Re: Advice in switching from Mandriva 64 to Debian 64

2005-10-21 Thread jmt

 The issue is that the 32 bit applications need to be run by the rest of
 the family, and I fear a chroot environment would be too complex for
 them (they just want to click on an icon and it must work).


I run Debian AMD64, with kde, and have an icon which, when clicked, run 
Mozilla in 64, and another one which runs Mozilla in 32 bit mode.

The only thing not solved is file association (e.g. this extension should 
trigger this application), because I do not need this, but it can be done.

jmt



 In the Howto, there appear to be two possibilities, a quick start and
 a chroot environment. Are they really different, I mean with the quick
 start do I just need to install the ia32-libs package to get my above
 32 bit apps running?

 Any advice is welcome!

 JJJ


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RE: Java on AMD64

2005-10-21 Thread Castillo Mendoza, Juan Manuel
Hi,

Is it posible intall Java Media Framework (JMFF) on Debian (AMD64)? 



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Asunto: Java on AMD64


I didn't look too long, but
http://developer.amd.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- here there might be some tools for Java on AMD64 Linux, since I
know someone here was discussing the lack of amd64 Java support of
some kind earlier.

You might have to sign up as a AMD Developer to download - if you
don't want to, you can give me a specific list of packages and I can
send them to you (I signed up since I own 2 AMD PCs and hope to own
more ;)
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2.6.12 interupt handler

2005-10-21 Thread Dr Gavin Seddon
Hi when I try and boot the 2.6.12 kernel I get:
'not syncing Aiee, killing interupt handler kernel panic'

Can anyone help?
Gavin



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Re: Advice in switching from Mandriva 64 to Debian 64

2005-10-21 Thread Giacomo Mulas

On Thu, 20 Oct 2005, Jean-Jacques de Jong wrote:


Hi,

I am planning to switch to Debian from Mandriva. I have an AMD64 and I would 
like to exploit the 64 bits for those programs that really need it (video 
editing/transcoding, photo editing), and still run Firefox with Flash, 
OpenOffice, and Wine (CodeWeavers and Cedega).


The issue is that the 32 bit applications need to be run by the rest of the 
family, and I fear a chroot environment would be too complex for them (they 
just want to click on an icon and it must work).


They don't need to be aware of the chroot for it to work, if it's configured
properly. I have a similar setup and my users usually have no indication
but just run what they want. This is how I did it:

1) install the 64 bit system first, with everything you want in there.

2) create a chroot, following the howto in the debian documentation, 
including bind mounts and the sort, so that home directories, X etc. are

indeed available in the chroot.

3) compare the passwd, shadow, group and gshadow files in the 64 and 
32 bit sides, make sure to make them as nearly equal as you can.


4) get the list of installed packages in the 64 bit system, e.g. with
dpkg --get-selections my64bitselects

5) install the same packages in the 32 bit chroot, e.g. with 
dpkg --set-selections my64bitselects (run this in the chroot)


6) fire up dselect (or whatever your favourite package manager is) in
the chroot, to make sure there are no conflicts, resolve them if needed
and install the needed packages. This will waste a lot of disk space, 
but you will gain 64 and 32 bit sides which are almost exact mirrors,
making sure that Joe User can just run anything, be it in 64 or 32 bit 
space, in exactly the same way, and it will just work.


7) most boring step: review all configurations in the 64 and 32 bit
sides, make sure they are as consistent as you can make them

8) in the 64 bit side, configure something as dchroot or schroot so 
that your users can run programs in the 32 bit chroot, and create 
scripts in /usr/local/bin for those programs you want to run in the
chroot (e.g. firefox, mozilla, OOo, acroread...) and arrange the 
default path to look in /usr/local/bin _before_ /usr/bin. In this 
way, you can just type the command and, if you arranged for a 
script to be run in /usr/local/bin, it will take precedence over the
64 bit app, even if it is present, unless you call the latter with 
the full path (which you usually don't do).


9) possibly arrange a few default icons in the desktops of your users,
so that they will run either the scripts you prepared or directly the
32 bit programs in the chroot.

All of this is a bit of a PITA to set up and requires some maintenance
(you have to be careful to keep system configurations consistent between 
64 and 32 bit sides when you upgrade something), but it is very 
effective. I have yet to hear a complaint from my users, and I maintain

a cluster of 9 amd64 computers in my institute all set up this way.
In every single case in which I migrated a user from 32 to 64 bits, 
they were stunned by the performance gain and did not notice problems

(because I had taken care of them in the above way). We have plenty of
legacy (commercial) 32 bit data analysis software.

