Re: Dunc-Tank
On Thursday 28 September 2006 12:01, Gudjon I. Gudjonsson wrote:
Hi
Before I start I want to state that I don't want to start a
flame war. I have been reading about this Dunc-Tank project
snip
Regards
Gudjon
Too late {that was a joke} meant to be funny!
http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.vote/browse_frm/thread/c8ca2ec3758a9782/9d8d8fdee4611fb6?lnk=stq=%22dunc-tank%22+%2B+debianrnum=1hl=en#9d8d8fdee4611fb6
http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.vote/browse_frm/thread/26495e433f8590b8/8b5de6e87c181afa?lnk=stq=%22dunc-tank%22+%2B+debianrnum=2hl=en#8b5de6e87c181afa
Above is a few threads from google, if you need more just do a group
search for dunc-tank should fill your hearties content.
Below is a few blogs that talk about it, if that is your thing.
http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=enq=dunc-tankbtnG=Search+Blogs
Of course this is all found with google tools, if you haven't tried
some of those tools give them a try. Most of the time after using
a few of these tools, I get to the point of information overload.
I think I am about spent, my mind will be mush mig no fi
sen ;,...
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Re: any A8N-SLI premium users out there with an X2 installed?
On Thursday 28 September 2006 12:53, jurriaan wrote: Linux version 2.6.18-mm2 Is there a particular reason your using a mm2 kernel? I would suggest the main line kernel. I don't have your exact board but I do have an Opty 165 don't have any problems with powernow. You might be missing some kernel patch or something, a check of the changelog might determine what is missing. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: free vs non-free or commercial
On Thursday 14 September 2006 12:56, Paul Brook wrote: I had missed this suggestion. I agree to the extent that it is possible to agree. I mean that during my career of organic chemist I found extremely useful to have a free-form database, which can be used as a notebook, while the powerful boolean search engine allows me to retrieve quickly any piece of information that was loosely stored in. You mean like a direcory full of text files, combined with vi and grep? Paul But But But where is the GUI! Does it have a wizard! I do think you bring up a valid point, lots of times a tool is available but due to inexperience, or lack of understanding we don't know how to use it to it's ability. Another example would be find, and the use of regular expression's I know sure could learn more about those topics. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian AMD64 - any 32bit compatibility?
On Tuesday 29 August 2006 14:17, Thomas Steffen wrote: On 8/28/06, P|pex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need that chroot environment. You can read the how to [1] and build it :) [1] https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64 -howto.html#id271960 BTW: what happened to the many plans of running 32bit binaries without a chroot? In my experience, a chroot environment is a mayor PITA, and it is the one main reason that I would not recommend a 64bit system yet expect for the most enthusiastic early adopters. Thomas I think the real question should be what programs don't run with ia32libs, that can only be run in 32 bit chroot? I can only think of two really Open Office 2, and Firefox with flash plugin. Mostly the later because of the flash player. I know Ubuntu has OO2 running with their ia32libs, I am sure someone will speak up about that. Just looking at the orphaned list, while I am sure find tons of 32 bit programs that have no support, or most likely never have support for amd64. I thought the amd64 howto was very good about telling user's how to setup a chroot. I mean if you have installed Debian you should be able to setup a chroot following the directions. Heck if you partitioned a hard drive with parted and created your mount points it shouldn't be hard to figure out. Well you could always start another thread about multiarch again, but I think it's about a moot point now. I mean almost all the software that one needs is able to run in amd64 with ia32libs. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia Texture corruption in quake4!
Here is the full quake4-smp strace, which looks very similar to the one I posted in the Ubuntu bug report. Also I had to kill -9 the process as it hanged at the menu screen and my system was not responsive. Quake4 Final V1.3.0.2393 Build 2393.0 linux-x86 Aug 7 2006 found interface lo - loopback found interface eth0 - 192.168.1.101/255.255.255.0 CPU: AMD CPU with MMX 3DNow! SSE SSE2 SSE3 enabled Flush-To-Zero mode - Initializing File System -- Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/game000.pk4 with checksum 0x1e246dd2 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/game100.pk4 with checksum 0x7d4d8d2a Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/game200.pk4 with checksum 0x46f04342 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak001.pk4 with checksum 0xf2cbc998 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak002.pk4 with checksum 0x7f8d80d1 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak003.pk4 with checksum 0x1b57b207 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak004.pk4 with checksum 0x385aa578 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak005.pk4 with checksum 0x60d50a1d Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak006.pk4 with checksum 0x9099ed11 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak007.pk4 with checksum 0xaf301fff Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak008.pk4 with checksum 0x4ac6f6d9 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak009.pk4 with checksum 0x36030c7d Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak010.pk4 with checksum 0x4b80fbda Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak011.pk4 with checksum 0x8acf4cfa Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak012.pk4 with checksum 0xbe4120b0 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak013.pk4 with checksum 0x6ad67f40 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak014.pk4 with checksum 0xee51cd59 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak015.pk4 with checksum 0xf5bf4e0c Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak016.pk4 with checksum 0x2196f58c Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak017.pk4 with checksum 0x91118a35 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak018.pk4 