amd64 security - was Re: X.org and NVidia
On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 09:51 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: GOMBAS Gabor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 09:24:42AM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: I think staying with testing is the best thing to do for non-developers anyways. Has the problem of security updates been solved for testing? If not, using testing is worse than using sid (breakage of a dependency may keep an important security update out of testing for a looong time). Esp. for non-developers who do not tend to know too much about security issues... Gabor If you have security concerns neither testing nor sid is acceptable. MfG Goswin I'm sorry to say that if you have security concerns, the whole amd64 port is not acceptable so far :( It is more than one month after the release of amd64 stable, and security support is still lacking. Moreover http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ is falsely saying the opposite. Pavel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: amd64 security - was Re: X.org and NVidia
Pavel Jurus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm sorry to say that if you have security concerns, the whole amd64 port is not acceptable so far :( It is more than one month after the release of amd64 stable, and security support is still lacking. Moreover http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ is falsely saying the opposite. Pavel Yeah, right along with you. But there is nothing the amd64 port can do there as we don't have access to the security infrastructure. Buggin the person responsible every day is not going to help. All we can do is wait. As a team we try to put all security uploads into sarge-proposed-updates meanwhile. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and NVidia
On 7/20/05, Alexander Jede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,i have installed x.org and would like to use the nvidia-driver for mynvidia GPU.Trying to install nvidia-glx, I get a dependence problem. nvidia-glxneeds : nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or libglu but it is not installable or libglu1But xlibmesa-glu is in conflict with libglu1-xorg.Trying to force the installation of nvidia-glx it works fine. Onlyapt-get shows me the dependencies problems.Is it a problem of the liblu1, that it does not contain the libglu1-xorg? I found recently that glx is not yet included in Debian Sid's X.org, there is a bug report somewhere in the Debian X.org transition team area (sorry, I don't remember the exact location). For me it looks like that for now you can't use glx with the current x.org release in sid. -- Best regards / Mit den besten GrüssenSven Krahn
Re: X.org and NVidia
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 09:44 +0200, Alexander Jede wrote: Hi, i have installed x.org and would like to use the nvidia-driver for my nvidia GPU. Trying to install nvidia-glx, I get a dependence problem. nvidia-glx needs : nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or libglu but it is not installable or libglu1 But xlibmesa-glu is in conflict with libglu1-xorg. Trying to force the installation of nvidia-glx it works fine. Only apt-get shows me the dependencies problems. Is it a problem of the liblu1, that it does not contain the libglu1-xorg? Thanks Alexander I have the same issues, dependencies are totally broken coz of xlibmesa-glu and libglu1. I have actually installed libglu1-xorg, however, other programs' don't seems to notice that. very strange. Does anyone know when these issues will be resolved? Thanks Andrei signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: X.org and NVidia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 20.07.2005 11:30:21, Andrei Mikhailovsky a écrit : On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 09:44 +0200, Alexander Jede wrote: Hi, i have installed x.org and would like to use the nvidia-driver for my nvidia GPU. Trying to install nvidia-glx, I get a dependence problem. nvidia-glx needs : nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or libglu but it is not installable or libglu1 But xlibmesa-glu is in conflict with libglu1-xorg. Trying to force the installation of nvidia-glx it works fine. Only apt-get shows me the dependencies problems. Is it a problem of the liblu1, that it does not contain the libglu1-xorg? Thanks Alexander I have the same issues, dependencies are totally broken coz of xlibmesa-glu and libglu1. I have actually installed libglu1-xorg, however, other programs' don't seems to notice that. very strange. Does anyone know when these issues will be resolved? Maybe these other programs [tm] need to be relinked against the new libs and their dependancies rewritten. You can get one of the source of one of them (apt-get source other program) and check and edit debian/control too mach the new libraries. Sometimes, doing so, you get a cascade effect with the libs... Thanks Andrei Good Luck Jean-Luc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC3hx8Xit3lz9m7V4RAthEAJ9HDfsnbEy4PKv2+JXBXbKyqgdrMQCgzngq TT8RJu3509cHPHw10KHi6SM= =srZ4 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: X.org and NVidia
Is there a trick, that I can use apt-get as usual and not get this message: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or libglu but it is not installable or libglu1 E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. Thanks for help. Alexander -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and NVidia
Alexander Jede [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a trick, that I can use apt-get as usual and not get this message: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or libglu but it is not installable or libglu1 E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. Thanks for help. Alexander That is just plain and simple the C++ transition. Package: libglu1-xorg Provides: libglu1c2 ^^ Although that transition was unneccesary and I think will be reversed (Provides: libglu1, libglu1c2) in the next upload as libglu1-xorg only provides a C abi to its c++ internas. MfG Goswin PS: Unstable is called unstable for a reason. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and NVidia