Be patient, if you embark on this, it will take some work.

Bye
Giacomo

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Re: acidrip: doesnt work with latest versions of mencoder

2005-10-21 Thread Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)

Le 19.10.2005 22:40:27, Corey Hickey a écrit :

Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:

me) dont dont accept the -xvidencopts suboption which is used by
acidrip, typically with something like:
   -xvidencopts :bitrate=759:pass=2 ...


Yes, the ':' before bitrate is a syntax error. I don't know if
earlier
versions of mencoder were tolerant of that.

I don't know perl, but I can see what's going on.

Line 221 of AcidRip/acidrip.pm:

$menc{'video'} = -ovc xvid -xvidencopts
$::settings-{'xvid_options'}:bitrate=$::settings-{'video
_bitrate'};

xvid_options is empty, leaving only the ':'. Mencoder accepts a
trailing
':', so you ought to be able to just reorder that line, putting
xvid_options at the end. Try the attached patch. If that fixes the
xvidencopts part, you might have to follow my example for some of the
other nearby lines in AcidRip/acidrip.pm.


Yes, it works, thanks.
But I think even this way it is not clean: next time, mencoder will  
refuse also the trailing :. So I think the best is to test if  
xvid_options is empty (it is initialised to '' at the beginning) and  
create 2 different lines depending of the result of the test.


Something like:

  if ( $::settings-{'video_codec'} eq 'xvid' ) {
 if ($xvid_options) ne '' {
$menc{'video'} = -ovc xvid -xvidencopts  
$::settings-{'xvid_options'}:bitrate=$::settings-{'video_bitrate'};

} else {
$menc{'video'} = -ovc xvid -xvidencopts  
bitrate=$::settings-{'video_bitrate'};

}


or:

  if ( $::settings-{'video_codec'} eq 'xvid' ) {
$memc{'video'} = -ovc xvid -xvidencopts ;
$menc{'video'} .= $::settings-{'xvid_options'}: if  
$xvid_options ne '';

$menc{'video'} .= bitrate=$::settings-{'video_bitrate'};
$menc{'video'} .= :pass=$::settings-{'video_pass'} if  
$::settings-{'video_passes'}  1;

  }



-Corey



Jean-Luc


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Re: 2.6.12 interupt handler

2005-10-21 Thread Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh)

Le 21.10.2005 10:46:29, Dr Gavin Seddon a écrit :

Hi when I try and boot the 2.6.12 kernel I get:
'not syncing Aiee, killing interupt handler kernel panic'

Can anyone help?


This message is quite generic.
What are the messages *before* it?
i.e. something with pivot root. Maybe you forgot an initrd (or have a  
wrong one) or the root parameter passed to the kernel by the bootloader  
is incorrect.



Gavin


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Re: kdelibs4!

2005-10-21 Thread Michele Concina

lordSauron ha scritto:

I know that this is solvable...

Are you mixing distributions (stable/unstable sid/sarge?) because that
was my problem.  I don't think it's really possible to mix the two
distros without being a total I am Linus Torvalds person...



If you mixed 'em, the only way I know to counter that without
reinstalling absolutely everything is to take aptitude and uninstall
everything except the base system.  However, I think that at that rate
it'd be easier to reinstall debian...


Mmh..don't think is a problem of mixing distribution..if i try to get 
just the source of kdelibs4 it returns the error package not 
found..maybe i should change my repositories..


The only thing with gentoo is that it's really hard to install... 


yeh, but gentoo has also the best documentation between GNU/Linux 
distributions, so it shouldn't be too hard..just the time to learn some 
new operations that the debian installer makes more for dummies : D



though otherwise I'm convinced it's better than debian for desktop
users.


i don't think that it is always better than debian..if u have an old 
machine to compile everything could take days..




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Re: 2.6.12 interupt handler

2005-10-21 Thread antonio giulio
  Hi when I try and boot the 2.6.12 kernel I get:
  'not syncing Aiee, killing interupt handler kernel panic'
 
  Can anyone help?

With a quick search on google for 'not syncing Aiee', I have found
many threads, for example:

http://lists.amesfug.org/pipermail/amesfug/2003-March/013208.html

I hope it works for you.

