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Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.

[Ron Johnson]

On 03/21/2011 11:31 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:53:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:


Been using 64-bit Sid for about 2 years.

64-bit Iceweasel 3.5.17 (in Sid) works great with Flash 10.2r152, but
v4.0 (b12 thru rc2 from Experimental, confirmed w/ Mozilla FF) has some
"inconsistencies" with Flash.  The 32 bit IW and FF 4.0 beta and rc
versions have no such problems.

Of course, they happen to be on (some) sites that I want to use...

So, when I reinstall Sid in the next few days (boot device is old and
spitting out SMART errors), I'm going to install 32-bits.  Once
stabilized with the nvidia drivers, I'll probably try a 64 bit kernel to
get a larger memory space for my processes (and to be cool).


Thanks.  This seems to be just the kind of intormation I need.  The
system will be running stable, or testing,


Then you probably won't have these problems.


   so the question becomes: will
these iceweasel vs flash problems impede iceweasel's transition to
testing.  My guess is that maybe it won't.

But it looks like 32-bit for normal use is my way to go; sticking 64-bit
as a dual-boot might help test when it's really ready.



Honestly, for my wife/kids' PC, I installed Ubuntu 10.04LTS with a 
few PPAs.  This way, they get stable libraries but keep current with 
important user apps like FF, vlc, etc.


Since I prefer booting into the CLI and use startx, I stick w/ Sid.


Is multiarch on the hirizon yet?



The Far Horizon... :(

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Re: 32 or 64 bits for the end user.

[Ron Johnson]

On 03/21/2011 10:35 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:

Yet again the 32 vs 64 bit question.

I have Debian systems at home running 32 bits, and my server has been
running happily in 64-bit mode fopr years.  Now I get to install debian
for an end-user on another AMD-64 machine.  64-bit mode is tempting, but:

Are there still significant end-user problems for 64-bit Debian?  The
machine has nvidia graphics on the motherboard (I believe).  My user is
likely to want to use flash, which has always been a problem in Linux,
but ... Is it still even more of a problem in 64-bit mode?

Any other likely end-user problems?



Been using 64-bit Sid for about 2 years.

64-bit Iceweasel 3.5.17 (in Sid) works great with Flash 10.2r152, 
but v4.0 (b12 thru rc2 from Experimental, confirmed w/ Mozilla FF) 
has some "inconsistencies" with Flash.  The 32 bit IW and FF 4.0 
beta and rc versions have no such problems.


Of course, they happen to be on (some) sites that I want to use...

So, when I reinstall Sid in the next few days (boot device is old 
and spitting out SMART errors), I'm going to install 32-bits.  Once 
stabilized with the nvidia drivers, I'll probably try a 64 bit 
kernel to get a larger memory space for my processes (and to be cool).


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=638029
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=616061
http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-6302

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Re: upgrade from x86 to amd64

[Ron Johnson]

On 03/07/2011 03:25 AM, Morty wrote:

What would it take to automate an upgrade of Debian x86 to amd64?

I know there is no currently-supported way to do this.  What would it
take to make one?

Advantages: shops with a mix of x86 and amd64 systems can have one
master x86 build image that can be automatically upgraded to amd64 as
needed.  Shops with existing x86 systems that want to upgrade to amd64
hardware can copy the existing install to new hardware, upgrade
in-place, and be done with it.  Shops with hardware at remote sites
can upgrade in-place.



KISS and keep your boxes where they are.  For any i386 box that 
really needs 64 bits, you can install a 64 bit *kernel* and some 64 
bit libraries.


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Re: Sound from a java applet running in iceweasel

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/07/2010 12:43 AM, Karl Schmidt wrote:
[snip]


Here is a java sound test - can anyone get this to work via
iceweasel/squeeze on amd64?



Where is the Java sound test?

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Re: ATI proprietary drivers installation failures

[Ron Johnson]

On 11/29/2010 04:06 AM, dage...@free.fr wrote:


- "brian m. carlson"  a écrit :



Is your installation i386 with a 64-bit kernel, or is it amd64?


Right. In fact ,it is i386 with 64-bit kernel.


What it sounds like to me is that you're using a 64-bit kernel on
i386,
which is supported by Debian (and in general, a good idea).  However,
in this case, the programs provided with the ATI drivers expect a
64-bit
userspace with a 64-bit kernel, and you cannot mix 32-bit and 64-bit
binaries in the same program.  And most libraries for i386 are not
available in 64-bit versions.


I see. I understand now why I was facing these problems. I feel a bit
shameful not having thinking about this before.



Your choices here are:

* use a 64-bit userland (amd64), 64-bit kernel, and the fglrx
drivers;
* use a 32-bit userland (i386), 32-bit kernel, and the fglrx drivers;
* wait for multi-arch to be implemented; or
* use the free drivers.


Thanks. I'm going to try an amd 64 installation.



Note that in the NVIDIA world there *is* a way to do this, so you 
might want to Google for something like:

Linux fglrx 64-bit kernel 32-bit userland

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Re: ADA Help

[Ron Johnson]

On 10/31/2010 01:22 PM, Jenei Gábor wrote:

Hello!

Could anyone help me?I'm just trying to make an ADA program,but the
excercise seems to be to store variant records in an Array.Is it
Possible?Actually the memebers of my record depend on the
discriminant(if discriminant is true then I have one more
member,otherwise only 3 members).Any idea to do this?I also have to
do this inside a package where I define functions and procedures in
connection with this.I have no idea,please help!



Smells like *homework*!

Anyway, this list is specifically for issues regarding Debian on 
AMD64 chips, and your question is obviously way OT.


So, go to comp.lang.ada and pray they also don't say "You're 
supposed to do your own homework..."


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Re: Lotus notes on amd64?

[Ron Johnson]

On 09/20/2010 10:49 AM, d...@nc.rr.com wrote:
[snip]


That said, I found this while looking for links to info on how to do
the above and decided to stop looking, and recommend a total boycott.
After years of experience.  your choice.

http://homepage.mac.com/bradster/iarchitect/lotus.htm



Notes 4.6, last updated 11 years ago.

If you're going to rag on something, try not to rag on something 
pre-millennial.


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Re: intel i3 processor

[Ron Johnson]

On 07/19/2010 09:44 AM, Siddharth Ravikumar wrote:

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen
  wrote:



If you want to use more than 3GB ram efficiently, or get the most out
of your system, use 64bit.  For a bit less hassles, use 32bit.


I am actually quiet happy with 32bit , but it looks like the future is
going to be 64bit. So if I build my comp this year , I will be using
it for the next 3 - 4 years or so . I am under a confusion whether to
go for 32bit or 64bit.



Note that the i386 arch has 64-bit kernels.  You get a larger 
per-process memory space and more efficient use of .GT. 4GB RAM.


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Re: Big problems with scientifc use of amd64

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/17/2010 10:39 AM, Francesco Pietra wrote:

Hello:
I am at amd64 lenny for scientific computation (i.e. no x-system) and
i386 squeeze for the desktop with graphics.

For lenny, yesterday I needed MPICH2 instead of openmpi already
installed. No deb package for lenny, only for squeeze. I compiled
MPICH2 for lenny.

However, the parallelized package that requires support from MPICH2
requests python2.6, which is unavailable in lenny. Installing that
from squeeze, even with apt-pinning is too risky for me, and I find
too difficult to compile python. There is no technical help in my
institution.

One can suggest: move to squeeze for scientific computation. Not a
solution: the packages for chemical computation are not updated
frequently, particularly non-commercial ones. Key packages for me do
not run on squeeze, only on stable.


Why not?  (I.e., what kind of errors?)


When such problems arise, I am tempted to inquire if there is another
distribution of linux that overcomes such problems. Is there one?



A mixture of really old and really new?

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Re: mpich2 for amd64

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/16/2010 11:25 AM, Francesco Pietra wrote:

hello:

In need of MPICH2 support I tried to install on amd64 lenny
mpich2_1.2.1.1-4_amd64.deb (maintainer Lucas Nussbaum)

dpkg -i mpich

encountered dependency errors;

dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mpich2:
  mpich2 depends on libmpich2-1.2 (= 1.2.1.1-4); however:
   Package libmpich2-1.2 is not installed.
  mpich2 depends on python-support (>= 0.90.0); however:
   Version of python-support on system is 0.8.4lenny1.


Have you filed a Grave bug report against mpich2 (or checked the BTS 
to see if anyone else has this problem and proposed a work-around)?


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Re: Disk errors?

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/14/2010 01:00 PM, brian m. carlson wrote:

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 01:23:07PM -0400, Christopher Judd wrote:

[snip]



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You probably don't want to put that on a public mailing list.  It looks
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Silly or not, he probably has to do it.

My company used to mandate such a disclaimer, but then we were 
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Re: Disk errors?

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/14/2010 12:23 PM, Christopher Judd wrote:

Hi,

This morning I did an aptitude full-upgrade this morning (squeeze
amd64).  I am now seeing this type of message (from dmesg):

Jun 14 13:11:40 gibbs kernel: [ 1074.152989] ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct
0x0 SErr 0x199 action 0xe frozen
Jun 14 13:11:40 gibbs kernel: [ 1074.152995] ata1: SError: { PHYRdyChg 10B8B
Dispar LinkSeq TrStaTrns }
Jun 14 13:11:40 gibbs kernel: [ 1074.153004] ata1: hard resetting link
Jun 14 13:11:40 gibbs kernel: [ 1074.153007] ata1: nv: skipping hardreset on
occupied port
Jun 14 13:11:44 gibbs kernel: [ 1078.520051] ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps
(SStatus 123 SControl 300)
Jun 14 13:11:44 gibbs kernel: [ 1078.540414] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
Jun 14 13:11:44 gibbs kernel: [ 1078.540419] ata1: EH complete


How can I tell if this a software issue, or some disk/hardware issue (I am
running kernel 2.6.32-3-amd64; 2.6.32-5 was installed with the upgrade, but
failed to boot)?