with checksum 0x98a14f03 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak019.pk4 with checksum 0xbc82ac79 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak020.pk4 with checksum 0xce74cda5 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/zpak_english.pk4 with checksum 0x5868f530 Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/zpak_english_01.pk4 with checksum 0xd9f04b8b Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/zpak_english_02.pk4 with checksum 0x9dbd91fd Loaded pk4 /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/zpak_english_03.pk4 with checksum 0x2eb6ad8 Current search path: /root/.quake4/q4base /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/zpak_english_03.pk4 (4 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/zpak_english_02.pk4 (21 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/zpak_english_01.pk4 (1 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/zpak_english.pk4 (3457 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak020.pk4 (11 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak019.pk4 (1206 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak018.pk4 (3 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak017.pk4 (3 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak016.pk4 (193 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak015.pk4 (34 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak014.pk4 (552 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak013.pk4 (239 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak012.pk4 (1081 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak011.pk4 (5620 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak010.pk4 (5539 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak009.pk4 (1284 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak008.pk4 (1289 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak007.pk4 (1330 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak006.pk4 (1343 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak005.pk4 (1395 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak004.pk4 (2249 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak003.pk4 (1281 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak002.pk4 (313 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/pak001.pk4 (5837 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/game200.pk4 (9 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/game100.pk4 (2 files) /usr/local/games/quake4/q4base/game000.pk4 (2 files) game DLL: 0x0 in pak: 0x0 Addon pk4s: file system initialized. - Initializing Decls - Loading guides 64 loaded WARNING: file materials/mappack1.mtr, line 175: material 'models/mapobjects/multiplayer/jump_pad/jump_pad_color' previously defined at materials/mapobjects_mp2.mtr:1 WARNING: file materials/mappack1.mtr, line 199: material 'models/mapobjects/multiplayer/jump_pad/jump_pad_color_glow' previously defined at materials/mapobjects_mp2.mtr:29 WARNING: file materials/mappack1.mtr, line 224: material 'models/mapobjects/multiplayer/acceleration_pad/acceleration_pad_color' previously defined at materials/mapobjects_mp2.mtr:53 WARNING: file materials/mappack1.mtr, line 242: material
Nvidia Texture corruption in quake4!
Dear: Fellow users; I am in need of advice, I am having the same problem with texture corruption, and not being able to run quake4-smp as I had in Ubuntu. Every other game I own runs fine ut2004 runs good, no texture corruption. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/47391 I am using the latest Nvidia drivers, and this was a fresh amd64 install from beta2 etch net iso's. I know that Ubuntu has solved the problem, when a few months later I installed the nvidia drivers with the ubuntu method. As later I did not have any texture problems, and quake4-smp would run without a problem. I don't know what changes they made, but I believe it is a Nvidia driver issue. I first tried the 32 chroot install of quake4, but it shows the exact problem I am having in the 64 bit version. I am able to run the quake4 exe in both the 32 bit, and 64 bit versions, but it shows much texture corruption, and is slow even with everything turned down low, such as no AA, no bump mapping, etc. Looking at my Xorg logs show's nothing out of the ordinary, also my kernel log shows nothing, or any errors regarding the graphics card. I am using the latest patches 1.3 and I can play for a short time but the corruption is two much for an extended time. Opty 165 Motherboard asrock dual sata 939 Nvidia 6600gt apg card Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nvidia Texture corruption in quake4!
On Saturday 19 August 2006 19:48, Robert Isaac wrote: Two things, 1.) Quake 4 does not have a 64-bit executable, it only runs with 32 bit libs installed on your system, iD has yet to produce a 64 bit game. TTimo's view of the issue can be found here: http://www.linuxgames.com/?dataloc=articles/ttimo2006/ (second to last question) 2.) It is not a driver issue it is a Quake 4 issue, forward the problem to the Quake 4 devs. (Before the 1.3.2 patch I had no problem with the latest Nvidia drivers 1.0-8762 with Xorg 6.9 on Sarge, after the patch certain windows lose their transparency) On 8/19/06, Gnu-Raiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear: Fellow users; I am in need of advice, I am having the same problem with texture corruption, and not being able to run quake4-smp as I had in Ubuntu. Every other game I own runs fine ut2004 runs good, no texture corruption. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/47391 I am using the latest Nvidia drivers, and this was a fresh amd64 install from beta2 etch net iso's. I know that Ubuntu has solved the problem, when a few months later I installed the nvidia drivers with the ubuntu method. As later I did not have any texture problems, and quake4-smp would run without a problem. I don't know what changes they made, but I believe it is a Nvidia driver issue. I first tried the 32 chroot install of quake4, but it shows the exact problem I am having in the 64 bit version. I am able to run the quake4 exe in both the 32 bit, and 64 bit versions, but it shows much texture corruption, and is slow even with everything turned down low, such as no AA, no bump mapping, etc. Looking at my Xorg logs show's nothing out of the ordinary, also my kernel log shows nothing, or any errors regarding the graphics card. I am using the latest patches 1.3 and I can play for a short time but the corruption is two much for an extended time. Opty 165 Motherboard asrock dual sata 939 Nvidia 6600gt apg card Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I was doing some research I ran across a few articles mentioning compiz, and xgl and window transparency. Also the link you provided was of an interview, not of a transparency issue. I also thought that window transparency and texture corruption was a different kettle all together. I also meant i was able to run quake4 32 bit in a native 64 bit system with just ia32 libs without a change root. Like I mentioned above I believe that Ubuntu has solved the problem, I hoped for someone with knowledge can enlighten us all. It could be a chipset problem with just my board and the ali agp driver. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question : grub commands
