linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed, but am I running a 64-bit system?

2008-05-01 Thread Neil Stewart
I'm running debian etch on an amd64 machine. I've got the right kernel
installed and running:

# uname -r
2.6.18-6-amd64

I'm trying to install the nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 package. I can't find the
package in aptitude. Aptitude only lists other versions:

# aptitude search nvidia-kernel
v   nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776  
   -
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-486   
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for 486
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-686   
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for 686
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for k7
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-486  
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-486
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686  
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-686
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-k7   
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-k7
i   nvidia-kernel-common
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
 ... and legacy versions ...
p   nvidia-kernel-source
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module source

I'm pretty sure I've got my /etc/apt/sources.list contents correct:
deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free

I also know that the .deb exists here
(http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-modules-amd64/).

When I download these and install them dpkg complains that I'm trying to
install an amd64 package on a i386 system.

# dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb 
nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
dpkg: error processing nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
(--install):
 package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
dpkg: error processing
nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb (--install):
 package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
 nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb

Presumably this is why aptitude didn't list the package in the first place.

Discussion here
(http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12966postdays=0postorder=ascstart=15)
seems to indicate that I need to be running an amd64 system.

So, here are my questions:

1. I'm running a 64-bit kernel, but am I running a 64-bit system? If not,
how does one install a 64-bit system using the debian installer? Presumably
then I could install the nvidia drivers?

2. Should I instead leave things as they are to use the official debian
distribution and do something different to get the nvidia driver?

3. Given I can't compile the source code debian version or the version from
the nvidia pages, is there a way forward?

Finally, I've got another amd64 system with the same kernel, but this one
does have the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64 package installed. But I am at a
complete loss as to how the systems are different: /etc/apt/sources.list is
exactly the same and the kernel is exactly the same!



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RE: linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed, but am I running a 64-bit system?

2008-05-01 Thread Michael Fothergill



 Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 16:46:01 +0100
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org
 Subject: linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed, but am I running a 
 64-bit system?
 
 I'm running debian etch on an amd64 machine. I've got the right kernel
 installed and running:
 
 # uname -r
 2.6.18-6-amd64
 
 I'm trying to install the nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 package. I can't find the
 package in aptitude. Aptitude only lists other versions:
 
You need to upgrade to Lenny.  You will need stuff from the sid repositories as 
well.  Find the Debian Way nvidia installation guide with Google.

 # aptitude search nvidia-kernel
 v   nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776
  -
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-486 
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for 486
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for 686
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7  
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for k7
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-486
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-486
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-686
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-k7 
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-k7
 i   nvidia-kernel-common  
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
  ... and legacy versions ...
 p   nvidia-kernel-source  
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module source
 
 I'm pretty sure I've got my /etc/apt/sources.list contents correct:
 deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
 deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free
 
 I also know that the .deb exists here
 (http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-modules-amd64/).
 
 When I download these and install them dpkg complains that I'm trying to
 install an amd64 package on a i386 system.
 
 # dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb 
 nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
 dpkg: error processing nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
 (--install):
  package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
 dpkg: error processing
 nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb (--install):
  package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
  nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
 
 Presumably this is why aptitude didn't list the package in the first place.
 
 Discussion here
 (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12966postdays=0postorder=ascstart=15)
 seems to indicate that I need to be running an amd64 system.
 
 So, here are my questions:
 
 1. I'm running a 64-bit kernel, but am I running a 64-bit system? If not,
 how does one install a 64-bit system using the debian installer? Presumably
 then I could install the nvidia drivers?

Yes you are using a 64 bit system. You need to follow the recipe in the Debian 
Way nvidia howto plus helpful suggestions from  e.g. Lennart Sorensen.
 
 2. Should I instead leave things as they are to use the official debian
 distribution and do something different to get the nvidia driver?

Get Lenny and modify the kernel.
 