On Wed, 2005-07-20 at 12:01 +0200, Alexander Jede wrote: Is there a trick, that I can use apt-get as usual and not get this message: Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: xlibmesa-glu but it is not installed or libglu but it is not installable or libglu1 E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. Thanks for help. Alexander apt-get -f install wants to uninstall half of my X programs, such as gnome, kde and a bunch of other useful things, which is not an option The following packages will be REMOVED: alsamixergui bittorrent-gui fgfs-base flightgear freeglut3 gnome gnome-desktop-environment gxine k3b kcontrol kdelibs4-dev kdepim-dev konqueror libarts1-dev libfltk1.1c102 libgle3 libglut3 libkcal2-dev libkdepim1-dev libkgantt0-dev libkleopatra0-dev libkpimexchange1-dev libksieve0-dev libktnef1-dev libmimelib1-dev libopenexr-dev libopengl-perl libqt3-mt-dev libwxgtk2.4 libwxgtk2.4-1 libwxgtk2.4-contrib libwxgtk2.4-dev libwxgtk2.4-python libxine1 planetpenguin-racer plib1.8.3 plib1.8.4 totem totem-xine tuxracer vegastrike vegastrike-data vegastrike-music x-window-system x-window-system-core xine-ui xlibmesa-glu-dev xpp xscreensaver-gl 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 49 to remove and 40 not upgraded. Is there any other way? Or waiting for debian developers to fix these issues is the only way? Many thanks, -- Andrei signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: X.org and NVidia
On 7/20/05, Andrei Mikhailovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any other way? Or waiting for debian developers to fix theseissues is the only way? This is what in my opinion Goswin meant by 'Welcome to sid!' in two or three other threads. If you are running sid you must expect such dependency issues to happen (though I agree this is quite a complex situation right now). If you are not actively working on and supporting the transition the only thing - with regards to sid - is to wait. Because the current issues affect basically everybody using sid (+x.org +kde) I suppose people are heavily working on it and a resolution will come soon. I found a working way for myself by falling back to testing (etch), installing both x.org and KDE 3.4.1 from Ubuntu (on a different partition) which also allows me to use the Nvidia driver incl. glx. This at least allows me to continue my 'reglular desktop use' of the system until everything has been sorted out in sid. As soon as the transitions in sid are done (i.e. x.org and the kde dependencies), and a dist-upgrade will clean up everything on my sid partition, I will switch back to that environment again. -- Best regards / Mit den besten GrüssenSven Krahn
Re: X.org and NVidia
Sven Krahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 7/20/05, Andrei Mikhailovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any other way? Or waiting for debian developers to fix these issues is the only way? This is what in my opinion Goswin meant by 'Welcome to sid!' in two or three other threads. If you are running sid you must expect such dependency issues to happen (though I agree this is quite a complex situation right now). If you are not actively working on and supporting the transition the only thing - with regards to sid - is to wait. Because the current issues affect basically everybody using sid (+x.org +kde) I suppose people are heavily working on it and a resolution will come soon. I found a working way for myself by falling back to testing (etch), installing both x.org and KDE 3.4.1 from Ubuntu (on a different partition) which also allows me to use the Nvidia driver incl. glx. This at least allows me to continue my 'reglular desktop use' of the system until everything has been sorted out in sid. As soon as the transitions in sid are done (i.e. x.org and the kde dependencies), and a dist-upgrade will clean up everything on my sid partition, I will switch back to that environment again. -- Best regards / Mit den besten Grüssen Sven Krahn You can recompile the nvidia-glx yourself too if that is the only problem you hit in sid. But if you aren't sure about that, then staying with etch till the transition moves there in one big jump is the best thing to do. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and NVidia
Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can recompile the nvidia-glx yourself too if that is the only problem you hit in sid. But if you aren't sure about that, then staying with etch till the transition moves there in one big jump is the best thing to do. I think staying with testing is the best thing to do for non-developers anyways. In general testing is not that far behind unstable. Was it two weeks that packages need to be without severe bugs in unstable to migrate to testing? Packages that don't migrate usually have some problems. What you get in return is a much more stable system especially during transitions like the current ones. And KDE 3.3 and XFree86 are not that terrible that I could not wait a couple more weeks. And if you really need a package from unstable you can install it on testing without problems in most cases. At least without more problems than you have with running unstable. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and NVidia
Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Goswin von Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can recompile the nvidia-glx yourself too if that is the only problem you hit in sid. But if you aren't sure about that, then staying with etch till the transition moves there in one big jump is the best thing to do. I think staying with testing is the best thing to do for non-developers anyways. In general testing is not that far behind unstable. Was it two weeks that packages need to be without severe bugs in unstable to migrate to testing? Packages that don't migrate usually have some problems. What you get in return is a much more stable system especially during transitions like the current ones. And KDE 3.3 and XFree86 are not that terrible that I could not wait a couple more weeks. 2-10 days. And if you really need a package from unstable you can install it on testing without problems in most cases. At least without more problems than you have with running unstable. Matthias MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and NVidia
On Wed, Jul 20, 2005 at 09:24:42AM -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: I think staying with testing is the best thing to do for non-developers anyways. Has the problem of security updates been solved for testing? If not, using testing is worse than using sid (breakage of a dependency may keep an important security update out of testing for a looong time). Esp. for non-developers who do not tend to know too much about security issues... Gabor -- - MTA SZTAKI Computer and Automation Research Institute Hungarian Academy of Sciences - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X.org and NVidia
GOMBAS Gabor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has the problem of security updates been solved for testing? If not, using testing is worse than using sid (breakage of a dependency may keep an important security update out of testing for a looong time). Esp. for non-developers who do not tend to know too much about security issues... Well, if you are concerned about security you probably should stay with stable. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
