Re: new software if moving to amd64?
On 5 October 2014 16:21, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > I see no reason for it to fuse given multiarch works now. I expect > people to have amd64/x32 multiarch systems though since the majority > of programs don't need a 64bit memory space so you would gain smaller > binaries and less cache usage due to the smaller pointers. The kernel > would obviously be 64bit. For those few programs that have a use for > 64bit memory space, yo would use amd64 packages. > > Essentially I think it makes sense to run 64bit kernel, with x32 as the > default and amd64 for select applications, and perhaps i386 for the few > things that can't be bothered to upgrade away from old 32bit. > I would observe that AIX took a similar path to this; the typical application that doesn't need a large memory space operates in 32 bit mode, but specific apps would be compiled with 64 bit options. The set of applications that need to be "64 bit capable" tends to grow, alas. It gets quite annoying if cat/awk/sed/tail/sort/tar "blow up" upon receiving large inputs, particularly if you've got plenty of RAM to cope with the data. Things may work out fine given APIs that can cope with large files (there was an API designed for that, of course!), but I'll bet there will be surprising cases. -- When confronted by a difficult problem, solve it by reducing it to the question, "How would the Lone Ranger handle this?"
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
Lennart, Thanks for the comment. Actually, until you mentioned it, i wasn't even aware of x32, but its existence answers a lot of questions i had since long :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141006012759.43715...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 10:12:18PM +0200, Michael wrote: > Lennart, > > What do you think, chances does X32 have ? Will this be, like, fused, into > AMD64 compilers some day ? I see no reason for it to fuse given multiarch works now. I expect people to have amd64/x32 multiarch systems though since the majority of programs don't need a 64bit memory space so you would gain smaller binaries and less cache usage due to the smaller pointers. The kernel would obviously be 64bit. For those few programs that have a use for 64bit memory space, yo would use amd64 packages. Essentially I think it makes sense to run 64bit kernel, with x32 as the default and amd64 for select applications, and perhaps i386 for the few things that can't be bothered to upgrade away from old 32bit. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141005202149.gt4...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
Lennart, What do you think, chances does X32 have ? Will this be, like, fused, into AMD64 compilers some day ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141005221218.5ba34...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
On 10/05/2014 10:12 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: Interesting. So that would be another flavour of package again? (not 'i386' not 'amd64', but something else?) The flavour is x32. It is not done yet though. https://wiki.debian.org/X32Port Kewl. I'll keep an eye on that. Better stay with i386 for now tho, I don't have the bones for any converting. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54319a31.5010...@eastlink.ca
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 07:59:17AM -0700, Ray Andrews wrote: > On 10/04/2014 07:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > > Lennart, > >The best option will actually end up being x32 (which is 32bit > >programs using the 64bit cpu so you get all the new registers and > >SSE floating point, but without the pointer overhead). Not sure > >how far along x32 is at this point. > Interesting. So that would be another flavour of package again? > (not 'i386' not 'amd64', but something else?) The flavour is x32. It is not done yet though. https://wiki.debian.org/X32Port -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141005171221.gs4...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
On 10/04/2014 07:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: Lennart, The best option will actually end up being x32 (which is 32bit programs using the 64bit cpu so you get all the new registers and SSE floating point, but without the pointer overhead). Not sure how far along x32 is at this point. Interesting. So that would be another flavour of package again? (not 'i386' not 'amd64', but something else?) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54315cc5.2020...@eastlink.ca
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 02:45:59PM -0700, Ray Andrews wrote: > Ok thanks, that's a good start right there. Looking at various > blogs and such, it seems no two people can agree if the conversion > to '64 is beneficial or even wise. I have only 2 GB of RAM on this > machine, so that's no motive. I hear talk of various problems on > the one hand, vs. claims of better performance on the other. Can I > sorta slide from '32 to '64 by degrees? I mean, so that whenever I > do an upgrade it will convert what's convertible while leaving the > rest of the system '32? Or should I start afresh? Or should I just > leave this older machine alone? 64bit has twice the registers than 32bit in the case of x86, so some programs gain some performance that way. Also 64bit always uses SSE for floating point, while 32bit by default uses x87 floating point which is a lot slower. Now 64bit does have some overhead due to the pointers being twice as big, which means more cache use and memory bandwidth, although probably not that much in general. The best option will actually end up being x32 (which is 32bit programs using the 64bit cpu so you get all the new registers and SSE floating point, but without the pointer overhead). Not sure how far along x32 is at this point. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141005020355.gq4...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
On 10/04/2014 02:45 AM, Michael wrote: Micha, Thanks very much for that, it was exactly the sort of grandfatherly advice that I was looking for. It would be nice if there was a Debian doc saying just what you said (not so much 'how' but 'why' to convert to amd64). It does seem that, with 2GB of RAM, there is little reason for me to jump in right now. I think I'll spend my time over the winter digging into zsh. Still, one might wish for some handy-dandy 'converter' script so that, if one was migrating an existing system to a more powerful machine, it could be done withl a minimum of agony. Our friendly competitor have a not so bad overview for beginners on these pages http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/taking-the-mystery-out-of-64-bit-windows Superbly written. Ray -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/542ffbf4.1030...@eastlink.ca
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
Ray, Well. Having done a lot of (kindly) support for older machines, i'd say leave the arch as is. While on the other hand it's fun to upgrade to a decent GNU/Linux version (a friend once said Linux is the greatest online adventure ever) so if you are bored, give it a shot :) but that does not imply to change the architecture. The problem is just the 'fiddling' which consumes your time for nothing. Plus, multiarch (mixed i366 and amd64 packages) in reality is not that easily done as said. In my case, when i tried to set up google earth 32 bit (in a native 64bit env), it finally ends up to move most (or all?) of the installation to 32 bit. Well, it still works, but at least looks ugly in the package manager :) and i'm sure the respective package dependencies could be resolved differently, but i won't blame the maintainers. It's just a lot of work, on all ends, to make it real, and the tiny word 'work' resembles the huge problem, paid or not. There is one feature of Windows 7 that struck me though i did not really dive into it ... when a software does not launch or work properly, the Windows OS tries to identify and solve the problem, for example by switching to 'Windows XP mode' where 32 bit apps run in an emulation environment. Maybe they chose the safe bet, i can't tell, especially since Windows always makes a big fuzz over solutions to problems that should not exist in the first place. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/understanding-hardware-and-software-for-64-bit-windows Our friendly competitor have a not so bad overview for beginners on these pages http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/taking-the-mystery-out-of-64-bit-windows There are very few GNU/Linux apps which in the past were available only in 32 bit packages, proprietary things like google-earth and maybe skype, meaning you'd need the debian multiarch feature. Meanwhile those issues could or should be solved, but still, there's no guarantee since those the props usually do not have significant GNU/Linux support on their end. Yet i'm running googleearth right now and the debian maintainer even tries to upgrade to ge7. https://plus.google.com/+AdnanHodzic/posts/g2JyQ93ej51 As for the gain of 64 vs 32 bit, one should ask how urgent are high performance tasks on the respective computer. This is not totally trivial even if you're only doing some office and internet, because most people at least want smooth movies and a graphical desktop. Besides the CPU, also the GPU is involved. I imagine that typical GPU tasks involve massive parallel computing and other stuff that possibly could profit from 64bit. Please don't nail me down on this, i really don't know much about, but i wonder if the 32/64 bit question is just the same for GPUs. Maybe someone can enlighten me. ps. It seems there is http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_64-bit.html micha -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141004114520.5348b...@mirrors.kernel.org
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
On 10/03/2014 11:20 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:38:51AM -0700, Ray Andrews wrote: I just upgraded to the 'amd64' kernel. I've always been a 32 bit lad up till now. The kernel runs fine, but I'm wondering if there is anything else to do, specifically if my software needs to be somehow changed from 32 bit to 64 bit. There seems to be no special repository for 64 bit. Or am I all good? So this is 'crossgrading' I see. Seems like a bit of a nightmare. I followed one set of instructions and it totally screwed things up. Fully backed up, tho. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/542f5a23.5010...@eastlink.ca
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
On 10/03/2014 11:20 AM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:38:51AM -0700, Ray Andrews wrote: Gentlemen, Are you sure that is always true? Sure I may be, but not everyone on the list is likely to be. Mere, vulgar flattery ;-) I just upgraded to the 'amd64' kernel. I've always been a 32 bit lad up till now. The kernel runs fine, but I'm wondering if there is anything else to do, specifically if my software needs to be somehow changed from 32 bit to 64 bit. There seems to be no special repository for 64 bit. Or am I all good? Well you can run a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit user space. You can even create chroots with debootstrap that are amd64 architecture inside and that works too. Of course with multiarch in wheezy and above you can even install packages from both i386 and amd64 at the same time (using apt-get install packagename:architecture), after telling dpkg once to add the other architecture. dpkg has a concept of the default architecture of an installation which was whatever it was installed as initially, although you can change it. The sources.list doesn't change in general, it simply starts downloading all the enabled architectures that you told dpkg to use (using dpkg --add-architecture). Ok thanks, that's a good start right there. Looking at various blogs and such, it seems no two people can agree if the conversion to '64 is beneficial or even wise. I have only 2 GB of RAM on this machine, so that's no motive. I hear talk of various problems on the one hand, vs. claims of better performance on the other. Can I sorta slide from '32 to '64 by degrees? I mean, so that whenever I do an upgrade it will convert what's convertible while leaving the rest of the system '32? Or should I start afresh? Or should I just leave this older machine alone? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/542f1917.1030...@eastlink.ca
Re: new software if moving to amd64?
On Fri, Oct 03, 2014 at 08:38:51AM -0700, Ray Andrews wrote: > Gentlemen, Are you sure that is always true? Sure I may be, but not everyone on the list is likely to be. > I just upgraded to the 'amd64' kernel. I've always been a 32 bit > lad up till now. The kernel runs fine, but I'm wondering if there is > anything else to do, specifically if my software needs to be > somehow changed from 32 bit to 64 bit. There seems to be no special > repository for 64 bit. Or am I all good? Well you can run a 64 bit kernel with 32 bit user space. You can even create chroots with debootstrap that are amd64 architecture inside and that works too. Of course with multiarch in wheezy and above you can even install packages from both i386 and amd64 at the same time (using apt-get install packagename:architecture), after telling dpkg once to add the other architecture. dpkg has a concept of the default architecture of an installation which was whatever it was installed as initially, although you can change it. The sources.list doesn't change in general, it simply starts downloading all the enabled architectures that you told dpkg to use (using dpkg --add-architecture). -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141003182048.gp4...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: new debian sources and servers???
"Hans-J. Ullrich" writes: > This behaviour only appears, when using aptitude. Using the older apt-get, > all > servers are found. The only thing, I had to change, was APT::Cache-limit in > /etc/apt/apt.conf, but that reason is clear. > > Is there a difference of using the sources.list in aptitude, apt-get and > synaptic? I could not find out, if they use different sources.lists, or if > they use the same in different ways. Documentation made this not clear. > > It looks to me, that the handling of debian packages are changed in the > future. > > Hans You have installed ia32-apt-get and its support is not yet 100%. It breaks aptitude update so you have to use apt-get update for now. See also /usr/share/doc/ia32-apt-get/NEWS.Debian.gz. MfG Goswin PS: unstable is as unstable says. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: new debian sources and servers???