 3. Given I can't compile the source code debian version or the version from
 the nvidia pages, is there a way forward?

deb-src repositories have the the code in there.  You use gcc to make the new 
kernel. Its in the Debian Way nvidia installation guide.
 
 Finally, I've got another amd64 system with the same kernel, but this one
 does have the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64 package installed. But I am at a
 complete loss as to how the systems are different: /etc/apt/sources.list is
 exactly the same and the kernel is exactly the same!

Ignore it and carry on with the above.

Regards

Michael Fothergill
 
 
 
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Re: linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed, but am I running a 64-bit system?

2008-05-01 Thread Damon L. Chesser

Neil Stewart wrote:

I'm running debian etch on an amd64 machine. I've got the right kernel
installed and running:

# uname -r
2.6.18-6-amd64

I'm trying to install the nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 package. I can't find the
package in aptitude. Aptitude only lists other versions:

# aptitude search nvidia-kernel
v   nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776  
   -
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-486   
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for 486
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-686   
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for 686
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for k7
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-486  
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-486
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686  
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-686
p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-k7   
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-k7
i   nvidia-kernel-common
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
 ... and legacy versions ...
p   nvidia-kernel-source
   - NVIDIA binary kernel module source

I'm pretty sure I've got my /etc/apt/sources.list contents correct:
deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free

I also know that the .deb exists here
(http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-modules-amd64/).

When I download these and install them dpkg complains that I'm trying to
install an amd64 package on a i386 system.

# dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb 
nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
dpkg: error processing nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
(--install):
 package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
dpkg: error processing
nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb (--install):
 package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
 nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb

Presumably this is why aptitude didn't list the package in the first place.

Discussion here
(http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12966postdays=0postorder=ascstart=15)
seems to indicate that I need to be running an amd64 system.

So, here are my questions:

1. I'm running a 64-bit kernel, but am I running a 64-bit system? If not,
how does one install a 64-bit system using the debian installer? Presumably
then I could install the nvidia drivers?
  


Go here:  http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ or here: 
http://www.us.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/


find the link that says amd64:  
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/bt-cd/ for torrent


http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/iso-cd/  for http/ftp 
download


^  Those are for the cd/DVD collection if you want it.

Here for the netinstall:

http://www.us.debian.org/CD/netinst/  this is what I use, pick the one 
you need, full install media or netinstall amd64 is what you want/NEED 
if you want a 64bit system.




2. Should I instead leave things as they are to use the official debian
distribution and do something different to get the nvidia driver?
  


change kernels back to K7/686 (K7 if you have an amd proc, 686 if intel) 
and install the nvidia stuff:


see this page for the debian nvidia wiki:  fool proof, just follow the 
directions: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers




3. Given I can't compile the source code debian version or the version from
the nvidia pages, is there a way forward?
  


See answer for #2 above.

Finally, I've got another amd64 system with the same kernel, but this one
does have the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64 package installed. But I am at a
complete loss as to how the systems are different: /etc/apt/sources.list is
exactly the same and the kernel is exactly the same!
  


what does uname -a give out?  I suspect on was 32bit and the other was 
64bit (amd64)



  

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Re: linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed, but am I running a 64-bit system?

2008-05-01 Thread Damon L. Chesser

Michael,

I have to disagree with part of your answer:


When I download these and install them dpkg complains that I'm trying to
install an amd64 package on a i386 system.

# dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb 
nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
dpkg: error processing nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
(--install):
 package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
dpkg: error processing
nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb (--install):
 package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
 nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb

You said:



Yes you are using a 64 bit system. You need to follow the recipe in the Debian 
Way nvidia howto plus helpful suggestions from  e.g. Lennart Sorensen.


yet dpkg says he IS running an i386 package:  /package architecture 
(amd64) does not match system (i386)


/Now you might know something I don't, but that looks pretty black and 
white to me.


HTH



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Re: linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed, but am I running a 64-bit system?

