Re: How to install wine on debian/amd64/sid?

[Dean Hamstead]

aptitude will do a reasonably good job of downgrading

however, backup ~you and /etc

Dean

Goswin von Brederlow wrote:

Cavan Mejias  writes:


2009/7/20 Dean Hamstead :

If you arent able to fix breaks, you should use 'testing' which is
currently 'squeeze'

testing is generally solid enough but also bleeding edge enough for
desktops.


Ya, I agree. Exactly why I use testing.

It must be possible to downgrade from sid to lenny, w/out a reinstall.

  Cheers.


You can pin lenny (or squeeze) to >1000 and apt/aptitude will
downgrade. But that is not really supported and a few packages will
break and it will be your job to fix them.

MfG
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Re: How to install wine on debian/amd64/sid?

[Goswin von Brederlow]

Cavan Mejias  writes:

> 2009/7/20 Dean Hamstead :
>> If you arent able to fix breaks, you should use 'testing' which is
>> currently 'squeeze'
>>
>> testing is generally solid enough but also bleeding edge enough for
>> desktops.
>>
>
> Ya, I agree. Exactly why I use testing.
>
> It must be possible to downgrade from sid to lenny, w/out a reinstall.
>
>   Cheers.

You can pin lenny (or squeeze) to >1000 and apt/aptitude will
downgrade. But that is not really supported and a few packages will
break and it will be your job to fix them.

MfG
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Re: How to install wine on debian/amd64/sid?

[Cavan Mejias]

2009/7/20 Dean Hamstead :
> If you arent able to fix breaks, you should use 'testing' which is
> currently 'squeeze'
>
> testing is generally solid enough but also bleeding edge enough for
> desktops.
>

Ya, I agree. Exactly why I use testing.

It must be possible to downgrade from sid to lenny, w/out a reinstall.

  Cheers.


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Clive Menzies]

Clive Menzies wrote:
>
>
> Michelle Konzack wrote:
>> Am 2009-07-21 01:03:08, schrieb James Brown:
>>   
>>> There is 3071MB RAM I can see in my BIOS.
>>> 
>>^^  ^^^
>>
>> IF THE BIOS does only find 3 GByte, then tere is  something  wrong  with
>> your Laptop or the BIOS and this has nothing to do with Debian.
>>   
> This is probably irrelevant but it may help someone searching the
> archives.  I bought a Thinkpad X61 with 4GB a while back.  At first it
> would'NT recognise more than 3gb on either windows or squeeze.  I
> checked the BIOS which was registering 4Gb.  I had many other things
> to do and left it for a while.  The windows deficiency must have been
> fixed in the Vista (shudder) SP1 update but the Debian shortfall
> continued and I've been following this thread.
>
> I use aptitude and found the following kernel package:
> linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem
>
> Installed it, rebooted and hey presto,cat /proc/meminfo gives:
>
> MemTotal:  4074284 kB
>
> Thanks. You guys are so great.
>
> Regards
>
> Clive

Sorry I messed up.  It only saw 3Gb before the kernel upgrade

My bad

Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2009-07-21 22:30:09, schrieb Clive Menzies:
> This is probably irrelevant but it may help someone searching the
> archives.  I bought a Thinkpad X61 with 4GB a while back.  At first it
> would recognise more than 3gb on either windows or squeeze.  I checked
> the BIOS which was registering 4Gb.  I had many other things to do and
> left it for a while.  The windows deficiency must have been fixed in the
> Vista (shudder) SP1 update but the Debian shortfall continued and I've
> been following this thread.
> 
> I use aptitude and found the following kernel package:
> linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem

There is NO "bigmem" Kernel for amd64  :-D

with an amd64 Kernel I can address  without  any  problems  64 GByte  of
memory from scratch, Which I have installed on  one  of  my  bigger  Sun
together with 2 Opteron Quad-Core CPU's.

Under SPARC I get 256 GByte or memory  :-)

> Installed it, rebooted and hey presto,cat /proc/meminfo gives:
> MemTotal:  4074284 kB

Yes because you are using i386

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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Vasilios Karaklioumis]

Clive Menzies wrote:



Michelle Konzack wrote:

Am 2009-07-21 01:03:08, schrieb James Brown:
  

There is 3071MB RAM I can see in my BIOS.


