Re: SATA Silicon Image 3114 support for A64 images ?
Yeah, that's what I'm really thinking about : to install Knoppix onto the HDD, and then to upgrade (or downgrade?) ;) it to Sarge. Although I like the Knoppix interface .. ;) Thank you for the idea :) Ciao: Tudiatya (Eperkutyus too) :) > Sorry, I misunderstood -- I thought you wanted to get Debian installed, > I didn't realize you wanted to put pressure on the developers and > improve the installer. I'll let them respond in that case. > > BTW, did you know you could just install from Knoppix? It won't give > you the cleanest Debian, but it sure works. I'm guessing the Knoppix > people would be more interested in overclockers than most Debian > developers, but I could be wrong. > > Dave > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA Silicon Image 3114 support for A64 images ?
I thank YOU for the answers .. ;) > Thanks for the detailed response. I agree that the OC wasn't an issue in > your case, which is why I placed [OT] (off-topice) in the subject line. I > assume that many AMD64 users are going to OC, because the platform is easily > capable of it, so I thought it might be helpful for other users to note that > some motherboards may have problems that look like a driver issue when they > are in fact hardware problems. > > Knoppix has the advantage of taking Debian, which is an 80% finished > product, and then customizing the last 20% with the latest up-to-date > software and drivers. There will always be some lag between the two. > > Cheers, > tony -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA Silicon Image 3114 support for A64 images ?
tony, a normal system looks like following: PCI Bus - 33 MHz fixed AGP - 66MHz fixed FSB - Front Side Bus - variable, normally (usually) 200MHz on intel and amd platforms. Now, the issue you're talking about: My Athlon64 3000+ runs at 1800 MHz real. That's 200 FSB * 9. If I raise FSB to 278, 278 * 9 = 2500 MHz. PCI and AGP remains fixed at 33MHz. BUT ! The nVidia SATA controller - which also runs at 33MHz like PCI - gets it's clock from the FSB. If it raises, it's clock raises too. It's multiplier is 6, so 33 MHz * 6 = 200 MHz - no overclock. Now, find out, how much does it get at oc'-ed 278 FSB. 46.33 MHz - that's far beyond healthy level so don't ask why SATA controllers lock up when overclocking PC-s. The other integrated controller - usually silicon image, sis, whatever ... they're bound to the PCI bus, not to the special nvidia "bus" thing - their clock is fixed at 33MHz, and it doesn't matter if you raise FSB or not - your HDD's will work. That's the whole tale and that's why overclocking has NOTHING to do with this sata_sil issue - look at Knoppix ;) Cheers: Eperkutyus -- tony, you wrote: On a tangential note, some of the motherboards have problems when overclocked with only some of the SATA controllers. I'm running an Asus AV8-Deluxe and ran into lockups during bootup using the VIA controller, but after moving the drive over to the Promise 20378 (non-RAID mode, obviously), no issues. It would never have occurred to try this me except for some comments about this mobo and OCing on one of the OC websites (http://www.xtremesystems.org/, IIRC). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA Silicon Image 3114 support for A64 images ?
> I wasn't arguing against overclocking, just turn it off for the sake of > getting an installation going. > You'll be loosing sympathy fast if you insist on creating unnecessary > installation problems. Once > you have your system installed you can solve this secondary issue. Unnecessary installation problems ? Sympathy ? Don't make me laugh and don't come with this kind of tale .. Everybody who develops Debian is interested in making it always more flexible so there're always more people who can try and use it. Debian is by now the best balanced linux between "hardcore" and "newbie" level - you can use Debian both way, just what you think you really are. It wouldn't be a good project if it wasn't supporting lots of hardware devices, especially on the quite-new A64 platform (where there aren't so much manufacturers and devices on the market than in the i386 branch). So, you think, first I have to disable overclocking (Super-Pi, Prime95 and Memtest rock stable for hours), then go the sata_nv way, and after I set up everything, try to switch back to sata_sil ? Does it solve my problem ? Yes, of course. But that's not the way I'd like Debian Installer to work. Look at that Knoppix .. I just pressed the ENTER key at boot, and after a while KDE is on my monitor, ADSL is up and running, and my partitions are mounted (yeah, that's it ! They made it !). At that point I don't care about atomatized boot process (I can switch it off later), but I care about the fact that a Debian-based distribution handles my HDD correctly - except that it's a live CD. I could copy it to the HDD but that's just another way to escape - nothing more. I don't think it would be so hard to integrate this kind of support into the Debian Installer. I don't care about sata_nv and other non-flexible things.. I need power for my games, especially under linux where they tend to run a bit slower, and I also need my HDD of course :) - that's all in a Debian package. As you can see, I'm just trying to put some pressure on the A64 boot image developers, perhaps I can contribute to the A64 community and solve their SATA problem too ! (And don't forget: a majority of them overclocks, since A64 processors are really good overclocker beasts, but it should NOT be a problem for now as long as Knoppix runs flawlessly - am I right ?). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA Silicon Image 3114 support for A64 images ?
