Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 06:40:32PM -0400, Mauricio Tavares wrote: Adding another candidate to the list: DNS 321? Good/bad/debian-friendly? The DNS-323 is/was(?) a good Debian-friendly bit of kit. I don't know about later models; my 323 still works fine for me, and nobody's sent me a newer model to play around with... - Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120807074101.gg2...@hezmatt.org
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
This article claims that the WD MyBook Live uses Debian and is easily rootable: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-howto/31828-fun-with-rsync-and-more-on-the-wd-my-book-live And the bottom of the manufacturer's support page seems to confirm that: http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=902sid=132lang=en/ I don't have any first-hand experience with it. -- Eric Cooper e c c @ c m u . e d u -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120807140309.ga21...@cooper-siegel.org
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
Adding another candidate to the list: DNS 321? Good/bad/debian-friendly? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/501da4e0.9030...@gmail.com
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Rob van der Hoeven robvanderhoe...@ziggo.nl wrote: On Sat, 2012-08-04 at 13:18 +0200, Spitz, Richard wrote: I love my orion based QNAP TS-109, and currently would upgrade to QNAP TS-119 if I would have the need, but QNAP isn't cheap. So maybe the Plug variants mentioned on the page instead. I've been following this discussion with great interest, since I am in a similar situation. What is the real advantage of running Debian on a NAS? I'm presently using a NSLU2 under Debian for collecting and graphing energy data in my home. Now I need a NAS, whose primary purpose is central data storage and backup, while using a minimal amount of energy. I am concerned that running Debian on the NAS and make it take over the NSLU2's tasks might counteract the energy saving features of the NAS, such as disk spindown. Any ideas or experience on this? I'm currently using Debian Squeeze on a QNAP TS-119 (The old fan-less model) for over a year now. My experiences are very good. The system is officially supported by Debian. Installing went very smooth, and most remarkably: I never had any serious problem even though i have a very weird configuration (I'm running several Wordpress blogs inside Linux Containers (LXC)). For me, converting my QNAP TS-119 from a dedicated NAS device into a general purpose computer was definitively worth the trouble. Here's a link to my hardware: http://freedomboxblog.nl/about/hardware/ Just like you, i too am interested in energy consumption. My setup uses You are not alone. A while ago I read about this guy who had a webserver for customers and went from a Sparc box to a laptop and then to a Seagate Dockstar with external drive. And now it is being powered by solar arrays, which also charge the batteries for when sun is not out. I do not think I will has a setup that will use no grid power, but I am trying to be as efficient as I can. about 11 Watt when idle. This could be reduced to 9 Watt if a more energy efficient hard-disk is used. My current hard-disk uses 4.5 Watt I think my Dockstar + external drive -- my backup rig -- use up to 10W. I would like to get a fileserver that is as close to that as possible. when idle. A few months ago i built a 23 Watt Intel desktop system for which i used a wd5000azdx hard-disk that only consumes 2.1 Watt when idle. I think that spinning down the hard-disk in a full Debian system is challenging (impossible for my system that hosts several websites). Advice: buy a hard-disk with low (idle) power consumption. Best regards, Rob. http://freedomboxblog.nl -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1344085684.3161.62.ca...@pentium.freedom.box -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHEKYV7=gzu6oz_ru5j-5+4areyq_jq9sqtqslueip7vr5k...@mail.gmail.com
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On 05/08/12 21:01, Mauricio Tavares wrote:
[...]
You are not alone. A while ago I read about this guy who had a
webserver for customers and went from a Sparc box to a laptop and then
to a Seagate Dockstar with external drive. And now it is being powered
by solar arrays, which also charge the batteries for when sun is not
out. I do not think I will has a setup that will use no grid power,
but I am trying to be as efficient as I can.
I run cowlark.com on a SheevaPlug attached to a terabyte of spinning
disk and 64GB of SSD. It does public-facing SMTP, HTTP, NNTP, IMAP,
answerphone, local DNS, local file serving, spam detection, backups and
a bunch of other things (including Java servlets!). The entire stack,
including disks, ADSL router, wireless router, modem (a repurposed
Amstrad E3), a couple of powered USB hubs and UPS, consumes about 35W.
That's really more than I'd like, but it's still sufficiently small that
it really confuses the UPS capacity measurement algorithms --- it thinks
there's enough battery capacity of 100 minutes, but it's more like 45.
Given that it's rated for 5, I'm not complaining.
The SheevaPlug is more than satisfactory, CPU-wise. I got redditted
once; it didn't even blink. Of course, being plugged into a domestic
ADSL line helps. Hardware-wise, the USB is ever so slightly flaky and it
hangs once a month when the hard disk vanishes.
I suspect that most of the power usage is overhead in using lots of
little power supplies plugged into the same power strip. I'm currently
building a replacement based around a Mele A1000 that runs all off the
same power supply, that should be faster, more reliable and less energy
intensive, but right now the kernel's horribly flaky and it's not usable.