Giulio



Quake 4

2005-10-21 Thread Zaq Rizer




The linux client came out yesterday. Has anyone gotten in it working in debian-amd64? Mine is segfaulting and I can't figure out why for the life of me.

Thanks!



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Re: kdelibs4!

2005-10-21 Thread A J Stiles
On Thursday 20 October 2005 20:02, lordSauron wrote:
 The only thing with gentoo is that it's really hard to install...
 though otherwise I'm convinced it's better than debian for desktop
 users.

Installing Gentoo from Stage One  {manually bootstrapping a build environment, 
downloading and compiling kernel and minimal userland package sources, 
booting the kernel you just compiled, then downloading and compiling the rest 
of your userland utilities, GUI and so on}  isn't actually *that* hard, IF 
you have printed a copy of the documentation in advance  {and IF your ADSL 
router has a simple ethernet connection}.  It is certainly an educational 
experience for anyone interested in what goes on under the bonnet.

The only real advantage I can see for Gentoo over Debian is that all your 
packages are compiled locally from source by default  {and that is perhaps 
not always an advantage}.  The package repositories are comparable in size 
and scope, and both distributions have bleeding-edge and rock-steady 
variants.  It seems to me that the difference largely boils down to apt-get 
vs emerge.

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OpenGL games in Amd64

2005-10-21 Thread Zachary Rizer
I've recently come to the realization that OpenGL
games such as Quake*, Doom3, and Enemy Territory, can
be run successfully in the main amd64 root.  I was
previously running these games from within the 32bit
chroot.

In order for a successful setup like this, what lib
packages must you have installed?  What does your
/etc/ld.so.conf look like?  What version of the nvidia
packages are you using? Does it matter?  I cannot
download the nvidia-glx-ia32 package, apt tells me
it's not downloadable (but it says it's already the
newest version).

I've recently repaired a lot of my issues, according
to other excellent posts to this list, but I'm still
getting segfaults upon loading the libGL.so.1.  My
7676 nvidia packages were compiled a month or more
ago, when my libs were sort of messed up...maybe I
should recompile them?

Thanks, sorry for all the confusing questions.

Zaq


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Re: OpenGL games in Amd64

2005-10-21 Thread Mike Dobbs
Make sure you install nvidia the debian way, and if using unstable install 
the same versoin 7474 I think is the latest.


Get unreal Torunament 2004.  Download the amd64 patch.  I had to link the 
asound library to the libraries on my system for sound and viola.  64bit 
ut2004!  Note, not really any faster than the 32bit, but it's nice knowing 
64bits are passed!


Ran quake 2 works great using the quake2 pacakges (forgot name) in debian.

- Original Message - 
From: Zachary Rizer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 9:49 AM
Subject: OpenGL games in Amd64



I've recently come to the realization that OpenGL
games such as Quake*, Doom3, and Enemy Territory, can
be run successfully in the main amd64 root.  I was
previously running these games from within the 32bit
chroot.

In order for a successful setup like this, what lib
packages must you have installed?  What does your
/etc/ld.so.conf look like?  What version of the nvidia
packages are you using? Does it matter?  I cannot
download the nvidia-glx-ia32 package, apt tells me
it's not downloadable (but it says it's already the
newest version).

I've recently repaired a lot of my issues, according
to other excellent posts to this list, but I'm still
getting segfaults upon loading the libGL.so.1.  My
7676 nvidia packages were compiled a month or more
ago, when my libs were sort of messed up...maybe I
should recompile them?

Thanks, sorry for all the confusing questions.

Zaq


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Re: libc6 ia32-libs

2005-10-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Zaq Rizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have the same issue; I cannot get games like this to run in native amd64.
 Did you ever find a solution?
 Zaq
 On Sat, 2005-09-03 at 03:14 +0200, Sergi Vidal wrote:

   Hello,

 i've recently upgrade my debian sid and one of the upgraded packets was 
 libc6... after this I get the follow errors with programs that uses ia32-libs.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ quake3
 ./quake3.x86: relocation error: /emul/ia32-linux/lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol 
 _dl_starting_up, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with 
 link time reference

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cedega /home/benit/TransGaming_Drive/Program\ 
 Files/GUILD\ WARS/Gw.exe
 /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/pthreads_stack_test: relocation error: 
 /emul/ia32-linux/lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_starting_up, version 
 GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
 /usr/bin/cedega: line 144: [: -gt: unary operator expected
 /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/wine: relocation error: 
 /emul/ia32-linux/lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_starting_up, version 
 GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference

You libc6 is too new or too old. Incompatible with the version those
two were compiled against.