2008-05-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 04:46:01PM +0100, Neil Stewart wrote:
 I'm running debian etch on an amd64 machine. I've got the right kernel
 installed and running:
 
 # uname -r
 2.6.18-6-amd64
 
 I'm trying to install the nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 package. I can't find the
 package in aptitude. Aptitude only lists other versions:
 
 # aptitude search nvidia-kernel
 v   nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776
  -
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-486 
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for 486
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for 686
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7  
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for k7
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-486
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-486
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-686
 p   nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-k7 
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.18-6-k7
 i   nvidia-kernel-common  
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
  ... and legacy versions ...
 p   nvidia-kernel-source  
  - NVIDIA binary kernel module source
 
 I'm pretty sure I've got my /etc/apt/sources.list contents correct:
 deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free
 deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free
 
 I also know that the .deb exists here
 (http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-modules-amd64/).
 
 When I download these and install them dpkg complains that I'm trying to
 install an amd64 package on a i386 system.
 
 # dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb 
 nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
 dpkg: error processing nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
 (--install):
  package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
 dpkg: error processing
 nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb (--install):
  package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
  nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64_1.0.8776+6etch2_amd64.deb
 
 Presumably this is why aptitude didn't list the package in the first place.
 
 Discussion here
 (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12966postdays=0postorder=ascstart=15)
 seems to indicate that I need to be running an amd64 system.
 
 So, here are my questions:
 
 1. I'm running a 64-bit kernel, but am I running a 64-bit system? If not,
 how does one install a 64-bit system using the debian installer? Presumably
 then I could install the nvidia drivers?
 
 2. Should I instead leave things as they are to use the official debian
 distribution and do something different to get the nvidia driver?
 
 3. Given I can't compile the source code debian version or the version from
 the nvidia pages, is there a way forward?
 
 Finally, I've got another amd64 system with the same kernel, but this one
 does have the nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-amd64 package installed. But I am at a
 complete loss as to how the systems are different: /etc/apt/sources.list is
 exactly the same and the kernel is exactly the same!

You are running an amd64 kernel but an i386 system (which works fine,
except for compiling kernel modules).

To run a true 64bit system with both 64bit kernel and userspace would
require reinstalling using the amd64 installer instead.

I am sure it is technically posible to get the nvidia module compiled,
but it could be a real pain.  Personally I only run a 64bit kernel with
32bit user space on a build server at work that doesn't use X.  At home
I run pure 64bit on one machine, and pure 32bit on an older machine that
isn't 64bit capable, and both work great.

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Re: persona non grata...

2008-05-01 Thread Damon L. Chesser

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If you wish I will go.

Please take a vote

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2008-05-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
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Re: linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed, but am I running a 64-bit system?

2008-05-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 06:09:41PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
 Sorry about this. I had forgotten that sometimes people put the 32 bit OS on 
 the 64 bit machines.  To me it seems like putting a diesel engine in a 
 formula one car but there it is.  

Have you seen the Audi R10?  Seems like a great idea.  And a 64bit
kernel with 32bit user space does have some advantages too.

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RE: persona non grata...

2008-05-01 Thread Michael Fothergill



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 On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 06:25:29PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
 
 Dear folks,
 
 I got an email asking me to leave the list.
 
 If you wish I will go.
 
 Please take a vote
 
 MF
 
 
 
 It's unusual indeed for someone to be asked to leave the list. Are you 
 sure nobody has faked an unsubscribe message apparently from your 
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 AndyC

Maybe they did.  I received a similar message like this one when I was on the 
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I took it to mean that I was no longer welcome on the site.  People in the IT 
world often have poor social skills and take offence easily.

I think I may have ruffled some feathers.

Regards

Michael Fothergill
 
 
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Re: persona non grata...

2008-05-01 Thread C M Reinehr
On Thu 01 May 2008 13:25, Michael Fothergill wrote:
 Dear folks,

 I got an email asking me to leave the list.

 If you wish I will go.

