
in their own right. However you usually get a speed increase from recompiling 
as a 64-bit app. In 64-bit mode you have more registers and 64-bit 
arithmetic, which allow the compiler can generate more efficient code.

From what I've seen 64-bit apps tend to be ~10% faster then the 32-bit 
equivalent.

Paul



Re: hdparm not o.k. ?

2005-09-19 Thread Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)

Le 19.09.2005 19:04:20, Hans a écrit :

Hi folks,
I tried to improve my settings of the harddrive. These are the
original
settings:

/dev/hda:
 multcount= 16 (on)
 IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
 unmaskirq=  0 (off)
 using_dma=  0 (off)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead= 256 (on)
 geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 195371568, start = 0

You see, dma is off. When trying to set this to on ( hdparm -d 1
/dev/hda), I
get this error:

/dev/hda:
 setting using_dma to 1 (on)
 HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
 using_dma=  0 (off)


[ ... ]

It seems that you have booted your system with ide-generic loaded  
instead of the module related to your chipset.


In your /etc/modules, you should have something like that:

via82cxxx
ide-generic

I use the via module to use the dma. ide-generic is needed for the  
cdrom to work. The modules should placed in this order.


If you use an initrd, you should have the requested module loaded in it.


Could it be a bug ??? Any clue ??

Best regards

Hans


Look at this, please.


Jean-Luc


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Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 06:49:55PM -0700, lordSauron wrote:
> oh... as for performance increases...
> 
> pentium 4s use a 21 stage pipeline or something like that... so they
> take approximately 21 clock cycles to get anything done.  AMD uses
> about 7 stages (or something in that neighbourhood) so if you divide
> 2.8 by 21 and 2.0 (my Athlon64) by 7, you get a really interesting
> breakdown.  You'll certainly find a HUGE increase in performance,
> ESPECIALLY if you go dual-core.  As for dual-core and 64bit kernels
> and the like... there was a few.  you'd be looking at the
> amd64-generic-SMP kernels (I think)  the amd64 is for 64bit (x86_64)
> and the generic is b/c I don't know if opterons are considered a k8
> thing (I'd have to go check) and the SMP is to give you dual-core
> action, so you can use the withering power now avaliable to you.  It's
> soo cool... someday I'll get one... until then I just
> annoy everyone with wordy descriptions of 'em.
> 
> and for those of you who're mentally screaming at my crude way of
> benchmarking the two cpus, it's only for a ballpark comparison.  by no
> means is that ENTIRELY accurate, and should NOT be treated as such.

It's more like 31 on the current P4s and about 13 or 14 on the opteron.
Most sane designs for x86 seem to use about 12 to 14 stage pipeline
(athlon, opteron, pentium-m, etc).  Good balance for clock speed vs cost
of a branch miss.  I believe the current high end powerpcs also run
about that length of pipeline.

The real problem with too long a pipeline is the cost in branch
prediction misses and if there isn't enough independant instructions to
keep the pipeline busy working.

Len Sorensen


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Re: Pingus

2005-09-19 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 10:47:54PM -0500, Jaime Ochoa Malagón wrote:
> I have this error...
> 
> Preparing to replace pingus 0.6.0-8 (using .../pingus_0.6.0-8.1_amd64.deb) 
> ...
> Unpacking replacement pingus ...
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/pingus_0.6.0-8.1_amd64.deb(--unpack):
> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/locale/locale.alias', which is also in 
> package locales
> 
> Seems to be only amd64 and seems not good...

See bugs.debian.org/327718


Kurt


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Re: amd64 bootsplash howto

2005-09-19 Thread Cédric Boutillier
That is surely cleaner, but with this package, it seems you don't have
the possibility to put a picture in the background of your consoles
tty1-6, contrary to what you can do with bootsplash :(

On 9/19/05, Rafael Rodríguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> apt-get install -t experimental splashy
> 
> El Jueves, 15 de Septiembre de 2005 15:00, Andrei Mikhailovsky escribió:
> > Hello debian users,
> >
> > I am wondering if anyone managed to get graphical bootsplash to work
> > with amd64.
> >
> > I've followed the howto, but the compilation of bootsplash package gives
> > me the following error:
> >
> >
> > gcc -Os -Wall -I/usr/include/freetype2   -c -o mng.o mng.c
> > mng.c: In function 'copyline':
> > mng.c:231: error: invalid lvalue in increment
> > mng.c:282: error: invalid lvalue in increment
> > make[1]: *** [mng.o] Error 1
> > make[1]: Leaving directory
> > `/usr/local/src/bootsplash/bootsplash-3.1/Utilities'
> > make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2
> > debuild: fatal error at line 765:
> >
> >
> > The rest of the packages seems to compile and install fine, including
> > kernel patches and sysv scripts.
> >
> > I've also read that there is splashy package for debian that takes care
> > of the graphical boot process. There is an experimental version for
> > debian i386 and some other platforms. However, i couldn't find splashy
> > for amd64. Has anyone played with it on amd64.
> >
> > Many thanks for all the help
> >
> > Andrei
> 
>



Re: hdparm not o.k. ?

2005-09-19 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 19. September 2005 19:38 schrieb Jacob Bresciani:
> The only other thing that jumps to mind is permissions, I assume
> you're running as root or through sudo?

Yes, I am running as root. Directly as root, not sudo.

