Re: intel i3 processor
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 04:10:03PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: > > Those work just fine on amd64. I use OpenJDK 6 all the time, and while > I don't use emacs, I'm quite certain I'd have heard if it didn't work. I use emacs regularly on an AMD64 Debian Lenny. It works. -- hendrik -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100722002636.ga31...@topoi.pooq.com
Re: intel i3 processor
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:25:34PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Note that the i386 arch has 64-bit kernels. You get a larger > per-process memory space and more efficient use of .GT. 4GB RAM. Certainly (I run some servers that way). But still no more than 3GB per process when running 32bit applications. Also the application doesn't get to take advantage of the extra registers (but the kernel does). Certainly the 64bit kernel is the right choice on hardware that can run it. Whether you use 32 or 64bit for user space is a different matter. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100720174721.gg2...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: intel i3 processor
On 07/19/2010 09:44 AM, Siddharth Ravikumar wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: If you want to use more than 3GB ram efficiently, or get the most out of your system, use 64bit. For a bit less hassles, use 32bit. I am actually quiet happy with 32bit , but it looks like the future is going to be 64bit. So if I build my comp this year , I will be using it for the next 3 - 4 years or so . I am under a confusion whether to go for 32bit or 64bit. Note that the i386 arch has 64-bit kernels. You get a larger per-process memory space and more efficient use of .GT. 4GB RAM. -- Seek truth from facts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c45dc0e.8070...@cox.net
Re: intel i3 processor
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 05:15:47PM +1000, Dean Hamstead wrote: > Amd64 is also about more general purposes registers in addition to bigger > numbers. > > Generally speaking anything will benefit from more registers, and if a > problem uses the larger int's (or uses a large number library which uses > them) you will experience enormous performance gains. > > More addressable memory helps as well. > > There is 64bit flash bit adobe dropped it. It can be found if you are happy > with the known security problems. > > 8 years of amd64 and counting. I've even asked our redhat rep when 32bit i686 > will be dropped (not any time soon, gar!) i386 has no problem doing 64bit intergers and 64 (and even 80) bit floating point. The difference is in the size of pointers. amd64 has 64bit pointers so each application can use more memory, and it has more general purpose registers (as you said) which helps the compiler optimize better, and it uses SSE for floating point (not x87) which is much faster and more efficient (but drops support for 80 bit floating point, not that anyone cares). Of course the fact you can optimize for amd64 instruction set rather than i486 also makes the compiler happier. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100720143131.ge2...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: intel i3 processor
On 7/20/2010 2:15 AM, Dean Hamstead wrote: There is 64bit flash bit adobe dropped it. It was always a alpha/beta status, never a release. They have said that 64-bit will return, but gave no indication about when or in what form. My personal guess is that there was only ever one guy working on it, and he's too busy. But that is just speculation. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4c4554ae.8080...@allums.com
Re: intel i3 processor
Amd64 is also about more general purposes registers in addition to bigger numbers. Generally speaking anything will benefit from more registers, and if a problem uses the larger int's (or uses a large number library which uses them) you will experience enormous performance gains. More addressable memory helps as well. There is 64bit flash bit adobe dropped it. It can be found if you are happy with the known security problems. 8 years of amd64 and counting. I've even asked our redhat rep when 32bit i686 will be dropped (not any time soon, gar!) Dean On 20/07/2010, at 2:10 AM, "brian m. carlson" wrote: > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 08:07:47PM +0530, Siddharth Ravikumar wrote: >> I don't use Flash and Skpype. I need emacs and Java OpenJDK 6 , these >> are the two most important things . If they are already ported to >> amd64 . Then its good news . > > Those work just fine on amd64. I use OpenJDK 6 all the time, and while > I don't use emacs, I'm quite certain I'd have heard if it didn't work. > > According to [0], all Core i3 models support the amd64 architecture > (which Intel calls Intel 64). Personally, if you don't need proprietary > 32-bit programs, I certainly encourage you to go with amd64: it can > provide small general speed improvements overall as well as very > significant ones in some applications. 32-bit programs can be run very > easily on an amd64 Debian system if they only use libraries installed by > the ia32-libs* packages. > > [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i3_microprocessors > > -- > brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US > +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only > OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/93039f00-dd44-4761-86e2-9df879769...@fragfest.com.au
Re: intel i3 processor
[snip] >> There's somewhat more software that runs on IA-32 than on x86_64. The >> sorts of things that people find missing on x86_64 are: >> >> - Adobe Flash > > Well at the moment 64bit flash is broken but it is possible to install > and use. Flash on linux is in general rather bad though. i run amd64 debian, i use flash for some online games, my solution, I installed ia32libs and installed seamonkey from their website into /usr/local/lib as a 32 bit app and installed the 32bit flash player. moral you can run 32 bit apps ontop of a 64 userland, with the right libraries. Alex [snip[ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktilamzpxjof-ha7jtm8hfgwljijfw-p6ityi2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: intel i3 processor
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 08:14:17PM +0530, Siddharth Ravikumar wrote: > I am actually quiet happy with 32bit , but it looks like the future is > going to be 64bit. So if I build my comp this year , I will be using > it for the next 3 - 4 years or so . I am under a confusion whether to > go for 32bit or 64bit. Well personally I have 64bit on my laptop, my work desktop, and two out of three desktops at home (one is an old athlon so it wasn't an option). So I run 64bit if possible on the hardware. If proprietary binaries are important to you, then you might want 32bit instead. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100719162604.gc2...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: intel i3 processor