Boot from a rescue CD (I like Sidux) and fsck the disk?

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Re: Looking for hydra

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/09/2010 11:24 AM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote:

Hi all,

I am looking for the debian package of "hydra". I know, it is no more in the
repository due to license problematics.

Question: does someone have it maybe on his system? I am looking for both,
i386 and especially amd64 version.

Question: I found hydra in the snapshot packages, but it is version 4.1
I think, I remember, there was already version 4.3 or even 4.5 available. Are
they reallly, or am I erroring myself?

Thanks for any information.



Is *this* the hydra you're looking for?

http://freeworld.thc.org/thc-hydra/


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Re: Memory problems

[Ron Johnson]

On 06/02/2010 10:06 AM, Jonatan Soto wrote:

Hi list,

I'm facing a problem with lenny regarding to memory usage.

I have 4 VM lenny based on top of a VMWare ESXi. The system is running
for a few days and top command shows a very high amount of memory
consumption for each server. I have a little knowledge of how linux
(kernel 2.6) manages memory. A nice resource I found is this:
http://www.linuxhowtos.org/System/Linux%20Memory%20Management.htm

So, I understand that cached memory may be free if some application
requires it but I don't understand why lenny is consuming 2GB of
physical memory. It's worth to mention that all the systems are running
with only the standard package installed and few additional daemons for
each server.

I post what top command shows in order to provide better clues of what's
going on:


[snip]


Note that I've recently rebooted Server4 and it has lower memory
consumption rather than the others and it is running more daemons.
May be this issue is a misconfiguration of my servers or a memory leak?
Should I tweak something in order to improve memory management?

Any help would be much appreciated.

PD: Apache2 is installed using default configuration of the Apache2
official Debian release.



Kernel Sampage Merging (in 2.6.33) might help reduce memory consumption.

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Re: ia32-libs didn't install /usr/lib32/libGL.so ???

[Ron Johnson]

On 04/26/2010 02:22 PM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:

Ron Johnson  writes:


[snip]


No, I just always use the upstream drivers.  Can I partially install
the upstream 32-bit drivers?


Never used them directly.



I guess I'll have to bop on over to nvnews.net!

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Re: ia32-libs didn't install /usr/lib32/libGL.so ???

[Ron Johnson]

On 04/26/2010 03:31 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:

Ron Johnson  writes:


Hi,

Why doesn't /usr/lib32/libGL.so* exist on my system?

(This is a fresh Sid install.)

nvidia binary driver 195.36.15 installed from upstream.

$ apt-cache policy ia32-libs
ia32-libs:
   Installed: 20090808
   Candidate: 20090808
   Version table:
  *** 20090808 0
 500 http://mirrors.kernel.org sid/main Packages
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

$ dpkg -L ia32-libs | grep libGL.so.1
/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2
/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1

$ ls -aFl /usr/lib32/libGL.so*
ls: cannot access /usr/lib32/libGL.so*: No such file or directory

$ locate libGL.so
/usr/lib/libGL.so
/usr/lib/libGL.so.1
/usr/lib/libGL.so.195.36.15

TIA,
Ron


Because nvidia diverts it.


Ah.


   Did something go wrong with your
nvidia-glx-ia32?



No, I just always use the upstream drivers.  Can I partially install 
the upstream 32-bit drivers?


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Re: ia32-libs didn't install /usr/lib32/libGL.so ???

[Ron Johnson]

On 04/25/2010 12:12 PM, as wrote:

În data de Du, 25-04-2010 la 09:42 -0500, Ron Johnson a scris:

Hi,

Why doesn't /usr/lib32/libGL.so* exist on my system?


[snip]

$ dpkg -L ia32-libs | grep libGL.so.1
/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2
/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1

$ ls -aFl /usr/lib32/libGL.so*
ls: cannot access /usr/lib32/libGL.so*: No such file or directory

$ locate libGL.so
/usr/lib/libGL.so
/usr/lib/libGL.so.1
/usr/lib/libGL.so.195.36.15

[snip]


My sistem ls work good,you may try to change coreutils pachage ,my
system coreutils is 7.4-2(testing).



Why?

$ apt-cache policy coreutils
coreutils:
  Installed: 8.4-2
  Candidate: 8.4-2
  Version table:
 *** 8.4-2 0
500 http://mirrors.kernel.org sid/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status


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ia32-libs didn't install /usr/lib32/libGL.so ???

[Ron Johnson]

Hi,

Why doesn't /usr/lib32/libGL.so* exist on my system?

(This is a fresh Sid install.)

nvidia binary driver 195.36.15 installed from upstream.

$ apt-cache policy ia32-libs
ia32-libs:
  Installed: 20090808
  Candidate: 20090808
  Version table:
 *** 20090808 0
500 http://mirrors.kernel.org sid/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

$ dpkg -L ia32-libs | grep libGL.so.1
/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1.2
/usr/lib32/libGL.so.1

$ ls -aFl /usr/lib32/libGL.so*
ls: cannot access /usr/lib32/libGL.so*: No such file or directory

$ locate libGL.so
/usr/lib/libGL.so
/usr/lib/libGL.so.1
/usr/lib/libGL.so.195.36.15

TIA,
Ron

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Re: reading the end of file

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-23 01:45, Ekkard Gerlach wrote:

* Francesco Pietra schrieb:


Hi:

Is any command faster than

cat filename

to reach and print on screen the last page of the file?


what kind of "file"? 
  tail -n 10 filename

makes output of last 10 lines of a file. But if there are no
linefeeds/ carriage return in the files, the it makes no sense. 

  tac filename > filename_taced 


Hey, cool.  I never knew that...

turns around a file, the end becomes the beginning. 
  head -n 10 filename_taced | tac 


Why use an intermediary file instead of a pipe?

$ tac filename | head -n10

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Installing legacy nvidia drivers on 2.6

[Ron]

Hello,

I would like to use the 3d capabilities of my old TNT2 card, which in
theory is supported by

# export VERSION=-legacy-71xx
# m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source

Unfortunately, this command fails as can be seen below. It appears
that the nvidia bridge to the kernel should be updated so that it
works with newer kernels. I didn't try installing 2.6.18, because it
is not available as a Debian package in unstable. I know there are
ways to work around that, but I was not interested in doing that, and
also it would probably have some security issues.

Kernel version (from Debian package): Linux 2.6.30-1-amd64

I use a 64 bits user-land too. The errors start from about line 100,
but I included all output.

I am not a member of this list, so please CC me.

Best regards,
 Ron

/usr/bin/make  -f debian/rules clean
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx'
# select which makefile to use.
rm -f /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv/Makefile || true
if [ 6 = 6  ]; then \
 cd /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv ; \
 ln -s Makefile.kbuild Makefile ; \
 cd .. ; \
 if [ 0  = 1 ] ; then \
dpatch apply 04_minion ; \
 fi ; \
 if [ 0 = 1 ]; then \
dpatch apply 01_sysfs ; \
dpatch status 01_sysfs >patch-stamp ; \
dpatch apply 02_pcialias ; \
dpatch status 02_pcialias >>patch-stamp ; \
 fi ; \
fi
if [  6 = 4  ]; then \
 cd /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv ; \
 ln -s Makefile.nvidia Makefile ; \
 cd .. ; \
fi
if [ -e patch-stamp ]; then \
   dpatch deapply-all ; \
   rm -rf patch-stamp debian/patched ; \
fi
if [ -f /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/debian/control.template
]; then \
cp  
/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/debian/control.template
/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/debian/control; \
fi
dh_testroot
rm -f build-stamp configure-stamp
/usr/bin/make clean SYSSRC=/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-amd64/build -C
/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv -f Makefile
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv'
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv'
rm -f /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv/Makefile || true;   
rm /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv/gcc-check
rm /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv/cc-sanity-check
dh_clean
rm /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/debian/control
rm /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/debian/dirs
rm /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/debian/override
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx'
echo "ROOT_CMD = "
ROOT_CMD =
/usr/bin/make  -f debian/rules binary_modules
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx'
# select which makefile to use.
rm -f /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv/Makefile || true
if [ 6 = 6  ]; then \
 cd /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv ; \
 ln -s Makefile.kbuild Makefile ; \
 cd .. ; \
 if [ 0  = 1 ] ; then \
dpatch apply 04_minion ; \
 fi ; \
 if [ 0 = 1 ]; then \
dpatch apply 01_sysfs ; \
dpatch status 01_sysfs >patch-stamp ; \
dpatch apply 02_pcialias ; \
dpatch status 02_pcialias >>patch-stamp ; \
 fi ; \
fi
if [  6 = 4  ]; then \
 cd /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv ; \
 ln -s Makefile.nvidia Makefile ; \
 cd .. ; \
fi
#nothing here anymore
touch configure-stamp
if [ -f /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/debian/control.template
]; then \
cp  
/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/debian/control.template
/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/debian/control; \
fi
dh_testdir
dh_testroot
PATCHLEVEL = 6
Kernel compiler version : 4.3.3
Detected compiler version : 4.3.3
Using compiler gcc-4.3 version 4.3.3
touch /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv/gcc-check
touch /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv/cc-sanity-check
## Main Make ##
IGNORE_CC_MISMATCH=1 CC="gcc-4.3"  /usr/bin/make -C
/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv -f Makefile
SYSSRC=/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-amd64/build   KBUILD_PARAMS="-C
/lib/modules/2.6.30-1-amd64/build
SUBDIRS=/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv" module;
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv'
NVIDIA: calling KBUILD...
make CC=gcc-4.3 -C /lib/modules/2.6.30-1-amd64/build
SUBDIRS=/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx/nv modules
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-head

Re: -- SPAM -- Re: What is the matter with the "http://people.debian.org/~rafael/skype-amd64/"?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-07-21 02:59, James Brown wrote:

Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 06:20:04PM +0400, James Brown wrote:
  

It will be very interesting if anybody skilled in programming will
create an open sourse analogue programm like the skype.


