Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
Hi, Am Montag, den 18.07.2005, 14:19 +0200 schrieb GOMBAS Gabor: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 12:33:12PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Packages should not depend on any kernel, since many people run their own. However, I just don't understand why the package has been published at all, since even in experimental there is no 2.6.12. Because people already using 2.6.12 need it, since the previous udev (more precisely, libsysfs that udev uses) had a bug which was exposed by the 2.6.12 kernel. If they use a non-distribution-kernel, then they can also build a non-distribution-udev. It's not useful to break the distribution for that reason. Bye, ratti -- -o) fontlinge | Fontmanagement for Linux | Schriftenverwaltung in Linux /\\ http://freshmeat.net/projects/fontlinge/ _\_V http://www.gesindel.de https://sourceforge.net/projects/fontlinge/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 05:22:34PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: I can't imagine how it's a good idea to upload a package which depends on a kernel not available for Debian yet. It was a _very_ good idea since my custom udev rules did not work with kernel 2.6.12 and udev 56, and my pendrive got mounted at the wrong place and with the wrong mount options. It can be argued whether udev 60 should have been uploaded to experimental instead of unstable, but that's the maintainer's choice. Gabor -- - MTA SZTAKI Computer and Automation Research Institute Hungarian Academy of Sciences - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 12:33:12PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Packages should not depend on any kernel, since many people run their own. However, I just don't understand why the package has been published at all, since even in experimental there is no 2.6.12. Because people already using 2.6.12 need it, since the previous udev (more precisely, libsysfs that udev uses) had a bug which was exposed by the 2.6.12 kernel. Gabor -- - MTA SZTAKI Computer and Automation Research Institute Hungarian Academy of Sciences - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
On Mon, Jul 18, 2005 at 02:19:37PM +0200, GOMBAS Gabor wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 12:33:12PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Packages should not depend on any kernel, since many people run their own. However, I just don't understand why the package has been published at all, since even in experimental there is no 2.6.12. Because people already using 2.6.12 need it, That's a pretty small set, so it's not a convincing argument. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 07:02:01AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: You can't. The latest version checks the kernel version in preinst. Did you have 0.062-4? Does that work? apt-get upgrade just installed 0.062-4 on my 2.6.8-11 system without complaint. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 04:13:36PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 07:02:01AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: You can't. The latest version checks the kernel version in preinst. Did you have 0.062-4? Does that work? apt-get upgrade just installed 0.062-4 on my 2.6.8-11 system without complaint. Hmm. The preinst only complains if you had 0.060 before. I upgraded to that earlier in July but never rebooted; now I have 0.062. I guess this is bad, so I'll try to avoid rebooting. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 04:13:36PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 07:02:01AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: You can't. The latest version checks the kernel version in preinst. Did you have 0.062-4? Does that work? apt-get upgrade just installed 0.062-4 on my 2.6.8-11 system without complaint. Hmm. The preinst only complains if you had 0.060 before. I upgraded to that earlier in July but never rebooted; now I have 0.062. I guess this is bad, so I'll try to avoid rebooting. Hamish There might be a bug left there. I think one of the versions since 0.060 didn't have the right check so you could upgrade to that without the right kernel and then upgrade to the current one without check. I will ask the maintainer about this. Thanks for noticing that gap. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
Yes rebooting isn't good! Do the kernel upgrade and you won't have any worries. That is if you don't have heaps of myth/dvb patches to apply :) Regards Ed. On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 16:21 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 04:13:36PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 07:02:01AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: You can't. The latest version checks the kernel version in preinst. Did you have 0.062-4? Does that work? apt-get upgrade just installed 0.062-4 on my 2.6.8-11 system without complaint. Hmm. The preinst only complains if you had 0.060 before. I upgraded to that earlier in July but never rebooted; now I have 0.062. I guess this is bad, so I'll try to avoid rebooting. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 04:35:08PM +1000, Ed wrote: Yes rebooting isn't good! Do the kernel upgrade and you won't have any worries. That is if you don't have heaps of myth/dvb patches to apply :) Not on that box :-| But I'm trying to stick with Debian-supplied kernels where possible. I can't imagine how it's a good idea to upload a package which depends on a kernel not available for Debian yet. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 08:34:00AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 04:13:36PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Hmm. The preinst only complains if you had 0.060 before. I upgraded to that earlier in July but never rebooted; now I have 0.062. I guess this is bad, so I'll try to avoid rebooting. There might be a bug left there. I think one of the versions since 0.060 didn't have the right check so you could upgrade to that without the right kernel and then upgrade to the current one without check. I will ask the maintainer about this. Thanks for noticing that gap. I sent a followup to #317720 about this. I think if you have = 060 you're already hosed. So the logic is that upgrading to 062 won't do you any additional harm. However it would still be nice if it took the opportunity to warn me that my system is currently broken. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 16:21 +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 04:13:36PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 07:02:01AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: You can't. The latest version checks the kernel version in preinst. Did you have 0.062-4? Does that work? apt-get upgrade just installed 0.062-4 on my 2.6.8-11 system without complaint. Hmm. The preinst only complains if you had 0.060 before. I upgraded to that earlier in July but never rebooted; now I have 0.062. I guess this is bad, so I'll try to avoid rebooting. I don't remember it squawking when I recently upgraded my 2.6.10 system from 0.058 to 0.062. Thankfully, my box is plugged into a UPS. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson, LA USA PGP Key ID 8834C06B I prefer encrypted mail. Vanity, my favorite sin. Larry/John/Satan, The Devil's Advocate signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 16.07.2005 09:23:43, Hamish Moffatt a écrit : I have had the problem ofudev not working when I've upgraded. But there is a /dev/.static directoy when running udev which is used as a normal /dev when it doesnt run. So I can run my system with most of the devices working. The only problem was with some hotplugged devices. Regards Jean-Luc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC2MpVXit3lz9m7V4RAvdYAKCu+J3zYRPOA0VKhZKeGN0muBw1UACg93IV l7vWpU8iBhKEDDLf89jfM0E= =6/L4 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
Am Samstag, den 16.07.2005, 17:22 +1000 schrieb Hamish Moffatt: I can't imagine how it's a good idea to upload a package which depends on a kernel not available for Debian yet. Packages should not depend on any kernel, since many people run their own. However, I just don't understand why the package has been published at all, since even in experimental there is no 2.6.12. Bye, Ratti -- -o) fontlinge | Fontmanagement for Linux | Schriftenverwaltung in Linux /\\ http://freshmeat.net/projects/fontlinge/ _\_V http://www.gesindel.de https://sourceforge.net/projects/fontlinge/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 12:28 +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote: On 16/07/2005 Ed wrote: Yes rebooting isn't good! Do the kernel upgrade and you won't have any worries. That is if you don't have heaps of myth/dvb patches to apply :) you have to patch your kernel for mythtv? which patches do you mean? is it only in connection with dvb? i use ivtv modules to use my winTV PVR-350 and i don't use any kernel patches. bye jonas Depends on what card your using. I usually use the Kraxel patches for a Nova-T. Then there are lirc modules that need to be recompiled etc etc. It's not always as simple as apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.x Of course many cards are supported well by the kernel.