Hans

>
> Jacob Bresciani
>
>
> "Passwords are like bubble gum, strongest when fresh, should never be
> used by groups and create a sticky mess when left laying around"
>
> -anon
>
> On Sep 19, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Hans wrote:
> > Am Montag, 19. September 2005 19:18 schrieben Sie:
> >> do you have the proper chipset driver for your HD controller or
> >> motherboard loaded? if not then DMA won't work because it won't know
> >> where/how to turn it on.
> >
> > Yes, I have. Chipset is via82. And the kernel module is loaded !
> >
> > Hans
> >
> >> Knoppix loads a kernel which probably has your MB /HD  controller
> >> loaded so at least you know it will work.
> >>
> >> Jacob Bresciani
> >>
> >> "Passwords are like bubble gum, strongest when fresh, should never be
> >> used by groups and create a sticky mess when left laying around"
> >>
> >> -anon
> >>
> >> On Sep 19, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Hans wrote:
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>> I tried to improve my settings of the harddrive. These are the
> >>> original
> >>> settings:
> >>>
> >>> /dev/hda:
> >>>  multcount= 16 (on)
> >>>  IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
> >>>  unmaskirq=  0 (off)
> >>>  using_dma=  0 (off)
> >>>  keepsettings =  0 (off)
> >>>  readonly =  0 (off)
> >>>  readahead= 256 (on)
> >>>  geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 195371568, start = 0
> >>>
> >>> You see, dma is off. When trying to set this to on ( hdparm -d 1 /
> >>> dev/hda), I
> >>> get this error:
> >>>
> >>> /dev/hda:
> >>>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
> >>>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
> >>>  using_dma=  0 (off)
> >>>
> >>> could there be a bug in hdparm ? When running knoppix in 32-Bit-
> >>> mode it works
> >>> fine.
> >>>
> >>> These are the infos from /dev/hda:
> >>>
> >>> hdparm -i /dev/hda
> >>>
> >>> /dev/hda:
> >>>
> >>>  Model=ST9100823A, FwRev=3.01, SerialNo=3LG02H6A
> >>>  Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>.
> >>> 5% }
> >>>  RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
> >>>  BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=8192kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
> >>>  CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=195371568
> >>>  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
> >>>  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
> >>>  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
> >>>  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
> >>>  AdvancedPM=yes: unknown setting WriteCache=enabled
> >>>  Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 2:
> >>>
> >>>  * signifies the current active mode
> >>>
> >>> Could it be a bug ??? Any clue ??
> >>>
> >>> Best regards
> >>>
> >>> Hans
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Look at this, please.
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: hdparm not o.k. ?

2005-09-19 Thread Jacob Bresciani
The only other thing that jumps to mind is permissions, I assume  
you're running as root or through sudo?


Jacob Bresciani


"Passwords are like bubble gum, strongest when fresh, should never be  
used by groups and create a sticky mess when left laying around"


-anon


On Sep 19, 2005, at 10:19 AM, Hans wrote:


Am Montag, 19. September 2005 19:18 schrieben Sie:


do you have the proper chipset driver for your HD controller or
motherboard loaded? if not then DMA won't work because it won't know
where/how to turn it on.


Yes, I have. Chipset is via82. And the kernel module is loaded !

Hans



Knoppix loads a kernel which probably has your MB /HD  controller
loaded so at least you know it will work.

Jacob Bresciani

"Passwords are like bubble gum, strongest when fresh, should never be
used by groups and create a sticky mess when left laying around"

-anon

On Sep 19, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Hans wrote:


Hi folks,
I tried to improve my settings of the harddrive. These are the
original
settings:

/dev/hda:
 multcount= 16 (on)
 IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
 unmaskirq=  0 (off)
 using_dma=  0 (off)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead= 256 (on)
 geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 195371568, start = 0

You see, dma is off. When trying to set this to on ( hdparm -d 1 /
dev/hda), I
get this error:

/dev/hda:
 setting using_dma to 1 (on)
 HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
 using_dma=  0 (off)

could there be a bug in hdparm ? When running knoppix in 32-Bit-
mode it works
fine.

These are the infos from /dev/hda:

hdparm -i /dev/hda

/dev/hda:

 Model=ST9100823A, FwRev=3.01, SerialNo=3LG02H6A
 Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>. 
5% }

 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
 BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=8192kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=195371568
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
 DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
 AdvancedPM=yes: unknown setting WriteCache=enabled
 Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 2:

 * signifies the current active mode

Could it be a bug ??? Any clue ??

Best regards

Hans


Look at this, please.


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Re: hdparm not o.k. ?

2005-09-19 Thread Jacob Bresciani
do you have the proper chipset driver for your HD controller or  
motherboard loaded? if not then DMA won't work because it won't know  
where/how to turn it on.


Knoppix loads a kernel which probably has your MB /HD  controller  
loaded so at least you know it will work.


Jacob Bresciani

"Passwords are like bubble gum, strongest when fresh, should never be  
used by groups and create a sticky mess when left laying around"


-anon


On Sep 19, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Hans wrote:


Hi folks,
I tried to improve my settings of the harddrive. These are the  
original

settings:

/dev/hda:
 multcount= 16 (on)
 IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
 unmaskirq=  0 (off)
 using_dma=  0 (off)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead= 256 (on)
 geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 195371568, start = 0

You see, dma is off. When trying to set this to on ( hdparm -d 1 / 
dev/hda), I

get this error:

/dev/hda:
 setting using_dma to 1 (on)
 HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
 using_dma=  0 (off)

could there be a bug in hdparm ? When running knoppix in 32-Bit- 
mode it works

fine.

These are the infos from /dev/hda:

hdparm -i /dev/hda

/dev/hda:

 Model=ST9100823A, FwRev=3.01, SerialNo=3LG02H6A
 Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>.5% }
 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
 BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=8192kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=195371568
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
 DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
 AdvancedPM=yes: unknown setting WriteCache=enabled
 Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 2:

 * signifies the current active mode

Could it be a bug ??? Any clue ??

Best regards

Hans


Look at this, please.


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Re: unreal tournament 2004

2005-09-19 Thread Alexander Nagel
Hi,
i cannot help you with your current problem.
But if you can play check following bug:
https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2054
greets
Alex


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Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread lordSauron
well first of all, the raw power increase is going to be worthwhile. 
I'd suggest a nice 2xCPU server from that pcsforeveryone.com site or
whatever it was called (they had some good deals) and customise for
one CPU that's dual core - you can add another CPU later.  The dual
cores are sorta like getting two CPUs in many ways.

Also, ALL AMD64 chips are FULLY backwards compat with ALL 32 bit
operations.  They can natively run 32 bit stuff with NO speed
penalities - though it is nice to get the extra 32 bits when you find
a 64bit program.

I gotta run now, seeya later.



hdparm not o.k. ?

2005-09-19 Thread Hans
Hi folks, 
I tried to improve my settings of the harddrive. These are the original 
settings:

/dev/hda:
 multcount= 16 (on)
 IO_support   =  1 (32-bit)
 unmaskirq=  0 (off)
 using_dma=  0 (off)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead= 256 (on)
 geometry = 16383/255/63, sectors = 195371568, start = 0

You see, dma is off. When trying to set this to on ( hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda), I 
get this error:

/dev/hda:
 setting using_dma to 1 (on)
 HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
 using_dma=  0 (off)

could there be a bug in hdparm ? When running knoppix in 32-Bit-mode it works 
fine.