   ^^  ^^^

IF THE BIOS does only find 3 GByte, then tere is  something  wrong  with
your Laptop or the BIOS and this has nothing to do with Debian.
  
This is probably irrelevant but it may help someone searching the 
archives.  I bought a Thinkpad X61 with 4GB a while back.  At first it 
would recognise more than 3gb on either windows or squeeze.  I checked 
the BIOS which was registering 4Gb.  I had many other things to do and 
left it for a while.  The windows deficiency must have been fixed in 
the Vista (shudder) SP1 update but the Debian shortfall continued and 
I've been following this thread.


I use aptitude and found the following kernel package: 
linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem


Installed it, rebooted and hey presto,cat /proc/meminfo gives:

MemTotal:  4074284 kB

Thanks. You guys are so great.

Regards

Clive
No it hasnt.MS just "fixed" it to show how much memory you have 
installed and not how much you can allocate.Too many complaints by users 
probably...If both windows and debian cant allocate the full amount you 
need to change the memory hole/memory remapping settings in bios.



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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Clive Menzies]

Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2009-07-21 01:03:08, schrieb James Brown:
>   
>> There is 3071MB RAM I can see in my BIOS.
>> 
>^^  ^^^
>
> IF THE BIOS does only find 3 GByte, then tere is  something  wrong  with
> your Laptop or the BIOS and this has nothing to do with Debian.
>   
This is probably irrelevant but it may help someone searching the
archives.  I bought a Thinkpad X61 with 4GB a while back.  At first it
would recognise more than 3gb on either windows or squeeze.  I checked
the BIOS which was registering 4Gb.  I had many other things to do and
left it for a while.  The windows deficiency must have been fixed in the
Vista (shudder) SP1 update but the Debian shortfall continued and I've
been following this thread.

I use aptitude and found the following kernel package:
linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem

Installed it, rebooted and hey presto,cat /proc/meminfo gives:

MemTotal:  4074284 kB

Thanks. You guys are so great.

Regards

Clive

Re: What is the matter with the "http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/"?

[Robert Isaac]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:30 AM, A J Stiles wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote:
>> I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims.
>> I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and
>> bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an
>> encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary
>> phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources
>> of the Putins secret political police such "SORM" can control all my
>> outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP.
>
> Are you really so naïve as to think that Governments haven't paid the
> developers of Skype to insert a backdoor?  That could explain part of the
> reason why they are so dead set against anybody else getting their hands on
> the Source Code.

Do you really believe a horribly inept and inefficient government is
going to have the computing power to search through and sort the
massive amount of data produced from such an effort?  Skype is closed
source because of greed, eBay wants as much profit as they can
possibly acquire from skype and that includes licensing the code to
whomever.

>
> If it's encrypted telephony you want, you can always tunnell an IAX connection
> through OpenSSH.  The only secrets then are the session keys; and when you
> sever the connection, you can even publish the used keys, thus allowing you
> plausibly to claim that any remaining encrypted data found on your system was
> placed there afterward and re-datestamped.
>

Of course, if you really are living in a dictatorship, you've just
raised a red flag by using known protocols and no amount of
deniability will help you.  If you are discussing things that will
have repercussions from dictatorial governments, do not do so in a
public place which is what the Internet is.


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 08:20:56PM +0400, James Brown wrote:
> In the manual of my laptop was written that it was possible to upgrade
> its RAM to 4GB.

Sure, but being able to install 4GB doesn't mean it is able to make all
4GB available to the OS, just that installing 4GB of ram is possible.

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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[James Brown]

Thierry Chatelet wrote:
> On Monday 20 July 2009 22:08:58 James Brown wrote:
>   
>> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
>> But the system "see" only 3GB:
>> dmesg |grep Memory
>> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
>> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
>> $ cat /proc/meminfo
>> MemTotal:  3088108 kB
>>
>>
>> How can I get all my 4GB memory?
>> 
>
> Before looking into kernel option (all? recent kernel come by default with 
> bigmem enabled), I would look into the specs of the machine, ie: does it 
> support any memory speed with 4 Gb? I have seem thread in the past here 
> relating to this problem. And I know for sure on my aspire 5715z, this is the 
> case.
> Thierry
>
>
>   
In the manual of my laptop was written that it was possible to upgrade
its RAM to 4GB.