MfG
Goswin


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Re: libc6 ia32-libs

2005-10-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 07:07:58PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
 Zaq Rizer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I have the same issue; I cannot get games like this to run in native amd64.
  Did you ever find a solution?
  Zaq
  On Sat, 2005-09-03 at 03:14 +0200, Sergi Vidal wrote:
 
Hello,
 
  i've recently upgrade my debian sid and one of the upgraded packets was 
  libc6... after this I get the follow errors with programs that uses 
  ia32-libs.
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ quake3
  ./quake3.x86: relocation error: /emul/ia32-linux/lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol 
  _dl_starting_up, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 
  with link time reference
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cedega /home/benit/TransGaming_Drive/Program\ 
  Files/GUILD\ WARS/Gw.exe
  /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/pthreads_stack_test: relocation 
  error: /emul/ia32-linux/lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_starting_up, version 
  GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
  /usr/bin/cedega: line 144: [: -gt: unary operator expected
  /usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/wine: relocation error: 
  /emul/ia32-linux/lib/tls/libc.so.6: symbol _dl_starting_up, version 
  GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
 
 You libc6 is too new or too old. Incompatible with the version those
 two were compiled against.

Any chance this is one of the things LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=x.y.z thingy deals with?

Len Sorensen


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Re: libc6 ia32-libs

2005-10-21 Thread Zachary Rizer
--- Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--snip--
 
 Any chance this is one of the things
 LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=x.y.z thingy deals with?
 
 Len Sorensen
 

I'm unaware of this LD_ASSUME_KERNEL 'thingy', what is
it?

And, to the other comment about libc being 'too new'
or 'too old' is there a way to figure out which it is,
and how to fix it?

Zaq


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Re: libc6 ia32-libs

2005-10-21 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 10:50:08AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote:
 I'm unaware of this LD_ASSUME_KERNEL 'thingy', what is
 it?
 
 And, to the other comment about libc being 'too new'
 or 'too old' is there a way to figure out which it is,
 and how to fix it?

http://people.redhat.com/drepper/assumekernel.html

It tells libc that this application is 'broken' and did things it wasn't
supposed to and to please emmulate the 'broken' behaviour this
application relies on.

Doing a search for LD_ASSUME_KERNEL and quake, I found a message
suggesting doing:

bash# LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 quake3program

Apparently it doesn't get along with native posix threads.

Of course if it is released as open source by now, then you could
probably just recompile it and solve the problem that way.  Or fix it
and recompile it if it really was a bug in the code.

Len Sorensen


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debian problems with gpg-key?

2005-10-21 Thread sigi
Hi, 

today I tried to update my debian-system, but there was a problem to 
authenticate the gpg-keys:

-
W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: 
The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is 
not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907

W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org stable Release: 
The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is 
not available: 
NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED

W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org testing Release: 
The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public 
key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED

[...]



did they all generate new keys and I didn't receive them? 


thanks for your help,
sigi.


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Re: debian problems with gpg-key?

2005-10-21 Thread lordSauron
most of the packages on my mirros (espri.arizona.edu) aren't
authenticated either.  I'd like to hear any information on this as
well.



Re: libc6 ia32-libs

2005-10-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes:

 On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 10:50:08AM -0700, Zachary Rizer wrote:
 I'm unaware of this LD_ASSUME_KERNEL 'thingy', what is
 it?
 
 And, to the other comment about libc being 'too new'
 or 'too old' is there a way to figure out which it is,
 and how to fix it?

 http://people.redhat.com/drepper/assumekernel.html

 It tells libc that this application is 'broken' and did things it wasn't
 supposed to and to please emmulate the 'broken' behaviour this
 application relies on.

 Doing a search for LD_ASSUME_KERNEL and quake, I found a message
 suggesting doing:

 bash# LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 quake3program

 Apparently it doesn't get along with native posix threads.

Doesn't that not work on amd64 since we only have support for 2.6
kernels and ntpl threads?

 Of course if it is released as open source by now, then you could
 probably just recompile it and solve the problem that way.  Or fix it
 and recompile it if it really was a bug in the code.

 Len Sorensen

MfG
Goswin


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Re: debian problems with gpg-key?