On Monday 14 August 2006 11:07, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Hello ! Just an easy question: Is there a difference between disable_timer_pin_1 and noapictimer at startup in grub ? If yes, what is the difference ? (This command is needed to get the clock running correct) regards Hans Why not use Chrony and your local pool.ntp.org servers for time? Also what happens if you don't reboot for a long time, then how do you keep your time correct? Not that it makes a difference, but those are kernel commands, I believe all grub does is pass those on to the kernel anyway. Your local search engine will be most useful here, might want to give it a go. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question : grub commands
On Monday 14 August 2006 14:40, Mike Reinehr wrote: On Monday 14 August 2006 01:40 pm, Gnu-Raiz wrote: On Monday 14 August 2006 11:07, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: Hello ! Just an easy question: Is there a difference between disable_timer_pin_1 and noapictimer at startup in grub ? If yes, what is the difference ? (This command is needed to get the clock running correct) regards Hans Why not use Chrony and your local pool.ntp.org servers for time? Also what happens if you don't reboot for a long time, then how do you keep your time correct? Not that it makes a difference, but those are kernel commands, I believe all grub does is pass those on to the kernel anyway. Your local search engine will be most useful here, might want to give it a go. Gnu_Raiz ntp-simple couldn't be easier to install use and will keep your system time synchronized with the national time servers. I also would recommend ntpdate if you shut your system down frequently. Ntpdate will set the time on boot, while ntp-simple will keep it synchronized. HTH cmr -- Debian 'Sarge': Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC :) I have one machine that uses ntpd, if your curious that is what Freebsd ships with except it's not turned on by default. Regardless the hardest part was doing the .conf file, it was easy if you use the pool at ntp.org. If you really want to read up on the virtures of Chrony and why some suggest it for Debian you might want to search Debian user list, as it comes up once in a while. Let's just say that each has it ardent fans. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alsa libasound2-dev AV710 Envy24HT ICE1724! SOLVED
Hi: Fellow 64 bit users! This is some what of a post for posterity, or those who are having problems with alsa sound on amd64. I filed this bug report Bug#383054 on libasound2 which solves my problem. For all those AV710 Users out their who are having problems getting sound to work with Debian/Etch you might want to upgrade to libasound2-dev, this solved my mixer not found problem, and allowed me to listen to sound. I would also like to mention that I would advise you to make a ~.asoundrc file and follow some of the suggestions on this page. http://alsa.opensrc.org/ice1724 After a little copy and paste I was able to get sound working with the wolfson dac, it sounds great. I only have a 2.1 sound system. So I have not tested every channel, but I must say this works well. My speakers are a cheap creative set, this sounds great with music a little fine tuning might be in order. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian amd64 and linux certifications
On Tuesday 25 July 2006 08:08, Christian Powers wrote: Anyone, I am currently a Debian only user at home and at work. Most of my computers are running 64bit kernels and of course the others are running 32bit systems and an ARM type system. I am currently working on gaining some official knowledge of Linux and actually having proof of it. I have been looking closely at going for the Linux + certification. I understand from reading a little online, that the test officially uses the RPM package manager, and thought I would pose this question to the group. Are there any other Linux certifications that would be either Linux generic (no special reference to .deb. or rpm, etc), or is the Linux + something that would be recommended? Any Ideas on Linux certifications would be greatly appreciated. I don't think there is a Debian specific certification, most places offer a general Linux certification. For instance CompTIA offers such a course. http://certification.comptia.org/linux/ Also another popular option that offers exams at various places can be found. http://www.lpi.org/en/home.html Not to mention a lot of local colleges, and Universities offer classes and some might do certification. A year or so ago I took an online class that used the compTIA book, called Linus+ Guide to Linux Certification. It was to prepare a person for the compTIA test. I got a good grade on the course but never took the official test. The information was a little dated, and focused mostly on general Linux terms. I have heard that they have a new book out, and some of the information have changed. Here is another link that might be of interest. http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/topics/linux/certification This is for the lpi I believe, but might link up to a local university, as I recall if you bought one of their books, you had an option to take an online course, then take an exam. I do think that these certifications might help you get a job, but the Kernel changes so quickly, and so do the applications that it might be limited in its use. I do think that being involved in a project would look even better. But I guess every little bit helps, regardless of how useful it is. Gnu-Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ROX--Session--Family!