There are plenty, like ekiga and such.  They have the advantage of using
open standards like SIP, h.323 and such, unlike skype which uses
a horrible p2p protocol that only skype understands.

Skype's only purpose is to get everybody locked in to their private
standard.  They are almsot as bad as microsoft that way.

  

I know about ekiga and such but they do not serve for all my aims.
I (and many people in my country - Russia, when existing terrible and
bloody dictatorship of tyrants Putin and Medvedev ) need to have an



And for how many years did western know-it-all Blue State 
"intelligentsia" whine and moan about W and Cheney and Gitmo, while 
having *no fscking clue* as to what a real dictatorship is???




encrypted telephony either for calling to VoiP-phones or to ordinary phones.
But in the last case ekiga and SIP are not useful and the sources of the
Putins secret political police such "SORM" can control all my outgoing
calles through ekiga and SIP.


Tunnel it thru SSL or SSH?  (Would require cooperation of person on 
other end with compatible h/w, of course, and the FSB might wonder 
why you send so much encrypted data.)


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Re: stupid question about shmmax, shmmni and shmall...

[Ron Peterson]

I bookmarked a fairly decent description of these parameters a while
back:

http://www.puschitz.com/TuningLinuxForOracle.shtml#SettingSharedMemory

Maybe you already know this, but you can also set these parameters in
/etc/sysctl.conf.  That way they persist between reboots, etc.

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2009-03-05_13:43:30-0500 Giacomo Mulas :
> Hello, I am trying to run a demanding quantum chemistry program on a cluster
> of multiprocessor machines.  Each machine has 2 dual-core opterons and 16Gb
> of RAM, and is running a 64 bit kernel (currently 2.6.26) and userspace
> (lenny) system.  Interprocess communications among processes on the same
> node go via shared memory (a lot of it), hence I need to set it to the
> maximum possible.
> 
> Can somebody tell me what are the maximum supported values for shmmax,
> shmmni and shmall (I know I can set them via /proc/sys/kernel pseudofiles)
> or (even better!) tell me how I can calculate them?  Is it likely that a
> too large value of shmmax or the other two can cause applications to
> segfault?
> 
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Re: raid1 issue, somewhat related to recent "debian on big machines"

[Ron Johnson]

On 03/03/2009 02:53 AM, Francesco Pietra wrote:

lupus in fabula as a follow up of my short intervention on raid1 with
my machine to the thread "Debian on big systems".

System: supermicro H8QC8 m.board, two WD Raptor SATA 150GB, Debian
amd64 lenny, raid1

While running an electronic molecular calculation - estimated to four
days time - I noticed by chance on the screen (what is not in the out
file of the calculation) that there was a disk problem. I took some
scattered notes from the scree:

RAID1 conf printout

wd: 1 rd:2

[snip]

What you are looking for should be in syslog, not your application's 
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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

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On 02/28/2009 02:50 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
[snip]


The only argument I see for FC is a switched sorage network. As soon
as you dedicate a storage box to one (or two) servers there is really
no point in FC. Just use a SAS box with SATA disks inside. It is a)
faster, b) simpler, c) works better and d) costs a fraction.


The Tier 1 vendors can be touchy about certifying SATA SANs in 
certain environments, especially 24x7 DCs.  That's why only our 
"tier 3" (there is not "tier 2"...) storage is SATA.


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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/28/2009 03:14 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:

Ron Johnson  writes:


On 02/27/2009 07:50 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 05:58:43PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

As would auto-replacement of bad drives by hot spares.

Usually the firmware of a raid card does that itself.  If a drive is
flagged hotspare, the raid card should automatically start the rebuild
if a drive fails.  You should never have to tell it to do that.  If you
had to tell it then it hardly qualifies as a hot spare.


I was referring to the fact that softraid couldn't do that.


Hot-spare devices work just fine (see below).

What doesn't exists afaik are global hot spares. E.g. 7 disks, two 3
disk raid5 and one spare disk for whatever raid fails first. You would
have to script that yourself.



Ah.  Bummer.

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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

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On 02/27/2009 02:25 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:49:29AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

I was referring to the fact that softraid couldn't do that.


Are you sure?


No...


   mdadm appears capable of managing spares automatically
when such are setup for the raid.



In mdadm.conf?  I'm really surprised (and pleased)!

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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

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On 02/27/2009 07:50 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 05:58:43PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

As would auto-replacement of bad drives by hot spares.


Usually the firmware of a raid card does that itself.  If a drive is
flagged hotspare, the raid card should automatically start the rebuild
if a drive fails.  You should never have to tell it to do that.  If you
had to tell it then it hardly qualifies as a hot spare.



I was referring to the fact that softraid couldn't do that.

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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

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On 02/26/2009 10:27 PM, Alex Samad wrote:

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 06:06:07PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 02/26/2009 05:54 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:36:20AM +1100, Alex Samad wrote:


[snip]


Perhaps.  I think some people make hard rules where in fact they would
get a much better result by thinking instead for each case.  Of course
thinking can be hard, and it is much easier to just follow a hard rule
so you don't get in trouble for making a decision.


Ehh.

Most DC managers have a bit more clue and good reasons than simply rules 
for rules' sake.


Mainly logistics: if all the center's disks are SAS (or whatever other 
standard you choose) in only one or two vendor's SANs (or whatever other 
cabinet you choose), it makes the Operation staff's job a whole lot 
easier, thus helping to ensure greater uptime.


for large site, server owners would ask for space and not for disks, it
would be upto to the storage guys to provide it and they like every one
else like to KISS and thus usually standardise.



Very true.  Also the server owners don't like to pay a lot, so 
there's negotiation and "needs clarification"...


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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

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On 02/26/2009 05:54 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:36:20AM +1100, Alex Samad wrote:

true, depends on whos rule of thumb you use. I have seen places where
mandate fc drives only in the data center - get very expensive when you
want lots of disk space.

Also the disk space might not be need for feeding across the network, db
aren't the only thing that chew through disk space.

the op did specific enterprise, I was think very large enterprise, the
sort of people who mandate scsi or sas only drives in their data centre


Perhaps.  I think some people make hard rules where in fact they would
get a much better result by thinking instead for each case.  Of course
thinking can be hard, and it is much easier to just follow a hard rule
so you don't get in trouble for making a decision.



Ehh.

Most DC managers have a bit more clue and good reasons than simply 
rules for rules' sake.


Mainly logistics: if all the center's disks are SAS (or whatever 
other standard you choose) in only one or two vendor's SANs (or 
whatever other cabinet you choose), it makes the Operation staff's 
job a whole lot easier, thus helping to ensure greater uptime.


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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/26/2009 05:49 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 07:51:29AM +1100, Alex Samad wrote:

my rule of thumb is to always have atleast 2 partitions on the first 2
drives (3 if I have them), for a raid1 /boot and a raid1 /. the rest of
the space is put into a raid device then into lvm.  That gets rid of the
interesting tweaks.


Even with software raid1, setting up reliable boot from either drive
if one fails can be interesting, but it has gotten a lot better than it
used to be.


is that monitoring of the raid drives or the actual drives underneath, I
like having smartctl to give me access to the actual drive health


Well monitoring of raid health would be minimum.  Getting more details
would be nice.



As would auto-replacement of bad drives by hot spares.

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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/26/2009 02:51 PM, Alex Samad wrote:
[snip]


I have gone through a few cycles of changing the underlying drive sizes,
ie a 3 disk raid5 made up of 3 x 500Gb and replacing in line with 3 x
TB.  pop 1 disk replace with 1 TB once it has settled you can do an
online expansion.  Not sure if you can do that on a HW raid.


You used to not be able to.  Not sure about modern controllers.

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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/26/2009 01:49 PM, Ron Peterson wrote:

2009-02-26_14:21:54-0500 "Douglas A. Tutty" :

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 08:53:45PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 02/25/2009 07:22 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]
/proc/megaraid/hba0/raiddrives-0-9 
Logical drive: 0:, state: optimal

Span depth:  1, RAID level:  1, Stripe size: 64, Row size:  2
Read Policy: Adaptive, Write Policy: Write thru, Cache Policy: Cached IO

Logical drive: 1:, state: optimal
Span depth:  0, RAID level:  0, Stripe size:128, Row size:  0
Read Policy: No read ahead, Write Policy: Write thru, Cache Policy: Cached 
IO

Why is Read Ahead disabled on Logical Drive 1?

My understanding is that "read ahead" in this case refers to the ability
of the raid card to read ahead from one disk while a read is taking
place on another disk.  This only makes sense in a redundant raid level.
LD1 is raid0, so there is no other disk from which to read ahead.


My understanding is that read ahead means the controller reads more data
into memory than you asked for, expecting that the next bits you ask for
will be immediately after the ones you just got.



That *is* the standard definition.  Though there's nothing stopping 
Megaraid from being weird.


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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

[Ron Peterson]

2009-02-26_14:21:54-0500 "Douglas A. Tutty" :
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 08:53:45PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 02/25/2009 07:22 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > [snip]
> > >
> > >/proc/megaraid/hba0/raiddrives-0-9 
> > >Logical drive: 0:, state: optimal
> > >Span depth:  1, RAID level:  1, Stripe size: 64, Row size:  2
> > >Read Policy: Adaptive, Write Policy: Write thru, Cache Policy: Cached IO
> > >
> > >Logical drive: 1:, state: optimal
> > >Span depth:  0, RAID level:  0, Stripe size:128, Row size:  0
> > >Read Policy: No read ahead, Write Policy: Write thru, Cache Policy: Cached 
> > >IO
> > 
> > Why is Read Ahead disabled on Logical Drive 1?
> 
> My understanding is that "read ahead" in this case refers to the ability
> of the raid card to read ahead from one disk while a read is taking
> place on another disk.  This only makes sense in a redundant raid level.
> LD1 is raid0, so there is no other disk from which to read ahead.