These are the infos from /dev/hda:

hdparm -i /dev/hda

/dev/hda:

 Model=ST9100823A, FwRev=3.01, SerialNo=3LG02H6A
 Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec Fixed DTR>10Mbs RotSpdTol>.5% }
 RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=4
 BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=8192kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=16
 CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=195371568
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:240,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
 DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 *udma5
 AdvancedPM=yes: unknown setting WriteCache=enabled
 Drive conforms to: ATA/ATAPI-6 T13 1410D revision 2:

 * signifies the current active mode

Could it be a bug ??? Any clue ??

Best regards

Hans


Look at this, please.


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Re: dvd+rw-tools and dvdrecord problem / solution

2005-09-19 Thread Will Dyson
On 9/17/05, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Le 17.09.2005 04:04:00, Will Dyson a écrit:

> Q. What are the dvd+rw-tools for?
> A. As implied/already mentionned - to master the DVD media, both +RW/R
> and -R[W]. .
> 
> And in the package description:
> Description: DVD+-RW/R tools
>   This package includes a format utility for DVD+-RW media, a frontend
>   to mkisofs for burning DVD+-RW/R and some associated tools.
> 
> I'm a bit puzzled...

After looking at the dvd+rw-format source code
(http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/tools/dvd+rw-format.cpp),
it seems that I was wrong about dvd+rw-format not being useful at all
for the -RW disc variety. It can perform blanking of DVD-RW (and
DVD-RAM) media.

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Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread Paul Brook
> Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may
> want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and also
> doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-)
>
> Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252
> might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do his
> job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-).

IIRC the 252 has the same thermal rating (89W) as the 246, so the cooling 
system should be the same. Even the dual-core chips are only 95W. Most 
Opteron cooling systems should be able to cope with any of these. The Zalman 
coolers are very quiet and more than capable of coping with these CPUs.

If you're bothered about heat/noise you should probably go for the HE cpus. 
These are more expensive, but only generate about half the heat (55W). A 
246HE runs exactly the same speed as a regular 246.

You should also look at the Athlon64 X2 CPUs. For many workloads these are 
just as good as a dual socket board. Obviously with a dual socket board you 
have the option of building a quad-core machine.

> Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The
> SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something
> like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system.

amd64 systems scale pretty well up to [at least] 4 CPUs. In my experience much 
better than Intel systems. I've seen CPU/memory intensive workloads scale 
linearly.  Obviously if your workload is IO bound throwing more CPUs at it 
probably won't help at all.

> What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy
> load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It
> will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus
> between the CPUs.

Hypertransport, not Hyperthreading.

> This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for an
> application.

It's worth noting that even remote memory (ie. attached to the other CPU) is 
still closer (lower latency) than system memory on many Intel systems.

Paul


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Re: dvd+rw-tools and dvdrecord problem / solution

2005-09-19 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 07:52:46PM +, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
> If it doesnt work why can we read the following in the docs:
> DVD+RW/+R/-R[W] for Linux
> 
> and
> 
> Q. What are the dvd+rw-tools for?
> A. As implied/already mentionned - to master the DVD media, both +RW/R
>and -R[W]. .
> 
> And in the package description:
> Description: DVD+-RW/R tools
>  This package includes a format utility for DVD+-RW media, a frontend
>  to mkisofs for burning DVD+-RW/R and some associated tools.

Maybe the package description is wrong and it should say:
This package includes a format utility for DVD+RW media, a frontend to
mkisofs for burning DVD+-RW/R and some associated tools.

Of course the docs for dvd+rw-tools say that ONLY dvd+rw needs
formating, and growisofs actually auto detects if it hasn't been done
and does it (in a few seconds).  I imagine it probably would auto blank
or overwrite a dvd-rw when asked to (with -Z), just as it does with
dvd+rw.  Otherwise perhaps the dvd+rw-format -blank=full would do the
right thing to a dvd-rw.

Len Sorensen


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Re: burn cd/dvd: permission /dev/sg0 denied

2005-09-19 Thread antongiulio05
> > but it tries to open hda, not hdc...
> > I have no ideas...
> > 
> > Can you help me?
> 
> Well you could simply try:
> cdrecord -dev ATAPI:/dev/hdc -toc (list toc of a cd) or -atip (list info
> about a blank CDR type).
> 
> If that works, you probably have what you need.
> 
> Make sure ide-scsi is NOT loaded, and that ide-cd IS loaded.
> 
> If it does DVD's use growisofs -[Z for new, M for append] /dev/hdc
> [mkisofs options like -J -R] [files to burn]

Hi Lennart,

thanks for your reply.

I remember it didn't solve (I have tried it in the past). However I have solved 
upgrading to kernel 2.6.12 + udev + hal. Sincerely, I don't know if it was 
kernel-debian 2.6.11 bug...

Giulio


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Re: burn cd/dvd: permission /dev/sg0 denied

2005-09-19 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 08:39:28AM +0200, antongiulio05 wrote:
> I have setted my system as:
> 
> /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup
> 
> under kernel 2.6.* section, but it doesn't work.
> 
> I have launched:
> 
> # cdrecord dev=ATA: -scanbus
> Cdrecord-Clone 2.01.01a01 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 
> Joerg Schilling
> NOTE: this version of cdrecord is an inofficial (modified) release of cdrecord
>   and thus may have bugs that are not present in the original version.
>   Please send bug reports and support requests to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
>   The original author should not be bothered with problems of this 
> version.
> 
> cdrecord: Warning: Running on Linux-2.6.11-9-amd64-k8
> cdrecord: There are unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer.
> cdrecord: If you have unexpected problems, please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris.
> scsidev: 'ATA:'
> devname: 'ATA'
> scsibus: -1 target: -1 lun: -1
> Warning: Using badly designed ATAPI via /dev/hd* interface.
> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
> retrying in 1 second.
> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
> retrying in 1 second.
> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
> retrying in 1 second.
> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
> retrying in 1 second.
> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
> retrying in 1 second.
> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
> retrying in 1 second.
> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
> retrying in 1 second.
> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
> retrying in 1 second.
> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
> retrying in 1 second.
> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
> retrying in 1 second.
> cdrecord: Device or resource busy. Cannot open '/dev/hda'. Cannot open SCSI 
> driver.
> cdrecord: For possible targets try 'cdrecord -scanbus'.
> cdrecord: For possible transport specifiers try 'cdrecord dev=help'.
> cdrecord:
> cdrecord: For more information, install the cdrtools-doc
> cdrecord: package and read /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.ATAPI.setup .
> 
> but it tries to open hda, not hdc...
> I have no ideas...
> 
> Can you help me?