Amazing !!! Knoppix found my HDD without any questions and mapped my ntfs partitions as read only into /mnt/sda1...10 .. GREAT ! Kernel is 2.6.11 (newest Knoppix live CD, just got it from the website an hour ago or so..) Alright, here's what you wanted. :) LSPCI : :00:00.0 Host bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00e1 (rev a1) :00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00e0 (rev a2) :00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00e4 (rev a1) :00:02.0 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00e7 (rev a1) :00:02.1 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00e7 (rev a1) :00:02.2 USB Controller: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00e8 (rev a2) :00:05.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00df (rev a2) :00:08.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00e5 (rev a2) :00:09.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ee (rev a2) :00:0a.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00e3 (rev a2) :00:0b.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00e2 (rev a2) :00:0e.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation: Unknown device 00ed (rev a2) :00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] K8 NorthBridge :01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4a50 :01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 4a70 :02:07.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M [Tornado] (rev 78) :02:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04) :02:08.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy MIDI/Game port (rev 04) :02:08.2 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Creative Labs SB Audigy FireWire Port (rev 04) :02:09.0 Communication controller: Lucent Microelectronics F-1156IV WinModem (V90, 56KFlex) (rev 01) LSPCI -n : :00:00.0 0600: 10de:00e1 (rev a1) :00:01.0 0601: 10de:00e0 (rev a2) :00:01.1 0c05: 10de:00e4 (rev a1) :00:02.0 0c03: 10de:00e7 (rev a1) :00:02.1 0c03: 10de:00e7 (rev a1) :00:02.2 0c03: 10de:00e8 (rev a2) :00:05.0 0680: 10de:00df (rev a2) :00:08.0 0101: 10de:00e5 (rev a2) :00:09.0 0101: 10de:00ee (rev a2) :00:0a.0 0101: 10de:00e3 (rev a2) :00:0b.0 0604: 10de:00e2 (rev a2) :00:0e.0 0604: 10de:00ed (rev a2) :00:18.0 0600: 1022:1100 :00:18.1 0600: 1022:1101 :00:18.2 0600: 1022:1102 :00:18.3 0600: 1022:1103 :01:00.0 0300: 1002:4a50 :01:00.1 0380: 1002:4a70 :02:07.0 0200: 10b7:9200 (rev 78) :02:08.0 0401: 1102:0004 (rev 04) :02:08.1 0980: 1102:7003 (rev 04) :02:08.2 0c00: 1102:4001 (rev 04) :02:09.0 0780: 11c1:044a (rev 01) Good night ! ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA Silicon Image 3114 support for A64 images ?
Ah.. I'm givin' up :( Look, some web pages say, my Neo2 Platinum uses 3114, you say it uses 3512. I'm confused. But anyway, it uses sata_sil, in that we agree at least, so forget the numbers.. they don't matter.. sata_sil will be our starting-out point. "I don't get the point oif overclocking, so I see no great loss there." But I get it. Much more responsive system, more than 50fps boost in games, especially the processor-consuming Counter-Strike .. if my CPU support higher speeds, I won't let it go by default. "3. I don't recall now, but it's possible that the sata_nv has problems in 2.6.8. If that's the case, I would install Debian on a sata_sil drive, and then upgrade the kernel" That's what the whole topic is about - installing Debian on a sata_sil drive. I don't want anything else. I just want the installer to see my hdd when it's connected to the sata_sil ports - that's it ! Easy, right ? No, it doesn't seem to be easy. :( I don't get words on that .. "4. To use the nforce3 NIC, you'll need a more recent kernel in any case -- I recommend vanilla 2.6.12-rc2 from kernel.org, but kernel-source-2.6.11 is available from Debian and may work fine. The NIC needs the forcedeth driver. Note that it doesn't show up in lspci, but it works fine." Nothing's wrong with the nForce3 NIC, where did you got that ??? Forcedeth works, NIC detected, ip got through DHCP - no problems at all.. forget the NIC please, I'm still trying to focus on sata_sil .. :( ". If you have a second Marvell Yukos NIC, it may still need some firmware not included in Debian (not free); a working driver is available in the vanilla kernel (sk98lin)" The same. I disabled it anyway in the BIOS. "Running a live CD and getting a lspci, lsmod, and dmesg output is always worth doing, even before asking for help!" Alright, I'm going to download the SuSe Live CD and we'll see. " If the debian-installer doesn't support your SATA device, then the standard procedure would be to send the output of lspci and lspci -n to the debian-boot mailing list, asking for support. As a workaround to make your machine install I would suggest to manually load the sata_sil module at installation time. Boot in expert mode, and try to modprobe sata_sil on another console (Alt-F2) before entering the partitioning menu." Did it. Nothing. :((( Okay, I'll be back in a few minutes.. I'm doing the lspci thing.. *** Grrr.. *** -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA Silicon Image 3114 support for A64 images ?