This behaviour only appears, when using aptitude. Using the older apt-get, all servers are found. The only thing, I had to change, was APT::Cache-limit in /etc/apt/apt.conf, but that reason is clear. Is there a difference of using the sources.list in aptitude, apt-get and synaptic? I could not find out, if they use different sources.lists, or if they use the same in different ways. Documentation made this not clear. It looks to me, that the handling of debian packages are changed in the future. Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: new desktop tips
On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 01:01:41PM -0300, Gunther Furtado wrote: > I am starting to gather info on hardware in order to assemble a new > multiple processor debian desktop for my wife and I and I would > appreciate if you could tell what is the smartest choice these days on > motherboard/processor and memory. The only thing kind of beyond plain > desktop use I intent doing frequently is multiterminal (probably > xephyr). Well my latest machine (for mythtv to go faster) a couple of months ago was: Asus P5K Nvidia 8600GT OCZ Platinum rev2 OCZ2P800R22GK 2x1GB DDR2-6400 ram Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Silverstone TJ04-B case Silverstone SST-ST56F 560W power supply (and of course 4 x WD5000AAKS Western digital 500GB harddisks for raid5 storage) I already had a Plextor PX760 DVD writer so I didn't need one of those. Works great with testing and unstable. Etch is simply to old to run the video card or motherboard. I am very happy with it. The only thing I would change if buying it now would be to get a Q9450 rather than Q6600 CPU since it is 10 to 20% faster and uses about half the power (which would be a good thing in my mythtv box). I am currently about to upgrade a build server at work from an Athlon64 3500+ + A8V + 2x512MB ram to a Q6600 + P5K-V (onboard intel video) + 2x2GB OCZ ram which should come in at just around $500 reusing the case and drives from before. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel
Am Donnerstag, 20. März 2008 schrieb can comert: > after i installed the kernel package > linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64_2.6.24-4_amd64 and the firmware package > firmware-iwlwifi_0.10_all my computer's wireless led started to shining > also on the starting part while omething goes on screen after i boot the > kernel > i can read the line intel 4965 detected > but my iwconfig output is still > debian:/home/tilki# iwconfig > lono wireless extensions. > eth0 no wireless extensions. > how can i configure the > wireless interface > my /etc/network/interfaces is like that > > # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system > # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5). > # The loopback network interface > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > # The primary network interface > allow-hotplug eth0 > iface eth0 inet dhcp > auto eth0 > > Thanks for your help... Hi can, check your devicename. ifconfig -a should tell you the device. You will not see an IP. Then edit your /etc/network/interfaces and add this, assuming your device is shown as ath0 and you will want to use dhcp: iface ath0 inet dhcp wireless_mode Managed wireless_essid yourssid wireless_key YOURKEYHERE wireless_keymode open After this, check, if /etc/init.d/networking restart will get you an IP. Good luck ! Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 03:46:26PM +0200, can comert wrote: > hello, > i'm using debian lenny testing on my asus f3sv laptop > my uname -ar output is > Linux debian 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 09:22:35 UTC 2008 x86_64 > GNU/Linux > > my wireless network adeptor is (output of lspci) > 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN > Network Connection (rev 61) > 09:01.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev > 05) > > i couldn't connect to a wireless network how can i connect?? > i heard that kernel 2.6.24 version could support my wireless card so how > can i upgrade my kernel version?? 2.6.24 is certainly available in sid. You should be able to just install the linux-image-2.6.24 package from sid. You will also need the firmware-iwlwifi package. After that it works great. The firmware is already in lenny so that should be easy. It's in the non-free section of course. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Debian User needs an idea
On Wed, Dec 05, 2007 at 01:07:09AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks all for the good info. My problem with gcc was that I jumped to the > conclusion that "extra" software would be on the 2nd or 3rd disk. I tried apt > again and this time mounted the first disk and there it is. I think I will > find > the headers now that I see they are called linux-headers rather that > kernel-headers. This should allow getting ndiswrapper up and getting to the > web. They used to be named kernel-headers, but the debian freebsd and hurd guys objected (quite validly too) that it should be more specific. So it bacame linux-headers and linux-image instead of kernel-headers and kernel-image. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Debian User needs an idea
Thanks all for the good info. My problem with gcc was that I jumped to the conclusion that "extra" software would be on the 2nd or 3rd disk. I tried apt again and this time mounted the first disk and there it is. I think I will find the headers now that I see they are called linux-headers rather that kernel-headers. This should allow getting ndiswrapper up and getting to the web. Thanks again. regards Jim Bean -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hello all, > I am a fairly experienced Fedora user trying out Debian for the first time. I > have a 3 disk distribution from Linux Central and I can get it to install and > boot to a command line. The installer uses only the first disk. My problem is > that I can't bring up the GUI. I have a driver for the video card but in > order > to install it gcc and the kernel headers are required, and missing. Also my > only > web source is via a wireless, which needs to be configured with ndiswrapper. > This requires, guess what, gcc and the kernel headers so I can't download > them. > I tried aptitude and it requests a disk be mounted but it is not any of the > disks that I have. I suspect that gcc is hiding on one of the disks I have if > only I knew how to get to it. Ideas? > The computer is dual booted so I could use the Fedora side to download and > copy > over. > Jim Bean > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Debian User needs an idea
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 02:49:20AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am a fairly experienced Fedora user trying out Debian for the first time. I > have a 3 disk distribution from Linux Central and I can get it to install and > boot to a command line. The installer uses only the first disk. My problem is > that I can't bring up the GUI. I have a driver for the video card but in > order to install it gcc and the kernel headers are required, and missing. > Also my only web source is via a wireless, which needs to be configured with > ndiswrapper. This requires, guess what, gcc and the kernel headers so I can't > download them. I tried aptitude and it requests a disk be mounted but it is > not any of the disks that I have. I suspect that gcc is hiding on one of the > disks I have if only I knew how to get to it. Ideas? > The computer is dual booted so I could use the Fedora side to download and > copy over. Is it a 3 DVD set or what? I have never seen a 3 CD set of debian. Which version? If you have the DVD set you should have everything you need. To get kernel headers and compiler and such apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-amd64 build-essential To install kde do: apt-get install kde To get gnome do: apt-get install gnome Or you can run tasksel to install the 'desktop' task (which usually is the default on an Etch install I thought). -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Debian User needs an idea
On Tuesday 04 December 2007 03:49, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello all, > I am a fairly experienced Fedora user trying out Debian for the first time. > I have a 3 disk distribution from Linux Central and I can get it to install > and boot to a command line. The installer uses only the first disk. My > problem is that I can't bring up the GUI. I have a driver for the video > card but in order to install it gcc and the kernel headers are required, > and missing. Also my only web source is via a wireless, which needs to be > configured with ndiswrapper. This requires, guess what, gcc and the kernel > headers so I can't download them. I tried aptitude and it requests a disk > be mounted but it is not any of the disks that I have. I suspect that gcc > is hiding on one of the disks I have if only I knew how to get to it. > Ideas? The computer is dual booted so I could use the Fedora side to > download and copy over. Jim Bean Hi Jim, - Xorg (GUI) should at least work with the vesa driver, which supports most video cards (albeit at reduced resolution and without 3D support). You can switch over to your dedicated driver (nvidia, ati, intel ...) after its installation. - This would indeed be the first Debian "distribution" lacking gcc. Check if your 3 disks are all registered in /etc/apt/sources.list. If not, add your disks using the command apt-cdrom add (I haven't done this for years, as I always install from the internet, so I can't give you the exact details; however, the process should be fairly self-explanatory). Regards, Clemens -- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Clemens Bergmann Schwertlilienweg 14 68259 Mannheim Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Debian User needs an idea
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello all, I am a fairly experienced Fedora user trying out Debian > for the first time. I have a 3 disk distribution from Linux Central > and I can get it to install and boot to a command line. The installer > uses only the first disk. My problem is that I can't bring up the > GUI. I have a driver for the video card but in order to install it > gcc and the kernel headers are required, and missing. Also my only > web source is via a wireless, which needs to be configured with > ndiswrapper. This requires, guess what, gcc and the kernel headers so > I can't download them. I tried aptitude and it requests a disk be > mounted but it is not any of the disks that I have. I suspect that > gcc is hiding on one of the disks I have if only I knew how to get to > it. Ideas? The computer is dual booted so I could use the Fedora side > to download and copy over. Jim Bean You can try this; some commands may need to be adapted. 1. boot fedora 2. get Internet access working if it isn't already 3: run something like this: mkdir /mnt/debian mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/debian # replace /dev/sda2 as needed mount -t proc proc /mnt/debian/proc # maybe not needed mount --bind /dev /mnt/debian/dev# maybe not needed chroot /mnt/debian 4. make sure Internet access works from within the chroot 5. use the chrooted shell to do whatever you need to do Good luck, Corey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Debian User needs an idea
OnDecember 3, 2007 06:49:20 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello all, > I am a fairly experienced Fedora user trying out Debian for the first time. > I have a 3 disk distribution from Linux Central and I can get it to install > and boot to a command line. The installer uses only the first disk. My > problem is that I can't bring up the GUI. I have a driver for the video > card but in order to install it gcc and the kernel headers are required, > and missing. Also my only web source is via a wireless, which needs to be > configured with ndiswrapper. This requires, guess what, gcc and the kernel > headers so I can't download them. I tried aptitude and it requests a disk > be mounted but it is not any of the disks that I have. I suspect that gcc > is hiding on one of the disks I have if only I knew how to get to it. > Ideas? The computer is dual booted so I could use the Fedora side to > download and copy over. Jim Bean Hi Jim. I think this would be easier if you got your wireless up and running first. There was a thread on this list serv last week or recently anyway, explaining how to get wireless working. If you search here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/ Chris W. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Debian user
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 04:30:53PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Listers, > I am a Fedora user trying to do my first Debian install (downloaded to CD). > It installs OK but the installer REALLY wants to access the net. In order for > that to happen I have to install ndiswrapper. In order for that to happen I > need the kernel headers which I -think- are not installed. The installer > doesn't ask if Kernel stuff is to be installed so I assume I have to get them > from the net. I tried copying over the ndiswrapper module from Fedora but > insmod knows that its from the wrong kernel. > The installer assumes there is a working net connection during install, not > true in my case. > Basically I need the net to give myself access to the net. > How can I break out of this chicken/egg situation? Well the obvious solution is to use a wired connection during the install to download what is needed to get the stupid wireless to work. I haven't seen a laptop with wireless that didn't have wired ethernet too. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Debian user
On Sun, Jul 15, 2007 at 12:33:20PM -0500, Don Montgomery wrote: > > Jim, > > I am a little confused---you tried to install a module so > that you would have net access? Therefore, you do have a > physical connection available? > > If so, you can probably burn and use a net-install CD and > let debian-installer find and configure your net access on > its own, it is very good at that, perhaps prompting you > for some information during the install. > > If you do not have a physical connection, you can burn a > stand-alone CD install. You can install Debian from just the first CD of the many-CD set. Other CD's just contain more packages which are less popular or less essential than the ones on the first CD. But you can get those off the net if you have a net connection. The first CD contains everything you need to use the net (except for the networking hardware and your contract with the ISP, of course) to install furhter packages. I oftern install using only the first CD and add other things off the net as needed. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Debian user