Well you could simply try:
cdrecord -dev ATAPI:/dev/hdc -toc (list toc of a cd) or -atip (list info
about a blank CDR type).

If that works, you probably have what you need.

Make sure ide-scsi is NOT loaded, and that ide-cd IS loaded.

If it does DVD's use growisofs -[Z for new, M for append] /dev/hdc
[mkisofs options like -J -R] [files to burn]

Lennart Sorensen


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evolution and spell checking is now broken

2005-09-19 Thread Andrei Mikhailovsky
Hi

I am wondering if anyone experienced similar problems with Evolution and
spell checking after a recent upgrade.

I've noticed that aspell package has been updated and since then the
spell checking is gone in Evolution. I've double checked that the
gnome-spell and aspell (including dictionaries) is installed. All the
packages seems to be in place, however spell checking fails to work.

This seems to be the case for Abiword as well, the spelling icon can no
longer be clicked, which seems to indicate a general gnome brokenness of
spell checking :-(

Anyone has any ideas on how to fix it?

Andrei 




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Re: unreal tournament 2004

2005-09-19 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 19. September 2005 14:50 schrieb Dean Hamstead:
> i did a clean install then untarbz2'd the 3355 patch and then cp -R *
> all its files into the /usr/local/games/ut2004 directory
>
> then in Xorg i jumped into a shell, went to
> /usr/local/games/ut2004/System and ran ut2004-bin-linux-amd64
>
> splash starts, screen goes black. computer reboots. most odd
>
> Dean
>
> > Hello !
> > Did you install the latest patch ? It is called
> > "ut2004-lnxpatch3339.tar.bz2".
> >
> > Additionally you have to start the ut2004-amd64. Please check your
> > start-script under /usr/local/bin. Maybe you have to edit. By default the
> > 32-bin-version is beeing started. But you have to start with
> > ut2004-bin-linux-amd64 !
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Hans
>
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That is weired. I just installed it as you did. 
After installation I went to /usr/local/games , and in this directory I did a
chgrp -R games ut2004/
As I am in this group, I have success to all the files. Check your membership:

you should be member of these groups: audio, video, games, users, dip, 
dialout, cdrom, plugdev

Good luck

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Re: unreal tournament 2004

2005-09-19 Thread Dean Hamstead
i did a clean install then untarbz2'd the 3355 patch and then cp -R * 
all its files into the /usr/local/games/ut2004 directory


then in Xorg i jumped into a shell, went to 
/usr/local/games/ut2004/System and ran ut2004-bin-linux-amd64


splash starts, screen goes black. computer reboots. most odd

Dean



Hello !
Did you install the latest patch ? It is called "ut2004-lnxpatch3339.tar.bz2".

Additionally you have to start the ut2004-amd64. Please check your 
start-script under /usr/local/bin. Maybe you have to edit. By default the 
32-bin-version is beeing started. But you have to start with 
ut2004-bin-linux-amd64 ! 


Best regards

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Re: unreal tournament 2004

2005-09-19 Thread Hans
Am Montag, 19. September 2005 14:06 schrieb Dean Hamstead:
> indeed i do have the ia32 installed
>
> ive tried both amd64 and the ia32 binary
>
> im convinced ive borked something somehow
>
> Dean
>
> Jo Shields wrote:
> > Dean Hamstead wrote:
> >> is there any trick to getting ut2004 working?
> >>
> >> gltron and tuxracer both work well, ut just hangs when it tries
> >> to get into opengl
> >>
> >> hints?
> >>
> >> Dean
> >
> > Do you have ia32 compatability 3d drivers (nvidia-glx-ia32)?
> >
> > Have you modified the /usr/local/bin/ut2004 script to use amd64 ut2004
> > instead of the default ia32 version?
> >
> > --Jo
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Hello !
Did you install the latest patch ? It is called "ut2004-lnxpatch3339.tar.bz2".

Additionally you have to start the ut2004-amd64. Please check your 
start-script under /usr/local/bin. Maybe you have to edit. By default the 
32-bin-version is beeing started. But you have to start with 
ut2004-bin-linux-amd64 ! 

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Re: unreal tournament 2004

2005-09-19 Thread Dean Hamstead

indeed i do have the ia32 installed

ive tried both amd64 and the ia32 binary

im convinced ive borked something somehow

Dean

Jo Shields wrote:

Dean Hamstead wrote:


is there any trick to getting ut2004 working?

gltron and tuxracer both work well, ut just hangs when it tries
to get into opengl

hints?

Dean



Do you have ia32 compatability 3d drivers (nvidia-glx-ia32)?

Have you modified the /usr/local/bin/ut2004 script to use amd64 ut2004 
instead of the default ia32 version?


--Jo



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Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread valentin_nils
Hi Jo,

Thanks for the additional info, that was something I didnt know (I should
have guessed that).