2005-10-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
sigi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi, 

 today I tried to update my debian-system, but there was a problem to 
 authenticate the gpg-keys:

-
 W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: 
 The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is 
 not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907

That isn't from the Debian-amd64 port. You have to ask the owner of
that for the right key.

 W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org stable Release: 
 The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is 
 not available: 
 NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED

 W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org testing Release: 
 The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public 
 key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED

http://amd64.debian.net/archive.key

pub   1024D/B5F5BBED 2005-04-24
  Key fingerprint = C20C A1D9 499D ECBB D8BD  ACF9 E415 B2B4 B5F5 BBED
uid  Debian AMD64 Archive Key debian-amd64@lists.debian.org
sub   2048g/34FC6FE5 2005-04-24

That is the normal Archive key ever since the archive moved to
amd64.debian.net.

MfG
Goswin


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Re: Quake 4

2005-10-21 Thread Dean Hamstead

you realise its a 32 bit binary?


Dean

Zaq Rizer wrote:
The linux client came out yesterday.  Has anyone gotten in it working in 
debian-amd64?  Mine is segfaulting and I can't figure out why for the 
life of me.


Thanks!
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Re: OpenGL games in Amd64

2005-10-21 Thread Dean Hamstead

youll have to build 7676 drivers

the source debs are at
http://people.debian.org/~rdonald

i havent got ut2004 to work in amd64 (or 32 for that
reason... something 6600gt related)

but you just compile quake3 from source. go get it from
svn at icculus.org (something like that). it makes
straight off and then make install.

gltron and others work also.

quake3 loads in like 1 second. but that could
also be my striped 10k sata drives and amd64 4000+
cpu.


Dean

Mike Dobbs wrote:
Make sure you install nvidia the debian way, and if using unstable 
install the same versoin 7474 I think is the latest.


Get unreal Torunament 2004.  Download the amd64 patch.  I had to link 
the asound library to the libraries on my system for sound and viola.  
64bit ut2004!  Note, not really any faster than the 32bit, but it's nice 
knowing 64bits are passed!


Ran quake 2 works great using the quake2 pacakges (forgot name) in debian.

- Original Message - From: Zachary Rizer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 9:49 AM
Subject: OpenGL games in Amd64



I've recently come to the realization that OpenGL
games such as Quake*, Doom3, and Enemy Territory, can
be run successfully in the main amd64 root.  I was
previously running these games from within the 32bit
chroot.

In order for a successful setup like this, what lib
packages must you have installed?  What does your
/etc/ld.so.conf look like?  What version of the nvidia
packages are you using? Does it matter?  I cannot
download the nvidia-glx-ia32 package, apt tells me
it's not downloadable (but it says it's already the
newest version).

I've recently repaired a lot of my issues, according
to other excellent posts to this list, but I'm still
getting segfaults upon loading the libGL.so.1.  My
7676 nvidia packages were compiled a month or more
ago, when my libs were sort of messed up...maybe I
should recompile them?

Thanks, sorry for all the confusing questions.

Zaq


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Re: debian problems with gpg-key?

2005-10-21 Thread sigi
Hi, 

  today I tried to update my debian-system, but there was a problem to 
  authenticate the gpg-keys:
 
 -
  W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: 
  The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is 
  not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907
 
 That isn't from the Debian-amd64 port. You have to ask the owner of
 that for the right key.
 
  W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org stable Release: 
  The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is 
  not available: 
  NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED
 
  W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org testing Release: 
  The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public 
  key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E415B2B4B5F5BBED
 
 http://amd64.debian.net/archive.key
 
 pub   1024D/B5F5BBED 2005-04-24
   Key fingerprint = C20C A1D9 499D ECBB D8BD  ACF9 E415 B2B4 B5F5 BBED
 uid  Debian AMD64 Archive Key debian-amd64@lists.debian.org
 sub   2048g/34FC6FE5 2005-04-24
 
 That is the normal Archive key ever since the archive moved to
 amd64.debian.net.
 

But why do I have these problems since yesterday? And why do I have the 
wrong keys for _all_ my sources on my list since yesterday (not only 
for the debian-servers)? 

How/Where can I correct this? 

sigi.


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Re: Quake 4

2005-10-21 Thread Marcin Dębicki
Dean Hamstead kiedys napisal:

 you realise its a 32 bit binary?
 