Hi, Debian installer come in in flavors, one (3 DVD o many CD) could be installed alone and don't need the net, any way that ask for..., and you should skip the step... The package are pretty common and should be in the first CD / DVD just finish tha basic installation and the install ndiswrapper and the kernel headers with apt-get from your CD Good luck On 7/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Listers, I am a Fedora user trying to do my first Debian install (downloaded to CD). It installs OK but the installer REALLY wants to access the net. In order for that to happen I have to install ndiswrapper. In order for that to happen I need the kernel headers which I -think- are not installed. The installer doesn't ask if Kernel stuff is to be installed so I assume I have to get them from the net. I tried copying over the ndiswrapper module from Fedora but insmod knows that its from the wrong kernel. The installer assumes there is a working net connection during install, not true in my case. Basically I need the net to give myself access to the net. How can I break out of this chicken/egg situation? regards Jim Bean -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Perhaps the depth of love can be calibrated by the number of different selves that are actively involved in a given relationship. Carl Sagan (Contact) Jaime Ochoa Malagón Integrated Technology Tel: (55) 52 54 26 10
Re: New Debian user
Jim, I am a little confused---you tried to install a module so that you would have net access? Therefore, you do have a physical connection available? If so, you can probably burn and use a net-install CD and let debian-installer find and configure your net access on its own, it is very good at that, perhaps prompting you for some information during the install. If you do not have a physical connection, you can burn a stand-alone CD install. Don On Sun, 15 Jul 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:30:53 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org Subject: New Debian user Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 16:32:25 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-amd64@lists.debian.org Listers, I am a Fedora user trying to do my first Debian install (downloaded to CD). It installs OK but the installer REALLY wants to access the net. In order for that to happen I have to install ndiswrapper. In order for that to happen I need the kernel headers which I -think- are not installed. The installer doesn't ask if Kernel stuff is to be installed so I assume I have to get them from the net. I tried copying over the ndiswrapper module from Fedora but insmod knows that its from the wrong kernel. The installer assumes there is a working net connection during install, not true in my case. Basically I need the net to give myself access to the net. How can I break out of this chicken/egg situation? regards Jim Bean -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New box crashes
On Mon, 07 May 2007 16:20:09 +0200, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > So far it has about five hours with no errors. I'm hoping there are > other diagnostics I can use. That's the most accurate I know about. As suggested by Lennart, check that the timings in the BIOS are set to "auto". > This seems unlikely -- the messages I'm getting look more like memory > management than I/O. I have one GB -- I'm thinking that might not be > enough for a 64-bit kernel. I have 1GB of good RAM on my box and I have never had a problem. I suggested the HD cables because I had such a problem a few weeks ago :) > What's the package in Etch that does that? I couldn't find it in the > Gnome desktop. lm_sensors is what you're looking for. > Pretty much all the distros and kernels ranging from 2.6.17 through > 2.6.18 do this. If I can get the 2.6.20 kernel to build without a crash > during the compile, I'll check it out. There's a 2.6.20 in Sid. Maybe it's been backported to Etch, or you can just install the .deb package. -- Best Regards, Jack Linux User #264449 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux on AMD64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New box crashes
On Mon, May 07, 2007 at 07:15:25AM -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > So far it has about five hours with no errors. I'm hoping there are > other diagnostics I can use. Well a lot of people who have reported stability problems with new athlon 64 machines ran memtest and got nothing, and still their problems were caused by the ram. memtest can tell you if you have a problem in many cases. It can never tell you that you do not have a problem. > This seems unlikely -- the messages I'm getting look more like memory > management than I/O. I have one GB -- I'm thinking that might not be > enough for a 64-bit kernel. Should be plenty for most uses. Certainly has been for me. What chipset does you system use? That may give a much better clue as to whether there may be kernel problems for that board. > What's the package in Etch that does that? I couldn't find it in the > Gnome desktop. lm-sensors, etc, but it is board/chipset specific, not something that just works genericly. > Pretty much all the distros and kernels ranging from 2.6.17 through > 2.6.18 do this. If I can get the 2.6.20 kernel to build without a crash > during the compile, I'll check it out. Certainly 2.6.20 might fix some of the many many issues with the ATI SB600 chipset. > By the way, so far, Etch has been the most stable and it's the only one > that's configured the video right. Feisty Fawn crashed during the > install, CentOS can't give me a reasonable looking screen and Gentoo > hasn't been able to do a kernel build without crashing. If I can figure > out "make-kpkg" and start building my own kernels, "lenny" may be the > best choice for this system. It's a scientific workstation. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New box crashes
Jack Malmostoso wrote: I've gotten a few traces in /var/log/messages, which I'll post to the appropriate place as soon as I find out what the appropriate place is. If it's kernel related, the LKML is the right place. Yeah ... once I try a 32-bit kernel, that's where I'm going. Etch, Feisty Fawn, Gentoo 2006.1 and CentOS all have similar problems, so it's pretty much got to be either hardware or the upstream 64-bit kernel. In order: 1) Check the memory with memtest for 12+ hours So far it has about five hours with no errors. I'm hoping there are other diagnostics I can use. 2) Check that HD cables are correctly placed in their sockets This seems unlikely -- the messages I'm getting look more like memory management than I/O. I have one GB -- I'm thinking that might not be enough for a 64-bit kernel. 3) Check that the computer isn't running too hot What's the package in Etch that does that? I couldn't find it in the Gnome desktop. 4) Check with another distro. Check the md5sum of the iso BEFORE burning it Pretty much all the distros and kernels ranging from 2.6.17 through 2.6.18 do this. If I can get the 2.6.20 kernel to build without a crash during the compile, I'll check it out. 5) If nothing yields results, disassemble the computer and remount it with more care and love Good luck! By the way, so far, Etch has been the most stable and it's the only one that's configured the video right. Feisty Fawn crashed during the install, CentOS can't give me a reasonable looking screen and Gentoo hasn't been able to do a kernel build without crashing. If I can figure out "make-kpkg" and start building my own kernels, "lenny" may be the best choice for this system. It's a scientific workstation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New box crashes
On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 04:53:19PM -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I just got a new box (Athlon 54 X2 4200+ on a Gigabyte Technology NVIDIA > GeForce 6100 Socket AM2 AMD ATX Motherboard). I'm getting miscellaneous > crashes on Etch. They usually occur during I/O intensive operations, and > at this point I have no reason to suspect the hardware. I've gotten a > few traces in /var/log/messages, which I'll post to the appropriate > place as soon as I find out what the appropriate place is. Nothing wrong with trying them here. At worst someone will suggest posting them to lkml instead if it looks like an actual kernel problem. > So, where does one take this sort of thing? I don't have enough > information yet to rule out hardware or enough decent debug traces to > file a defect anywhere. If I can find a non-SMP kernel for Etch on an > AMD64, I'll probably install it just to see if this stuff goes away. Most athlon 64 system stability problems come down to the use of bad ram or more specifically ram that just doesn't have the timing accuracy that the amd memory controller requires. Even running memtest for days may not find it, but taking out half the ram might find a bad stick, although in some cases the only solution is to buy a different brand of ram (preferably one the motherboard maker has certified). Another source of weird crashes is using crappy generic power supplies. Just don't ever do that. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New box crashes
On Mon, 07 May 2007 02:00:09 +0200, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > I just got a new box (Athlon 54 X2 4200+ on a Gigabyte Technology NVIDIA > GeForce 6100 Socket AM2 AMD ATX Motherboard). They ripped you off man... they're called "64" ;) > I'm getting miscellaneous > crashes on Etch. They usually occur during I/O intensive operations, and > at this point I have no reason to suspect the hardware. Just because it's new shiny stuff you shouldn't assume it not their fault. > I've gotten a > few traces in /var/log/messages, which I'll post to the appropriate > place as soon as I find out what the appropriate place is. If it's kernel related, the LKML is the right place. > So, where does one take this sort of thing? In order: 1) Check the memory with memtest for 12+ hours 2) Check that HD cables are correctly placed in their sockets 3) Check that the computer isn't running too hot 4) Check with another distro. Check the md5sum of the iso BEFORE burning it 5) If nothing yields results, disassemble the computer and remount it with more care and love Good luck! -- Best Regards, Jack Linux User #264449 Powered by Debian GNU/Linux on AMD64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new install
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Re: New problem with an hp CD5750
On Tue, Apr 03, 2007 at 08:23:48PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I had a try with the 2.6.20.4 kernel and the same settings and a liilt > bit of : > make oldconfig > But I don't know how to setup LILO to boot either with the "old" kernel > and HDA or with the "new" kernel and SDA and how to deal with the fstab > problem ! > SDA or HDA that is the question ! > Is there a mean/trick to have a sort of "equivalence" between /dev/sda > and /dev/hda or a parameter to say : please see "SDA" as "HDA" ! Ehm, no. Since the device entries would be different. Now you could setup your fstab and root= to use labels instead or possibly the uuid of the filesystem. Then it doesn't matter what the device is called. And why would anyone use lilo anymore? Grub is superior in every way, and much simpler to work with. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New problem with an hp CD5750
Le mardi 03 avril 2007 à 10:59 -0400, Lennart Sorensen a écrit : > > Well if it is emulating an old ide controller, then you only get generic > IDE drivers, which means no DMA but rather PIO, which is limited to > about 2MB/s. That's the speed my old 486 gets on disk accesses. > > You might need a 2.6.20 or newer kernel along with setting the bios to > run the SATA in native mode in order to get anything reasonable > performance wise. > > -- > Len Sorensen I had a try with the 2.6.20.4 kernel and the same settings and a liilt bit of : make oldconfig But I don't know how to setup LILO to boot either with the "old" kernel and HDA or with the "new" kernel and SDA and how to deal with the fstab problem ! SDA or HDA that is the question ! Is there a mean/trick to have a sort of "equivalence" between /dev/sda and /dev/hda or a parameter to say : please see "SDA" as "HDA" ! Regards Storm66 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New problem with an hp CD5750
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 11:35:57PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Somebody on the list give me an advice to switch (in the BIOS) IDE > emulation from "Legacy IDE" to "Native" I noticed that when I select > "Legacy IDE" the access turns to UDMA 100 with no other choice. > When I try it I get a kernel panic at boot ... not syncing ... please > append a correct "root=". > So it is a misfit between the drivers and the system or with the way the > SATA drivers works. > Are the SATA hd devices always called HDx with the SATA driver working > or are they called SDx like the Scsi hd ? > On one of my home systems I lost an SCSI disk and replace it by a > standard IDE one and the disk is seen as SDE after the SCSI disks > (kernel 2.6.20). All SATA drivers in linux show up as /dev/sdX. The new libata PATA drivers do too, meaning with new kernels (very new 2.6 series) using the libata drivers for everything, you will have no /dev/hdX for any devices at all. > Knoppix is Debian based, so the system seems to be OK, and I update it > with apt-get set to etch. > I recompile the last 2.6.19 with SATA set to "Off" and the machine boots > (Legacy IDE) with the same bad disk performance. A simple "vi" on a file > is long as on the venerable Amiga which I used as reference. > (Yes an Amiga 2000 works with Linux, this one has known its firts kernel > before the 2.0 and runs with a Debian since 2.0.x, I think x was 10 to > 12 many years ago, it runs now 2.6.18 with full success). > On my "big" (2x AMD 2Ghz) system the same "hdparm -t /dev/sde1" gives > 66.46 Mo/s on the IDE disk. Well if it is emulating an old ide controller, then you only get generic IDE drivers, which means no DMA but rather PIO, which is limited to about 2MB/s. That's the speed my old 486 gets on disk accesses. You might need a 2.6.20 or newer kernel along with setting the bios to run the SATA in native mode in order to get anything reasonable performance wise. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New problem with an hp CD5750
