Re: X86_64 on Shuttle-XPC ST20G5
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 04:37:52PM -0800, Andrew Sharp wrote: > That's just too funny. > This is pure rationalizing of all the hassles you've had to go through > to get nvidia video cards working. Christ, you have to get a kernel > module built and installed every time you make yourself a new kernel, > what a PITA. I've got an ATI X300SE PCIe on my system, came right up > with X when I installed etch, it works fast and furious, I didn't have > to do anything except answer a couple of questions from debconf (or > whatever) when it was installing. All the bending and twisting I've > read on this list to get nvidia video cards working make me laugh when > I hear ignorant comments like this. I've got a laptop with an nvidia > controller, and I have to go throught the nvidia pain all the time. > With this version of the driver, fonts are funky, with that version of > the driver, you can't use kernel version xxx ... it's never ending. It takes less than 1 minute to make an nvidia card work on Debian in general. Newer kernels sometimes require going and grabbing the debs for the nvidia driver from experimental, but at least there are newer drivers that work. It took a while before anyone got ati's drivers to even compile with 2.6.12 when it came out. ATI has burned me enough times over the years with crap driver support so I have learned to stay away from them. > As for their chipset chips, I've no experience so I won't say anything. > Perhaps they suck ~:^) My amd64 system (Tyan K8WE) is fabulous with the > nforce4 chipset, I must say. > > To get 3d working, it's a bit of work regardless of which you choose. > For for fast and easy as pie 2d, ATI just works. So does nvidia, actually I have had much more luck getting nvidia chips to just work with the nv driver than I have had with ati chips (especially mobile chips). Until very recently I couldn't get the ati on a dell d610 to work at all except by loading the radeonfb driver and running X on that (and then the console was screwed). Neither the ati radeon driver in xfree86 or the fglrx driver had any support for the chip until a few months ago. Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X86_64 on Shuttle-XPC ST20G5
Am Samstag, 19. November 2005 07:36 schrieb Cameron Patrick: > Andrew Sharp wrote: > > what a PITA. I've got an ATI X300SE PCIe on my system, came right up > > with X when I installed etch, it works fast and furious, I didn't have > > to do anything except answer a couple of questions from debconf (or > > whatever) when it was installing. > > To get 3d working, it's a bit of work regardless of which you choose. > > For for fast and easy as pie 2d, ATI just works. > > FWIW this has also been my experience. With an X300 (and Radeon <= 9250) > you should have 3D acceleration too - thanks to the capital-F Free drivers > written by ATI and included as part of the kernel/Xfree/Xorg. The > low-end Radeons and Intel i8xx/i9xx are my graphics chipsets of choice > for this reason. isn't x300 newer (advanced) than x200 ? what is your setup of your graphics in xorg.conf ? I've heard that the newer beta driver from alsa-project.org shall support the realtech alc880 chipset. btw. the answer I got from shuttle support was approximately translated : "Do not use such exotic chipsets like ati or nvidia on linux, use intel" ;-)) -- mit freundlichem Gruss -- regards Thomas Drillich Heugasse 4 / D-55116 Mainz / Germany fon +49 (0)6131 570 26 21 fax +49 (0)180 506 033 437 443 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X86_64 on Shuttle-XPC ST20G5
Andrew Sharp wrote: > what a PITA. I've got an ATI X300SE PCIe on my system, came right up > with X when I installed etch, it works fast and furious, I didn't have > to do anything except answer a couple of questions from debconf (or > whatever) when it was installing. ... > To get 3d working, it's a bit of work regardless of which you choose. > For for fast and easy as pie 2d, ATI just works. FWIW this has also been my experience. With an X300 (and Radeon <= 9250) you should have 3D acceleration too - thanks to the capital-F Free drivers written by ATI and included as part of the kernel/Xfree/Xorg. The low-end Radeons and Intel i8xx/i9xx are my graphics chipsets of choice for this reason. Cameron. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: X86_64 on Shuttle-XPC ST20G5
On Fri, Nov 18, 2005 at 03:23:40PM -0500, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 03:49:52PM +0100, Thomas Drillich wrote: > > debian runs on that machine but suboptimal, here are some notes I send > > to the manufacturer support: > > > > ATI XPress 200 graphics: > > Currently the usage of X is only possible with the standard vesa > > module of the Xorg 6.8.2 server. If I use the ati fglrx driver the > > monitor flickers on every redraw, a multiple horizontal movement > > of the contents on the Monitor on every update of contents inside a > > window. > > It's an ati, that is how support for ati usually is in my experience. > Eventually they get it to work. > > > Hardware: > > ST20G5 BIOS: update on ft20s016 > > sata-hdd: Maxtor 6L200MD > > sata-dvd: Plextor Px-716sa (not useable) > > CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 dual core Processor 3800+ stepping 02 > > RAM: 2Gbyte -- 2x 1024MB Infineon DDR400 CL3 > > Kbd: Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 > > Mouse: Logitech MouseMan Wheel