My understanding is that read ahead means the controller reads more data
into memory than you asked for, expecting that the next bits you ask for
will be immediately after the ones you just got.

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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/25/2009 07:22 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
[snip]


/proc/megaraid/hba0/raiddrives-0-9 
Logical drive: 0:, state: optimal

Span depth:  1, RAID level:  1, Stripe size: 64, Row size:  2
Read Policy: Adaptive, Write Policy: Write thru, Cache Policy: Cached IO

Logical drive: 1:, state: optimal
Span depth:  0, RAID level:  0, Stripe size:128, Row size:  0
Read Policy: No read ahead, Write Policy: Write thru, Cache Policy: Cached IO


Why is Read Ahead disabled on Logical Drive 1?

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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/25/2009 04:37 PM, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 04:48:30PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 02:55:09PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

Who boots off of (or puts / on) a 2TB partition?

Someone with a 4 drive raid5 on a hardware controller with 750GB SATA
drives.  Hence the only drive in the system is a 2.25TB device with
partitions and everything on it.  The root partition isn't very big,
but it's on a drive that is bigger than 2TB and hence needs something
other than a DOS partition table.


Why wouldn't you configure the raid controller to give you a small
logical drive (with whatever raid config you want) for the OS, and the
larger logical drive for your data (or for LVM for everything except /)?


I think it's because "disk" itself (which is what the boot loader 
sees) is .gt. 2TB.



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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

[Ron Johnson]

On 02/25/2009 04:26 PM, Ian McDonald wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 02/25/2009 03:48 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 02:55:09PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

Who boots off of (or puts / on) a 2TB partition?


Someone with a 4 drive raid5 on a hardware controller with 750GB SATA
drives.  Hence the only drive in the system is a 2.25TB device with
partitions and everything on it.  The root partition isn't very big,
but it's on a drive that is bigger than 2TB and hence needs something
other than a DOS partition table.



Ah.  The minicomputer tradition I come from (and thus how I organized 
my home PC) is to have a relatively small OS/swap disk and a separate 
"data" array.


Of course, max device size always gets bigger, and smaller devices 
fall off the market...



It doesn't take much with modern SATA drives to hit 2TB.  Given we can
get 1.5TB in a single drive, how many months before we can get 2TB in
a single disk.



Later this year.



Last month actually..

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/01/27/review_internal_hard_drive_wd_caviar_green_2tb/ 


And at only a 15% premium to two 1TB drives...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136337
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136344

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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

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On 02/25/2009 03:48 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 02:55:09PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

Who boots off of (or puts / on) a 2TB partition?


Someone with a 4 drive raid5 on a hardware controller with 750GB SATA
drives.  Hence the only drive in the system is a 2.25TB device with
partitions and everything on it.  The root partition isn't very big,
but it's on a drive that is bigger than 2TB and hence needs something
other than a DOS partition table.



Ah.  The minicomputer tradition I come from (and thus how I 
organized my home PC) is to have a relatively small OS/swap disk and 
a separate "data" array.


Of course, max device size always gets bigger, and smaller devices 
fall off the market...



It doesn't take much with modern SATA drives to hit 2TB.  Given we can
get 1.5TB in a single drive, how many months before we can get 2TB in
a single disk.



Later this year.

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Re: "big" machines running Debian?

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On 02/25/2009 09:14 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
[snip]


Well at 2TB you have to switch from DOS style partition tables to GPT,
which requires the use of grub2 rather than lilo or grub, but works
fine otherwise.



Who boots off of (or puts / on) a 2TB partition?

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Re: Adobe Flashplayer10 with Opera

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On 02/19/2009 06:28 AM, A J Stiles wrote:
[snip]


Installing Caged software system-wide is *never* a good idea.  If you have to 


Caged?

I've never heard that term used for software.  What does it mean? 
Closed-source?


[snip]


It would be far better to contribute to one of the efforts to create a Free 
replacement for Flash player.




And if one is not a C programmer who has the large amount of time to 
spend grokking gnash and the Flash spec?


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Re: reinstalling X.Org server

[Ron Johnson]

On 01/30/2009 05:01 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote:

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 04:29:24PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 01/30/2009 04:18 PM, Francesco Pietra wrote:

Is it possible to reinstall X.Org server on a multisocket dual-opteron
computer running amd64 lenny?

Why? Failure of a DIMM bank did no more allow to launch amd64. Removed
the faulty slots, amd64 could be launched and the system seemed to be
in order. Filled the empty bank with fresh DDR1 ECC, the total memory
increased correspondingly. Again, it was now possible to carry out
sophisticated chemical calculations.


[snip]


Backtrace:
0: X(xf86SigHandler+0x6a) [0x48dd0a]
1: /lib/libc.so.6 [0x2b1686b4ef60]

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11. Server aborting
==

I'd reinstall the whole system.


For an ati fglrx driver module missing?

Seems like overkill.

The ATI driver loves to crash/segfault if anything displeases it (like
running 8bit colour mode, which some versions default to).


If the problem is just an unloaded module, that's one thing.  But 
one corrupted file is an indication that other files could be 
corrupted, too.


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Re: reinstalling X.Org server

[Ron Johnson]

On 01/30/2009 04:18 PM, Francesco Pietra wrote:

Is it possible to reinstall X.Org server on a multisocket dual-opteron
computer running amd64 lenny?

Why? Failure of a DIMM bank did no more allow to launch amd64. Removed
the faulty slots, amd64 could be launched and the system seemed to be
in order. Filled the empty bank with fresh DDR1 ECC, the total memory
increased correspondingly. Again, it was now possible to carry out
sophisticated chemical calculations.

However, needing now to check 3D molecular structures, I found that
"startx" does not launch X anymore, X only appearing as a flash at the
bottom of the screen.  I checked many X-related files against a i386
lenny, ssh linked, computer (in particular /etc/X11/xorg.conf), don't
detecting damaged lines. I did not carry out a checksum. Command:

tail --lines 200 /var/log/Xorg.0.log|grep EE

was not much informative, as shows below between === lines.

I suspect that one or more X-related files were damaged as a
consequence of the RAM problems above.

Thanks
francesco pietra.


(II) MACH64(0): Not using default mode "1920x1440" (insufficient
memory for mode)
(II) MACH64(0): Not using default mode "960x720" (bad mode

[snip]

drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed

Backtrace:
0: X(xf86SigHandler+0x6a) [0x48dd0a]
1: /lib/libc.so.6 [0x2b1686b4ef60]

Fatal server error:
Caught signal 11. Server aborting
==


I'd reinstall the whole system.

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Re: unable to install lenny using CD1 (26-Jan-2009)

[Ron Johnson]

On 01/29/2009 06:41 AM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
[snip]


no need too, many had been in your position. In fact I did too. Simply
change to IDE cdrom drive or use all hard disk and optical drives using
SATA.


That is often not a practical solution.

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Re: Equivalence to apt-get install -f

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On 01/27/2009 02:56 AM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

2009/1/27 Ron Johnson 


On 01/27/2009 01:04 AM, Pierre Meurisse wrote:


On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 09:11:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:


On 01/26/2009 08:59 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:


For aptitude, is there an equivalence to
# apt-get install -f


What is it that you need to force?

 -f means --fix-broken



That's what I meant... :D  (Force a broken install to go thru.)


well, last time i tried aptitude install -f did not work to solve deluge


So, aptitude *does* have a "fix".


dependencies (the package from its website) but apt-get install -f does.


aptitude and apt-get are not the same.  Thus, one may succeed where 
the other fails.



Hence question asked.


Since you know that aptitude has a "-f", you asked the wrong 
question.  The correct question should have been:


  Why does 'apt-get -f' work, but 'aptitude -f' does not?

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Re: Equivalence to apt-get install -f

[Ron Johnson]

On 01/27/2009 01:04 AM, Pierre Meurisse wrote:

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 09:11:06PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 01/26/2009 08:59 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

For aptitude, is there an equivalence to
# apt-get install -f

What is it that you need to force?


-f means --fix-broken



That's what I meant... :D  (Force a broken install to go thru.)

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Re: boot-time script

[Ron Johnson]

On 01/26/2009 10:05 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

2009/1/27 Ron Johnson 

[snip]



Do you really want it to start up when you log in?


Yes, my little sister alwas forgot to start deluge when using my PC (I'm
always not at home during weekdays)



Somewhere in your DE's configuration screens is a way place to add 
startup scripts.  That's where I put Iceweasel, for example.


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Re: boot-time script

[Ron Johnson]

Please don't cross-post.

On 01/26/2009 09:26 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

I tried making boot-time script for deluge like below

#!/bin/bash
/usr/bin/deluge

Then I ran update-rc.d to the deluge script hat I saved in /etc/init.d
# update-rc.d deluge defaults

But when I rebooted my PC, it didn't start. Please tell me where I got 
it wrong?


It's a *GUI* *client*, not a daemon.

Do you really want it to start up when you log in?

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Re: Equivalence to apt-get install -f

[Ron Johnson]

On 01/26/2009 08:59 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

For aptitude, is there an equivalence to
# apt-get install -f


What is it that you need to force?

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Re: Ticketing system

[Ron Johnson]

On 01/23/2009 09:30 PM, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:
Recommend me a nice, easy to use free and open source software for 
support ticketing system on linux adn please tell me why do you like it :)


What kind of tickets?  Speeding tickets?

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Re: dfm stable to unstable

[Ron Johnson]

On 01/23/2009 07:58 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote:

Greetings,

I wanna try dfm but it's only available in stable and i'm running
amd64 unstable. Is there any way around it? I'd install from source
but then i'd have extra stuff on my system that APT wouldn't remove.


http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/dfm

You could download the deb-src and build/install it with the 
relevant deb tools.


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Re: recommended motherboards for build?

[Ron Johnson]

On 01/13/09 18:00, Umarzuki Mochlis wrote:

if you're just going for surfing and word precessing, just get a
Athlon X2 4800 with a 'just enough' motherboard for less than 150 USD.