Le lundi 02 avril 2007 à 09:59 -0400, Lennart Sorensen a écrit : > On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 12:35:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I have always some problems with the HP dc5750. After installing > > "wildly" the system (by copying a Knoppix 32 bits CD on the HD). > > The system runs, slowly..., even X and KDE are OK, but I encounter a new > > problem. > > Ths disk is deadly slow : > > hdparm -t gives 1.43 Mo/s > > on an 23 years old Amiga 2000 running Linux I get 3.4 Mo/s > > so 1.43 Mo/s is quite a pain. > > I want to compile a new kernel with only the needed modules , eg a > > better disk driver, and no unused modules. The problem is that I can't > > get a working kernel on the machine, the kernel does not boot with a > > panic "does not find the disk ... append a correct root=... ". > > I try with a 2.6.20 kernel, take the 2.6.19 config found in the Knoppix > > install and a make oldconfig. The kernel compile is OK but panics while > > booting not finding the boot disk. > > > > There is something which does not work properly with the disk > > driver ... > > Any help will be appreciated. > > Usually less than 2MB/s means you don't have DMA enabled, which usually > means you are using the wrong ide driver or have a bad configuration > somewhere. You can check the settings in /proc/ide/hda/settings or > whatever your HD is. > > As for installing knoppix that way, I have no idea. knoppix is a > tolerable live cd but I would hate to have it as my normal use system. Hello, Somebody on the list give me an advice to switch (in the BIOS) IDE emulation from "Legacy IDE" to "Native" I noticed that when I select "Legacy IDE" the access turns to UDMA 100 with no other choice. When I try it I get a kernel panic at boot ... not syncing ... please append a correct "root=". So it is a misfit between the drivers and the system or with the way the SATA drivers works. Are the SATA hd devices always called HDx with the SATA driver working or are they called SDx like the Scsi hd ? On one of my home systems I lost an SCSI disk and replace it by a standard IDE one and the disk is seen as SDE after the SCSI disks (kernel 2.6.20). Knoppix is Debian based, so the system seems to be OK, and I update it with apt-get set to etch. I recompile the last 2.6.19 with SATA set to "Off" and the machine boots (Legacy IDE) with the same bad disk performance. A simple "vi" on a file is long as on the venerable Amiga which I used as reference. (Yes an Amiga 2000 works with Linux, this one has known its firts kernel before the 2.0 and runs with a Debian since 2.0.x, I think x was 10 to 12 many years ago, it runs now 2.6.18 with full success). On my "big" (2x AMD 2Ghz) system the same "hdparm -t /dev/sde1" gives 66.46 Mo/s on the IDE disk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New problem with an hp CD5750
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007 at 10:08:16AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 04:11:00PM +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: > > Am Samstag, 31. M?rz 2007 12:35 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > > hdparm -t gives 1.43 Mo/s > > > on an 23 years old Amiga 2000 running Linux I get 3.4 Mo/s > > > so 1.43 Mo/s is quite a pain. > > I didn't know an Amiga 2000 *could* run Linux. Doesn't Linux need > memory-mapping hardware? Or did Commodore sneak that in without telling > me? Many people had 68030 or 68040 accelerator cards, many of which had real CPUs rather tahn EC versions. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New problem with an hp CD5750
On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 04:11:00PM +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: > Am Samstag, 31. März 2007 12:35 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > hdparm -t gives 1.43 Mo/s > > on an 23 years old Amiga 2000 running Linux I get 3.4 Mo/s > > so 1.43 Mo/s is quite a pain. I didn't know an Amiga 2000 *could* run Linux. Doesn't Linux need memory-mapping hardware? Or did Commodore sneak that in without telling me? -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New problem with an hp CD5750
On Sat, Mar 31, 2007 at 12:35:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have always some problems with the HP dc5750. After installing > "wildly" the system (by copying a Knoppix 32 bits CD on the HD). > The system runs, slowly..., even X and KDE are OK, but I encounter a new > problem. > Ths disk is deadly slow : > hdparm -t gives 1.43 Mo/s > on an 23 years old Amiga 2000 running Linux I get 3.4 Mo/s > so 1.43 Mo/s is quite a pain. > I want to compile a new kernel with only the needed modules , eg a > better disk driver, and no unused modules. The problem is that I can't > get a working kernel on the machine, the kernel does not boot with a > panic "does not find the disk ... append a correct root=... ". > I try with a 2.6.20 kernel, take the 2.6.19 config found in the Knoppix > install and a make oldconfig. The kernel compile is OK but panics while > booting not finding the boot disk. > > There is something which does not work properly with the disk > driver ... > Any help will be appreciated. Usually less than 2MB/s means you don't have DMA enabled, which usually means you are using the wrong ide driver or have a bad configuration somewhere. You can check the settings in /proc/ide/hda/settings or whatever your HD is. As for installing knoppix that way, I have no idea. knoppix is a tolerable live cd but I would hate to have it as my normal use system. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New problem with an hp CD5750
Am Samstag, 31. März 2007 12:35 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Hello, > > I have always some problems with the HP dc5750. After installing > "wildly" the system (by copying a Knoppix 32 bits CD on the HD). > The system runs, slowly..., even X and KDE are OK, but I encounter a new > problem. > Ths disk is deadly slow : > hdparm -t gives 1.43 Mo/s > on an 23 years old Amiga 2000 running Linux I get 3.4 Mo/s > so 1.43 Mo/s is quite a pain. > I want to compile a new kernel with only the needed modules , eg a > better disk driver, and no unused modules. The problem is that I can't > get a working kernel on the machine, the kernel does not boot with a > panic "does not find the disk ... append a correct root=... ". Check /boot/grub/menu.lst, sometimes the line with the initrd.img is missing. You can edit it by booting with knoppix, mount the partition and edit it. This sometoimes is caused by the grub-install script. Ifyou need a new initrd, do this in /boot/grub/: i.e. mkisofs -o initrd.img-2.6.18-4-amd64.img /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-amd64 > I try with a 2.6.20 kernel, take the 2.6.19 config found in the Knoppix > install and a make oldconfig. The kernel compile is OK but panics while > booting not finding the boot disk. > Hope this might help. Regards Hans > There is something which does not work properly with the disk > driver ... > Any help will be appreciated. > > Regards > > Storm66 -- Firma Ullrich-IT-Consult Inh.: Hans-J. Ullrich Münstedter Weg 10 31246 Oberg www: http://www.ullrich-it.de Linux-Beratung für Server und Clients IT-Sicherheit, Linux-Schulungen und Workshops -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new models nvidia AMD ASUS board
On Mon, Aug 21, 2006 at 10:05:30PM -0700, AWP wrote: > something needs to be done about getting it to install on the new (ASUS) > nvidia > chipsets (specifically SATA2.0 and Gb ethernet) What model, which chipset, which installer did you try and with which kernel? -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new models nvidia AMD ASUS board
thats nice ;) how about you post an lspci output, or maybe some doco. have you tried the latest kernel?? Dean On Tue, August 22, 2006 3:05 pm, AWP wrote: > something needs to be done about getting it to install on the new (ASUS) > nvidia > chipsets (specifically SATA2.0 and Gb ethernet) > > -- > AWP > > > > ICQ:100373317 > odigo: nagualshroom (2664065) > > webpages: > http://glamdy.info > > > http://sorceryworld.net or http://xorcery.info or http://xorcery.net > > ICQ webpage > : http://www.icq.com/100373317 > 360:http://360.yahoo.com/andrew_awp > MySpace:http://www.myspace.com/annoyingspore > > > web rings: > http://i.webring.com/hub?ring=nagualring > http://n.webring.com/hub?ring=dreamingthedrea1 > > usergroups: > > xorcery group at yahoo groups: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xorcery > > > > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New
On 8/16/06, Kv237 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I attempted to find an old ethernet adapter today, in order to install the AMD64 port of Sarge. But the only card I could find was a Zonet ZEN3200 adapter. This adapter requires the driver rt18139.o, and that was not available in the ../kernel/drivers/net directory. And before you ask, I did look for a .ko extension as well. I installed AMD64 using a network card with realtek 8139 chipset 10 months ago without any problems whatsoever. I just used the netinstall CD as always, the card got autodetected properly. Moreover, I think the drivers you should try are called 8139cp.ko and 8139too.ko HTH Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New
On Wednesday 16 August 2006 14:20, Kv237 wrote: > Hello, > > I have about 18 years of experience as a Linux and Unix user and system > administrator, but after an attempted upgrade about five weeks ago with > Ubuntu to their Dapper Drake version i ran into serious problems and the > installation essentially crashed. > > I have therefore decided to return to the Debian distribution, since this > distribution is very stable in my experience. I have decided to try out the > AMD64 distribution of Sarge, despite the fact that this version is only in > testing at the moment. The installation image work a lot better than any > other Debian or Ubuntu installation I have tried out on my computer. > > My problem is that the network drivers don't support my ethernet hardware. > My moterboard is an ASUS K8N4-E Deluxe. The eterhet adapters I have > attempted to use is a Marwell 88E8 Gigabit Lan PHY included on the > motherboard, and a D-link DFE-530TX. > > I have attempted to use the forcedeth driver explicitly, but the version > delivered with the ISO don't recognize my hardware. > > I have tryed to use the Linux drivers delivered with the DFE-530TX, but > they are delivered as source code and the ISO don't contain the development > environment. I have attempted to install the drivers from a CD with apt, > but the ISO image don't have apt. > > I have attempted to install the drivers for the Maxell HW with dpkg, but > the ISO don,t have dpkg either. > > I attempted to install dpkg into ram memory with the start a shell option > in the install image, but dpkg is as far as I could find out only available > as a .deb file which requires dpkg in order to install. > > I attempted to find an old ethernet adapter today, in order to install the > AMD64 port of Sarge. But the only card I could find was a Zonet ZEN3200 > adapter. This adapter requires the driver rt18139.o, and that was not > available in the ../kernel/drivers/net directory. And before you ask, I did > look for a .ko extension as well. > > Currently I have no idea about how I could install Debian AMD64 without > help with the drivers and with the current kernel image, i.e. Linux > 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic. > > Could somebody help me by creating a new install image, with the kernel > replaced with the latest stable kernel and the latest forcedeth drivers > replacing the versions in the current image. I will be happy to try it out, > and will of cause report any problems to this mail list. > > I will scan this mail list for answers. Thank you in advance for any help > provided. > > With my best regards, > > Sören Jonsson, Sweden > MSc in Computer Science That DFE card should be using the via-rhine driver which is definitely available in the 2.6.8 install kernel or you can try http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ for a backported install image for amd64 with a 2.6.16 kernel to try and use the onboard card. Stephen -- GPG Pubic Key: http://users.eastlink.ca/~stephencormier/publickey.asc pgptXCDGjKAFK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: New to 64 bit/Sorta new to Debian....
On Saturday 15 July 2006 12:54 am, Sam Varghese wrote: > This post provides a link to OO binaries: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2006/07/msg00118.html These must be built up for etch, as they have dependencies that my machine knows nothing about. Rob -- Mountlake Terrace, WA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to 64 bit/Sorta new to Debian....
Rob Blomquist wrote: I am currently running the unofficial sarge port to 64bits, and while I am now happy to have a computer back (building the new one took about 6 weeks, due to a crappy online seller), I am a little bummed to find myself seemingly out in the cold. I am a desktop user, running Linux for about 6-7 years, mostly on the RH side, having moved over to Debian about 3 months ago. First question how stable is etch? Should I just move on over right now, or should I wait a little? Not stable at all, as Debian defines stable - i.e. it's constantly changing. For those running Sarge, how can one upload openoffice? It appears to be in a vicious circle, not wanting to upload due to no dependancies being selected, add them into the upload, and it still fails? Could I run the 32 bit version, or could I force the issue somehow? Run the 32-bit version from a chroot, as explained in the AMD64 howto. AMD64-native openoffice is not ready for general use (well, if you plan on opening files made by 32-bit versions anyway) How about Backports? Is there hope of getting something newer though them? What about Sarge source packages? Can I compile them on this machine and end up with 64 bit code? Backports carry AMD64 packages, but be careful to check what apt wants to do before hitting Y. Backporting by hand is simple enough - get a source package, extract with "dpkg-source -x somefile.dsc", change to that folder, run "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot". May require packages you don't have already. Thanks- Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New to 64 bit/Sorta new to Debian....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Jul 14, 2006 at 10:12:55PM -0700 Rob Blomquist said: > I am currently running the unofficial sarge port to 64bits, and while I am > now > happy to have a computer back (building the new one took about 6 weeks, due > to a crappy online seller), I am a little bummed to find myself seemingly out > in the cold. I am a desktop user, running Linux for about 6-7 years, mostly > on the RH side, having moved over to Debian about 3 months ago. > > First question how stable is etch? Should I just move on over right now, or > should I wait a little? I upgraded to etch a couple of weeks back and did not encounter any problems apart from having to reconfigure my X to use the nv driver for my video card. > For those running Sarge, how can one upload openoffice? It appears to be in a > vicious circle, not wanting to upload due to no dependancies being selected, > add them into the upload, and it still fails? Could I run the 32 bit version, > or could I force the issue somehow? Setting up a chroot is detailed here: http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/amd64.jspx > How about Backports? Is there hope of getting something newer though them? > What about Sarge source packages? Can I compile them on this machine and end > up with 64 bit code? This post provides a link to OO binaries: http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2006/07/msg00118.html HTH Sam - -- Sam Varghese http://www.gnubies.com Experiences are savings which a miser puts aside. Wisdom is an inheritance which a wastrel cannot exhaust. My PGP key: http://www.gnubies.com/encryption/sign.txt -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEuJ8ZZyXhknb+33gRAoluAJ45jv6ZX7+iEsF08ROdQoYmY+ybcwCeJW51 s32JjY68Abr1lskb9rEcIFw= =Ydr7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Video Card.