Best regards

Nils Valentin
Tokyo / Japan
http://www.be-known-online.com

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Forgot to add one thing.
>>
>>As for the Power Supplies (PS). I tried everything from 400W to 550W and
>>came to the conclusion that mostly 400W is fully acceptable for most
>>machines (1-4 disks). I know that the shop assistants often recommend
>>stronger Power supplies (after all thats their business ;-).
>>
>>Bear in mind that the heat has to go somewhere ;-)
>>
>>Best regards
>>
>>Nils Valentin
>>Tokyo / Japan
>>http://www.be-known-online.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>O.K I guess I have to take the risk that Lord Sauron will flame me for
>>>what I say next ;-)
>>>
>>>I would rather recommend you a 2xCPU MB instead of a single CPU MB
>>>You will easily find many 2xCPU MB out there and you may want to
>>> consider
>>>the following:
>>>
>>>- most have only 32 bit PCI slots, look for 64 bit PCI slots and the max
>>>bus speed (133mhz)
>>>- server boards come (optional) with onboard scsi cards
>>>- you may still find additionally 4xSATA & IDE on the same MB
>>>- (optional) SCSI raid card
>>>- (optional) server admin card
>>>
>>>If you take this all into conclusion you will probably opt for the
>>>S2882UG3NR or a similar board from another maker
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151151 *no scsi
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151152 * with
>>> scsi
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=13-151-152-01.jpg%2C13-151-152-02.jpg%2C13-151-152-03.jpg%2C13-151-152-04.jpg%2C13-151-152-05.jpg&CurImage=13-151-152-02.jpg&Description=TYAN+S2882UG3NR-D+Dual+Socket+940+AMD+8131+Extended+ATX+Server+Motherboard+-+Retail
>>>
>>>Note the scsi raid card socket (option), white and in the middle left)
>>>
>>>Having the 64 bit pci bus also allows you to navigate real HEAVY loads
>>>between scsi discs and the CPU & Memory.
>>>
>>>Regarding CPU I would probably choose the 246 or 248 ($240-310) which
>>> are
>>>slightly cheaper than the 252 and, lets face it, the CPU speed alone
>>> wont
>>>really change so much on the systems performance.
>>>
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103412
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103433
>>>
>>>Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may
>>>want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and
>>> also
>>>doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-)
>>>
>>>Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252
>>>might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do
>>> his
>>>job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-).
>>>
>>>I would invest the saved money (compared to the 252) into Memory or SCSI
>>>and use the SATA for a backup solution. I prefer SCSI, as for me it has
>>>shown to be reliable in the long run and still outperforms most SATA/IDE
>>>setups.
>>>
>>>Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The
>>>SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something
>>>like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system.
>>>
>>>What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy
>>>load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It
>>>will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus
>>>between the CPUs.
>>>This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for
>>> an
>>>application.
>>>
>>>For the case I would choose the CM Stacker. It does Unfortunately not
>>>offer the redundant PS, but you can put 2x PS from the maker of your
>>>choice. It wont be hot swabable, you will have to switch the plugs
>>>yourself.
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1689042
>>>
>>>The design is also quite appealing I believe. If you do opt for the CM
>>>Stacker make sure to get the Optional Cross floor fan.
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16800887011
>>>It will make sure to get the heat out of the case, and that silently.
>>>
>>>If you prefer to show off the case, there is also a sie window available
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999760
>>>
>>>I hope that I could make some valid points to make your decision easier
>>>for your next system.
>>>
>>>The system above is more expensive than "Lord Saurons" setup but it adds
>>> a
>>>lot of options and is really a sound system (not to say a beast ;-)
>>>
>>>I usually buy the parts not all in one go, but as required.
>>>
>>>Newegg as suggested by "Lord Sauron" does give a good service and I can
>>>back him up with that.
>>>
>>>I currently have 2 Opteron systems online which should be accessable for
>>>the public.
>>>
>>>1) 203.143.127.108
>>>2) 203.143.127.98 (testing)
>>>3) 203.143.127.99 (from October)
>>>
>>>Do you have the possibility to take an optero

Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread valentin_nils
Hi Joe,

Thanks for the additional info, that was something I didnt know (I should
have guessed that).

Best regards

Nils Valentin
Tokyo / Japan
http://www.be-known-online.com

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>Forgot to add one thing.
>>
>>As for the Power Supplies (PS). I tried everything from 400W to 550W and
>>came to the conclusion that mostly 400W is fully acceptable for most
>>machines (1-4 disks). I know that the shop assistants often recommend
>>stronger Power supplies (after all thats their business ;-).
>>
>>Bear in mind that the heat has to go somewhere ;-)
>>
>>Best regards
>>
>>Nils Valentin
>>Tokyo / Japan
>>http://www.be-known-online.com
>>
>>
>>
>>>O.K I guess I have to take the risk that Lord Sauron will flame me for
>>>what I say next ;-)
>>>
>>>I would rather recommend you a 2xCPU MB instead of a single CPU MB
>>>You will easily find many 2xCPU MB out there and you may want to
>>> consider
>>>the following:
>>>
>>>- most have only 32 bit PCI slots, look for 64 bit PCI slots and the max
>>>bus speed (133mhz)
>>>- server boards come (optional) with onboard scsi cards
>>>- you may still find additionally 4xSATA & IDE on the same MB
>>>- (optional) SCSI raid card
>>>- (optional) server admin card
>>>
>>>If you take this all into conclusion you will probably opt for the
>>>S2882UG3NR or a similar board from another maker
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151151 *no scsi
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151152 * with
>>> scsi
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=13-151-152-01.jpg%2C13-151-152-02.jpg%2C13-151-152-03.jpg%2C13-151-152-04.jpg%2C13-151-152-05.jpg&CurImage=13-151-152-02.jpg&Description=TYAN+S2882UG3NR-D+Dual+Socket+940+AMD+8131+Extended+ATX+Server+Motherboard+-+Retail
>>>
>>>Note the scsi raid card socket (option), white and in the middle left)
>>>
>>>Having the 64 bit pci bus also allows you to navigate real HEAVY loads
>>>between scsi discs and the CPU & Memory.
>>>
>>>Regarding CPU I would probably choose the 246 or 248 ($240-310) which
>>> are
>>>slightly cheaper than the 252 and, lets face it, the CPU speed alone
>>> wont
>>>really change so much on the systems performance.
>>>
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103412
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103433
>>>
>>>Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may
>>>want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and
>>> also
>>>doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-)
>>>
>>>Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252
>>>might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do
>>> his
>>>job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-).
>>>
>>>I would invest the saved money (compared to the 252) into Memory or SCSI
>>>and use the SATA for a backup solution. I prefer SCSI, as for me it has
>>>shown to be reliable in the long run and still outperforms most SATA/IDE
>>>setups.
>>>
>>>Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The
>>>SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something
>>>like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system.
>>>
>>>What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy
>>>load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It
>>>will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus
>>>between the CPUs.
>>>This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for
>>> an
>>>application.
>>>
>>>For the case I would choose the CM Stacker. It does Unfortunately not
>>>offer the redundant PS, but you can put 2x PS from the maker of your
>>>choice. It wont be hot swabable, you will have to switch the plugs
>>>yourself.
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1689042
>>>
>>>The design is also quite appealing I believe. If you do opt for the CM
>>>Stacker make sure to get the Optional Cross floor fan.
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16800887011
>>>It will make sure to get the heat out of the case, and that silently.
>>>
>>>If you prefer to show off the case, there is also a sie window available
>>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999760
>>>
>>>I hope that I could make some valid points to make your decision easier
>>>for your next system.
>>>
>>>The system above is more expensive than "Lord Saurons" setup but it adds
>>> a
>>>lot of options and is really a sound system (not to say a beast ;-)
>>>
>>>I usually buy the parts not all in one go, but as required.
>>>
>>>Newegg as suggested by "Lord Sauron" does give a good service and I can
>>>back him up with that.
>>>
>>>I currently have 2 Opteron systems online which should be accessable for
>>>the public.
>>>
>>>1) 203.143.127.108
>>>2) 203.143.127.98 (testing)
>>>3) 203.143.127.99 (from October)
>>>
>>>Do you have the possibility to take an opter

Re: unreal tournament 2004

2005-09-19 Thread Jo Shields

Dean Hamstead wrote:


is there any trick to getting ut2004 working?

gltron and tuxracer both work well, ut just hangs when it tries
to get into opengl

hints?