at USB (not useable) > > Monitor: Philips 180P2 at DVI port > > Chipset: ULI 1573 > > > > Software: > > Linux 2.6.14 > > Debian Etch > > Xorg server 6.8.2 > > > > may you have Ideas to get rid of these problems > > Never buy anything with ATI chips on it. Especially to run linux. > Quite seriously. I won't. :) That's just too funny. This is pure rationalizing of all the hassles you've had to go through to get nvidia video cards working. Christ, you have to get a kernel module built and installed every time you make yourself a new kernel, what a PITA. I've got an ATI X300SE PCIe on my system, came right up with X when I installed etch, it works fast and furious, I didn't have to do anything except answer a couple of questions from debconf (or whatever) when it was installing. All the bending and twisting I've read on this list to get nvidia video cards working make me laugh when I hear ignorant comments like this. I've got a laptop with an nvidia controller, and I have to go throught the nvidia pain all the time. With this version of the driver, fonts are funky, with that version of the driver, you can't use kernel version xxx ... it's never ending. As for their chipset chips, I've no experience so I won't say anything. Perhaps they suck ~:^) My amd64 system (Tyan K8WE) is fabulous with the nforce4 chipset, I must say. To get 3d working, it's a bit of work regardless of which you choose. For for fast and easy as pie 2d, ATI just works. Cheers, a -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X86_64 on Shuttle-XPC ST20G5
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 03:49:52PM +0100, Thomas Drillich wrote: > debian runs on that machine but suboptimal, here are some notes I send > to the manufacturer support: > > sata support: sata_uli > If the raid switch is turned off in the bios, the linux kernel module > sata_uli detects the hard disc only after a second load. Only if the > bios switch for raid is turned on its possible to boot from sata > drive. In both modes it's not possible to detect my Plextor PX-716SA > sata dvd-writer. SATA ATAPI support is not yet completed in linux. Unless you edit a kernel header file and recompile with experimental incomplete SATA ATAPI in libata or you go get some not yet finished patches to apply, you can't use SATA ATAPI devices in linux yet. Well unless my info is out of date. > The company ULI offers sata module for older kernels (current is >2.6.14) on their website, but on the need to boot from sata drive the > module must be included in the kernel and cannot be loaded > afterwards. Certainly sounds odd. Either the driver isn't initializing the chip correctly, or the bios sets it up wrong. Weird. I have only heard of uli sata chips on ati chipset boards, which have plenty of other problems, enough for me to steer way clear of those. > usb: > My Logitech mouse at the usb port flickers, the drivers where > constantly loded and and unloaded. At first it seems like a break > inside the mouse cable, but I could elimate that, by using that mouse > at another computer. Therefore it must be a bug in the usb driver, > take a look at the syslog abstract below to see how that makes the use >of a mouse at that port impossible. Strange. Never had a problem with my usb logitech mice on any machine. Then again, I have never had a machine with ati/uli chips on it. > sound: > With snd-hda-intel module for the Realtech ALC 880 sound component of > the ST20G5, only the Line out exit at the back is usable. Headphones > and Microphone ports are unusable. Might be a limitation in the driver, wrong alsamixer settings, or a bug. > acpi: > The kernel could only start with acpi and apic off, otherwise the > kernel stops at boot. > Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda2 bootkbd=qwertz/de acpi=off > noapic ro console=tty0 Sounds like acpi bios bugs, although the kernel code is still going through many changes in that area so who knows. > ATI XPress 200 graphics: > Currently the usage of X is only possible with the standard vesa > module of the Xorg 6.8.2 server. If I use the ati fglrx driver the > monitor flickers on every redraw, a multiple horizontal movement > of the contents on the Monitor on every update of contents inside a > window. It's an ati, that is how support for ati usually is in my experience. Eventually they get it to work. > Hardware: > ST20G5 BIOS: update on ft20s016 > sata-hdd: Maxtor 6L200MD > sata-dvd: Plextor Px-716sa (not useable) > CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 dual core Processor 3800+ stepping 02 > RAM: 2Gbyte -- 2x 1024MB Infineon DDR400 CL3 > Kbd: Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 > Mouse: Logitech MouseMan Wheel at USB (not useable) > Monitor: Philips 180P2 at DVI port > Chipset: ULI 1573 > > Software: > Linux 2.6.14 > Debian Etch > Xorg server 6.8.2 > > may you have Ideas to get rid of these problems Never buy anything with ATI chips on it. Especially to run linux. Quite seriously. I won't. :) Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X86_64 on Shuttle-XPC ST20G5
Thomas Drillich wrote: > The company ULI offers sata module for older kernels (current is >2.6.14) on their website, but on the need to boot from sata drive the > module must be included in the kernel and cannot be loaded > afterwards. Unless their is something special about their module, you could use an initrd/initramfs/whatever. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