On Thursday 20 July 2006 11:57, stalbert wrote: Gnu-Raiz wrote: On Wednesday 19 July 2006 18:51, stalbert wrote: Gnu-Raiz wrote: snip hi I use rox-filer all the time, sid amd64, and it is part of the distribution. Rox-session is not. I choose to use .xsession and that works fine for me. For pinboard backgound I just right click on the pinboard and drag drop the pic i want. for directories, from a filer window, I right click on dir, select `set icon` choose `for all files of type etc` and drag drop the .png I want for directories.restart xserver job done. Is rox-session really worth bothering about?. Stan I might try that the information that is on the wiki's and other information is not very clear about what arch is used. I do use Rox-session with Freebsd and use Flux-box as the window manager. I have used Wallpaper in the past to change the background, and I use to keep a file of pictures and change them out. I also had a bunch of various icons pictures so I could have all the cool looking icons I wanted. Are you able to drop like mpeg2 or avi's on your xine icons, or mplayer icons to start playing movies, or clips? I just love that ability, it saves so much time then having to mess with cmd line, or start up mplayer, or xine. Right now one of the problems keeping me from running Rox-session is a python-dbus dependence, which I have not been able to track down. I will do a follow up post to update everyone on the progress. I will sure try out the options of what Rox-filer has to offer, maybe I need to read the man pages, and documents for Rox. Gnu_Raiz I am using rox-filer 2.4.1 which is what comes with the debian distribution. It just works out of the box with apt-get install rox-filer. In that case all dependencies are automatically resolved. You are using rox-filer from somewhere else, in that case you have to resolve all dependancies yourself. Just install via apt-get. for window manager I am using sawfish. jpeg bmp xpm png tiff and even svg all work fine. avi and other movie formats do not. regards stan I am using testing,the filer is included in etch so I had no problem installing that. Also zeroinstall was fine as well due to the fact that it had a .deb as well. After doing some reading all Rox-Session does is manage sessions between your Rox-Filer and your Window manager. In other words it sets up Rox-Filer, as the file manager and will put a entry in your gdm, as ROX, or in kdm puts an entry as custom. It also allows you to log out of the session, and choose a window manager to use with Rox-Filer the next time Rox-Session is run. Since you have put the needed lines in your .xsession I guess one does not need the Rox-Session. After playing with it a little, you could do everything you needed just with that. I need to study the manual as I need to setup starting programs like KDE does so when you log out of your session you don't need to restart every program you use all the time. I thought their was a way to do that with some of the options, but it did not turn out that way. Olaunch is pretty cool, I don't have it installed on my bsd machine, but it's fun to play with it on my etch system. I am just so amazed at how fast it is, I have a laptop that would really benefit for it. That will be my next sub project when I get more time. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ROX--Session--Family!
On Wednesday 19 July 2006 18:51, stalbert wrote: Gnu-Raiz wrote: snip hi I use rox-filer all the time, sid amd64, and it is part of the distribution. Rox-session is not. I choose to use .xsession and that works fine for me. For pinboard backgound I just right click on the pinboard and drag drop the pic i want. for directories, from a filer window, I right click on dir, select `set icon` choose `for all files of type etc` and drag drop the .png I want for directories.restart xserver job done. Is rox-session really worth bothering about?. Stan I might try that the information that is on the wiki's and other information is not very clear about what arch is used. I do use Rox-session with Freebsd and use Flux-box as the window manager. I have used Wallpaper in the past to change the background, and I use to keep a file of pictures and change them out. I also had a bunch of various icons pictures so I could have all the cool looking icons I wanted. Are you able to drop like mpeg2 or avi's on your xine icons, or mplayer icons to start playing movies, or clips? I just love that ability, it saves so much time then having to mess with cmd line, or start up mplayer, or xine. Right now one of the problems keeping me from running Rox-session is a python-dbus dependence, which I have not been able to track down. I will do a follow up post to update everyone on the progress. I will sure try out the options of what Rox-filer has to offer, maybe I need to read the man pages, and documents for Rox. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unrar
On Monday 10 July 2006 08:25, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 08:51:22AM -0500, Gnu-Raiz wrote: Deja View Am I reading the right list, for a moment I thought I was on Debian User! Anyway a serval months ago Debian User had a very very very long thread about *rar, and various other programs that some users use. So if you really want to get into the nuts and bolts, I would suggest you read up on it. http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_frm/thr ead/51cc1cc1c251a2e3?q=rar+%2B+debian+%2B+compressionhl=en Since storage is really a non issue with big harddrives, and large flash drives over 1 gb, I think that compression rates are really a non issue. I do think it comes down to the ideological differences of using a program. Unless of course your talking about the proprogation of Usenet post, Which is kind of ironic since most people on this list would consider that as going against the etho's of this list. Well people do seem to like bzip2 for making kernel downloads take less time, although debian packages of course seem to use gzip compression internally. Changing tha package format would be a major hassle of course. I think with tar as the standard way to store files in a collection on unix, with a seperate compression appluied, things like zip, 7zip, rar, arj, etc, just aren't as interesting or necesary to *nix users. Len Sorensen I agree if your use to *nix then tar and company is the best method. As regarding compression I was mostly refering to breaking the image, or exe, or whatever into equal parts. that is probably one reason the alt.binaries newsgroups like it so much, and the fact that it's established. So if you break an image into equal lengths, and post them in say 10-15 MB sizes, the compression method really doesn't matter. You just add a few more equal sized chunks. Now I agree if you want to host files then compression makes all the difference, especially if your on a limited budget. The sad truth is if for some unknown reason you decided to upload to one of the various alt.binaries newsgroups and you use tar, or company then most people would be lost as to what format that is. But rar does come in handy if you missed a favorite episode or TV program, or just want some HD loving content. Of course that all depends on what country you live in, right now ABC is trying to stop fast forwarding commercials. If you follow the MPAA they want it illegal to rip content to your harddrive, even if its for personal use. I try to keep it simple, I don't send linux iso's in tar format to my dvd buddies, and I don't send tv programs in rar format to my open source buddies. Then again I can understand the computer scientist point of view, getting all excited about better compression, and makeing things more efficient. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unrar
On Friday 07 July 2006 17:43, Jo Shields wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 04:45:58PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Same here. However, not everyone thinks the same way. Yeah I know. Microsoft Office users for example. :) tar I understand (although there are a lot of different implementations of it too). Zip works too for some things. I think rar v3 is almost exclusively used by software pirates to get the most compression for the files they are distributing. Maybe I am just too synical. :) Len Sorensen You are. RAR v3 is used because pirates are creatures of habit, and it always *used* to be best, and easy to use with pirated WinRAR. 7zip gives better compression for those who are doing more than following tradition Deja View Am I reading the right list, for a moment I thought I was on Debian User! Anyway a serval months ago Debian User had a very very very long thread about *rar, and various other programs that some users use. So if you really want to get into the nuts and bolts, I would suggest you read up on it. http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_frm/thread/51cc1cc1c251a2e3?q=rar+%2B+debian+%2B+compressionhl=en; Since storage is really a non issue with big harddrives, and large flash drives over 1 gb, I think that compression rates are really a non issue. I do think it comes down to the ideological differences of using a program. Unless of course your talking about the proprogation of Usenet post, Which is kind of ironic since most people on this list would consider that as going against the etho's of this list. Gnu_Raiz Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: multiprocessor
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 01:35, Francesco Pietra wrote: Forgot to say: $ uname -a Linux deb64 2.6.15-1-amd64-k8-smp #2 date mpqc 2.3.0-1, running on amd64 etch debian, sees only one processor, while there are two. I posed the question also to the mpqc list but, in the meantime, I wonder wether there is anything general to do with debian. Mother bowrd Tyan K8WE S 2895, two 265 dual opteron, all eight slots of ram filled (1 GB each) At computer on: CPU0=Dual Core amd64 opteron 265 CPU1=Dual Core amd64 opteron 265 All ram detected (also, subsequently, with top command) As far as I understand, on the general command $ mpqc filename.inp | tee filename.ou all available processor should be detected. What can be done from the debian general point of view of checking processors? Thanks for helping. Cheers francesco pietra Top will tell you how many CPU's you have hit 1 when in top, should give you an account of your CPU's. Don't forget dmesg, that will tell you as well, like another gentleman said it starts counting from 0, so it is normal to see only 3 as the final CPU. Also most of the stuff you need can be found in the /proc directory, in fact that is what top uses. So if you need a quick fix just cat in your /proc directory to see the information. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tyan Europe
On Sunday 28 May 2006 14:02, Karl Schmidt wrote: Francesco Pietra wrote: Any experience with Tyan Europe technical support ([EMAIL PROTECTED])? I posed a question to the above address about raid1 support by the mainboard Tyan KWE 2895. The question was unanswered. Tyan USA blew off a recent question as soon as I mentioned Linux (the question really was particular to Linux) - they apparently don't see Linux users as important to support. - That being said, they do better support than most MB providers. Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 What is, is; What was, was; What might of been; never will be. That all depends of what you term as better support, and how important you are as a customer. The more boards you buy, the better response you will get. You might want to check out the forums at 2cpu.com, I would go their first to do research on the problem. Most of the time they will have heard about the problem then follow that up with customer support. A lot of people are using Iwill, or even SuperMicro boards with great success. Like Iwill are using digital vrms and the board quality is very good. As far as customer support concerned I agree that most companies need more training in that department. I don't think I would buy another Tyan board, I got burned on a mp tiger which I am typing from now. I personally would try Supermicro, or even Iwill as I would keep my boards for many years, component quality is of the upmost importance to me. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rxvt won't start
On Friday 28 April 2006 15:48, Russ Cook wrote: Aaron M. Ucko wrote: Russ Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm running gnome. From a xterminal, I try to start rxvt, and get this message: rxvt: can't load color Black rxvt: can't load color Black rxvt: aborting Has anyone seen this problem, and can you tell me what I should check? You may have managed to hit http://bugs.debian.org/343389 . Try reinstalling the x11-common package with dpkg --force-confmiss: dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/x11-common_*.deb Aaron, Thank you for the reply. I did as you suggested, but the error remains the same. Thanks though! Is their any special reason your using rxvt? You can make the changes to x-term to make it look exactly like rxvt! Example code: xterm -sb -sl 200 -leftbar -fg black -bg white I do agree that if rxvt does not work right maybe you should file a bug report. If I remember correctly rxvt is a subset to xterm, and might not have implemented everything yet. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 Installation/Usage-Experience Checklist?