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 08:07:47PM +0530, Siddharth Ravikumar wrote: > I don't use Flash and Skpype. I need emacs and Java OpenJDK 6 , these > are the two most important things . If they are already ported to > amd64 . Then its good news . Those work just fine on amd64. I use OpenJDK 6 all the time, and while I don't use emacs, I'm quite certain I'd have heard if it didn't work. According to [0], all Core i3 models support the amd64 architecture (which Intel calls Intel 64). Personally, if you don't need proprietary 32-bit programs, I certainly encourage you to go with amd64: it can provide small general speed improvements overall as well as very significant ones in some applications. 32-bit programs can be run very easily on an amd64 Debian system if they only use libraries installed by the ia32-libs* packages. [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i3_microprocessors -- brian m. carlson / brian with sandals: Houston, Texas, US +1 832 623 2791 | http://www.crustytoothpaste.net/~bmc | My opinion only OpenPGP: RSA v4 4096b: 88AC E9B2 9196 305B A994 7552 F1BA 225C 0223 B187 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: intel i3 processor
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > If you want to use more than 3GB ram efficiently, or get the most out > of your system, use 64bit. For a bit less hassles, use 32bit. I am actually quiet happy with 32bit , but it looks like the future is going to be 64bit. So if I build my comp this year , I will be using it for the next 3 - 4 years or so . I am under a confusion whether to go for 32bit or 64bit. -- http://www.fsf.org/ http://www.gnu.org/ http://en.windows7sins.org/ R.Siddharth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikmetr_sixgxtsx-mheuy3-nm3gobebko4c7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: intel i3 processor
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:28:57AM -0400, Christopher Browne wrote: > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Siddharth Ravikumar > wrote: > > I am planning to build my own computer . I have choosen to use intel > > i3 as my processor , I just want to know whether debian amd64 will be > > the right debian port If am to use intel i3 ? . > > > > i have not yet bought the processor , so I would like to know whether > > 32-bit processor or 64-bit processor is recommended given the fact > > that I use only GNU/Linux based operating system . > > There's somewhat more software that runs on IA-32 than on x86_64. The > sorts of things that people find missing on x86_64 are: > > - Adobe Flash Well at the moment 64bit flash is broken but it is possible to install and use. Flash on linux is in general rather bad though. > - Possibly Skype > - Third party things provided in binary form (e.g. - no sources) > > If you care about those sorts of applications a lot, then that should > certainly influence your decision, probably towards 32 bit. > > If not, then there's still often not *strong* reason to prefer 64 bit > - it's not vastly superior on all kinds of workloads, though there are > considerable advantages for applications that can really use a lot of > memory. If you want to use more than 3GB ram efficiently, or get the most out of your system, use 64bit. For a bit less hassles, use 32bit. -- Len Sorensen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100719143343.gb2...@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Re: intel i3 processor
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Christopher Browne wrote: >> i have not yet bought the processor , so I would like to know whether >> 32-bit processor or 64-bit processor is recommended given the fact >> that I use only GNU/Linux based operating system . > > There's somewhat more software that runs on IA-32 than on x86_64. The > sorts of things that people find missing on x86_64 are: > > - Adobe Flash > - Possibly Skype > - Third party things provided in binary form (e.g. - no sources) > > If you care about those sorts of applications a lot, then that should > certainly influence your decision, probably towards 32 bit. > > If not, then there's still often not *strong* reason to prefer 64 bit > - it's not vastly superior on all kinds of workloads, though there are > considerable advantages for applications that can really use a lot of > memory. I don't use Flash and Skpype. I need emacs and Java OpenJDK 6 , these are the two most important things . If they are already ported to amd64 . Then its good news . -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktinoyakrl67nybf-iy12stedfkwlyjpyr-qt2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: intel i3 processor
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Siddharth Ravikumar wrote: > I am planning to build my own computer . I have choosen to use intel > i3 as my processor , I just want to know whether debian amd64 will be > the right debian port If am to use intel i3 ? . > > i have not yet bought the processor , so I would like to know whether > 32-bit processor or 64-bit processor is recommended given the fact > that I use only GNU/Linux based operating system . There's somewhat more software that runs on IA-32 than on x86_64. The sorts of things that people find missing on x86_64 are: - Adobe Flash - Possibly Skype - Third party things provided in binary form (e.g. - no sources) If you care about those sorts of applications a lot, then that should certainly influence your decision, probably towards 32 bit. If not, then there's still often not *strong* reason to prefer 64 bit - it's not vastly superior on all kinds of workloads, though there are considerable advantages for applications that can really use a lot of memory. -- http://linuxfinances.info/info/linuxdistributions.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktikda-elii6ewqm4hrraty_eap8_hted4psbm...@mail.gmail.com
intel i3 processor
I am planning to build my own computer . I have choosen to use intel i3 as my processor , I just want to know whether debian amd64 will be the right debian port If am to use intel i3 ? . i have not yet bought the processor , so I would like to know whether 32-bit processor or 64-bit processor is recommended given the fact that I use only GNU/Linux based operating system . Thanks for your help ! -- http://www.fsf.org/ http://www.gnu.org/ http://en.windows7sins.org/ R.Siddharth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-amd64-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktilfahxxvhsqosokssblsaeltpiaqku0zhrtm...@mail.gmail.com