Heck, get a dual-core Atom 330 with a lot of RAM and a 
passively-cooled video card.


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Re: Where is the kernel?

[Ron Johnson]

On 01/06/09 17:14, Robert Isaac wrote:
[snip]


Unfortunately, I can't afford to be without a 3D desktop so that is
not an option for me.


I'm sure you have a valid reason, but it does seem rather odd that 
you can't live without what many consider as eye candy.


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Re: Where is the kernel?

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On 01/05/09 19:52, Mark Allums wrote:

Robert Isaac wrote:

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Lennart Sorensen
 wrote:

On Mon, Jan 05, 2009 at 03:06:18PM -0600, Mark Allums wrote:
Exactly.  That's why 2.6.27 should be more mainstream.  To reiterate 
the

 thoughts of millions of right-thinking people, 2.6.27 should be the
"official" Lenny kernel.  Or at least be packaged alongside 2.6.26 in
the final distribution as an alternative.

Well I certainly wouldn't object to 2.6.27 being the Lenny kernel, but I
have no say in that matter.


That would break all three nvidia drivers currently within non-free,
so it is not necessarily a good idea for the people that rely on those
for a desktop.


The  you say!  Is this why I can't get X going under vanilla 2.6.28? 
 Any word on the ETA of the fixing of the breakage?


What's the deal, anyway?  The nVidia blob installer tries to make like 
it can't find the kernel headers, nor the compiled output.


What version?

(I just built a kernel from linux-source-2.6.28, but haven't booted 
it yet.  Still on 2.6.27 snap 12516.  Using binary 177.82, kernel 64 
bit with 32 bit userland.  Works like a charm...)


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Re: Where is the kernel?

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On 01/05/09 09:27, Lennart Sorensen wrote:


[snip] experimental [snip] and 2.6.28 is there now.


Yay!  Thanks, Kernel Team.

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Re: How to tell when a hardware RAID disk goes bad?

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/25/08 15:38, Karl Schmidt wrote:
[snip]
I don't see much value in raid other than raid-1 (mirror) anymore with 
the huge, cheap drives available. There are times with RAID-0 (striping) 


If your main focus is capacity, then you are correct.  But 
distributing the data across multiple drives gives you better 
throughput, which is important for databases, file servers and big 
web sites.


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Re: flashplayer on debian-amd64 (sid)

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/15/08 02:43, Dan Hugo wrote:
I see iceweasel crash most predictably when signing in to GMail, but it 
also crashes at the most inopportune times due most likely to flash ads.


I have to admit, I haven't drilled down much further than that due to 
busy factor, so I disable flash if I check my GMail and I've been making 
the most of the Session Manager in iceweasel [and of course, same 
behavior in gecko Epiphany].


The Flashblock add-on should solve/mask that problem.  (It may be 
why I see so few Flash-related crashes.)


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Re: core i7

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/14/08 13:34, Frank Lanitz wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:28:01 +0600
"Alexey Salmin"  wrote:


Hello! I'm going to buy a new Core i7 + X58 desktop machine. Is there
any expirience of installing debian on it? Googling didn't help me a
lot.


What is your question about in detail? It's just another x86_64 (IIRC)
CPU in some kind. So I would see any big problem in general. In some
details, maybe. But here you have to ask a more detailed question I
guess.


Exactly.  It's more the chipset, on-board NIC, sound, etc that cause 
difficulties on bleeding-edge mobos.


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Re: sources.list: experimental

[Ron Johnson]

On 12/02/08 11:39, Sandro Tosi wrote:

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 18:35, Hans-J. Ullrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

adding an experimental source to the sources list (just to install a special
application from this), will an "aptitude upgrade" or "apt-get upgrade"
overwrite ALL installed packages ?


No, you need to explicitly request to install packages from
experimental using "-t experimental" option.


To follow up on that, note how experimental is down at priority 1:

$ apt-cache policy
Package files:
 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 release a=now
 500 http://tovid.sourceforge.net unstable/contrib Packages
 origin tovid.sourceforge.net
   1 http://ftp.debian.org ../project/experimental/non-free Packages
 release o=Debian,a=experimental,l=Debian,c=non-free
 origin ftp.debian.org
   1 http://ftp.debian.org ../project/experimental/contrib Packages
 release o=Debian,a=experimental,l=Debian,c=contrib
 origin ftp.debian.org
   1 http://ftp.debian.org ../project/experimental/main Packages
 release o=Debian,a=experimental,l=Debian,c=main
 origin ftp.debian.org
 500 http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable/main Packages
 release v=None,o=Unofficial Multimedia 
Packages,a=unstable,l=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,c=main

 origin www.debian-multimedia.org
 500 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/non-free Packages
 release o=Debian,a=unstable,l=Debian,c=non-free
 origin mirrors.kernel.org
 500 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/contrib Packages
 release o=Debian,a=unstable,l=Debian,c=contrib
 origin mirrors.kernel.org
 500 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/main Packages
 release o=Debian,a=unstable,l=Debian,c=main
 origin mirrors.kernel.org
Pinned packages:

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Re: ia32 userland and XFS

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On 12/02/08 03:52, Christoph Hellwig wrote:

On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 08:33:50PM +1100, An?bal Monsalve Salazar wrote:

On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 07:37:16PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:

According to this (seemingly 2+ year old) web page, the XFS file system
chokes on the combination of 32 bit userland and 64 bit kernel.

Is this still true, and why should a low-level driver hidden under a
virtual fs care what user apps access it via the vfs?


XFS as in the plain posix filesystem works perfectly fine with a 64 bit
kernel and 32 bit userspace.

But various advance capabilities or administration interfaces which are
used by tools from xfsprogs are implemented as ioctls, and unfortunately
most of them have been designed very badly and aren't wordsize clean.


Thanks, that's kinda what I figured.


There have been handlers for a few of them for a while, but only as of
today a full set of compat handlers has been commited.  That code will be
release with 2.6.29, but could also be backported.


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ia32 userland and XFS

[Ron Johnson]

Hi,

https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292806

According to this (seemingly 2+ year old) web page, the XFS file 
system chokes on the combination of 32 bit userland and 64 bit kernel.


Is this still true, and why should a low-level driver hidden under a 
 virtual fs care what user apps access it via the vfs?


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Re: Server REALLY slow after console messages

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Simon wrote:
> Hi There,
> 
> Can anyone have a look at this screenshot and give me a glimmer of
> what is going on here?
> 
> This server is responding to pings, but all services are 'stuck', i
> can login, but it times out after 60 seconds and typing is REALLY
> slow...
> 
> http://gremin.orcon.net.nz/mx.JPG
> 
> Thanks for any input

Have you run top(1) to see what's sucking up all the CPU or core?

Rebooting may be the only solution if it is s slow that nothing
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taskset on amd64

[Ron Owens]

I am trying to get a process to run on the second CPU. 



I do :



taskset -p  0x0002 2170



but it returns:



pid 2170's current affinity mask: 3

pid 2170's new affinity mask: 3



i.e. it doesn't change its affinity... 



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Re: 64 bit->48 bit pointer hacks...

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:49:13 -0400
"Dale E. Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > The current generation AMD64 MMUs can only handle 64-bit
> > pointers in which the high-order 17 bits are all the same (40
> > bits of information).
> 
> I was mulling this over the other day...  Say I've got a string
> class that looks like this:
> 
> class string {
>   class shortString {
> char flag;
> char [7] smallString;
>   };
> 
>   class {
> union {
>   char *ptr;
>   shortString;
> } shortStringOrPtr;
>   } data;
> };
> 
> Is there some magic value I can write into "flag", that in
> combination with the understanding of how 64 bit pointers get
> truncated down to 48 bit virtual addresses that will allow me to

I'm channelling 1984...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_memory_management#32-bit_clean

It's a clever, *bad* idea.

> store either a 7 byte string or a char * in the same space?

A 7 byte string takes up 64 bits.


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Re: Migrate running IA32 system to Debian AMD 64?

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On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 23:14 -0400, Christopher Browne wrote:
> On 9/20/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> there is still an Apache instance running a bunch of little CGI apps
> that haven't been successfully run anywhere else :-(.  Planning and
> intent took place, but it turned out to be just too painful to migrate
> everything off the box.

They are either monitoring some ancient bit of undocumented h/w, 
or are scarily written Perl 4, or both.

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Re: Problems with md-crypt

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On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 14:13 +0200, Thomas Wuensche wrote:
> My problem with md-crypt is fixed. It turned out that -
> for whatever reason - my encrypted filesystems were
> mounted with flags noexec,nosuid,nodev despite the
> fact that I explicitly specified flag exec in mtab

mtab or fstab?

> and despite the fact that I also tried flag defaults,
> which does permit exec on the other filesystems I
> use it for.
> 
> The reason for this behaviour is not yet clear to
> me, but after remounting with exec manually the
> scripts that broke before are executable.

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Re: Marillat's repository is down

[Ron Johnson]

On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 11:19 +0200, Yannick - Debian/Linux wrote:
> lordSauron a écrit :
> 
> >the only problem is that is that some of us are stuck with
> >insufferable nincompoops for ISPs, like comcast  and
> >can't get anything decent for hosting ANYTHING (yes, you just touched
> >one of my personal sore spots... I would be a great web developer if I
> >only could host)
> >
> >I agree we should all be servers, but how would you like it if you
> >were stuck with me and my infuriating 3kbs "broadband" upload speed?
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> We all do with we have... Anyway if you want mplayer from marillat you 
> can get them now with amule : i'm releasing them so even with small line 
> you'll get them in few minuts. You can't give back ? You are in other 
> ways like using this mailling-list.

ftp.nerim.net is back up.