On Fri July 14 2006 10:54 am, you wrote: > Ok, I now understand why "it's narrows it down"... > > Newegg doesn't ships to México. That's a problem... > Do you know another site having delivers to México? I built this amd64 box last year and I bought an nvidia FX 5700LE, IIRC. It's a cheapy but works well. I bought it at Anitec, you can try there if you like, I'm not sure if they ship to Mexico. http://www.anitec.ca/ > In the other hand I want to buy a card probed on Debian better if it > work too on amd64. > At least with the most higly hopes to work namely asus/evga/etc... I have problems whenever I get a new kernel or x, and need a new module. "m-a auto-install nvidia" is the "debian way" to do it. If that doesn't work you can install the drivers from the nvidia website.
Re: new libc6 from sarge, not in amd64-sarge yet ?
Ronny Adsetts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Goswin von Brederlow said at 03/06/2006 20:02: >> Ronny Adsetts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >>> On Sat, 06 May 2006 16:47:43 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >>> Pending the amd64 R2 release. Any day now [tm]. >>> >>> Is there any estimation of when this might happen? >> >> Still any day now[tm]. ANEFF > > Thanks for the update though I have no idea who or what ganef is. :) > > Is there anything you need help with to get the sarge r2 release out the door? > > Ronny Ganneff is the ftp-master for the amd64.debian.net archive that has to do the final steps for the sarge R2 release. It all hinges at him now. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new libc6 from sarge, not in amd64-sarge yet ?
Goswin von Brederlow said at 03/06/2006 20:02: > Ronny Adsetts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Sat, 06 May 2006 16:47:43 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> >>> Pending the amd64 R2 release. Any day now [tm]. >> >> Is there any estimation of when this might happen? > > Still any day now[tm]. ANEFF Thanks for the update though I have no idea who or what ganef is. :) Is there anything you need help with to get the sarge r2 release out the door? Ronny -- Ronny Adsetts Technical Director Amazing Internet Ltd, London t: +44 20 8607 9535 f: +44 20 8607 9536 w: www.amazinginternet.com signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: new libc6 from sarge, not in amd64-sarge yet ?
Ronny Adsetts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 06 May 2006 16:47:43 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> >> Pending the amd64 R2 release. Any day now [tm]. > > Is there any estimation of when this might happen? > > Thanks. > > Ronny Still any day now[tm]. ANEFF MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new libc6 from sarge, not in amd64-sarge yet ?
On Sat, 06 May 2006 16:47:43 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Pending the amd64 R2 release. Any day now [tm]. Is there any estimation of when this might happen? Thanks. Ronny -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new libc6 from sarge, not in amd64-sarge yet ?
On Sat, May 06, 2006 at 04:47:43PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Mickael Marchand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi all, > > > > I find quite strange that amd64 still has not the newly libc6 (3.1r2) that > > was > > patched for an amd64 bug, any reason why we still don't have it in > > sarge-amd64 ? > > > > on i386 sarge that is 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 > > on amd64 I only have : 2.3.2.ds1-22 > > > > am I missing something ? ;) > > > > Cheers, > > Mik > > Pending the amd64 R2 release. Any day now [tm]. cool, thanks for the answer :) Cheers, Mik > > MfG > Goswin > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new libc6 from sarge, not in amd64-sarge yet ?
Mickael Marchand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi all, > > I find quite strange that amd64 still has not the newly libc6 (3.1r2) that was > patched for an amd64 bug, any reason why we still don't have it in > sarge-amd64 ? > > on i386 sarge that is 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 > on amd64 I only have : 2.3.2.ds1-22 > > am I missing something ? ;) > > Cheers, > Mik Pending the amd64 R2 release. Any day now [tm]. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new install
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lennart Sorensen) writes: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:51:26PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: >> That really shouldn't matter. The RAID superblocks for all RAID levels >> contain a UUID for a reason. >> >> With >> DEVICE partitions >> in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, mdadm will check /proc/partitions for all >> partitions and scan each for your raid disks. >> >> [Not sure how to make mkinitramfs do this, though.] > > The problem I get is that on some boots I get: > > piix: sdc, sdd > /dev/md0 = /dev/sda1+/dev/sdb1 (boot) > /dev/md1 = /dev/sda2+/dev/sdb2 (root) > /dev/md2 = /dev/sda3+/dev/sdb3 (lvm first PV) > > promise: sda, sdb > /dev/md3 = /dev/sdc1+/dev/sdd1 (lvm second PV) > > and on others I get: > > promise: sda, sdb > /dev/md0 = /dev/sda1+/dev/sdb1 (lvm second PV) > > piix: sdc, sdd > /dev/md1 = /dev/sdc1+/dev/sdd1 (boot) > /dev/md2 = /dev/sdc2+/dev/sdd2 (root) > /dev/md3 = /dev/sdc3+/dev/sdd3 (lvm first PV) > > So now, do I pass root=/dev/md1 or root=/dev/md2? Seems 50% of the time > it is one, and 50% of the time the other. Bloody pain really. > > I tried passing root=LABEL=ROOT but for some reason, at least with > 2.6.15, /dev/disk/ needed to access by label doesn't exist so at > least with the way initramfs-tools makes the initrd, it can't find root > that way. > > So my raid componets always start up just fine, the problem is knowing > which raid md device is the right one to mount as root. > > Len Sorensen Check your initramfs. I guess that one screws it up, probably together with udev. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new install
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:51:26PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > That really shouldn't matter. The RAID superblocks for all RAID levels > contain a UUID for a reason. > > With > DEVICE partitions > in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, mdadm will check /proc/partitions for all > partitions and scan each for your raid disks. > > [Not sure how to make mkinitramfs do this, though.] The problem I get is that on some boots I get: piix: sdc, sdd /dev/md0 = /dev/sda1+/dev/sdb1 (boot) /dev/md1 = /dev/sda2+/dev/sdb2 (root) /dev/md2 = /dev/sda3+/dev/sdb3 (lvm first PV) promise: sda, sdb /dev/md3 = /dev/sdc1+/dev/sdd1 (lvm second PV) and on others I get: promise: sda, sdb /dev/md0 = /dev/sda1+/dev/sdb1 (lvm second PV) piix: sdc, sdd /dev/md1 = /dev/sdc1+/dev/sdd1 (boot) /dev/md2 = /dev/sdc2+/dev/sdd2 (root) /dev/md3 = /dev/sdc3+/dev/sdd3 (lvm first PV) So now, do I pass root=/dev/md1 or root=/dev/md2? Seems 50% of the time it is one, and 50% of the time the other. Bloody pain really. I tried passing root=LABEL=ROOT but for some reason, at least with 2.6.15, /dev/disk/ needed to access by label doesn't exist so at least with the way initramfs-tools makes the initrd, it can't find root that way. So my raid componets always start up just fine, the problem is knowing which raid md device is the right one to mount as root. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new install
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 09:56:08AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > Of course if your raid consists of drives from all of them, it probably > won't be a problem. My problem is I have a raid1 on each controller, > and the order of my raid devices gets rearranged when the controllers > load in reverse order. That really shouldn't matter. The RAID superblocks for all RAID levels contain a UUID for a reason. With DEVICE partitions in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf, mdadm will check /proc/partitions for all partitions and scan each for your raid disks. [Not sure how to make mkinitramfs do this, though.] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new install
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 02:24:43PM +0100, Koen Tavernier wrote: > I'm going to perform a new install on an Asus motherboard with the > following sata controllers: > > :00:08.0 RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC20378 > (FastTrak 378/SATA 378) (rev 02) > :00:0f.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VIA VT6420 SATA > RAID Controller (rev 80) > > I have 4 250GB SATA drives which I would like to use in (software) RAID5 > with LVM on top. > > I would love to use one of the newer kernels (2.6.15) but earlier > comments from Lennart Sorensen about sata drives not always being > recognised in the same order with this particular kernel has frightend > me a bit. Does this mean that the raid won't assemble properly and I > won't be able to boot? Right now, the system which I have with an intel and a promise sata controller manages to boot 50% of the time. If it fails, I reboot and it usually works. It really seems to decide to load the sata drivers randomly (or more like it loads them both at the same time, and sometimes one finishes loading first, sometimes the other). initramfs-tools really needs somewhere I can specify to load certain modules first before letting udev at things. I haven't found such a place yet, although I haven't looked very hard either. Of course if your raid consists of drives from all of them, it probably won't be a problem. My problem is I have a raid1 on each controller, and the order of my raid devices gets rearranged when the controllers load in reverse order. raid5 should probably figure it out just fine no matter what order they are in. > On that note, is it better to still have a small unraided /boot > partition to help grub rather than put everything on RAID5? grub can NOT read raid5. Only raid1. So you don't have a choice. A small raid1 partition is nice to have for grub. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 05:25:00PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 06:22:01AM +0800, zzz haha wrote: > > > After configure, just use these three command to build the kernel : > > > $ make > > > $ make modules_install > > > $ make install > > > > for a personal computer, and for one who can make menuconfig, i agree > > the debian way does not seem to add too much value. > > Being able to uninstall is a big value. Being able to use module > assistant to build add on modules is nice too (although that doesn't > technically need you to do it the debian way, but it works a bit > better). > > The ability to cleanly uninstall is the main thing. Avoiding accidental Not to mention proper versioning; "make install" will overwrite /vmlinuz, while installing a new kernel package will simply add new entries to your GRUB configuration. The manual commands aren't handling the initrd either. Still, the initrd is not important if you customised the whole kernel configuration. Proper versioning also means you can have matching versions of other modules for each installed kernel (nvidia, wifi etc) and still switch back and forth between kernels if necessary. The Debian method is not complicated so I'm surprised at the resistance. The command is simply fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image [--revision foo] --initrd sudo dpkg -i ../kernel-image... I've found in recent times that I rarely need to compile my own kernel anyway. I think I'm running stock kernels on my three machines at home now. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 06:22:01AM +0800, zzz haha wrote: > > After configure, just use these three command to build the kernel : > > $ make > > $ make modules_install > > $ make install > > for a personal computer, and for one who can make menuconfig, i agree > the debian way does not seem to add too much value. Being able to uninstall is a big value. Being able to use module assistant to build add on modules is nice too (although that doesn't technically need you to do it the debian way, but it works a bit better). The ability to cleanly uninstall is the main thing. Avoiding accidental overwrites is nice too. Auto adding the new kernel correctly to the boot menu is also nifty. I sure won't go back to make install again. Anything that writes outside /usr/local and isn't from dpkg is banned on my systems. That's how you avoid having to ever reinstall a system. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
> > After configure, just use these three command to build the kernel : > $ make > $ make modules_install > $ make install for a personal computer, and for one who can make menuconfig, i agree the debian way does not seem to add too much value.