On Sunday 12 March 2006 15:07, Tony Freeman wrote: I was just on the Ubuntu site http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/flight5 ... and noted that they have a checklist of sorts for people to report back on their installation and experience using the software. ( scoll down the page to the 'testing' section or click here for the long vesion of the test checklist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Long ) I was just wondering if AMD64 should have the same sort of thing? Such a check list could be posted on this site: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ ... with a request that people join the mailing list to submit the results of their experience. -- Tony This is already covered under popularity contest, and also the installation reports. You did fill one out when you installed right? I don't know about you, but i hate to fill out a password to a forum just to post a question. I like the wiki idea but one thing I dislike about Ubuntu is it relies on forums too much. I much like mailing lists and Usenet groups at least that way I don't have to subscribe to fill a bug report. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD 64 CPU Chip Selection Question
On Wednesday 25 January 2006 02:36 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 03:28:41PM -0500, Robert Isaac wrote: Actually, you should hold off until after June before buying any AMD64 CPU. AMD will be releasing a new socket style and the current Socket 939 and 754 chips should drop in prices, not sure about the Opterons (Socket 940). Actually, you should probably hold off buying *any* piece of computing equipment until you can't do without it, as prices keep going down. Rare is the day I pay the price they quoted me at my local computer store, because the price goes down too fast. -- hendrik Like everything else its a judgement call, you can have your cake today, enjoy it for a lot longer. I came over this problem about a week ago, I was going to just get a socket 754 sempron chip, and use it later down the road in a pvr. Almost everything was the same except the cost of the chip, the chip I really needed was over the two hundred dollar mark. As Myth TV likes it cpu power, if your working in 1080p. Sure I could of got something less but then I have heard of people running into problems on 3200, 3400 Athlon 64's. So I really needed a 3700 or better chip. In the end I ended up going for a Opteron 165, and as stated in another thread it only cost me about 60 dollars more than a single core 3700. So for that price it was a good investment, as I know that demand will keep the dual cores prices up for a while until the next big thing. Gnu_Raiz Also whats with all the top posting, it seem's that every other thread has a bunch of top posters? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Athlon Dual core support in kernel
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 04:04 am, Dmytro Kovalskyy wrote: Dear All, Could someone point me which kernel to use with Athlon64 X2? Thanks in advance - Dmytro Kovalskyy, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Look at an smp kernel image, or build your own. What I have done in the past is take a smp kernel image, and then download the newer source then copy the config file and build your kernel. Kind of what is told in the handbook, or you can just use your current kernel and make menu config, turn on SMP. Since I have old hardware, I really do not need a newer kernel so the kernel image works great. Check your hardware first as some sata drivers might be missing in older kernels, like 2.6.12 or that range. I just did an Ubuntu install using a stock smp 2.6.12 kernel, it found all my hardware just fine. But I am only using pata drives, and an old Santa Cruz sound card. This was on an Asrock dual sata 2 MB, with an Opteron 165 with 1024 L2 cache. Also if you have not bought your X2 yet I would really consider the Opty's 939's. Monarch was having a firesale on them with a combo purchase. I got mine for like 285 oem, I have heard that the prices might go up a little at the end of this month. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DualCore Dual-Opteron Board - suggestion?
On 20:08, Fri 09 Dec 05, Lubos Vrbka wrote: No clue personally, just seems amusing given supermicro I believe is the company that doesn't even want to admit to making AMD compatible boards. :) maybe it changed (see below) You can go through their website looking at models and they only mention intel cpus. once in a while you can click on something, like say the SC812S-420C in the chassis section, clearly labeled as DP Xeon / EM64T in the chart, but once you go to the details of it, you discover that amazingly it apparently can also be had with opterons installed. About the only way to find anything non intel, is by random clicking, or doing a site search for opteron. They sure aren't trying to get you to buy their opteron offerings. Maybe that would make intel mad at them or something. I wonder if they have any experience dealing with opterons yet? I wonder what the service would be like if there is a problem in the bios. well i think that there is some information: http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/ the truth is, that tyan is our favorite :) it's classics after all... and has sata... http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8sdpro.html however, the question is when it will be available - not possible to get it in czech republic, nor in germany... regards, -- Lubos [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess it's good that someone keeps Tyan in business, you might want to check out http://www.2cpu.com for more informaton on dual boards. What surprises me is no mention of Iwill they seem to be having very good success. Digital VRM's and other new features, from what I gather you should be able to get them in Europe. I have not seen any gotcha's or other bad press about their dual AMD boards. They also have an online shop so if you can't find a local shop that sells them then give them a try. http://www.iwillstore.com/ Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ISO Burning problems
On 14:46, Tue 06 Dec 05, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Tue, Dec 06, 2005 at 01:26:17PM -0600, Mike Reinehr wrote: I ran into this the first time that I burned a DVD image of Libranet's new, 3.0 release. Growisofs output indicated a successful burn, but the new image failed the md5sum test. I finally noticed that the dvd image was several kilobytes larger than the original image. Eventually, using dd od I determined that the difference appeared to consist of several blocks of binary zeros appended to the end of the original image. As a test of this theory, I used dd to truncate the extra blocks and the resulting image passed the md5sum test. cd and dvd are supposed to be padded at the end with zeros. Reading them raw is not supported since there is not official end to the track, only the filesystem knows how far to expect reads to work. The correct way to verify a CD/DVD is to compare the contents in general, or to use readcd or equivalant specifying the number of blocks to read to match the original size. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I don't understand is why all the fuse, I thought you were supposed to check the md5sums after you downloaded them from the source. Once you have them verified then you know it's clean, and a proper source. If you then burn them, or use them or modify them on your computer then its a totally different story. The only exception might be a rootkit, but that is somewhat out of character of a root kit, as they usually want to control the local machine, and not modify itself to change how a dvd burn works. I must admit that using diff, and your other suggestions for the list was a good refresher of cmd line tools. I never did like k3b that much, everytime I used it it give's weird results or crashed. So I stuck with growisofs, and the other basis tools that all the gui's depend on. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Motherboard with many SATA ports: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum ?