 
 Dean
 
 Zaq Rizer wrote:
 The linux client came out yesterday.  Has anyone gotten in it working in
 debian-amd64?  Mine is segfaulting and I can't figure out why for the
 life of me.
 
 Thanks!
 ~Zaq
 
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Doom 3 is also 32bit and works fine is 32bit chroot is configured. On what
step is segfaults?
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Re: debian problems with gpg-key?

2005-10-21 Thread Juergen Albers
 But why do I have these problems since yesterday? And why do I have the 
 wrong keys for _all_ my sources on my list since yesterday (not only 
 for the debian-servers)? 

Don't know it yet...
 
 How/Where can I correct this? 

wget http://amd64.debian.net/archive.key
apt-key add archive.key

this worked.

sigi.


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howto install my nvidia card

2005-10-21 Thread debianista.deb
hello 

 I want to know if someone have one tutorial of installation nvidia card ?? please 
 I read the how-to of debianam64 but I couldn't do that ;(

thanks
cumps
debianista.deb


Re: Quake 4

2005-10-21 Thread Zaq Rizer




Yes, but it runs natively in amd64, just like a lot of other applications.

Besides, it segfaults in the 32bit chroot, as well. This is not architecture-related.

Zaq

On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 08:50 +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote:


you realise its a 32 bit binary?


Dean

Zaq Rizer wrote:
 The linux client came out yesterday.  Has anyone gotten in it working in 
 debian-amd64?  Mine is segfaulting and I can't figure out why for the 
 life of me.
 
 Thanks!
 ~Zaq
 
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Re: Quake 4

2005-10-21 Thread Zaq Rizer




On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 01:05 +0200, Marcin Dbicki wrote:
--snip


Doom 3 is also 32bit and works fine is 32bit chroot is configured. On what
step is segfaults?
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It shows the loading page for about a second, then immediately crashes with a segfault. Information regarding the crash from the console is as follows:

++
found DLL in pak file: /Shared/Games/quake4/q4base/game100.pk4/gamex86.so
copy gamex86.so to /home/epoch/.quake4/q4base/gamex86.so
signal caught: Segmentation fault
si_code 2
Trying to exit gracefully..
--- BSE Shutdown 
-
WARNING: rvServerScanGUI::Clear() - invalid scanGUI

Shutting down sound hardware
--- Alsa Shutdown 
close pcm
dlclose
--
idRenderSystem::Shutdown()
Shutting down SDL subsystem
/usr/local/bin/quake4: line 6: 9543 Segmentation fault ./quake4.x86 $*
++

The 'invalid scanGUI' and 'si_code 2' are both items common to other individuals (debian-amd64 and others). I've filed a bug report to id software, as have other people, but, from what I'm told, there are no commonalities between all of us. At least, not at first glance.

I assume they're working on it...? As I've told someone else on the list, though, I've spoken to a couple other people who do run debian-amd64 (in this native amd64 fashion) that have success.









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Re: howto install my nvidia card

2005-10-21 Thread mikepolniak
On 01:24 Sat 22 Oct , debianista.deb wrote:
 hello
 
 I want to know if someone have one tutorial of installation nvidia card ??
 please
 I read the how-to of debianam64 but I couldn't do that ;(
 
Try this how-to:
http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html


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fast clock wreaks havoc on amd64 dual core - hp1250n

2005-10-21 Thread Nathan O. Siemers


Hello all,

   I've spent the last 5 days trying to fix an issue with a brand new 
hp a1250n dual core athlon64 machine.  ATI motherboard with embedded 
radeon xpress 200 graphics.  I've installed the pure64 sarge 
distribution.  This is my first 64 bit debian attempt, although I am 
running a 2 cpu opteron workstation with suse at work.


   The system in many ways okay, but there is a serious problem with 
interrupts and clock speed which wreaks general havoc on the machine.  
The clock is running about 2x speed - I think perhaps two clock ticks 
(from each core?) are happening for each one that should.  X windows 
keyboard behavior is quite erratic, I often get 2-4 chars repeated for 
each key typed.  I believe this is consistent with lots of interrupt 
activity?


Summary of my experiments so far:

2.6.13.4 kernel

1. turning off smp  in kernel compile configuration does not correct the 
problem.


2. no_timer_check and/or notsc does not reliably correct the problem - I 
have seen some help for periods of time.