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On Thursday 05 January 2006 01:52, Craig Hagerman wrote: > On 1/1/06, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hamish said that there is rarely a need to compile your own kernel > with Debian. I think I must have missed something. Is there a ways to > do a simple 'apt-get install new_kernel'? I did a google search for > something like 'debian kernel install', but all of the hits described > compiling your own new kernel. I'll contradict Hamish, but then I don't really like the debian-kernel method (especially the stupid and irrelevant warnings it always give me) If you already compiled your kernel yourself, there is no need to use debian tool to do it. After configure, just use these three command to build the kernel : $ make $ make modules_install $ make install "make install" will copy the correct version of the compiled kernel (you were using the uncompressed kernel, which doesn't boot anymore) to /boot After that, you can add an entry to your boot method of choice. I recommend grub. Surfing in the Japanese Alps sound good. Cheers, Ernest. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 09:52:25AM +0900, Craig Hagerman wrote: > Hamish said that there is rarely a need to compile your own kernel > with Debian. I think I must have missed something. Is there a ways to > do a simple 'apt-get install new_kernel'? I did a google search for > something like 'debian kernel install', but all of the hits described > compiling your own new kernel. Yes, there's packages called linux-image-* (previously kernel-image-*) which contain kernels including modules. With GRUB at least, installing a new kernel package will also add them to the boot menu. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On 1/1/06, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you do it ALL the Debian way, it's just fine. You should see your new > kernels added into the LILO configuration automatically, or at least the > GRUB configuration (preferred to LILO these days). > > Another part of the Debian way is that you rarely need to compile your > own kernel these days. What did you need to change? > Sorry for the delayed response - just got back from a few days snowboarding in the Japanese alps! As another poster mentioned I was compiling a kernel because DMA wasn't enabled. Another reason was that fancontrol and sensors report "no sensors found". lm_sensors DOES seem to be working (CPU runs slower under low load) and with a previous Debian installation on this motherboard sensors DID work. I figured it must be a missing kernel option. Unfortunately none of the options I selected seem to have done the job. (I'll continue this in a new thread.) Hamish said that there is rarely a need to compile your own kernel with Debian. I think I must have missed something. Is there a ways to do a simple 'apt-get install new_kernel'? I did a google search for something like 'debian kernel install', but all of the hits described compiling your own new kernel. Craig
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 12:37:12AM +0900, Craig Hagerman wrote: > Thanks for all the feedback. I tried installing a new kernel the 'debian way': > > % make menuconfig > % make-kpkg > > followed by: > > % dpkg -i kernel_name.deb > > which did everything automatically. Then I restarted ... to find I had > no GUI and no internet. I realized that the automatic install had > renamed my old kernel by appending .old to the name. I was able to add > THAT to lilo.conf by hand and successfully reboot. > > I am sure most of you will disagree with me but this is one area where > I do NOT like doing things the debian way. Compiling and installing a > kernel isn't something I do everyday but it is something that can mess > up a system. I don't know what is automagically being done behind the > scenes and I am very uncomfortable with that. I would much rather > follow a manual compile-installation instruction so that I can add the > new kernel to lilo by hand to try it out, knowing the working kernel > is still safe. If you used grub (default on fresh installs of sarge), it lists all installed kernels automatically. update-grub is a wonderful tool and yet another reason lilo has no purpose whatsoever anymore. The way lilo did things there really was no real easy way to add and remove entries, well at not that grub made it easy either, but the update-grub script does it all, and I haven't seen a similar one for lilo. > Having said that ... I now think that I was doing things wrong before. > After running make bzImage I saw there was a new file in the > /usr/src/linux directory called "vmlinux". I thought THAT was the > kernel and tried to copy it to /boot. After some research on the net I > now think that the image is actually at /arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage. IS > this what was meant by: > > Which IS the kernel I am supposed to copy? > > After I copied that bzImage I find that I have no GUI again. For some > reason the nvidia modules is not getting loaded (or found). I have no > idea why. Do I have to do something special with the nvidia module to > get it to work with a newly compiled kernel? You _always_ have to recompile the nvidia drivers whenever you change your kernel no matter what method you use. Fortunately on debian using m-a -t a-i nvidia, is about all it takes after booting the new kernel. > I still can't get internet working (either ethernet or wireless). When > I tried to modprobe the relevant modules I got an error saying > 'module not found'. But it IS there in the /lib/modules/2.6.14/ > directory. What is up with this? Do I have to update the System.map or > something else? (I HATE compiling and installing kernels since I don't > understand what is going on.) What kernel were you running before? Is your module-init-tools new enough? Did you make the drivers modules in the new kernel config? Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 12:38:27PM +0800, zzz haha wrote: > > Is there a bug reported logged so that this will be fixed in the next > > Debian kernel package? > > i'd like to. :) really busy right now. :) reportbug needs a local smtp > server? is there a standard way to send bug using gmail? Simple. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body: Package: Version: Severity: Text of bug report. Version and severity are optional but important. This is exactly what reportbug does. Full reference details are available at http://bugs.debian.org. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >i'd like to. :) really busy right now. :) reportbug needs a local smtp >server? is there a standard way to send bug using gmail? reportbug can be configured to use SMTP to bugs.debian.org directly. (Some ISPs block port 25 so this will not work for everyone.) Please use a recent version of reportbug that adds message-ids if you are going to do this, otherwise your bug may sighlently be discarded. -- Blars Blarson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.blars.org/blars.html With Microsoft, failure is not an option. It is a standard feature. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
zzz haha wrote: >>Is there a bug reported logged so that this will be fixed in the next >>Debian kernel package? > > > i'd like to. :) really busy right now. :) reportbug needs a local smtp > server? is there a standard way to send bug using gmail? Offhand, I'd say that you could go through the motions with reportbug, then copy-n-paste the message it generates into gmail. Then cancel the reportbug message. Try it. :) -Corey -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
> Is there a bug reported logged so that this will be fixed in the next > Debian kernel package? i'd like to. :) really busy right now. :) reportbug needs a local smtp server? is there a standard way to send bug using gmail? thank you z
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On Sun, Jan 01, 2006 at 09:48:59PM +0800, zzz haha wrote: > > Another part of the Debian way is that you rarely need to compile your > > own kernel these days. What did you need to change? > > his (and mine) dma is not enabled. > > :00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. > VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) > > thanks to his try, i compiled my own kernel and enabled dma too now. :) Is there a bug reported logged so that this will be fixed in the next Debian kernel package? Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
> Another part of the Debian way is that you rarely need to compile your > own kernel these days. What did you need to change? his (and mine) dma is not enabled. :00:0f.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) thanks to his try, i compiled my own kernel and enabled dma too now. :)
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On Sat, Dec 31, 2005 at 12:37:12AM +0900, Craig Hagerman wrote: > I am sure most of you will disagree with me but this is one area where > I do NOT like doing things the debian way. Compiling and installing a If you do it ALL the Debian way, it's just fine. You should see your new kernels added into the LILO configuration automatically, or at least the GRUB configuration (preferred to LILO these days). > new kernel to lilo by hand to try it out, knowing the working kernel > is still safe. If you have it update your configuration file automatically you get exactly that. Another part of the Debian way is that you rarely need to compile your own kernel these days. What did you need to change? Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
Craig Hagerman wrote: > I am sure most of you will disagree with me but this is one area where > I do NOT like doing things the debian way. Compiling and installing a > kernel isn't something I do everyday but it is something that can mess > up a system. I don't know what is automagically being done behind the > scenes and I am very uncomfortable with that. I would much rather > follow a manual compile-installation instruction so that I can add the > new kernel to lilo by hand to try it out, knowing the working kernel > is still safe. You can do that easily the Debian way. Debian installs kernels in /boot; just add them to lilo.conf by hand. image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8-smp label=2.6.12-1 read-only initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8-smp Not too hard. Or, even better, apt-get install grub. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On 12/30/05, Craig Hagerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After I copied that bzImage I find that I have no GUI again. For some > reason the nvidia modules is not getting loaded (or found). I have no > idea why. Do I have to do something special with the nvidia module to > get it to work with a newly compiled kernel? it's safe to reinstall nvidia kernel module after installing new kernel. and it's safe to reinstall nvidia x driver after installing new x window. z
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On 12/31/05 12:37:12AM +0900, Craig Hagerman wrote: > Thanks for all the feedback. I tried installing a new kernel the 'debian way': > > % make menuconfig > % make-kpkg > > followed by: > > % dpkg -i kernel_name.deb > > which did everything automatically. Then I restarted ... to find I had > no GUI and no internet. I realized that the automatic install had > renamed my old kernel by appending .old to the name. I was able to add > THAT to lilo.conf by hand and successfully reboot. > I would have thought that both would be available in lilo after the update. But I don't use LILO and I don't let make-kpkg touch my bootloader so I could be wrong. > I am sure most of you will disagree with me but this is one area where > I do NOT like doing things the debian way. Compiling and installing a > kernel isn't something I do everyday but it is something that can mess > up a system. I don't know what is automagically being done behind the > scenes and I am very uncomfortable with that. I would much rather > follow a manual compile-installation instruction so that I can add the > new kernel to lilo by hand to try it out, knowing the working kernel > is still safe. You can still use make-kpkg and have it not touch the symlinks or the bootloader, they're adjustable via kernel-img.conf. Jim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
Thanks for all the feedback. I tried installing a new kernel the 'debian way': % make menuconfig % make-kpkg followed by: % dpkg -i kernel_name.deb which did everything automatically. Then I restarted ... to find I had no GUI and no internet. I realized that the automatic install had renamed my old kernel by appending .old to the name. I was able to add THAT to lilo.conf by hand and successfully reboot. I am sure most of you will disagree with me but this is one area where I do NOT like doing things the debian way. Compiling and installing a kernel isn't something I do everyday but it is something that can mess up a system. I don't know what is automagically being done behind the scenes and I am very uncomfortable with that. I would much rather follow a manual compile-installation instruction so that I can add the new kernel to lilo by hand to try it out, knowing the working kernel is still safe. Having said that ... I now think that I was doing things wrong before. After running make bzImage I saw there was a new file in the /usr/src/linux directory called "vmlinux". I thought THAT was the kernel and tried to copy it to /boot. After some research on the net I now think that the image is actually at /arch/x86_64/boot/bzImage. IS this what was meant by: On 12/27/05, Ernest jw ter Kuile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You're copying the uncompressed kernel. Doesn't work. > Which IS the kernel I am supposed to copy? After I copied that bzImage I find that I have no GUI again. For some reason the nvidia modules is not getting loaded (or found). I have no idea why. Do I have to do something special with the nvidia module to get it to work with a newly compiled kernel? I still can't get internet working (either ethernet or wireless). When I tried to modprobe the relevant modules I got an error saying 'module not found'. But it IS there in the /lib/modules/2.6.14/ directory. What is up with this? Do I have to update the System.map or something else? (I HATE compiling and installing kernels since I don't understand what is going on.) Thanks, Craig
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
Craig Hagerman wrote: > After doing some searching > on the internet I found out that I probably should compile a kernel > with dma support (or at least compiled in as a module). Generally, the relevant modules are already included in the kerlnel-image/linux-image deb... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
Old bug. you should have tryed Google. You're copying the uncompressed kernel. Doesn't work. Don't copy kernel by hand, use make install Ernest. On Monday 26 December 2005 17:02, Craig Hagerman wrote: > Hi, > I asked a question last week about why my computer seems to use the > CPU a lot during disc access. (Like using find, cp etc) Responses led > me to figure out that DMA is not activated. After doing some searching > on the internet I found out that I probably should compile a kernel > with dma support (or at least compiled in as a module). > > My problem is that the resultant kernel image is too big ... at least > that is the complain that lilo keeps giving me. From within the source > directory I do: > > % make dep && make clean && make bzImage & > % make modules > % make modules_install > > then copy the vmlinux image to /boot, add the appropriate lines to > /etc/lilo.conf and then run > > % lilo > > which tells me: > >Fatal: Kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.6.14-dma is too big > > It is 7258373 b. When I started it was about 850 b. I have gone > through make menuconfig a dozen times now, turning off as many options > as possible, choosing to build as a module instead of built in where > possible ... and STILL I am getting an image that lilo complains > about. > > I don't understand this. Am I doing something wrong? or is lilo wrong? > Can anyone tell me the correct way to compile a kernel if I have been > doing it wrong. > > Thanks, > > Craig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On Tue, Dec 27, 2005 at 01:02:05AM +0900, Craig Hagerman wrote: > My problem is that the resultant kernel image is too big ... at least > that is the complain that lilo keeps giving me. From within the source > directory I do: > > % make dep && make clean && make bzImage & I don't know whether it changes anything, but you should use make-kpkg (from the kernel-package package) to build your kernel into a .deb rather than building by hand and dumping into /boot. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new kernel too big for lilo