Dean


Do you have ia32 compatability 3d drivers (nvidia-glx-ia32)?

Have you modified the /usr/local/bin/ut2004 script to use amd64 ut2004 
instead of the default ia32 version?


--Jo


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unreal tournament 2004

2005-09-19 Thread Dean Hamstead

is there any trick to getting ut2004 working?

gltron and tuxracer both work well, ut just hangs when it tries
to get into opengl

hints?

Dean
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Re: How to run qt3*

2005-09-19 Thread Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda
I have undertood that you are trying to compile a qt3 program and the 
configure fails, no?

try this:
./configure --with-qtdir=/usr/share/qt3

otherewise if the error come from kde headers, probably you need to install 
some kdelibs-dev, search it:
apt-cache search kde dev

Regards,

Leo


A Dilluns 19 Setembre 2005 12:30, Matthias Reinhardt va escriure:
> Am Sonntag, 18. September 2005 04:39 schrieb Hamish Moffatt:
> > On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 08:35:17PM +0100, Matthias Reinhardt wrote:
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > how can I get qt3* and all the necessary libqt3* workin.
> > > I have several problems using appz with qt3
> > >
> > > solution: 32bit chroot?
> >
> > There's no problem with qt3 on amd64. Do you have a particular package
> > that is causing problems?
> >
> > Hamish
> > --
> > Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> There's always the same failure
> checking for KDE... configure: error:
> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
> So, check this please and use another prefix!
>
>
> ls /usr/lib/qt3/ -al
> insgesamt 76
> drwxr-xr-x3 root root  4096 2005-09-06 15:27 ./
> drwxr-xr-x  184 root root 65536 2005-09-19 12:10 ../
> drwxr-xr-x5 root root  4096 2005-09-19 11:31 plugins/
>
> there are no libs, nor?
>
> Packages with problems:
> libqt3c102-mt
>
>
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Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread Jo Shields
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Forgot to add one thing.
>
>As for the Power Supplies (PS). I tried everything from 400W to 550W and
>came to the conclusion that mostly 400W is fully acceptable for most
>machines (1-4 disks). I know that the shop assistants often recommend
>stronger Power supplies (after all thats their business ;-).
>
>Bear in mind that the heat has to go somewhere ;-)
>
>Best regards
>
>Nils Valentin
>Tokyo / Japan
>http://www.be-known-online.com
>
>  
>
>>O.K I guess I have to take the risk that Lord Sauron will flame me for
>>what I say next ;-)
>>
>>I would rather recommend you a 2xCPU MB instead of a single CPU MB
>>You will easily find many 2xCPU MB out there and you may want to consider
>>the following:
>>
>>- most have only 32 bit PCI slots, look for 64 bit PCI slots and the max
>>bus speed (133mhz)
>>- server boards come (optional) with onboard scsi cards
>>- you may still find additionally 4xSATA & IDE on the same MB
>>- (optional) SCSI raid card
>>- (optional) server admin card
>>
>>If you take this all into conclusion you will probably opt for the
>>S2882UG3NR or a similar board from another maker
>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151151 *no scsi
>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151152 * with scsi
>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=13-151-152-01.jpg%2C13-151-152-02.jpg%2C13-151-152-03.jpg%2C13-151-152-04.jpg%2C13-151-152-05.jpg&CurImage=13-151-152-02.jpg&Description=TYAN+S2882UG3NR-D+Dual+Socket+940+AMD+8131+Extended+ATX+Server+Motherboard+-+Retail
>>
>>Note the scsi raid card socket (option), white and in the middle left)
>>
>>Having the 64 bit pci bus also allows you to navigate real HEAVY loads
>>between scsi discs and the CPU & Memory.
>>
>>Regarding CPU I would probably choose the 246 or 248 ($240-310) which are
>>slightly cheaper than the 252 and, lets face it, the CPU speed alone wont
>>really change so much on the systems performance.
>>
>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103412
>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103433
>>
>>Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may
>>want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and also
>>doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-)
>>
>>Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252
>>might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do his
>>job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-).
>>
>>I would invest the saved money (compared to the 252) into Memory or SCSI
>>and use the SATA for a backup solution. I prefer SCSI, as for me it has
>>shown to be reliable in the long run and still outperforms most SATA/IDE
>>setups.
>>
>>Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The
>>SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something
>>like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system.
>>
>>What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy
>>load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It
>>will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus
>>between the CPUs.
>>This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for an
>>application.
>>
>>For the case I would choose the CM Stacker. It does Unfortunately not
>>offer the redundant PS, but you can put 2x PS from the maker of your
>>choice. It wont be hot swabable, you will have to switch the plugs
>>yourself.
>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1689042
>>
>>The design is also quite appealing I believe. If you do opt for the CM
>>Stacker make sure to get the Optional Cross floor fan.
>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16800887011
>>It will make sure to get the heat out of the case, and that silently.
>>
>>If you prefer to show off the case, there is also a sie window available
>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999760
>>
>>I hope that I could make some valid points to make your decision easier
>>for your next system.
>>
>>The system above is more expensive than "Lord Saurons" setup but it adds a
>>lot of options and is really a sound system (not to say a beast ;-)
>>
>>I usually buy the parts not all in one go, but as required.
>>
>>Newegg as suggested by "Lord Sauron" does give a good service and I can
>>back him up with that.
>>
>>I currently have 2 Opteron systems online which should be accessable for
>>the public.
>>
>>1) 203.143.127.108
>>2) 203.143.127.98 (testing)
>>3) 203.143.127.99 (from October)
>>
>>Do you have the possibility to take an opteron system for a testride ?
>>(You might find that some shops might let you try a system)
>>
>>Best regards
>>
>>Nils Valentin
>>Tokyo / Japan
>>http://www.be-known-online.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  
>
On the topic of power supplies, buy a decent supply from a good brand -
far more important than sheer "wattage". 

Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread valentin_nils
Forgot to add one thing.

As for the Power Supplies (PS). I tried everything from 400W to 550W and
came to the conclusion that mostly 400W is fully acceptable for most
machines (1-4 disks). I know that the shop assistants often recommend
stronger Power supplies (after all thats their business ;-).

Bear in mind that the heat has to go somewhere ;-)

Best regards

Nils Valentin
Tokyo / Japan
http://www.be-known-online.com

> O.K I guess I have to take the risk that Lord Sauron will flame me for
> what I say next ;-)
>
> I would rather recommend you a 2xCPU MB instead of a single CPU MB
> You will easily find many 2xCPU MB out there and you may want to consider
> the following:
>
> - most have only 32 bit PCI slots, look for 64 bit PCI slots and the max
> bus speed (133mhz)
> - server boards come (optional) with onboard scsi cards
> - you may still find additionally 4xSATA & IDE on the same MB
> - (optional) SCSI raid card
> - (optional) server admin card
>
> If you take this all into conclusion you will probably opt for the
> S2882UG3NR or a similar board from another maker
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151151 *no scsi
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151152 * with scsi
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=13-151-152-01.jpg%2C13-151-152-02.jpg%2C13-151-152-03.jpg%2C13-151-152-04.jpg%2C13-151-152-05.jpg&CurImage=13-151-152-02.jpg&Description=TYAN+S2882UG3NR-D+Dual+Socket+940+AMD+8131+Extended+ATX+Server+Motherboard+-+Retail
>
> Note the scsi raid card socket (option), white and in the middle left)
>
> Having the 64 bit pci bus also allows you to navigate real HEAVY loads
> between scsi discs and the CPU & Memory.
>
> Regarding CPU I would probably choose the 246 or 248 ($240-310) which are
> slightly cheaper than the 252 and, lets face it, the CPU speed alone wont
> really change so much on the systems performance.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103412
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103433
>
> Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may
> want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and also
> doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-)
>
> Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252
> might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do his
> job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-).
>
> I would invest the saved money (compared to the 252) into Memory or SCSI
> and use the SATA for a backup solution. I prefer SCSI, as for me it has
> shown to be reliable in the long run and still outperforms most SATA/IDE
> setups.
>
> Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The
> SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something
> like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system.
>
> What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy
> load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It
> will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus
> between the CPUs.
> This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for an
> application.
>
> For the case I would choose the CM Stacker. It does Unfortunately not
> offer the redundant PS, but you can put 2x PS from the maker of your
> choice. It wont be hot swabable, you will have to switch the plugs
> yourself.
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1689042
>
> The design is also quite appealing I believe. If you do opt for the CM
> Stacker make sure to get the Optional Cross floor fan.
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16800887011
> It will make sure to get the heat out of the case, and that silently.
>
> If you prefer to show off the case, there is also a sie window available
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999760
>
> I hope that I could make some valid points to make your decision easier
> for your next system.
>
> The system above is more expensive than "Lord Saurons" setup but it adds a
> lot of options and is really a sound system (not to say a beast ;-)
>
> I usually buy the parts not all in one go, but as required.
>
> Newegg as suggested by "Lord Sauron" does give a good service and I can
> back him up with that.
>
> I currently have 2 Opteron systems online which should be accessable for
> the public.
>
> 1) 203.143.127.108
> 2) 203.143.127.98 (testing)
> 3) 203.143.127.99 (from October)
>
> Do you have the possibility to take an opteron system for a testride ?
> (You might find that some shops might let you try a system)
>
> Best regards
>
> Nils Valentin
> Tokyo / Japan
> http://www.be-known-online.com
>
>
>


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Re: How to run qt3*

2005-09-19 Thread Jo Shields

Matthias Reinhardt wrote:


Am Sonntag, 18. September 2005 04:39 schrieb Hamish Moffatt:
 


On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 08:35:17PM +0100, Matthias Reinhardt wrote:
   


Hi everybody,

how can I get qt3* and all the necessary libqt3* workin.
I have several problems using appz with qt3

solution: 32bit chroot?
 


There's no problem with qt3 on amd64. Do you have a particular package
that is causing problems?

Hamish
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There's always the same failure
checking for KDE... configure: error:
in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
So, check this please and use another prefix!


ls /usr/lib/qt3/ -al
insgesamt 76
drwxr-xr-x3 root root  4096 2005-09-06 15:27 ./
drwxr-xr-x  184 root root 65536 2005-09-19 12:10 ../
drwxr-xr-x5 root root  4096 2005-09-19 11:31 plugins/

there are no libs, nor?

Packages with problems:
libqt3c102-mt


 


So by "run qt3*" you mean "install development headers for QT"

Try libqt3-headers, or the somewhat more useful libqt3-mt-dev


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Re: How to run qt3*

2005-09-19 Thread Matthias Reinhardt
Am Sonntag, 18. September 2005 04:39 schrieb Hamish Moffatt:
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 08:35:17PM +0100, Matthias Reinhardt wrote:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > how can I get qt3* and all the necessary libqt3* workin.
> > I have several problems using appz with qt3
> >
> > solution: 32bit chroot?
>
> There's no problem with qt3 on amd64. Do you have a particular package
> that is causing problems?
>
> Hamish
> --
> Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

There's always the same failure
checking for KDE... configure: error:
in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
So, check this please and use another prefix!


ls /usr/lib/qt3/ -al
insgesamt 76
drwxr-xr-x3 root root  4096 2005-09-06 15:27 ./
drwxr-xr-x  184 root root 65536 2005-09-19 12:10 ../
drwxr-xr-x5 root root  4096 2005-09-19 11:31 plugins/

there are no libs, nor?

Packages with problems:
libqt3c102-mt


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Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread valentin_nils
O.K I guess I have to take the risk that Lord Sauron will flame me for
what I say next ;-)

I would rather recommend you a 2xCPU MB instead of a single CPU MB
You will easily find many 2xCPU MB out there and you may want to consider
the following:

- most have only 32 bit PCI slots, look for 64 bit PCI slots and the max
bus speed (133mhz)
- server boards come (optional) with onboard scsi cards
- you may still find additionally 4xSATA & IDE on the same MB
- (optional) SCSI raid card
- (optional) server admin card

If you take this all into conclusion you will probably opt for the
S2882UG3NR or a similar board from another maker
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151151 *no scsi
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813151152 * with scsi
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Showimage.asp?Mode=&Type=&Image=13-151-152-01.jpg%2C13-151-152-02.jpg%2C13-151-152-03.jpg%2C13-151-152-04.jpg%2C13-151-152-05.jpg&CurImage=13-151-152-02.jpg&Description=TYAN+S2882UG3NR-D+Dual+Socket+940+AMD+8131+Extended+ATX+Server+Motherboard+-+Retail

Note the scsi raid card socket (option), white and in the middle left)

Having the 64 bit pci bus also allows you to navigate real HEAVY loads
between scsi discs and the CPU & Memory.