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Re: What is the matter with the "http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/"?

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 11:59:34AM +0400, James Brown wrote:
> I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims.
> I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and
> bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an
> encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones.
> But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the
> Putins secret political police such "SORM" can control all my outgoing
> calles through ekiga and SIP.

Why would you trust skype to be secure?  Have they told you what algorithm
they use for encryption?  Do you have the source code to verify it?

You would have to be crazy to rely on skype for that.

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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:08:58AM +0400, James Brown wrote:
> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
> But the system "see" only 3GB:
> dmesg |grep Memory
> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
> $ cat /proc/meminfo
> MemTotal:  3088108 kB
> 
> How can I get all my 4GB memory?

Could you get the output of dmesg?  It would tell us exactly what the
BIOS reports for memory.  Many older chipsets did not support remapping of
memory, so whatever area of the memory space PCI requried was simply lost.

Something like this is the key part:
BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
 BIOS-e820:  - 0009ac00 (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 0009ac00 - 000a (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 000e - 0010 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 0010 - bffc7440 (usable)
 BIOS-e820: bffc7440 - bffceac0 (ACPI data)
 BIOS-e820: bffceac0 - c000 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: e000 - f000 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: fec0 - 0001 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 0001 - 00024000 (usable)

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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Bjørn Mork]

James Brown  writes:

> There is 3071MB RAM I can see in my BIOS.

I must be missing something, but let me ask the stupid question:  Why do
you think Linux should something else?


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2009-07-21 03:10:14, schrieb James Brown:
> What are the kernel boot parameters?

mem=4G

or if G is not working

mem=4096M


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Michelle Konzack]

Am 2009-07-21 01:03:08, schrieb James Brown:
> There is 3071MB RAM I can see in my BIOS.
   ^^  ^^^

IF THE BIOS does only find 3 GByte, then tere is  something  wrong  with
your Laptop or the BIOS and this has nothing to do with Debian.

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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Michelle Konzack]

Hi James,

Am 2009-07-21 00:08:58, schrieb James Brown:
> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
> But the system "see" only 3GB:
> dmesg |grep Memory
> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
> $ cat /proc/meminfo
> MemTotal:  3088108 kB
> 
> 
> How can I get all my 4GB memory?

This sound not realy you are running amd64!
You have only this effect, if you run a ia32 Kernel.

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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Stefan Monnier]

> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
> But the system "see" only 3GB:
> dmesg |grep Memory
> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
> $ cat /proc/meminfo
> MemTotal:  3088108 kB


> How can I get all my 4GB memory?

I don't have time to check your machine's specs, but many chipsets of
a few years ago only recognized a maximum of 3GB (even though they
correctly work with 4GB installed).  My Thinkpad T60 is among them.
In this case, there's nothing you can do about it, short of getting
another machine.


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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Goswin von Brederlow]

tyler  writes:

> James Brown  writes:
>
>> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
>> But the system "see" only 3GB:
>> dmesg |grep Memory
>> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
>> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
>> $ cat /proc/meminfo
>> MemTotal:  3088108 kB
>>
>>
>> How can I get all my 4GB memory?
>
> I'm not sure how this works with AMD64, but with 32 bit systems the
> default kernel has a maximum amount of RAM it can recognize and use.
> When I increased the RAM on my thinkpad to 3GB, I had to switch to the
> 686 kernel to get it all recognized. I'm not sure how to investigate,
> but perhaps you need a different kernel or a kernel module? Just
> guessing.
>
> Tyler

On amd64 the limit is some million trillion billion gazillion bytes.
That isn't the problem.

MfG
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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Monday 20 July 2009 22:08:58 James Brown wrote:
> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
> But the system "see" only 3GB:
> dmesg |grep Memory
> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
> $ cat /proc/meminfo
> MemTotal:  3088108 kB
>
>
> How can I get all my 4GB memory?

Before looking into kernel option (all? recent kernel come by default with 
bigmem enabled), I would look into the specs of the machine, ie: does it 
support any memory speed with 4 Gb? I have seem thread in the past here 
relating to this problem. And I know for sure on my aspire 5715z, this is the 
case.
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Re: I want all my 4GB!!!