Okay, I went from the installer to "Execute a shell", but in the shell, lspci was not recognized as a command, so this won't take me further. :( (I don't have Linux, WinXP only ! Would it help you if I let a Suse Live CD run and lspci from there?) What interesting is, that there's a module called "siimage" in the installer's list, but I think that's for another type of silicon image controller. Would it perhaps help, if the installer would include sata_sil in it's list of selectable modules ? One another thing: people talk about that in lots of SATA topics that we have to set the "compatibility mode" in the BIOS so the installer sees the HDD - then recompile kernel etc with sata_nv and finally BIOS back to normal. I don't understand this, why to install a linux that hard way, on the other hand this procedure was for the sata_nv but probably would also work for sata_sil.. but anyway, why ??? This stupid WinXP installs onto both controllers without any word .. I don't have spare PATA HDD to cheat the whole thing out and MSI boards doesn't have "compatibility mode" regarding SATA controllers either - so it means, my BIOS reports on the "Energy Star" pre-boot screen the following: Primary Master - None Primary Slave - CDROM (actually name differs) Secondary Master - None Secondary Slave - None Third Master - None Fourth Master - None Fifth Master - My SATA Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 (160G) Sixth Master - None That's it. Third & Fourth are sata_nv and of course unused because of the NOT-fixed 33MHz clock, Fifth & Sixth are sata_sil whici I use right now. If I disable Third & Fourth in the BIOS, Fifth and Sixth won't appear as Third and Fourth, for PATA IDE Secondary Master controller "Disable" it's the same. On my Abit IC7 Intel chipset I had that Compatibility mode where if a controller was disabled, higher numbered channels took it's number, but now that's not the way to handle it. But anyway, if linux does have sata_sil already, we just need to put it into the menu of the debian installer as a loadable module, or am I wrong ? :( Sry for being so long ... - Original Message - From: "Cameron Patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:53 PM Subject: Re: SATA Silicon Image 3114 support for A64 images ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SATA Silicon Image 3114 support for A64 images ?
No, I didn't try sata_sil .. I don't know, how. :) The Debian Installer modules list (which modules to load) doesn't contain sata_sil, only sata_nv. :( -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SATA Silicon Image 3114 support for A64 images ?
Hi there, I'm using a MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum - 4 SATA port, 2 of them nVidia, 2 of them Silicon Image controllers. The built-in nvidia controller isn't much useful, since it's clock isn't fixed 33MHz - as I raise "FSB", it raises too and leads to serious freezes right at the beginning of the boot process. Do you dear Debian Sarge driver developers see ANY chance of integrating this module into the Debian Installer's module list ? Lots of A64 motherboards use this, I use DDR500 anyway, CPU @ 2500 instead of basic 1800 . Sometimes I play, sometimes I would use Debian .. but I can't (I won't go down with the clock, it's rock stable right now for days and fast enough). I tried to install several images and daily builds with sata_nv support, but: 1) I had to plug my HDD to the nVidia connector (the one NOT next to the CPU/AGP) 2) I had to go back to the basic clock 1800 in order to be able to boot in on the nVidia controller 3) At every install at the first reboot while the system boots, I always get messages like "sata controller enabled" and after it "sata controller disabled" (the text may be something else, I don't remember actually). These messages occur if I press a button on the keyboard but if I don't do anything it still occurs continuously. It writes everything over what's on the screen, so I couldn't even set up my adsl account with pppoeconf.. crazy, stupid, mad thing .. I think there're too much boards out there in order to make Debian Daily Builds and Sarge sil3114 compatible - so why doesn't it happen ??? :( SATA is more than 2 yrs old, and this controller isn't too young at all anyway. I don't use Debian (nor any other linux distro) because of it's limitation on that simple thing, that it won't support my fixed-33MHz-PCI-Bus-integrated-Silicon Image 3114 controller. Please, guys, let somebody know that the driver's already out, it only has to be integrated into the debian installer (and it's modules) in order to be able to install it onto my SATA HDD - for example, the network install iso-s . If it helps, here I found a link to this controller's linux drivers - decide, which is easier to modify it to Debian "taste", I think it wouldn't take much time for a Pro, right ??? Check out the "drivers" section: http://www.siliconimage.com/products/product.aspx?id=28 (One another writing, easy to understand, something else, but it may be a good starting point, too: http://unclean.org/howto/sii3114_linux.html ). I'm also likely to test such a finished Debian Installer iso. If it works, than fine, good job. Dear Debian Developers - It would be a REALLY huge relief for A64 users, since the best A64 chipsets come with this controller.. and even I wouldn't have to suffer under 1) + 2) + 3) (see above). Don't ask me to build my own Debian Installer on a Windows system, nor to try it on another Linux machine - I'm not a pro, a beginner, I actually good in iptables and networking, but kernel "hacking" .. nope.. :/ But I test the image, if somebody helps me make it sil3114 compatible. ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
