Re: AMD64 + nvraid installation
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 02:35:26PM +0200, Eugen Leitl wrote: Um, I haven't done such a mixed installation, but that nvidia softraid is likely to give you grief, and even if the motherboard dies on you, and you want to get back at your data. Doesn't newer (XP and 2003 etc.) do a soft RAID of it's own, so you can skip this BIOS soft RAID monstrosity? There are multiple problems with this: - It requires to turn your disk to a Dynamic Disk in Windows. Although the Linux kernel supports it, I never tried it and I do not know what tools are available under Linux for managing dynamic disks (like creating/deleting partitions). - Although XP can _use_ mirrored volumes, it can not _create_ them. You need a server edition of Windows to create the volumes. If you do not want to buy a server edition license, then you've lost. Microsoft has still a _lot_ to learn. Gabor -- - MTA SZTAKI Computer and Automation Research Institute Hungarian Academy of Sciences -
Re: AMD64 + nvraid installation
Gabor Gombas wrote: - Although XP can _use_ mirrored volumes, it can not _create_ them. You need a server edition of Windows to create the volumes. If you do not want to buy a server edition license, then you've lost. There was a published hack on Tom's Hardware (dunno if it's there anymore) that explain how to get around this limitation, if you're daring. It comes down to hexediting one of the disk management DLLs. Thanks, Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AMD64 + nvraid installation
Hello list, Just a short question: I'm getting an AMD64 system delivered soon, and I'd like to make use of the nvidia 'softraid' that comes with it (I need it in both OS' that will run on the box). I haven't really found much documentation on this: is this supported from the debian installer on amd64? Or is it manual work? Thanks, Jan -- I would gladly raise my voice in praise of women, only they won't let me raise my voice. -- Winkle -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 + nvraid installation
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 02:13:42PM +0200, Jan De Luyck wrote: Hello list, Just a short question: I'm getting an AMD64 system delivered soon, and I'd like to make use of the nvidia 'softraid' that comes with it (I need it in both OS' that will run on the box). Um, I haven't done such a mixed installation, but that nvidia softraid is likely to give you grief, and even if the motherboard dies on you, and you want to get back at your data. Doesn't newer (XP and 2003 etc.) do a soft RAID of it's own, so you can skip this BIOS soft RAID monstrosity? I don't think you're getting a major tradeoff out of this, maybe a little less performance under Windows, but better performance under Linux. I haven't really found much documentation on this: is this supported from the debian installer on amd64? Or is it manual work? You probably will need a very recent kernel, and I'm not too sure whether the nvidia soft RAID is binary-only driver? (just a speculation, don't know). -- Eugen* Leitl a href=http://leitl.org;leitl/a http://leitl.org __ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820http://www.ativel.com 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: AMD64 + nvraid installation
Jan De Luyck wrote: Hello list, Just a short question: I'm getting an AMD64 system delivered soon, and I'd like to make use of the nvidia 'softraid' that comes with it (I need it in both OS' that will run on the box). I haven't really found much documentation on this: is this supported from the debian installer on amd64? Or is it manual work? Works with mini.iso -- I installed jfs/lvm/raid with the main system on jfs/raid Thanks, Jan -- !!! INCLUDE ALL TEXT IN TECHNICAL SUPPORT EMAIL REPLIES!!! Karl Schmidt EMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th StreetPh (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 There's many a bestseller that could have been prevented by a good teacher. --Flannery O'Connor -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 + nvraid installation
Karl Schmidt wrote: Jan De Luyck wrote: Hello list, Just a short question: I'm getting an AMD64 system delivered soon, and I'd like to make use of the nvidia 'softraid' that comes with it (I need it in both OS' that will run on the box). I haven't really found much documentation on this: is this supported from the debian installer on amd64? Or is it manual work? Works with mini.iso -- I installed jfs/lvm/raid with the main system on jfs/raid Using the NVidia fakeraid support, such that Windows is also happy to see the drives as RAIDed and boot from them? (as opposed to by using MD) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 + nvraid installation
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 02:05:50PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: Just a short question: I'm getting an AMD64 system delivered soon, and I'd like to make use of the nvidia 'softraid' that comes with it (I need it in both OS' that will run on the box). I haven't really found much documentation on this: is this supported from the debian installer on amd64? Or is it manual work? Works with mini.iso -- I installed jfs/lvm/raid with the main system on jfs/raid Using the NVidia fakeraid support, such that Windows is also happy to see the drives as RAIDed and boot from them? (as opposed to by using MD) Just use dmraid, it's a layer on top of MD that is able to read the proprietary fakeraid configs and make a workable MD device from it. See http://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dmraid/ and http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html . Erik -- +-- Erik Mouw -- www.harddisk-recovery.com -- +31 70 370 12 90 -- | Lab address: Delftechpark 26, 2628 XH, Delft, The Netherlands -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 + nvraid installation
On Friday 30 June 2006 13:13, Jan De Luyck wrote:
Hello list,
Just a short question: I'm getting an AMD64 system delivered soon, and I'd
like to make use of the nvidia 'softraid' that comes with it (I need it in
both OS' that will run on the box).