 Please take a vote

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IIANM, this is not a request that you unsubscribe from the list. Rather, 
someone has highjacked your email address and sent in a counterfeit request 
for you to be unsubscribed and this is asking for confirmation. I would 
ignore it  keep posting.

cmr

 

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Re: persona non grata...

2008-05-01 Thread Damon L. Chesser

Michael Fothergill wrote:


  

Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:45:30 +
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: persona non grata...

On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 06:25:29PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:


Dear folks,

I got an email asking me to leave the list.

If you wish I will go.

Please take a vote

MF


  
It's unusual indeed for someone to be asked to leave the list. Are you 
sure nobody has faked an unsubscribe message apparently from your 
address?


AndyC



Maybe they did.  I received a similar message like this one when I was on the debian user list...  As a result I unsubscribed. 
I took it to mean that I was no longer welcome on the site.  People in the IT world often have poor social skills and take offence easily.


I think I may have ruffled some feathers.

Regards

Michael Fothergill
  


  

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I just got what may be another prank email.....

2008-05-01 Thread Michael Fothergill

Dear folks,

I think I have received another prank email.

I will ignore further ones.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

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Re: persona non grata...

2008-05-01 Thread Leopold Palomo Avellaneda
A Dijous 01 Maig 2008, Michael Fothergill va escriure:
 

  Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:45:30 +
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org
  Subject: Re: persona non grata...
 
  On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 06:25:29PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
  Dear folks,
 
  I got an email asking me to leave the list.
 
  If you wish I will go.
 
  Please take a vote
 
  MF
 
  It's unusual indeed for someone to be asked to leave the list. Are you
  sure nobody has faked an unsubscribe message apparently from your
  address?
 
  AndyC

 Maybe they did.  I received a similar message like this one when I was on
 the debian user list...  As a result I unsubscribed. I took it to mean that
 I was no longer welcome on the site.  People in the IT world often have
 poor social skills and take offence easily.

 I think I may have ruffled some feathers.

Michael,

don't search for bad people, or similar. Many times this kind of things are 
simple stupid questions than offense. Maybe exists a [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 
similar address and make some stupid mistake, or someone has confused his own 
mail address.

Don't worry.

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Re: persona non grata...

2008-05-01 Thread Christopher Browne
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Michael Fothergill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Dear folks,

  I got an email asking me to leave the list.

  If you wish I will go.

I don't recall in particular anything that you have said (no offense
intended; I try to ignore as much as I can of the flurry of email that
passes through), and I don't recall anything passing through on this
list lately that would be particularly ruffling of feathers, so I
certainly see no reason to leave.

It sounds as though someone may be pranking you; if anyone is
deserving of an invitation to leave, it's them...
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Re: I just got what may be another prank email.....

2008-05-01 Thread Stefano Simonucci
On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 19:00 +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
 Dear folks,
 
 I think I have received another prank email.
 
 I will ignore further ones.
 
 Regards
 
 Michael Fothergill
 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you
  Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:45:31 +
  
  Dear subscriber,
  
  We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your
  emailaddress [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list:
  * debian-amd64
  (http://lists.debian.org/bounces/v2lEDFmsbSgZDqcyhSHGlQ)
  
  (The link above points to a copy of the latest bounce
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  If those bounces pass a certain threshold, our bounce-detection will
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I believe that this e-mail is more important (then the previous one) and
it can't be completely ignored. 
Once I had been removed from the debian-italian mailing list because of
the bounces. I had resolved this problem by changing a parameter of the
fetchmail package (but maybe you use another mail reader). 
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Re: persona non grata...

2008-05-01 Thread Alan Ianson
On Thu May 1 2008 11:52:15 am Michael Fothergill wrote:
 

  Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:45:30 +
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org
  Subject: Re: persona non grata...
 
  On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 06:25:29PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
  Dear folks,
 
  I got an email asking me to leave the list.
 
  If you wish I will go.
 
  Please take a vote
 
  MF
 
  It's unusual indeed for someone to be asked to leave the list. Are you
  sure nobody has faked an unsubscribe message apparently from your
  address?
 