On Monday 26 December 2005 11:02, Craig Hagerman wrote: > Hi, > I asked a question last week about why my computer seems to use the > CPU a lot during disc access. (Like using find, cp etc) Responses led > me to figure out that DMA is not activated. After doing some searching > on the internet I found out that I probably should compile a kernel > with dma support (or at least compiled in as a module). > > My problem is that the resultant kernel image is too big ... at least > that is the complain that lilo keeps giving me. From within the source > directory I do: > > % make dep && make clean && make bzImage & > % make modules > % make modules_install How have you created the .config file for your kernel? I suggest you boot into a 2.6 kernel that works and extract the config from it as shown below. A 2.6 kernel does not need the make dep and make bzImage is the default using a non root user: cd /your new kernel dir bzcat /proc/config.bz > .config make old_config make clean make become root make modules_install > then copy the vmlinux image to /boot, add the appropriate lines to > /etc/lilo.conf and then run > > % lilo > > which tells me: > >Fatal: Kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.6.14-dma is too big > > It is 7258373 b. When I started it was about 850 b. I have gone > through make menuconfig a dozen times now, turning off as many options > as possible, choosing to build as a module instead of built in where > possible ... and STILL I am getting an image that lilo complains > about. I suspect you have almost everything built into your kernel. Here my 2.6 kernel is about 1.6m (vs your 7.2m). > I don't understand this. Am I doing something wrong? or is lilo wrong? > Can anyone tell me the correct way to compile a kernel if I have been > doing it wrong. Luck Ed Tomlinson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
Russ Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> écrit : > Thank you both for your helpful suggestions. Now that sound is working, > I can turn to other problems - like whether to install a 32-bit chroot for > programs like Mplayer, Mozilla with Java support, etc. If you want to get a 64 bit mplayer version, you can add the following line to your source.list deb http://spello.sscnet.ucla.edu/marillat/ sid main Philippe -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://photos.arnone.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New install - no sound
Kernels 2.6.12 enable something called dmix by default if your soundcard does not support multiple channels. This would allow rhythmbox and xmms to play sounds at the same time without esd/alsa/your sound server. This is a very cool feature that I sorely missed for a long time. Russ Cook wrote: Oops. I reran alsaconf. That killed a process that was running (I don't know what it was). Afterwards, both XMMS and Rythmbox are functional now. Thank you both for your helpful suggestions. Now that sound is working, I can turn to other problems - like whether to install a 32-bit chroot for programs like Mplayer, Mozilla with Java support, etc. Thanks again. I really appreciate your help. Regards, Russ Russ Cook wrote: Len, In /proc/asound I have a symlink CK804 which links to a directory card0. In card0 I have a file named intel8x0 and a directory named codec97#0. There also other files and directories. Connecting to other audio jacks does not appear to help. Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:01:35PM -0600, Russ Cook wrote: I believe I have. As a user, I am a member of the audio group. I can run alsamixer as normal user. Still no sound. I visited this web site for hints - http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html and looked at the list of packages it recommended installing. I noticed that I can't install alsa-modules because it isn't available. I am running testing - does that have any bearing on my problem? You only need alsa-modules for 2.4 kernels. 2.6 kernels have alsa drivers already included. Do you have your card listed in /proc/asound/cards? What sound chip is it? If it is an i8x0 ac97 chip, then try plugging the speakers into the mic jack or other jacks and see if it helps, or turn up the headphone volume. If any of that works, you need to go find out which ac97_quirk option you have to pass to the driver for your hardware. Len Sorensen -- Matthew A. Nicholson Digium -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
Oops. I reran alsaconf. That killed a process that was running (I don't know what it was). Afterwards, both XMMS and Rythmbox are functional now. Thank you both for your helpful suggestions. Now that sound is working, I can turn to other problems - like whether to install a 32-bit chroot for programs like Mplayer, Mozilla with Java support, etc. Thanks again. I really appreciate your help. Regards, Russ Russ Cook wrote: Len, In /proc/asound I have a symlink CK804 which links to a directory card0. In card0 I have a file named intel8x0 and a directory named codec97#0. There also other files and directories. Connecting to other audio jacks does not appear to help. Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:01:35PM -0600, Russ Cook wrote: I believe I have. As a user, I am a member of the audio group. I can run alsamixer as normal user. Still no sound. I visited this web site for hints - http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html and looked at the list of packages it recommended installing. I noticed that I can't install alsa-modules because it isn't available. I am running testing - does that have any bearing on my problem? You only need alsa-modules for 2.4 kernels. 2.6 kernels have alsa drivers already included. Do you have your card listed in /proc/asound/cards? What sound chip is it? If it is an i8x0 ac97 chip, then try plugging the speakers into the mic jack or other jacks and see if it helps, or turn up the headphone volume. If any of that works, you need to go find out which ac97_quirk option you have to pass to the driver for your hardware. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
Len, In /proc/asound I have a symlink CK804 which links to a directory card0. In card0 I have a file named intel8x0 and a directory named codec97#0. There also other files and directories. Connecting to other audio jacks does not appear to help. Lennart Sorensen wrote: On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:01:35PM -0600, Russ Cook wrote: I believe I have. As a user, I am a member of the audio group. I can run alsamixer as normal user. Still no sound. I visited this web site for hints - http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html and looked at the list of packages it recommended installing. I noticed that I can't install alsa-modules because it isn't available. I am running testing - does that have any bearing on my problem? You only need alsa-modules for 2.4 kernels. 2.6 kernels have alsa drivers already included. Do you have your card listed in /proc/asound/cards? What sound chip is it? If it is an i8x0 ac97 chip, then try plugging the speakers into the mic jack or other jacks and see if it helps, or turn up the headphone volume. If any of that works, you need to go find out which ac97_quirk option you have to pass to the driver for your hardware. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
Following your suggestion, I ran gstreamer-properties and set the options to use alsa (I have no idea yet what gstreamer is, my learning curve looks like Mt Everest). Rythmbox now gives the error 'ALSA device "default" is already in use by another program' and also 'Could not pause playback'. Additionally, XMMS no longer works now. I get the error message 'Couldn't open audio'. Thank you for your patience and assistance. Matthew A. Nicholson wrote: Use gstreamer-properties to make gstreamer use alsa. Russ Cook wrote: Partial success. After installing the programs I could find from the referenced list, XMMS now works. Rythmbox 0.8.8 still fails with the error message 'Could not create audio output element; check your setting'. Russ Cook wrote: I believe I have. As a user, I am a member of the audio group. I can run alsamixer as normal user. Still no sound. I visited this web site for hints - http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html and looked at the list of packages it recommended installing. I noticed that I can't install alsa-modules because it isn't available. I am running testing - does that have any bearing on my problem? Matthew A. Nicholson wrote: You didn't follow my directions... First make sure you are part of the audio group, you generally should just "be root". adduser mynamehere audio Then run alsamixer as that user and make sure the sound is at a resonable level. If it works as root then it should work as user if you have the right permissions. You should not need to manually run esd. Russ Cook wrote: Udev was already installed - I confirmed with Aptitude. Executing the command 'modprobe snd_intel8x0' made no difference. When I click on volume control under the sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "No volume control elements and/or devices found." When I try to play a file using Rythmbox 0.8.8, I get the message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings".When I clicked on the "volume monitor" under the Sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "Cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompt." From a terminal as root, I execute esd, and get a momentary tone sequence. I then tried again to play a file under Rythmbox, and get the same error message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings". This certainly appears to be a configuration issue, but I don't know what the problem is or how to fix it. As always, any help or pointers to references would be greatly appreciated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
Use gstreamer-properties to make gstreamer use alsa. Russ Cook wrote: Partial success. After installing the programs I could find from the referenced list, XMMS now works. Rythmbox 0.8.8 still fails with the error message 'Could not create audio output element; check your setting'. Russ Cook wrote: I believe I have. As a user, I am a member of the audio group. I can run alsamixer as normal user. Still no sound. I visited this web site for hints - http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html and looked at the list of packages it recommended installing. I noticed that I can't install alsa-modules because it isn't available. I am running testing - does that have any bearing on my problem? Matthew A. Nicholson wrote: You didn't follow my directions... First make sure you are part of the audio group, you generally should just "be root". adduser mynamehere audio Then run alsamixer as that user and make sure the sound is at a resonable level. If it works as root then it should work as user if you have the right permissions. You should not need to manually run esd. Russ Cook wrote: Udev was already installed - I confirmed with Aptitude. Executing the command 'modprobe snd_intel8x0' made no difference. When I click on volume control under the sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "No volume control elements and/or devices found." When I try to play a file using Rythmbox 0.8.8, I get the message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings".When I clicked on the "volume monitor" under the Sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "Cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompt." From a terminal as root, I execute esd, and get a momentary tone sequence. I then tried again to play a file under Rythmbox, and get the same error message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings". This certainly appears to be a configuration issue, but I don't know what the problem is or how to fix it. As always, any help or pointers to references would be greatly appreciated. -- Matthew A. Nicholson Digium -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 07:01:35PM -0600, Russ Cook wrote: > I believe I have. As a user, I am a member of the audio group. I can > run alsamixer as normal user. Still no sound. I visited this web site > for hints - > http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html and looked at the list of > packages it recommended installing. I noticed that I can't install > alsa-modules because it isn't available. I am running testing - does > that have > any bearing on my problem? You only need alsa-modules for 2.4 kernels. 2.6 kernels have alsa drivers already included. Do you have your card listed in /proc/asound/cards? What sound chip is it? If it is an i8x0 ac97 chip, then try plugging the speakers into the mic jack or other jacks and see if it helps, or turn up the headphone volume. If any of that works, you need to go find out which ac97_quirk option you have to pass to the driver for your hardware. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
Partial success. After installing the programs I could find from the referenced list, XMMS now works. Rythmbox 0.8.8 still fails with the error message 'Could not create audio output element; check your setting'. Russ Cook wrote: I believe I have. As a user, I am a member of the audio group. I can run alsamixer as normal user. Still no sound. I visited this web site for hints - http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html and looked at the list of packages it recommended installing. I noticed that I can't install alsa-modules because it isn't available. I am running testing - does that have any bearing on my problem? Matthew A. Nicholson wrote: You didn't follow my directions... First make sure you are part of the audio group, you generally should just "be root". adduser mynamehere audio Then run alsamixer as that user and make sure the sound is at a resonable level. If it works as root then it should work as user if you have the right permissions. You should not need to manually run esd. Russ Cook wrote: Udev was already installed - I confirmed with Aptitude. Executing the command 'modprobe snd_intel8x0' made no difference. When I click on volume control under the sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "No volume control elements and/or devices found." When I try to play a file using Rythmbox 0.8.8, I get the message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings".When I clicked on the "volume monitor" under the Sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "Cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompt." From a terminal as root, I execute esd, and get a momentary tone sequence. I then tried again to play a file under Rythmbox, and get the same error message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings". This certainly appears to be a configuration issue, but I don't know what the problem is or how to fix it. As always, any help or pointers to references would be greatly appreciated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
I believe I have. As a user, I am a member of the audio group. I can run alsamixer as normal user. Still no sound. I visited this web site for hints - http://xtronics.com/reference/Debian-sound.html and looked at the list of packages it recommended installing. I noticed that I can't install alsa-modules because it isn't available. I am running testing - does that have any bearing on my problem? Matthew A. Nicholson wrote: You didn't follow my directions... First make sure you are part of the audio group, you generally should just "be root". adduser mynamehere audio Then run alsamixer as that user and make sure the sound is at a resonable level. If it works as root then it should work as user if you have the right permissions. You should not need to manually run esd. Russ Cook wrote: Udev was already installed - I confirmed with Aptitude. Executing the command 'modprobe snd_intel8x0' made no difference. When I click on volume control under the sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "No volume control elements and/or devices found." When I try to play a file using Rythmbox 0.8.8, I get the message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings".When I clicked on the "volume monitor" under the Sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "Cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompt." From a terminal as root, I execute esd, and get a momentary tone sequence. I then tried again to play a file under Rythmbox, and get the same error message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings". This certainly appears to be a configuration issue, but I don't know what the problem is or how to fix it. As always, any help or pointers to references would be greatly appreciated. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