3. moving from athlon64 to generic x86_64 during kernel compile does nothing

4.  no_timer_check pci=noacpi pci=routeirq kernel boot option corrects 
the 2x clock speed problem, but breaks at lot of other things - I am 
running this at the moment so I can use the computer (but my firewire 
drive is not recognized, for example).


5.  PM_timer kernel compile option does nothing

6.  Changing timer frequency does nothing.

I wanted to check with older 2.6 kernels but experience a failed boot on 
stock debian 2.6.8 amd64-smp kernel, I don't this is indicative of a 
problem other than misconfiguration of grub or devfs subsystems (there 
is a pivot_root at boot time that fails)...


some interesting log entries:

kern.log:
Oct 18 14:57:48 localhost kernel: Losing some ticks... checking if CPU 
frequency changed.


Oct 18 23:36:50 line kernel: Your time source seems to be instable or 
some driver is hogging interupts

Oct 19 05:40:05 line kernel: rtc: lost some interrupts at 2048Hz.
Oct 19 05:49:33 line kernel: rtc: lost some interrupts at 2048Hz.

This seems like it could be related to kernel bug 3927:

http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3927

which has been marked as resolved but my reading suggest that a 
sufficient number of people found workarounds to let the bug subside 
rather than fixing it...


In any case, my deep appreciation to anyone who has a solution after 
days of kernel recompiles and rebooting with various boot options.  
Happy to send more detailed logs and kernel compile options if there is 
interest.


Nathan




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Re: Quake 4

2005-10-21 Thread Marcin Dębicki
For me looks like known problem with libs. Maybe you haven't properly
created libs cache for 32bit libs. Sometimes after upgrading main system or
chroot you have to run ldconfig to update libs cache and with Doom it
usually was helpful. Q4 uses the same engine so it may help here

BTW ID should compile 64bit Q4 and Doom version
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dvdrip hangs up while (re)scanning transcode's module path...

2005-10-21 Thread Max

Hello!

When I run dvdrip it prints out

[filterlist] (re)scanning transcode's module path /usr/lib/transcode...

and hangs up. I've found that the problem is somehow related to the following 
two transcode's filters

filter_compare.so  filter_control.so

When I move them out of /usr/lib/transcode/ directory, dvdrip starts work fine.

Does anybody else see this problem?
Could any perl guru take a look at dvdrip sources to find out what is wrong 
with dvdrip and/or filter_compare.so  filter_control.so modules?

Thanks,
Max

P.S. dvdrip 1:0.52.6-0.1 and transcode 2:1.0.1-0.1 are here.


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Re: Quake 4

2005-10-21 Thread Zaq Rizer




On Sat, 2005-10-22 at 04:31 +0200, Marcin Dbicki wrote:


For me looks like known problem with libs. Maybe you haven't properly
created libs cache for 32bit libs. Sometimes after upgrading main system or
chroot you have to run ldconfig to update libs cache and with Doom it
usually was helpful. Q4 uses the same engine so it may help here



I've tried that, of course. And no other OpenGL game has an issue now; it's specific to Quake 4.


BTW ID should compile 64bit Q4 and Doom version


Why? The 32bit runs natively in amd64 environment. I'm just glad there's a client at all.




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Re: Quake 4

2005-10-21 Thread Dean Hamstead
 For me looks like known problem with libs. Maybe you haven't properly
 created libs cache for 32bit libs. Sometimes after upgrading main system
 or
 chroot you have to run ldconfig to update libs cache and with Doom it
 usually was helpful. Q4 uses the same engine so it may help here

 I've tried that, of course.  And no other OpenGL game has an issue now;
 it's specific to Quake 4.

its the first release. it will settle. playing on win32 thus far hasnt had
any crashes etc. so id has dont a good job play testing at least the
windows version.

have you got a 32bit install you can test on

if you feel motivated you can use gdb and strace and send good
feedback to the id people. they are good at fixing things.

 BTW ID should compile 64bit Q4 and Doom version

 Why?  The 32bit runs natively in amd64 environment.  I'm just glad
 there's a client at all.

in 3d stuff 64bit is much better. longer numbers means better and faster
maths. also the native 64bit binaries use sse2 not 387 (as mentioned on
the debain ports page) so fp maths is much faster.

there is no real reason why they shouldnt be able to compile a 64bit
binary. and its not like amd64 installs are uncommon any more.

but, its good to see ID taking linux serious once again. just remember
that its ravens first linux port. so there will be a learning curve.

Dean


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