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
I can't imagine how it's a good idea to upload a package which depends on a kernel not available for Debian yet. Packages should not depend on any kernel, since many people run their own. However, I just don't understand why the package has been published at all, since even in experimental there is no 2.6.12. Bye, Ratti Hear Hear!!
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 12:33:12PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Am Samstag, den 16.07.2005, 17:22 +1000 schrieb Hamish Moffatt: I can't imagine how it's a good idea to upload a package which depends on a kernel not available for Debian yet. Packages should not depend on any kernel, since many people run their own. However, I just don't understand why the package has been published at all, since even in experimental there is no 2.6.12. Yes I mean depend as in need, not as in Depends: in the package control file. The new udev needs a new kernel. Most users don't have that kernel. It does not seem logical to upload the new udev then. Even if you build your own you should use make-kpkg. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
Hamish Moffatt wrote: On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 12:33:12PM +0200, Joerg Rossdeutscher wrote: Am Samstag, den 16.07.2005, 17:22 +1000 schrieb Hamish Moffatt: I can't imagine how it's a good idea to upload a package which depends on a kernel not available for Debian yet. Packages should not depend on any kernel, since many people run their own. However, I just don't understand why the package has been published at all, since even in experimental there is no 2.6.12. Yes I mean depend as in need, not as in Depends: in the package control file. The new udev needs a new kernel. Most users don't have that kernel. It does not seem logical to upload the new udev then. Even if you build your own you should use make-kpkg. I suppose that's true... For whatever reason, I've never been able to get into the habit of make-kpkg on my individual workstation. It's fantastic for groups of production machines and any situation where consistency is warranted. I wonder if it wouldn't be easier for stock kernel users if there were a convenience script that used equivs to satisfy the kernel dependency, Debian-style, as it were. Given something like that was available and easy to use, from a distribution integrity perspective an explicit Depends: on a kenrel version doesn't seem like such a bad thing for situations like udev. Of course, it only solves the coarse-grained this version is required problem, and not any finer-grained things like the Debian-patched version of the kernel is required. tony -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 10:44:36AM -0700, tony mancill wrote: Hamish Moffatt wrote: Even if you build your own you should use make-kpkg. I suppose that's true... For whatever reason, I've never been able to get into the habit of make-kpkg on my individual workstation. It's fantastic for groups of production machines and any situation where consistency is warranted. I use it just to keep things clean; you can purge and know that everything is gone. Still I suppose it's only a couple of files in /boot, a directory in /lib/modules and an entry in the grub menu. I wonder if it wouldn't be easier for stock kernel users if there were a convenience script that used equivs to satisfy the kernel dependency, Debian-style, as it were. Given something like that was available and easy to use, from a distribution integrity perspective an explicit Depends: on a kenrel version doesn't seem like such a bad thing for situations like udev. Of course, it only solves the coarse-grained this version is required problem, and not any finer-grained things like the Debian-patched version of the kernel is required. Even then, having the kernel installed doesn't mean you are currently running it. Package dependencies on the running kernel will probably never be usable. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt VK3SB [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
I don't usually report these types of problems but this one was particularly nasty. I just had a major disaster by upgrading to udev 0.62. It requires a kernel 2.6.12. After a system reboot my system wouldn't function due to lacking /dev/sda2-5 etc. I sorted it out by coping a new kernel source onto the system and recompiling. Anyway the moral to the story is: Don't install this package unless you have upgraded your kernel Regards Ed.
Re: Upgrading to current udev is disastrous if not on kernel 2.6.12
Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't usually report these types of problems but this one was particularly nasty. I just had a major disaster by upgrading to udev 0.62. It requires a kernel 2.6.12. After a system reboot my system wouldn't function due to lacking /dev/sda2-5 etc. I sorted it out by coping a new kernel source onto the system and recompiling. Anyway the moral to the story is: Don't install this package unless you have upgraded your kernel Regards Ed. You can't. The latest version checks the kernel version in preinst. Did you have 0.062-4? MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