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Re: Dupal Opteron on Sarge

[Ron Johnson]

On Sun, 2005-09-18 at 13:18 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2005 at 06:49:55PM -0700, lordSauron wrote:
> > pentium 4s use a 21 stage pipeline or something like that... so they
> > take approximately 21 clock cycles to get anything done.  AMD uses
> > about 7 stages (or something in that neighbourhood) so if you divide
> > 2.8 by 21 and 2.0 (my Athlon64) by 7, you get a really interesting
> > breakdown.  You'll certainly find a HUGE increase in performance,
> 
> That's a terrible simplification. Yes, it takes longer to get the first

Not only is it a simplification, it's wrong.

> result (21 cycles versus 7) but the idea of the pipeline is that you can
> get a result every clock cycle after that.

But when you context-switch or branch, the pipeline gets dirty,
and the new process needs to fill up the pipeline.

Short pipelines like in Athlon & G4 are easier on branching,
but other techniques like speculative fetching and OOE mitigate
that somewhat.

And then, deep pipelines let you ramp up the clock much easier
than do short pipelines.  Don't know why, though.

>  The latency is higher but the
> throughput is also higher (more clock cycles per second).

I've always wondered if a simple single-tasking OS like extended 
DOS would be a perfect match for the P4.

With loop-unrolling and a 2MB cache, it would chew thru CPU-inten-
sive code like a buzz saw thru balsa.

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Re: Are these emails getting posted?

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2005-09-17 at 17:08 -0400, Steve Dondley wrote:
> I am not receiving copies of e-mail I am sending to this list as I
> should.  Or maybe I'm not supposed to?  Can someone please let me know
> if they get this?  Thanks.  Sorry for the hassle.

Yes, all 3 emails arrived.

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[Fwd: Debian Project adds Security Support for AMD64]

[Ron Johnson]

 Forwarded Message 
> From: Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Debian News Channel 
> Subject: Debian Project adds Security Support for AMD64
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:16:48 +0200
> 
> 
> The Debian Projecthttp://www.debian.org/
> Debian adds Security Support for AMD64  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> August 11th, 2005   http://www.debian.org/News/2005/20050811
> 
> 
> Debian Project adds Security Support for AMD64
> 
> The Debian project adds security support for the stable amd64
> distribution.  This port is not yet part of the Debian archive, but it
> will be included in unstable/testing soon and users already benefit
> from security updates distributed via security.debian.org.
> 
> A special advisory will be released soon by the security team to cover
> newly built amd64 packages for all security updates since the release
> of sarge.  These packages will replace already existing files in the
> proposed-updates directory in the amd64 archive.
> 
> Because the project has released version 3.1 (codename: sarge) of its
> distribution without the amd64 port due to technical reasons, the
> porters have released their packages on a different server with only
> minimal differences to the Debian 3.1 archive.  This port will be
> included in the unstable and testing distribution soon.
> 
> As a first step to adding full support for the amd64 port the
> ftpmasters have added this architecture to security.debian.org and
> connected a new build daemon to the archive.  Future security
> advisories will therefore list 12 architectures for the sarge release
> and users of this port will be able to use the regular source for
> security updates as well.
> 
> 
> Future Plans for full AMD64 Support
> 
> Several issues have to be resolved before the amd64 port can be fully
> included.  Most importantly the ftpmaster service needs to be moved to
> its final destination, as its former hosting offer has been terminated
> and it is now hosted in a temporary location.  A detailed list of
> things to do follows:
> 
>  1. Add security support
>  2. Move ftpmaster to its final location
>  3. Implement the archive split
>  4. Add amd64 architecture
>  5. Rebuild the archive with regards to amd64
>  6. Eventually have full support for amd64
> 
> 
> Resources for the AMD64 Port
> 
> Security Updates
>   deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main
> 
> CD and DVD Images
>   http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/
> 
> AMD64 Packages
>   deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian main
> 
> AMD64 Mirror List
>   http://amd64.debian.net/README.mirrors.html
> 
> Differences to Debian 3.1
>   http://amd64.debian.net/docs/package_changes.txt
> 
> 
> About Debian
> 
> The Debian project is an organisation of many developers who volunteer
> their time and effort, collaborating via the Internet.  Their tasks
> include maintaining and updating Debian GNU/Linux which is a free
> distribution of the GNU/Linux operating system.  Debian's dedication
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> model makes it unique among GNU/Linux distributions.
> 
> 
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Re: comments about hardware

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 12:01 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 01:36:55AM -0400, Faheem Mitha wrote:
[snip]
> single dual core.  Of course they also require a dual socket board
> rather than a single socket board, and you could put two dual core

Unless I am misunderstanding you, I think that is wrong.  Since they
use Socket 940, they are a drop-in replacement for "regular" chips.
All that might be necessary is a BIOS upgrade (and kernel 2.6.12).

http://www.sudhian.com/showdocs.cfm?aid=672&pid=2568
One of the most-talked-about features of AMD’s dual core product
line has been its drop-in compatibility with existing Socket 
939 / 940 motherboards.  Now that products are actually launch-
ing, AMD has reiterated that motherboards based on Socket 939 
and 940 should be able to handle a dual core replacement once 
the BIOS is flashed to recognize the new processor. 

[snip]

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Re: wine for amd64?

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 19:54 +0200, Alexander Fieroch wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> wine is still not available for debian amd64. Does anybody know why? 
> Isn't it possible to compile on amd64 and will there be a version in 
> future for amd64 (like openoffice)?

*Can* it even be built on x86_64?  After all, it's so tied to 
32 bit Windows.

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Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 16:21 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 04:13:36PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 07:02:01AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > > You can't. The latest version checks the kernel version in preinst.
> > > Did you have 0.062-4?
> > 
> > Does that work? apt-get upgrade just installed 0.062-4 on my 2.6.8-11
> > system without complaint.
> 
> Hmm. The preinst only complains if you had < 0.060 before.
> I upgraded to that earlier in July but never rebooted;
> now I have 0.062. I guess this is bad, so I'll try to avoid
> rebooting.

I don't remember it squawking when I recently upgraded my 2.6.10
system from 0.058 to 0.062.

Thankfully, my box is plugged into a UPS.

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Re: New 32bit packages for amd64

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 20:40 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 18:22 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> >> Hi,
> > [snip]
> >
> > 37.5 cent packages?  ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > (Or is that solely an Americanism?) 
> 
> I don't get that. Must be an Americanism.

This hearkens back to when Spanish gold coins were common currency
in the colonies.  Their value was based on the gold, and
not the good faith and credit of Spain, and they were easily split
into 8 equal parts.  Each "bit" was thus == 1/8th of a "dollar".

"2 bits" is still[0] in slang use to mean a quarter dollar, and
also a slur to mean anything cheap.  A "2 bit pair of shoes", for
example.

Thus, 3 bits == 37.5 cents.  And in this case, it was just humor.

[0] But fading fast, since not much is worth a quarter anymore.

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Re: New 3bit packages for amd64

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-07-14 at 18:22 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Hi,
[snip]

37.5 cent packages?  ;)



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Re: konqueror on chroot

[Ron Farrer]

On Tue, July 12, 2005 6:45, Marcin Dêbicki said:
>
> KDE creates all files in user's directory and /tmp. I haven't found any
> interesting things in /var

You probably need /var/tmp (specifically: /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER) to be
bind mounted in the chroot (I'm lazy so I just mounted all of /var/tmp).
To verify you can chroot/dchroot and look in /tmp/kde-$USER and look for
broken symlinks (looking real quick on my system I see at least one
symlink /tmp/kde-rbf/ /var/tmp/kdecache-rbf/).

HTH,
Ron


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Re: Using 4GB with amd64 - problems with NVidia graphics kernel driver

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2005-07-09 at 17:53 +0200, Dr.techn. Alexander K. Seewald wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've recently installed the debian amd64 distribution on an MSI K8N
> Platinum board with 4GB memory. Installation was no problem, once I found
> the correct installer. I've also compiled the nvidia-kernel module
> (1.0.7174-3) NVidia module for a 6600GT graphics card, and it works well.
> I'm about to test video playback, so I should be able to say how
> fast it is soon.
> 
> I'm using my own compiled 2.6.11 kernel (based on the kernel sources
> from the unofficial apt servers, with patches for sk98lin
> (downloaded from their homepage, non-open source - the internal
> sk98lin driver does not support the Marvell Yukon3 which is
> on-board))
> 
> During install I've not set memory hole remapping in the BIOS, and therefore
> less than 4GB are recognized by the system.
> This is of course becoming an issue now, so I've tested both
> settings which are available: Continuous and Discrete. Both lead to
> a Kernel oops in XFree86, which may be depending on the NVidia
> model. See attached log excerpt. Is this a known problem? Is there a
> workaround, or might the newer NVidia drivers / a newer kernel solve
> this problem?

Does it work fine with the nv driver?

[snip]
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Re: multiarch/bi-arch status (ETA) question

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 03:27 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 13:36 -0400, David Wood wrote:
> >> On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Adam Stiles wrote:
[snip]
> >> 
> >> 2) We believe that C/C++ is usually magically portable across hardware 
> >> architectures.
> >
> > Well, you did say usually...
> >
> > Perfect example of non-portable C/C++ code: OOo.
> 
> OOo is C, C++, asm, java, python, perl, ... and many more.

Java *and* assembly.  That's amusing, in a sick, sad, perverted
manner.

> > It's not in the debian-openoffice archives yet, but the latest
> > message from this thread says that OOo2 might not ship 64-bit
> > native.
> 
> During the LinuxTag several people told me that tries on 64bit
> just resulted in crashes, e.g. when opening any file.