  AndyC

 Maybe they did.  I received a similar message like this one when I was on
 the debian user list...  As a result I unsubscribed. 

I would subscribe again, it's up to you if you want to be on the list ruffled 
feathers or not (I didn't notice any).

 I took it to mean that 
 I was no longer welcome on the site.  People in the IT world often have
 poor social skills and take offence easily.

I don't think so. It's a public list, for anyone who wants to subscribe.

 I think I may have ruffled some feathers.

Probably a mistake of some sort.


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Re: linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed, but am I running a 64-bit system?

2008-05-01 Thread Neil Stewart
Thank you all very much for all of your help. I think you've solved this
one. I do _seem_ to be running a 32-bit system after foolishly using a
32-bit CD. But one small point: How can I get the system to report which
type it is? uname -a does not seem to work.

 what does uname -a give out?  I suspect on was 32bit and the other was
 64bit (amd64)

On the known 64-bit system uname -a gives:

Linux stewart 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 17:50:19 UTC 2008 x86_64
GNU/Linux


On the suspected 32-bit system with a amd64 kernel uname -a gives:

Linux sdell03 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 24 10:20:33 UTC 2008 x86_64
GNU/Linux

which would seem to suggest that I'm running a 64-bit system. But on the
same suspected 32-bit system with a k7 kernel uname -a gives:

Linux sdell03 2.6.18-6-k7 #1 SMP Thu Apr 24 09:09:38 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

Note the i686. So uname -a seems to give a kernel-dependent answer and not
an answer dependent on which installer was used.

uname -i gives unknown.

Which command should I use to report the system type and not the kernel type. I
think file gives useful information. On the known 64-bit system file
/lib/libc-2.3.6.so gives:

/lib/libc-2.3.6.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1
(SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped

but on the suspected 32-bit system file /lib/libc-2.3.6.so gives:

/lib/libc-2.3.6.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1
(SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped

Is there another way?



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Re: persona non grata...

2008-05-01 Thread Steve Dobson
CMR, Micheal

On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 13:45 -0500, C M Reinehr wrote:
 On Thu 01 May 2008 13:25, Michael Fothergill wrote:
  Dear folks,
 
  I got an email asking me to leave the list.
 
  If you wish I will go.
 
  Please take a vote
 
  MF
 
 IIANM, this is not a request that you unsubscribe from the list. Rather, 
 someone has highjacked your email address and sent in a counterfeit request 
 for you to be unsubscribed and this is asking for confirmation. I would 
 ignore it  keep posting.

CMR, I believe that you right.  As it happened I installed mailman on
one of my servers today.  To test your theory I just send an e-mail (the
subject just said Test and so did the body) and I got a request to
unsubscribe message back.

If a spammer is forging Michael's e-mail address and also spamming the
Debian AMD64 unsubscribe e-mail address (because their dumb software
just scrapped it from a publicly archived record) then it is very likely
that Micheal would get the unsubscribe confirmation request.

Micheal, if you still have the original message then I suggest that you
forward it to the -admin address.  It might be that the list maintainers
can track down where the trigger came from and improve their spam
detection and rejection configuration.

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Re: linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed, but am I running a 64-bit system?

2008-05-01 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 09:50:31PM +0100, Neil Stewart wrote:
 Thank you all very much for all of your help. I think you've solved this
 one. I do _seem_ to be running a 32-bit system after foolishly using a
 32-bit CD. But one small point: How can I get the system to report which
 type it is? uname -a does not seem to work.

dpkg --print-architecture

  what does uname -a give out?  I suspect on was 32bit and the other was
  64bit (amd64)
 
 On the known 64-bit system uname -a gives:
 
 Linux stewart 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 17:50:19 UTC 2008 x86_64
 GNU/Linux

uname tells you the kernel architecture.  amd64 kernels can run i386
binaries, which is what you are doing.