On 20:28, Mon 28 Nov 05, Andre Majorel wrote: Sorry, yet another motherboard question. Looking for a socket 939 motherboard with a comfortable number of SATA ports (at least 6, preferably 8). The application is software RAID. Here's what I've found so far : NB PCI SATA ports__ Ethernet__ Asus a8n-sli deluxe nf4s 3 4(nf4) + 4(3114) g(nf) + g(marvel) Asus a8n-sli premium nf4s 3 4(nf4) + 4(3114) g(nf) + g(marvel) Gigabyte ga-k8n ultra-9 nf4u 3 4(nf4) + 4(3114) g(marvel) + g(cicada) Gigabyte ga-k8nxp-9 nf4u 3 4(nf4) + 4(3114) g(nf) + g(marvel) MSI k8n diamond nf4s 3 4(nf4) + 2(3132) g(nf4s)+ g(88e8053) MSI k8n diamond 54g nf4 4(nf4) + 2(sil) g(nf4) + g(marvel) MSI k8n neo4 platinum nf4u 4 4(nf4) + 4(3114) g(88e) + g(88e8053) MSI k8n neo4 platinum sli nf3 4(nf3) + 2(sil) MSI k8n sli-finf4s 4(nf4) + 2(sil?) g(marvel) I'm not too hot for Gigabyte due to past experience with BIOS updates, or lack thereof. The Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe/Premium and MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum look good. The A8N-SLI Deluxe/Premium support SLI, which I have no use for, at the expense of a PCI slot. They're also more expensive than the K8N Neo4 Platinum. All other things being equal, I'd rather have AGP than PCIe16 but I haven't found an AGP motherboard with enough SATA ports. So it looks like it's going to be an MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum. Comments ? Suggestions ? -- André Majorel URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/ Do not use this account for regular correspondence. See the URL above for contact information. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can always add a pci sata controller card, if you need more ports, yes it will take up a pci slot but it could be an option. From your list I would go for the MSI K8N neo 4 Platinum seems to have everything you need, and has some nice ethernet ports. In some of the groups I follow, MSI is getting the nod for more and more builds, these are from guys who might build 8 to 10 systems a year for family and friends. Also you need to remember that most companies do not make there own boards but sub contract those out, and only put the components on. You might want to check out the articles on motherboards fabs. So it is quite possible that more than one mb manufacture use's the same subcontractor. The only difference is the QA and how much the boards are tested. I have a MSI socket A board that is running very nicely, and I have not had any problems. In todays market the mb manufactures really can not afford to have too many problems so you will likely find the quality between the boards to be somewhat the same. What it comes down to is the service, I know for a fact that MSI has an online RMA request form. I have had the worst problem with Gigabyte RMA problems. In the end I had to trash a board, because it would not hold up a +5 volt line and would not work right. I did not want to keep calling Gigabyte. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Filesystem stability?
On 10:40, Tue 12 Jul 05, Pete St. Onge wrote: I've been using XFS on AMD64 on a 3ware array for about a year as well. I changed kernels a couple of times (I usually use vanilla kernel.org kernels), and it's a pretty happy machine. -- pete On Tue, Jul 12, 2005 at 06:06:33AM +0200, Miroslav Maiksnar wrote: Dne út 12. ??ervence 2005 3:18 Mark Ferlatte napsal(a): I've heard rumours that some of the Linux filesystems aren't as stable as they should be on AMD64; in particular, I've heard of bad things happening with JFS and XFS. That being said, I can't find anything even approaching authoritative, so I thought I'd ask: What filesystems are you guys using, and anyone had any bad experiences? I'm using XFS more than year on AMD64 without troubles (on both desktop and server). Mixi -- Pete St. Onge pete at seul.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would consider what file system tools you need, for example if you plan on resizing your partitions a lot, XFS might not be the best choice. As in XFS you can always go bigger, but its a pain to go smaller. I would do a search of google for the proper tools, make sure that those tools are what you need. The point about the bug reports are valid in my book, if a company does not have the time to dedicate bug fixes, or lack of development maybe a new filesystem is in order. Its kind of like what flavor of ice cream one person likes, some like vanilla, some strawberry, etc ... I do find in my situation that I have caused most of my crashes, for example a keyboard locks up, or no matter what I do I can not get to a terminal, so I hit the reset switch. In a case like that I think any filesystem would have problems, I have used Reiser3, XFS, ext3, I did have corruptions in ext3, and Reiser3 but like I said it was probably user induced, right now I am using XFS, and ext3 in a boot partition. Its been pretty hardy when I have to hit the reset button due to lockups. In my case lockups happen due to the chipset I am using, I have the old 760 amd chipset used in an old dual mp tyan motherboard. These boards and chipsets are known to have errata regardless of the kernel options I pass to it. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GPG burns my notebook!