If only OOo had been written in Python & PyGTK... ;)

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Re: multiarch/bi-arch status (ETA) question

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2005-07-05 at 13:36 -0400, David Wood wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Jul 2005, Adam Stiles wrote:
> 
> > Binary compatibility is irrelevant at best  {every Linux machine already 
> > has a
> > compiler installed}  and harmful at worst  {Windows has wide-scale binary
> > compatibility -- and rampant malware}.  All that matters is _source_
> > compatibility:  that the same source code will compile cleanly on a range of
> > different architectures.  Thanks to the excellent work done by the GNU
> > project in developing their compiler suite and automated configuration /
> > building tools, source compatibility is already a reality.  And processors
> > are fast enough now that there is no time saved in using precompiled
> > binaries.
> 
> I've heard this argument before. Maybe I misunderstand, but it seems to 
> amount to:
> 
> 1) We don't care about anything that's not free software. (This is already 
> too much for most people, but let's say that's no problem...)
> 
> 2) We believe that C/C++ is usually magically portable across hardware 
> architectures.

Well, you did say usually...

Perfect example of non-portable C/C++ code: OOo.

It's not in the debian-openoffice archives yet, but the latest
message from this thread says that OOo2 might not ship 64-bit
native.
http://lists.debian.org/debian-openoffice/2005/07/msg00016.html
http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=15935

The King of the 3rd Gen languages from a portability standpoint is,
of course, COBOL.  30 year old code (even CICS stuff) will compile/run
directly on Linux with nary a change.

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Re: Can we expect a w64codec package?

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2005-07-04 at 16:13 -0400, Adam Skutt wrote:
> Thomas Steffen wrote:
> > I think it should be possible to include the 32bit codecs in a 64bit
> > process using some "linking glue".
> Not really.  Having different pointer-widths in the same code is
> extremely difficult to do.

Back in the mid-90s, how did MSFT do the win32s "thunking" on
win16 boxes?

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[OT] Good software for burning DVD (was Re: SCSI-emulation)

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-06-23 at 13:54 +, Jean-Luc Coulon (f5ibh) wrote:
> Le 23.06.2005 15:25:48, Mart Frauenlob a écrit :
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Attila Kocsis wrote:
[snip]
> 
> I've left xcdroast because I bought a DVD burner and xcdroast uses  
> cdrecord to burn cd and dvd and there is the problem with the cdrecord  
> licence and dvd. Other GUI uses growisofs for DVD

What s/w do you use now?

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Re: random system hang

[Ron Farrer]

I also forgot to mention that xscreensaver seems better behaved. The
OpenGL screensavers no longer "bleed" onto the screen in preview mode
(from KDE) and most of them seem to work when quickly scrolling through
them.

Ron

On Tue, June 21, 2005 17:23, Ron Farrer said:
> Based on some off-list discussion I decided to try recompiling the nvidia
> kernel driver with gcc 3.4.4 (instead of 3.3.6) and give a kernel boot
> option of "acpi=off". The results so far show much better stability in X
> and the kernel no longer complains about loosing ticks. I'll keep an eye
> on it but ut2004 (amd64 binary) no longer randomly crashes - something I
> did not notice before because I didn't play the game long enough on this
> machine (hence why I stated it was fine in a previous post). However, it
> hasn't been that long (day and a half) and only time will tell if either
> change fixed anything...


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Re: random system hang

[Ron Farrer]

On Tue, June 21, 2005 2:40, Thomas Steffen said:
>
> It might just be the X server going crazy. Since it runs as root, it
> can take the whole system down if it crashes. You may try to compile
> "Magic keys" into the kernel, so that you can kill the server using
> the keyboard.

That's good advice. Although with only one exception I have been able to
ssh in and restart X or reboot the machine.

> But what I would really recommend is to try X.org 6.8 from ubuntu. It
> has solved many many problems for me (ATI card), and my machine rans
> fine now.

I'd like to try x.org, but I think I'll wait until it's in sid.

> Hm... I had some issues with my SATA drive. The connection was not
> reliable, so that it would "unplugg" itself. A new cable fixed that.
> Is /var/log/messages on the SATA drive?

This is possible but I have done a LOT of heavy I/O to/from the disk
without even a hickup. I even (recently) copied 200GB from an ATA/100
drive to a SATA drive without issue.

Based on some off-list discussion I decided to try recompiling the nvidia
kernel driver with gcc 3.4.4 (instead of 3.3.6) and give a kernel boot
option of "acpi=off". The results so far show much better stability in X
and the kernel no longer complains about loosing ticks. I'll keep an eye
on it but ut2004 (amd64 binary) no longer randomly crashes - something I
did not notice before because I didn't play the game long enough on this
machine (hence why I stated it was fine in a previous post). However, it
hasn't been that long (day and a half) and only time will tell if either
change fixed anything...

Ron


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Re: random system hang

[Ron Farrer]

On Tue, June 21, 2005 0:09, Olleg Samoylov said:
>
> I have Tyan S2875 with one Opteron 240, DDR400. I can give some advise.
> 1. I had problems with SATA drive. Update BIOS to newest. Bios for S2875
> is very buggy especialy for SATA (may be your swap in SATA?).

I am running the latest BIOS (3.00) because it is required to get this
board to POST with Opteron 252 processors (found that out the hard way).

> 2. I had hangs with DDR400. memtest86+ show buggy DIMM. Try this usefull
> test.

I left memtest run overnight (I know, not that long...) and there were no
problems.

> 3. I very often have hang with mplayer. But mplayer is not in debian,
> thus I can't comment this.

I can't comment here as I don't use mplayer. I do use xine and it runs
perfectly from a chroot (for w32 codecs). XMMS runs fine natively.

Ron


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Re: cdrdao package for k3b

[Ron Farrer]

On Mon, June 20, 2005 19:45, Ross Urban said:
> Tony,
> Thanks for the info. Can you give me directions or point me to a site that
> will tell me how to setup a i386 chroot. Sorry, I'm still a little green
> behind the ears.
>
> Cheers,
> Ross

This has been discussed multiple times, see the archives for this list
(specifically):
http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/05/msg00166.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/05/msg00469.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/05/msg00463.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/05/msg00577.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/05/msg00613.html

Chroot setup is also in the archives and handily listed in "The Debian
GNU/Linux AMD64 HOW-TO" (specifically):
http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id274293

If that's too much to digest, you can grab a package (patched by me) at:
http://people.debian.org/~rbf/files/amd64/cdrdao_1.1.9-3_amd64.deb
and install it with "# dpkg -i cdrdao_1.1.9-3_amd64.deb"

Regards,
Ron


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Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 15:28 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 03:18:16PM -0400, Nathan Dragun wrote:
[snip]
> off.  Maybe SAS will change that).
> 
> I used to be a scsi fan, and built machines that used scsi instead of
> ide, but not anymore.  SAS I can see a point in, plain scsi I can't.

SAS the statistics company?
SAS the Scandinavian Airlines?
SAS the School of Advanced Study?  http://www.sas.ac.uk/
SAS the Surfers Against Sewage? http://www.sas.org.uk/
SAS the Special Air Service?
SAS the Society for Applied Spectroscopy?
SAS the Society for Applied Sociology?
SAS the Society for Amateur Scientists? http://www.sas.org/
SAS the Singapore American School? http://www.sas.edu.sg/
SAS the Static Analysis Symposium?

Ah ha!!!

About the 40th Google hit is "Serial Attached SCSI".

Talk about an ambiguous TLA!!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAS
has an even longer list...

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Re: Advice sought on moving to AMD64

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 10:17 -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2005 at 12:30:39AM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote:
> > How hard is it to use Debian AMD64?
[snip]
> 
> > SCSI HDD   : 6 x 36GB 15,000 rpm Ultra320
> 
> Hmm, expensive stuff.  I am not a scsi person anymore.  The high prices
> and lousy performance I got from IBMs 15k rpm scsi drives and raid
> controller a few years ago while spending a ton of money just makes me
> not interested anymore.  SATA makes much more sense to me.

You can't connect 6 SATA drives to the built-in SATA controller.

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Re: random system hang

[Ron Farrer]

On Fri, June 17, 2005 13:09, Ron Farrer said:

> On one of the lockups I started killing off processes and finally
> determined that X was not stopping when given the HUP and SEGV signals.
> Running (I use KDE) "/etc/init.d/kdm stop" would end in an error about the
> xserver not responding. Luckily (for me) X would stop with a KILL signal
> (-9) and I was able to restart X with "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" which
> would then return the local console and the frozen screen to normal and
> the machine would operate normally from that point on.

I guess I didn't "knock on wood" quick enough or something. After I sent
my reply I left for lunch and apon returning (1 hour) the thing was locked
up!

I went over to another machine, logged in via ssh. I looked at the CPU
usage and X was pegging one of the CPUs out to 100% usage. xscreensaver
appeared to have died (it was not in the output of "ps aux") but it was
clearly the last thing on the frozen screen. I noted the system load was
2.95 (the machine was idle when I left it). I killed X (with -9) and
restarted kdm. I opened (still on ssh) a file in vim (a text file that I
had been editing before I left for lunch) and vim hung. So I opened
another ssh session and ran "ps aux" and it hung before finishing the list
(got probably 3/4 the way through). So I tried to run "less
/var/log/messages" and it hung.  Ok, so I opened yet another ssh session
and tried to run "top" and the whole system stopped responding (first time
ever). At this point I could no longer ssh in. Left with no other choice I
pressed the "reset" and the box came back up fine. Just a bit of FYI if
anyone has an idea about the cause.

BTW I'm running Debian kernel 2.6.11-9-amd64-k8-smp

Ron


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Re: random system hang

[Ron Farrer]

On Thu, June 16, 2005 15:56, Charles Leggett said:
>
> My dual opteron system hangs at random intervals. Sometimes it's stable
> for a week, sometimes it hangs after just a few hours. The symptoms
> are always the same - NONE. Carefully scanning the system logs shows
> abslutely nothing occurred to cause a hang. No kernel oopses, no error
> messages. It's been this way ever since I insalled debian 6 months ago -
> before that I was running CentOS, and it never died then, so I'm pretty
> sure it's not a hardware problem.

I don't really have a solution, but rather this is more of a "me too" reply.