[tyler]

James Brown  writes:

> I have a laptop Acer TravelMate 3043WTMi under Lenny AMD64 with 4GD RAM.
> But the system "see" only 3GB:
> dmesg |grep Memory
> [0.004000] Memory: 3081184k/3136000k available (2225k kernel code,
> 54428k reserved, 1080k data, 392k init)
> $ cat /proc/meminfo
> MemTotal:  3088108 kB
>
>
> How can I get all my 4GB memory?

I'm not sure how this works with AMD64, but with 32 bit systems the
default kernel has a maximum amount of RAM it can recognize and use.
When I increased the RAM on my thinkpad to 3GB, I had to switch to the
686 kernel to get it all recognized. I'm not sure how to investigate,
but perhaps you need a different kernel or a kernel module? Just
guessing.

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Re: -- SPAM -- Re: What is the matter with the "http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/"?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-21 02:59, James Brown wrote:

Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 06:20:04PM +0400, James Brown wrote:
  

It will be very interesting if anybody skilled in programming will
create an open sourse analogue programm like the skype.


There are plenty, like ekiga and such.  They have the advantage of using
open standards like SIP, h.323 and such, unlike skype which uses
a horrible p2p protocol that only skype understands.

Skype's only purpose is to get everybody locked in to their private
standard.  They are almsot as bad as microsoft that way.

  

I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims.
I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and
bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an



And for how many years did western know-it-all Blue State 
"intelligentsia" whine and moan about W and Cheney and Gitmo, while 
having *no fscking clue* as to what a real dictatorship is???




encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones.
But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the
Putins secret political police such "SORM" can control all my outgoing
calles through ekiga and SIP.


Tunnel it thru SSL or SSH?  (Would require cooperation of person on 
other end with compatible h/w, of course, and the FSB might wonder 
why you send so much encrypted data.)


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Re: What is the matter with the "http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/"?

[A J Stiles]

On Tuesday 21 Jul 2009, James Brown wrote:
> I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims.
> I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and
> bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an
> encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary
> phones. But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources
> of the Putins secret political police such "SORM" can control all my
> outgoing calles through ekiga and SIP.

Are you really so naïve as to think that Governments haven't paid the 
developers of Skype to insert a backdoor?  That could explain part of the 
reason why they are so dead set against anybody else getting their hands on 
the Source Code.

If it's encrypted telephony you want, you can always tunnell an IAX connection 
through OpenSSH.  The only secrets then are the session keys; and when you 
sever the connection, you can even publish the used keys, thus allowing you 
plausibly to claim that any remaining encrypted data found on your system was 
placed there afterward and re-datestamped.

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Re: What is the matter with the "http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/"?

[Ralf Saalmüller]

Am 21.07.2009 um 09:59 schrieb James Brown:

...

I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims.
I (and many people in my country - x1, when existing terrible and
bloody dictatorship of tyrants x2x and x3 ) need to have an
encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to  
ordinary phones.
But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources  
of the

x3 secret political police such "x4" can control all my outgoing
calles through ekiga and SIP.


x1 may be Germany?
x2 may be Merkel?
x3 may be Schäuble?
x4 may be BND?

And that's why you like to use an closed source application that is  
in question of connecting foreign secret services to their servers?  
That can not be monitored by the community?


But as ekiga is on the linux side of life, you can use zphone to  
secure your sip calls.


If it's a matter of life and death you should consider something more  
secure. Build an openvpn connection and you can use any communication  
system with it.




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Re: What is the matter with the "http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/"?

[James Brown]

Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 06:20:04PM +0400, James Brown wrote:
>   
>> It will be very interesting if anybody skilled in programming will
>> create an open sourse analogue programm like the skype.
>> 
>
> There are plenty, like ekiga and such.  They have the advantage of using
> open standards like SIP, h.323 and such, unlike skype which uses
> a horrible p2p protocol that only skype understands.
>
> Skype's only purpose is to get everybody locked in to their private
> standard.  They are almsot as bad as microsoft that way.
>
>   
I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims.
I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and
bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an
encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones.
But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the
Putins secret political police such "SORM" can control all my outgoing
calles through ekiga and SIP.


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