On Sun, Dec 11, 2005 at 08:53:09AM -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > Russ Cook wrote: > > > I have an ASUS A8N32 SLI Deluxe motherboard with an AMD4800 dual core > > processor. I believe the audio is Realtek ALC850. I performed a > > clean install from unstable from > > http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main. My > > system is up and running, and I have been performing apt-get update > > and upgrade periodically. My kernel is > > vmlinuz-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8-smp. My problem is that I don't have any > > sound from the system. Attached is the output from 'lsmod'. The > > utility 'Discover' is installed. Can anyone offer some pointers? > > This will seem weird, but try plugging your speakers in another jack - > the microphone or the line out one. I have a similar board, and sound is > output through the microphone jack, not the speaker jack. I still don't > know why. Because intel and others @[EMAIL PROTECTED] with the AC97 standard. The snd-intel8x0 driver has a quirks option that allows for rearanging that stupidity back to normal. parm: ac97_quirk:AC'97 workaround for strange hardware. (array of charp) You might have to look at pci/ac97/ac97_codec.c for a list of valid quirk options. For a realtek ALC chip the option ac97_quirk=alc_jack might be useful (it appears to enable the auto jack select feature of those chips). There are also quirks for swapping master/headphone volume controls which seems to be needed on some systems. AC97 is a real mess. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
You didn't follow my directions... First make sure you are part of the audio group, you generally should just "be root". adduser mynamehere audio Then run alsamixer as that user and make sure the sound is at a resonable level. If it works as root then it should work as user if you have the right permissions. You should not need to manually run esd. Russ Cook wrote: Udev was already installed - I confirmed with Aptitude. Executing the command 'modprobe snd_intel8x0' made no difference. When I click on volume control under the sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "No volume control elements and/or devices found." When I try to play a file using Rythmbox 0.8.8, I get the message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings".When I clicked on the "volume monitor" under the Sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "Cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompt." From a terminal as root, I execute esd, and get a momentary tone sequence. I then tried again to play a file under Rythmbox, and get the same error message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings". This certainly appears to be a configuration issue, but I don't know what the problem is or how to fix it. As always, any help or pointers to references would be greatly appreciated. -- Matthew A. Nicholson Matt-Land.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
Udev was already installed - I confirmed with Aptitude. Executing the command 'modprobe snd_intel8x0' made no difference. When I click on volume control under the sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "No volume control elements and/or devices found." When I try to play a file using Rythmbox 0.8.8, I get the message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings".When I clicked on the "volume monitor" under the Sound and Video menu item of Gnome, I get the error message "Cannot connect to sound daemon. Please run 'esd' at a command prompt." From a terminal as root, I execute esd, and get a momentary tone sequence. I then tried again to play a file under Rythmbox, and get the same error message "Could not create audio output element; check your settings". This certainly appears to be a configuration issue, but I don't know what the problem is or how to fix it. As always, any help or pointers to references would be greatly appreciated. Matthew A. Nicholson wrote: Install udev, modprobe snd_intel8x0, use alsamixer to adjust your volume, enjoy your sound. Simple. :) Russ Cook wrote: Thanks much for the reply. I did NOT have the alsa-utils installed. I thought I had, and that the system was configured. I have now installed alsa-utils, alsa-base, and alsa-oss, and run alsaconf. My modules and /dev do not match yours. You can tell by now that I am not expert at this. I will compile my own kernel once I get everything up and running, so I have a fall-back in case I incorrectly set some options for the custom kernel. Any further pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. Russ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
Russ Cook wrote: > I have an ASUS A8N32 SLI Deluxe motherboard with an AMD4800 dual core > processor. I believe the audio is Realtek ALC850. I performed a > clean install from unstable from > http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main. My > system is up and running, and I have been performing apt-get update > and upgrade periodically. My kernel is > vmlinuz-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8-smp. My problem is that I don't have any > sound from the system. Attached is the output from 'lsmod'. The > utility 'Discover' is installed. Can anyone offer some pointers? This will seem weird, but try plugging your speakers in another jack - the microphone or the line out one. I have a similar board, and sound is output through the microphone jack, not the speaker jack. I still don't know why. -- "Oh what wouldn't I give to be spat at in the face..." -- a prisoner in "Life of Brian" Eduardo M KALINOWSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://move.to/hpkb -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
Install udev, modprobe snd_intel8x0, use alsamixer to adjust your volume, enjoy your sound. Simple. :) Russ Cook wrote: Thanks much for the reply. I did NOT have the alsa-utils installed. I thought I had, and that the system was configured. I have now installed alsa-utils, alsa-base, and alsa-oss, and run alsaconf. My modules and /dev do not match yours. You can tell by now that I am not expert at this. I will compile my own kernel once I get everything up and running, so I have a fall-back in case I incorrectly set some options for the custom kernel. Any further pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. Russ -- Matthew A. Nicholson Matt-Land.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New install - no sound
Thanks much for the reply. I did NOT have the alsa-utils installed. I thought I had, and that the system was configured. I have now installed alsa-utils, alsa-base, and alsa-oss, and run alsaconf. My modules and /dev do not match yours. You can tell by now that I am not expert at this. I will compile my own kernel once I get everything up and running, so I have a fall-back in case I incorrectly set some options for the custom kernel. Any further pointers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. Russ Michael Langley wrote: On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:11:23 -0600 Russ Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have an ASUS A8N32 SLI Deluxe motherboard with an AMD4800 dual core processor. I believe the audio is Realtek ALC850. I performed a clean install from unstable from http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main. My system is up and running, and I have been performing apt-get update and upgrade periodically. My kernel is vmlinuz-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8-smp. My problem is that I don't have any sound from the system. Attached is the output from 'lsmod'. The utility 'Discover' is installed. Can anyone offer some pointers? Thanks much, Russ I'm assuming you have alsaconf, alsamixer and alsactl installed (alsa-utils) and the proper devices in /dev to use your hardware. You might also want to install alsa-oss and alsa-base. I also have Realtek onboard audio with the ALC850 chip. I always build my own kernel and the latest version of alsa. I have alsa 1.0.10 installed with kernel 2.6.14.3 that I built myself. Below is the modules I am using for alsa. snd_seq_oss38436 0 snd_seq_midi 10240 0 snd_rawmidi30752 1 snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event 9152 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq61400 5 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq_device 10192 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd_intel8x0 37096 0 snd_ac97_codec108220 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_bus2880 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss58400 0 snd_mixer_oss 19584 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 104012 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 28040 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd68096 10 snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer snd_page_alloc 12112 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm soundcore 12320 1 snd This is what my /dev looks like. 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/adsp -> adsp0 0 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 12 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/adsp0 0 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 28 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/adsp1 0 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 44 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/adsp2 0 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 60 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/adsp3 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/dsp -> dsp0 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 3 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/dsp0 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 19 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/dsp1 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 35 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/dsp2 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 51 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/dsp3 You might try running alsaconf to detect your card or alsamixer to make sure your levels aren't all the way down. Other than that I don't know what to tell you. But the ALC850 chip definitely works with alsa. From alsamixer: Card: ALi M5455 Chip: Realtek ALC850 rev 0 snd_intel8x0 38784 0 snd_ac97_codec 91588 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_pcm_oss59360 0 snd_mixer_oss 21120 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 106632 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 29256 1 snd_pcm snd64800 6 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 13600 1 snd snd_page_alloc 13832 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 12 2005-12-10 18:41 /dev/adsp crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 4 2005-12-10 18:41 /dev/audio crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 3 2005-12-10 18:41 /dev/dsp
Re: New install - no sound
On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 17:11:23 -0600 Russ Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have an ASUS A8N32 SLI Deluxe motherboard with an AMD4800 dual core > processor. I believe the audio is Realtek ALC850. I performed a clean > install from unstable from > http://mirror.espri.arizona.edu/debian-amd64/debian/ testing main. My > system is up and running, and I have been performing apt-get update and > upgrade periodically. My kernel is vmlinuz-2.6.12-1-amd64-k8-smp. My > problem is that I don't have any sound from the system. Attached is the > output from 'lsmod'. The utility 'Discover' is installed. Can anyone > offer some pointers? > > Thanks much, > Russ > I'm assuming you have alsaconf, alsamixer and alsactl installed (alsa-utils) and the proper devices in /dev to use your hardware. You might also want to install alsa-oss and alsa-base. I also have Realtek onboard audio with the ALC850 chip. I always build my own kernel and the latest version of alsa. I have alsa 1.0.10 installed with kernel 2.6.14.3 that I built myself. Below is the modules I am using for alsa. snd_seq_oss38436 0 snd_seq_midi 10240 0 snd_rawmidi30752 1 snd_seq_midi snd_seq_midi_event 9152 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi snd_seq61400 5 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq_device 10192 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq snd_intel8x0 37096 0 snd_ac97_codec108220 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_bus2880 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm_oss58400 0 snd_mixer_oss 19584 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 104012 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 28040 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd68096 10 snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer snd_page_alloc 12112 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm soundcore 12320 1 snd This is what my /dev looks like. 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/adsp -> adsp0 0 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 12 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/adsp0 0 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 28 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/adsp1 0 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 44 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/adsp2 0 crw-rw 1 root audio 14, 60 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/adsp3 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/dsp -> dsp0 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 3 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/dsp0 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 19 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/dsp1 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 35 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/dsp2 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio 14, 51 Nov 25 21:17 /dev/dsp3 You might try running alsaconf to detect your card or alsamixer to make sure your levels aren't all the way down. Other than that I don't know what to tell you. But the ALC850 chip definitely works with alsa. >From alsamixer: Card: ALi M5455 Chip: Realtek ALC850 rev 0 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New package
On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 05:20:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Srry, I did not test the mentionend programs. I just found the configuration > of xhkeys just easy and it useful for all keyborads with additional > functions. I had the idea in my mind, if this program will be liked by others > (who do not know it yet, because it seems very unknown, as I saw in the > mailing lists) , it could establish a set of preconfigured samples of > keyboards. This would have been my second idea to the community. > > And as there was just a rpm-package and no debian-package avalable, I did it > by myself and built one. > > I know, it could be not perfect, so I asked for support. It is my first try, > to build a package. It is always the first time. :) Well did you place the source package somewhere? Even if it isn't accepted you could always gets tips on anything you should do different next time you build a package. Or you can get confirmation that you already did everything right. > Yes, you are right. Sorry, I didn't know it better. So please forget my > mails. Well debian does seem to be all about having choices, so packaging new stuff is generally welcome. Hopefully you can find someone to sponsor the package. Why else do we have a dozen or so mail server packages availble. :) Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New package
Am Donnerstag, 20. Oktober 2005 16:32 schrieb Lennart Sorensen: > On Thu, Oct 20, 2005 at 01:48:15PM +0200, Hans wrote: > > I have build a new package. It is named "xhkeys", the program is under th > > e GPL. > > > > Well, as I am not the really maintainer, I still would like to release it > > into the repository. > > > > What does it do ? > > > > xhkeys can bind any keystroke to a self chosen program or action. It is > > very useful for notebooks and special keyboards with special keys, just > > like "email", "browser" "volume up" "volume down" etc. so it is highly > > configurable. > > > > Is anyone interested ? The package was build for amd64, so 32-bit should > > work as well. > > How is that program different/better than xbindkeys and keylaunch which > are already in debian? Srry, I did not test the mentionend programs. I just found the configuration of xhkeys just easy and it useful for all keyborads with additional functions. I had the idea in my mind, if this program will be liked by others (who do not know it yet, because it seems very unknown, as I saw in the mailing lists) , it could establish a set of preconfigured samples of keyboards. This would have been my second idea to the community. And as there was just a rpm-package and no debian-package avalable, I did it by myself and built one. I know, it could be not perfect, so I asked for support. It is my first try, to build a package. It is always the first time. :) > > There is always room for new and better programs, but we can do without > programs that aren't improvements and just cause redundancy. :) Yes, you are right. Sorry, I didn't know it better. So please forget my mails. > > The web page for xhkeys does make it sound pretty neat though. > > Len Sorensen Best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