Regarding CPU I would probably choose the 246 or 248 ($240-310) which are
slightly cheaper than the 252 and, lets face it, the CPU speed alone wont
really change so much on the systems performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103412
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103433

Another concern is the heat those CPU beasts produce (90W each). You may
want to find a cooler solution which doesnt grill you or the CPU and also
doesnt make you death. (I am sitting next to such a beast right now ;-)

Most cooling systems go up to the 246 or 248. Finding one for the 252
might be difficult. I had a hard time finding a cooler which would do his
job for the 248 while still allowing me to hear my own voice ;-).

I would invest the saved money (compared to the 252) into Memory or SCSI
and use the SATA for a backup solution. I prefer SCSI, as for me it has
shown to be reliable in the long run and still outperforms most SATA/IDE
setups.

Note that 2xCPU systems are not twice as fast as single CPU systems. The
SMP setup does have a bit of a overhead on your OS, so expect something
like 0,8x the speed of a single CPU system.

What the 2xCPU system gives you however, is the ability to handle heavy
load. It can handle obviously more requests than a single CPU system. It
will also take advantage of the hyperthreading bus *communication bus
between the CPUs.
This means that CPU1 can *borrow Memory from CPU2 if it is required for an
application.

For the case I would choose the CM Stacker. It does Unfortunately not
offer the redundant PS, but you can put 2x PS from the maker of your
choice. It wont be hot swabable, you will have to switch the plugs
yourself.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1689042

The design is also quite appealing I believe. If you do opt for the CM
Stacker make sure to get the Optional Cross floor fan.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16800887011
It will make sure to get the heat out of the case, and that silently.

If you prefer to show off the case, there is also a sie window available
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999760

I hope that I could make some valid points to make your decision easier
for your next system.

The system above is more expensive than "Lord Saurons" setup but it adds a
lot of options and is really a sound system (not to say a beast ;-)

I usually buy the parts not all in one go, but as required.

Newegg as suggested by "Lord Sauron" does give a good service and I can
back him up with that.

I currently have 2 Opteron systems online which should be accessable for
the public.

1) 203.143.127.108
2) 203.143.127.98 (testing)
3) 203.143.127.99 (from October)

Do you have the possibility to take an opteron system for a testride ?
(You might find that some shops might let you try a system)

Best regards

Nils Valentin
Tokyo / Japan
http://www.be-known-online.com



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Re: http://http.us.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ gone?

2005-09-19 Thread Clive Menzies
On (18/09/05 13:23), Greg Madden wrote:
> On Friday 16 September 2005 01:22 am, Clive Menzies wrote:
> > On (15/09/05 15:56), lordSauron wrote:
> > > Somewhat related, but not really, (I'm shy about starting new
> > > threads), I was wondering what mirrors there are for amd64-k8 or
> > > otherwise amd64 compatible packages.  Right now I'm using the
> > > following mirrors:
> > >
> > > deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ stable main
> > > deb-src http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ stable main
> > >
> > > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
> >
> > deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ sid main contrib
> > non-free
> > deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ sid main
> > contrib non-free
> >
> > #deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ sid main contrib
> > non-free
> > #deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/ sid main
> > contrib non-free
> >
> > omit .de (.nl) The above is for sid/unstable substitute etch/testing
> > or sarge/stable
> >
> > > and if you could tell me where to go to get specifically amd64
> > > packages I'd be much appreciative!
> > >
> > > Also, if you know how I could specify to select from a variety of
> > > packages (like look at both stable and testing, for instance) I'd
> > > love to know that as well.  I very new to Linux, so please just
> > > bear with me.
> >
> > If you're new to Debian, I would stick with one release FTTB; once
> > you're comfortable with it, look at apt-pinning.
> 
> This thread has me confused. AFAIKT, the only place to get debian-amd64 
> packages is from: http://amd64.debian.net/ or a mirror : 
> http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.txt.

Well those above are from my sources.list and I'm running sid amd64 :)

Regards

Clive

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Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

2005-09-19 Thread Helge Hafting

Ron Johnson wrote:


On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 13:18 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
 


On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 06:49:55PM -0700, lordSauron wrote:
   


pentium 4s use a 21 stage pipeline or something like that... so they
take approximately 21 clock cycles to get anything done.  AMD uses
about 7 stages (or something in that neighbourhood) so if you divide
2.8 by 21 and 2.0 (my Athlon64) by 7, you get a really interesting
breakdown.  You'll certainly find a HUGE increase in performance,
 


That's a terrible simplification. Yes, it takes longer to get the first
   



Not only is it a simplification, it's wrong.

 


result (21 cycles versus 7) but the idea of the pipeline is that you can
get a result every clock cycle after that.
   



But when you context-switch or branch, the pipeline gets dirty,
and the new process needs to fill up the pipeline.

Short pipelines like in Athlon & G4 are easier on branching,
but other techniques like speculative fetching and OOE mitigate
that somewhat.

And then, deep pipelines let you ramp up the clock much easier
than do short pipelines.  Don't know why, though.

 


You can ramp up the clock speed on a deep pipeline, because
each stage in the pipeline do very little.  Therefore, it can be done
faster than the more complex stages found in a shorter pipeline
doing the same job.

Unfortunately, ability to ramp up the clock doesn't help when
a faster clock becomes necessary just to keep up.  We all know
how an opteron beats any pentium with the _same_ clock rating
by a wide margin.

A 21-stage pipeline _is_ too deep - on average, x86 instructions
have a branch for every 7th instruction, and each branch
may invalidate that deep pipeline.  A shorter pipeline have less of
these problems.


The latency is higher but the
throughput is also higher (more clock cycles per second).
   


Yes, except when troughput is ruined by latency from all those
branches.  People try fixing this by unrolling loops, but then
they use up the instruction cache instead.  A good pipeline should
be short enough to be (almost) full most of the time.  Otherwise
it is going to loose, no matter what clock speed.

Helge Hafting


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