I have also been seeing seemingly random lockups on a dual Opteron system.
The screen is frozen and there is no keyboard response. Once it has locked
up, however, I was able to login via ssh and do some looking around. Most
commands take about 1-2 minutes to complete. Just typing "vim somefile"
can take as long as 2 minutes before it completes. Login in via ssh
sometimes takes 30 seconds or more.

On one of the lockups I started killing off processes and finally
determined that X was not stopping when given the HUP and SEGV signals.
Running (I use KDE) "/etc/init.d/kdm stop" would end in an error about the
xserver not responding. Luckily (for me) X would stop with a KILL signal
(-9) and I was able to restart X with "/etc/init.d/kdm restart" which
would then return the local console and the frozen screen to normal and
the machine would operate normally from that point on.

There doesn't seem to be any visable connection between the lockups
outside X and friends. It can be anywhere from a few hours (rare) to a
week. So far most of the lockups were while I wasn't even in the office -
one was in the middle of the night and another was during the day when I
was away.

I have been having weird behavior from xscreensaver (doesn't want to start
sometimes, some screensavers (especially opengl ones) will bleed onto the
screen in preview mode (forcing me to restart X to regain control), and
sometimes (rare) it doesn't want to stop on keyboard or mouse activity)
which could be the root of the problem. I have not yet tried running
without xscreensaver and if the lockups continue I may try stopping it. I
configured xscreensaver to use the "slide show" screensaver and I've only
seen one lockup so far (knock on wood). The machine has never locked up
while in use, only when idle.

This system has been otherwise rock solid. It runs everything extremely
well including games like ut2004 (amd64) and doom3 (i386 chroot). When a
lockup happens there is nothing in any of the logs. I am running sid and
keep it up-to-date. This machine has been heavily tested with a huge range
of tasks (games, compiling, benchmarks, etc.) and none have shown signs of
any problems. I like to compile large packages (for comparison to other
machines and) to look for any signs of instability. After compiling
xserver-xfree86 (33 minutes) there were no errors or unusual behavior
(although I did not actually try using the compiled packages). Other
compiled packages have built and run fine (although none are as large as
X) so I'm leaning towards a problem with X or xscreensaver.

Hardware list (to look for any possible common connections):
2 x Opteron 252
Tyan S2875
2GB DDR400 (2 x 1GB)
SATA (one seagate drive)
IDE (one sony DVDRW)
EVGA Nvidia Geforce 6800 Ultra 256MB (AGP 8x, FW, and SBA enabled)
no PCI devices installed

Right now the machine has been up 7 days without a lockup and I'll
continue to track it - but narrowing the problem down is difficult when
the lockups only happen about a week or two apart...

Regards,
Ron


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Re: i need a pdf creator

[Ron Johnson]

On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 20:47 +0200, daniele wrote:
> hi, sorry for my orrible english :-)
> now in debian sarge pure64 i don't have openoffice
> i hope that ooffice 64bit arrive in debian sarge in a few time
> but now if i want to create a pdf what i do?
> i need a simple gui application that allow to create a pdf
> if i run
> apt-cache search pdf i obtain a long list but i need a feedback from users

AbiWord can print to PDF.

Also, cups-pdf, a printer driver, seems to work well.

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Re: what are the missing ports?

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 00:41:44 -0400
John Baab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip] 
> -John
> 
> On 5/29/05, Lasse Bombien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I'm about to buy e Turion MT32 notebook and I will install sarge amd64 on 
> > it.
> > However, I'm trying to find out what packages are not ported yet. The links 
> > below
> > are appearently broken...
[snip]
> > The other thing is the graphics card: Ati Radeon X700. Will I have a decent 
> > X
> > server even if I don't use Ati's proprietary driver? Is there some generic 
> > driver?

What about "just", if possible, not buying a Turion MT32, and going
with something that has nvidia graphics?


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Re: Migrating a server to Debian amd64?

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 11:24 +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> On 10301 March 1977, Yassen Damyanov wrote:
> 
[snip]
> 
> Fresh install of course.
> For remote: debootstrap a small thing in a swap partition, reboot in

A "small *thing*"??

Would you be a bit more specific?

> that, debootstrap the real system on your root. (Or if you have a backup
> system bootable like some hosters offer use that).
> Search with google, you arent the first to switch from [other_distri] to
> Debian.
> 

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Re: Trouble with fortran compiler

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2005-05-04 at 09:43 +0100, A J Stiles wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 May 2005 19:25, Jose Luis Iguain wrote:
> > It is a 64-bit version. They not offer the sources  but  the  rpm's.
> 
> Absence of source code is, in and of itself, an extremely good reason *not* 
> to 
> install a piece of software.
[snip]

> This is a 
> destructive trend that we must resist with everything we have.

A 35 year trend that we are resisting by using Debian.  This is,
after all, a Debian mailing list...

> After all, what is in the source code that they do not want us to see?

The techniques which Intel compiler writers[1] use to generate 
code which for a while was always smaller and faster than gcc 
code.

Remember that competition is a Good Thing.  If "we" never looked
beyond our own community, it would be laughable for us to say that
"we" are objectively better than closed-source apps.

[1] I think these are people that Intel got when they purchased
Alpha from Compaq/DEC.

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Re: viruses

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2005-04-23 at 08:26 -0400, Ed Tomlinson wrote:
> On Saturday 23 April 2005 05:15, DR GAVIN SEDDON wrote:
> > Hi,
> > As I understand there are no viruses for Linux.  Can 'we' be carriers,
> > why not, and is it worth buying software to detect and clean the hdd?  I
> > am asking this because I have just opened a suspect email and I don't
> > want to pass anything on to a pc user.
> > Cheers.
> 
> You can pass a virus on if you forward it to a windows user...  As to buying

Well, I didn't know that.  Doesn't "forwarding" not send attachments?

> a virus checker, I would say no.  The are several free ones for linux.  I 
> think
> clamav for debian is available.

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Re: Porting an app on an 64bits arch

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 14:23 +0200, Guillaume R. wrote:
> Hello
> I'm really new to the 64bits arch and wish to know how I could port some
> apps under such an arch.
> Is there a guide or something like that explain how to achieve such a goal?

Does your code mix int, long & pointers, or cast between them?  

Of course, portable languages like FORTRAN & COBOL wouldn't have
such issues... ;)

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Re: remote printing

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 15:20 +, Dr Gavin Seddon wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a hp laser printer connected to another box on my lan.  How do I
> add this to my local machine so that I may print from here?

How does the printer talk to the other machine?  SMB, lpr, lpd,
CUPS, etc?

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Re: Normal buildtime for a kernel?

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 09:39 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 08:34:39AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > kernel-source-2.6.10
> > 
> > Jeez.  Athlon 2200+, 1GB RAM, 100GB ATA/133 drive, with a "desktop"
> > .config file (i.e., no low-level SCSI drivers, weird filesystems, 
> > etc, but all USB, firewire, bluetooth, etc options chosen) and it 
> > takes about 12 minutes.
> > 
> > But, hmm, no DRI or fb and only 1 codepage, if that makes a diffie.
> 
> Well if you turn of building of all the network, scsi, usb, etc modules
> then you cut a lot of time of the build.  The default debian config has
> almost all the drivers enabled as modules in case someone needs them.

True enough.  

But who needs 25 Ethernet drivers, and 2 dozen chipset drivers?  
(Except during install, of course.)

And how few modern desktops really need low-level SCSI drivers?

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Re: Normal buildtime for a kernel?

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 08:44 -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 10:31:17AM +0100, Oliver Korpilla wrote:
> > What is a normal build-time for a 2.6.11 kernel with reasonable hardware 
> > support (USB, SATA, ATA, On-Board Sound, Firewire ...), with many 
> > features compiled into the kernel?
> > 
> > I'm doing this on a 3500+ @ 2.2 GHz, so what should I expect? How many 
> > time spent in the system and how many in user?
> 
> I remember some years ago it would take me about 45 minutes or so to
> build a 2.4.18 kernel with most things enabled as modules that I might
> ever possible have a use for, and that was on a P3 800mhz with 128MB ram
> and an ATA100 30GB drive.
> 
> Compiling a 2.6.10 kernel on my Athlon 2800+ with 1GB ram and a 120GB
> SATA drive with the features debian has enabled by default in their
> kernels and a couple of tweaks is usually about 20 minutes or so as far
> as I remember.

kernel-source-2.6.10

Jeez.  Athlon 2200+, 1GB RAM, 100GB ATA/133 drive, with a "desktop"
.config file (i.e., no low-level SCSI drivers, weird filesystems, 
etc, but all USB, firewire, bluetooth, etc options chosen) and it 
takes about 12 minutes.

But, hmm, no DRI or fb and only 1 codepage, if that makes a diffie.

> > I'm getting half the time spent in system and think that is strange but 
> > I do not really know.
> 
> Well disk read/write are system calls, so that isn't unexpected.

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Re: Normal buildtime for a kernel?

[Ron Johnson]

On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 15:32 +0100, Oliver Korpilla wrote:
> Lennart Sorensen schrieb:
> > On Wed, Mar 23, 2005 at 02:53:16PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> >>That's the strange thing - my AMD64 3500+ in 64-bit mode, with 2 GB of 
> >>memory and a 250 Gb drive, takes about 30min. But this system _should_ 
> >>have more oomph, not less!
> > 
> > 
> > Well the Athlon 2800+ is 2087Mhz so at least for raw clock speed it is
> > not much slower than your cpu.  Given it is doing 64bit for every
> > pointer instead of 32bit you will have a bit bigger code, and hence a
> > bit more disk access time needed.  I may also be wrong on 20 minutes.
> > It might be closer to 30, but I haven't timed it in a while.  Given gcc
> > almost certainly does nothing to take advantage of the athlon64
> > instruction set, I wouldn't be surprised if the 3500+ A64 is not really
> > much faster than an Athlon 2800+ at compiling.
> 
> Yeah, but slower??

gcc 3.x is known to be slow, and I think I remember reading that
it's even slower on AMD64.

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