I haven't really found much documentation on this: is this supported from
the debian installer on amd64? Or is it manual work?
If it's nVidia, it may well be closed-source and binary-only. In which case,
absolutely do not touch it with a four metre barge pole. Unless you like the
idea of your data potentially being held to ransom by nVidia . but most
people use RAID in order to make their data *more* secure, not *less* secure.
Either get yourself a proper hardware RAID card such as a 3Ware {which is
expensive, but will make the whole array appear as a single SCSI drive}; or
use Linux's established, Open Source software RAID.
You might get away with using closed-source drivers for a graphics card
{there's always SSH in an emergency}; but relying on them for something as
fundamental as your hard disks is just bending over and asking for it.
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Re: AMD64 + nvraid installation
Erik Mouw wrote: On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 02:05:50PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: Just a short question: I'm getting an AMD64 system delivered soon, and I'd like to make use of the nvidia 'softraid' that comes with it (I need it in both OS' that will run on the box). I haven't really found much documentation on this: is this supported from the debian installer on amd64? Or is it manual work? Works with mini.iso -- I installed jfs/lvm/raid with the main system on jfs/raid Using the NVidia fakeraid support, such that Windows is also happy to see the drives as RAIDed and boot from them? (as opposed to by using MD) Just use dmraid, it's a layer on top of MD that is able to read the proprietary fakeraid configs and make a workable MD device from it. See http://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dmraid/ and http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html . So the answer to the original poster's question is this supported from the debian installer on amd64? is no, then? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 + nvraid installation
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 03:01:18PM +0100, Jo Shields wrote: Erik Mouw wrote: Just use dmraid, it's a layer on top of MD that is able to read the proprietary fakeraid configs and make a workable MD device from it. See http://people.redhat.com/~heinzm/sw/dmraid/ and http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html . So the answer to the original poster's question is this supported from the debian installer on amd64? is no, then? No idea, I haven't used the debian installer for some time simply cause there was no amd64 box to install ;-) Given the amount of nvidia based amd64 platforms, supporting dmraid from the installer would make sense. Erik -- +-- Erik Mouw -- www.harddisk-recovery.com -- +31 70 370 12 90 -- | Lab address: Delftechpark 26, 2628 XH, Delft, The Netherlands -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD64 + nvraid installation
On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 02:13:42PM +0200, Jan De Luyck wrote: Just a short question: I'm getting an AMD64 system delivered soon, and I'd like to make use of the nvidia 'softraid' that comes with it (I need it in both OS' that will run on the box). I haven't really found much documentation on this: is this supported from the debian installer on amd64? Or is it manual work? It might be possible with dmraid. Debian does not to my knowledge support dmraid in the installer at this time. You might be able to install on another HD, build the needed modules/kernel/etc, and then setup the dmraid on the nvidia raid, and copy the install to there and make it work. But there is no easy solution at this time. I personally don't trust fake raids much, and since I don't dual boot, I don't have an issue with it. I also like my raid to be independant of my motherboard. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