On 20:06, Thu 07 Jul 05, antongiulio05 wrote: Hi, this is not a joke:) Reading posts about GPG-errors for last apt version, I have launched: apt-key add keyfile. At start, notebook temperature was for thermal 1: 40 C and thermal 2: 47 C (from 'acpi -V'). Running command above (and so 'gpg' process) my system becomes unstable (auto key pressing etc.), and temperature is jumped to 55 C for 1, and 88 C for 2 in one minute. Top command returned 'gpg' cpu-usage 99%. Is it a debian problem or a notebook strange behavior? I have an acer 1524wlmi. Thanks Giulio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your notebook is under warranty I would RMA it, also I would run some more test's such as prime 95, or RC5-72 something that will stress the processor. Even if they use a desktop chip in a laptop, the manufacture needs to remember the intended use of the laptop. An over heatings laptop is not considered workable in my book, you should be able to use the laptop as a server and still not have it over heat. In other words a laptop cpu should be able to run at 100% all the time and not have any major problems, if your needing an external cooler because its too hot this is another reason to send it back. I would also check the back connectors, such as the serial ports, and usb ports, if they feel hot to the touch, then I would send it back, maybe the cpu heatsink is not properly installed. Just because its a laptop does not mean you need to baby it, its a computer a portable one, it should be able to be used as such, if it can't then something is wrong. On my wifes laptop, it runs RC5-72 24/7, I tell her she can shut it off it she wants, but she keeps telling me that it takes too long to boot. I said thats fine leave it on then, it sometimes goes weeks without being turned off. If I sense something is wrong with it, I will not hesitate to send it back for RMA. Gnu_Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Another program for burning dvds
On 08:19, Mon 14 Mar 05, Max wrote: Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Sun, Mar 13, 2005 at 01:28:08PM -0800, Max wrote: /usr/share/doc/cdrecord/README.DVD.Debian describes four official ways to burn DVD under Debian. Personally, I like the last one with patched cdrecord which is to be manually compiled. There are simple instructions for that. But to get the job done you may need to additionally install the following packages: dpatch autotools-dev smake If that patch involves the 'dvdrecord' patch then unless someone else has taken over, or this is yet another patch, then it only supports Pioneer A03/103 properly, and isn't maintained very well (if at all). Patched cdrecord works fine with my NEC ND-1300A dvd burner. At least it's not worse than commercial cdrecord-ProDVD. Certainly I prefer growisofs for burning DVDs. Never fails. I use growisofs as well but for DVD+R[W] media. Max I think a lot of people get confused about burning, and composing a dvd. Once a dvd, or image of a dvd is done then burning it with your gui is not a problem. I do agree that in order to get an image, or a composite of a dvd is the hard part. Since a lot of people are used to the way windows handles dvds they assume that all they have to do is click a button, and their dvd will be ready for burning. So people confuse burning with composing, under Gnu/Linux its more of a process as most people know who read this list. If anyone has used dvdauthor will know that it can be tricky. Not to mention that to get the same functionality you will need non DFSG programs such as mencoder, transcode and the infamous decss. Then we will have the upcoming DRM, and format wars that are upon us. I do not see a very easy solution for composing a DVD for a while, even under Windows and the DRM, Trusted Computing, the days of simplicity may be over. It might be a long process to exercise your rights of fair use in the USA. But if your interested in a Linux guide of how to compose and make a dvd then this might be of interest to all those who follow this thread. http://www.bunkus.org/dvdripping4linux/en/single/index.html http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ I at least found the links above to be very useful! Gnu-Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request: please change reply to in this mailing list
On 12:51, Tue 08 Mar 05, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: * Gnu-Raiz snip You mean http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct ? -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the link, I remember reading it somewhere about carbon copy. What I have seen lately is people sending a CC to the list, after sending an email. Kind of the opposite of what the lists mentions. I know some mutt.rc configs it this way. I guess they might need to define spam one of these days as well, as ones man spam is anothers informed message. Gnu-Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Request: please change reply to in this mailing list
On 13:33, Tue 08 Mar 05, Javier Kohen wrote: Hi, Gnu-Raiz wrote: Thanks for the link, I remember reading it somewhere about carbon copy. What I have seen lately is people sending a CC to the list, after sending an email. Kind of the opposite of what the lists mentions. I know some mutt.rc configs it this way. I guess they might need to define spam one of That seems to be Thunderbird's default behavior. I never thought it to be wrong, would you care to tell me why it's so? Thanks, -- Javier Kohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: blashyrkh #2361802 Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't think it is wrong, just a little different. I don't see a big problem, only that some people do not like to have dual e-mails sent to them, one being the list by CC, the other being the reply by e-mail. So I just usually e-mail it to the list only, no need to clutter up their inbox. I guess it depends on the person, some people like to be notified, I just assume people who post something to a list are smart enough to look for replys to their answers on the list. Thats the same reason I do not CC people even if they request it in their post. I figure if they are smart enough to post to the list without being subscribed then they are smart enough to follow up with google, or Gmane, or their favorite News Reader. The exception might be a very new user who has no clue then I might oblige them, at least if you post to the list you leave the answer to their question for future people, if I CC them this information might be lost. Gnu-Raiz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