 On the suspected 32-bit system with a amd64 kernel uname -a gives:
 
 Linux sdell03 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Apr 24 10:20:33 UTC 2008 x86_64
 GNU/Linux
 
 which would seem to suggest that I'm running a 64-bit system. But on the
 same suspected 32-bit system with a k7 kernel uname -a gives:
 
 Linux sdell03 2.6.18-6-k7 #1 SMP Thu Apr 24 09:09:38 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
 
 Note the i686. So uname -a seems to give a kernel-dependent answer and not
 an answer dependent on which installer was used.
 
 uname -i gives unknown.
 
 Which command should I use to report the system type and not the kernel type. 
 I
 think file gives useful information. On the known 64-bit system file
 /lib/libc-2.3.6.so gives:
 
 /lib/libc-2.3.6.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, AMD x86-64, version 1
 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped
 
 but on the suspected 32-bit system file /lib/libc-2.3.6.so gives:
 
 /lib/libc-2.3.6.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1
 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped
 
 Is there another way?

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Re: linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed, but am I running a 64-bit system?

2008-05-01 Thread Neil Stewart
 On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 09:50:31PM +0100, Neil Stewart wrote:
  Thank you all very much for all of your help. I think you've solved this
  one. I do _seem_ to be running a 32-bit system after foolishly using a
  32-bit CD. But one small point: How can I get the system to report which
  type it is? uname -a does not seem to work.

 dpkg --print-architecture

Yep, that's done it.

On the non-confirmed i386 system:
# dpkg --print-architecture
i386


On the known amd_64 system:
# dpkg --print-architecture
amd64

Thanks again. Now I just need to get my chroot set up for flash and java
plugins on iceweasel. Fortunately, there are some good howtos for this.


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Re: persona non grata...

2008-05-01 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 06:25:29PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
 Dear folks,
 
 I got an email asking me to leave the list.
 
 If you wish I will go.
 
 Please take a vote
 
[snip standard listmanager automated reply]

Hi Michael,

Someone sent an email to the unsubscribe address listed at the bottom of
every email from the list, or they went to the website and entered your
email address.  Either way, the software sends a confirmational email to
you just as it did when you first subscribed.  

I would encourage you to resubscribe to whatever debian lists you wish.

I won't comment on the content of your posts other than to say I saw no
feathers ruffled.  If you had seriously breached protocol (the code of
conduct), I'm sure the list manager would have sent you a private email
and or just unsubscrbed you without you getting any automated email.

It's a public list.  To paraphrase StarTreck: To your list, welcome.

Doug.


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Re: I just got what may be another prank email.....

2008-05-01 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 07:00:54PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
 
 Dear folks,
 
 I think I have received another prank email.
 
 I will ignore further ones.
 
 Regards
 
 Michael Fothergill


I would contact the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED], just to
be sure.  Perhaps check your email inbox against the archives to see if
you missed any email.

Doug.


 
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Re: linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 kernel installed, but am I running a 64-bit system?

2008-05-01 Thread Brian Oborn

Neil Stewart wrote:

Thank you all very much for all of your help. I think you've solved this
one. I do _seem_ to be running a 32-bit system after foolishly using a
32-bit CD. But one small point: How can I get the system to report which
type it is? uname -a does not seem to work.
  

I like to use the file command:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ file /bin/bash
/bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for 
GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 
2.6.0, stripped


(the /bin/bash can be any compiled executable or library)

Hope this helps

Brian


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Re: persona non grata...

2008-05-01 Thread C. Ahlstrom

 Michael Fothergill 18:52 Thu 01 May  


Maybe they did.  I received a similar message like this one when I was
on the debian user list...  As a result I unsubscribed.  I took it to
mean that I was no longer welcome on the site.  People in the IT world
often have poor social skills and take offence easily.

I think I may have ruffled some feathers.


If so, don't sweat it.

I've seen this list get emails with unscribe in the subject.  Just
some dumb joker.

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