--
┌─── ｄｇ＠ｃｏｗｌａｒｋ．ｃｏｍ ─ http://www.cowlark.com ─
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Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
Am 2012-08-03 20:44, schrieb Timo Jyrinki: 2012/7/20 Nicola Bernardini n...@sme-ccppd.org: I gave up on my NSLU 2 which seems irremediably broken (my guess is that the RAM is botched) and I would like to buy another NAS in that price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. Debian Squeeze would be fine, but I can install Woody if need be. What do you think is a good buy? Being a happy owner of an (now) officially Debian supported NAS device for many years, I wouldn't go for anything else if I'd be upgrading now: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/. In other words, I'd not stare at small megahertz differences etc., just getting the one that has support beginning from installer. I love my orion based QNAP TS-109, and currently would upgrade to QNAP TS-119 if I would have the need, but QNAP isn't cheap. So maybe the Plug variants mentioned on the page instead. I've been following this discussion with great interest, since I am in a similar situation. What is the real advantage of running Debian on a NAS? I'm presently using a NSLU2 under Debian for collecting and graphing energy data in my home. Now I need a NAS, whose primary purpose is central data storage and backup, while using a minimal amount of energy. I am concerned that running Debian on the NAS and make it take over the NSLU2's tasks might counteract the energy saving features of the NAS, such as disk spindown. Any ideas or experience on this? Regards, Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/16829a437f1cf53660d848c3240a9...@webmail.lrz.de
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 01:18:41PM +0200, Spitz, Richard wrote: What is the real advantage of running Debian on a NAS? I'm presently using a NSLU2 under Debian for collecting and graphing energy data in my home. Now I need a NAS, whose primary purpose is central data storage and backup, while using a minimal amount of energy. I am concerned that running Debian on the NAS and make it take over the NSLU2's tasks might counteract the energy saving features of the NAS, such as disk spindown. Any ideas or experience on this? You're asking two separate questions here, and they're completely unrelated. 1) What is the real advantage of running Debian on a NAS? 2) Will doing more things on a machine cause it to use more power? The real advantage of running Debian on a NAS is the same as replacing the shipped OS on any embedded device -- being able to make the device do what *you* want it to do, rather than whatever incomplete set of features the manufacturer decided it could produce for minimal cost. You've already identified one possibility -- data capture and graphing -- but there are so many more. I enjoy the ability to run a *functional* uPnP-AV server, an NFS server, and my choice of centralised backup software on my NAS running Debian. The answer to (2) is almost certainly yes -- non-idle CPU cycles cost power. Depending on what you need to do, though, you don't necessarily need to have the disks spin-up constantly. You could cache data onto a USB stick, and then once a $TIMEPERIOD run a cronjob to take all that cached data and store it to disk (causing the disk to only spin up once per $TIMEPERIOD). I wouldn't rely on a USB stick as primary storage, but as long as you can stand to potentially lose $TIMEPERIOD's worth of data, the risk of using a fairly unreliable means of data storage is acceptable. - Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120804213434.gf2...@hezmatt.org
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
2012/7/20 Nicola Bernardini n...@sme-ccppd.org: I gave up on my NSLU 2 which seems irremediably broken (my guess is that the RAM is botched) and I would like to buy another NAS in that price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. Debian Squeeze would be fine, but I can install Woody if need be. What do you think is a good buy? Being a happy owner of an (now) officially Debian supported NAS device for many years, I wouldn't go for anything else if I'd be upgrading now: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/. In other words, I'd not stare at small megahertz differences etc., just getting the one that has support beginning from installer. I love my orion based QNAP TS-109, and currently would upgrade to QNAP TS-119 if I would have the need, but QNAP isn't cheap. So maybe the Plug variants mentioned on the page instead. -Timo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cajtffxn82ww7hp+xvrm+8g5fb1a7teuvtqbxzazie1syjjd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian? - slightly OT
Le 30/07/2012 19:57, Brian Platt a écrit : Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:24:51 +0100 From: m...@rlogin.net To: debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian? - slightly OT On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:03:15 +0100 Tim Fletcher t...@night-shade.org.uk allegedly wrote: Even powerful modern x86 boxes are still CPU bound with scp so as Tixy says adding scp to the mix complicates the testing. For example I get roughly USB2 wire-speed (30mb/s ish) from my iconnect over iscsi, AoE or nfs but much slower if I use scp or rsync over ssh. -- OK, OK, I picked a bad test. For comparison, here are the results copying from NFS and CIFS mounts alongside the original scp test figures. scp NFS CIFS slug 1.3 MB/s 3.9 MB/s 4.2 MB/s DNS 320 3.6 MB/s 7.6 MB/s 5.6 MB/s I confess I am puzzled by the difference between the two devices using CIFS. I have repeated the tests and get the same results. It seems odd that CIFS should be faster than NFS on the slug, but so much slower on the DNS. I guess that may be down to implementation (or version) differences. Mick - blog: baldric.net fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 Note that I have recently upgraded my GPG key see: http://baldric.net/2012/07/20/gpg-key-upgrade/ - I'm currently seeking an upgrade to my NSLU2 and just bought a Thecus N2100 as you can install a internal wireless adapter via mini-pci slot and also upgrade the RAM to 512MB. Overall has a nice spec * Intel IOP 80219 CPU running at 600 MHz * 2 SATA slots * 1 DDR400 slot, populated with 128 MB RAM * 3 USB 2.0 ports * 2 GBit Ethernet * 1 mini-PCI slot Installation instructions can be found here http://www.cyrius.com/debian/iop/n2100/ I'll let you know how i get on with it. I own four thecus N2100, three on debian. The last one was broken trying to upgrade the redboot firmware with a serial console. I never get sufficient information to plug a jtag, if it is possible, to try to revive it. They all are upgraded with 256 Go DDR. The three debianized n2100 are working 24/24 7/7 and are working well from years. I preffer RaidSonic (debianized) which are sheevaplug based and get faster network transfers. With the 6220 (RaidSonic) I get around 5 MB/s reading with SCP, 50 MB/s reading with NFS. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
RE: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian? - slightly OT
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 17:24:51 +0100 From: m...@rlogin.net To: debian-arm@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian? - slightly OT On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:03:15 +0100 Tim Fletcher t...@night-shade.org.uk allegedly wrote: Even powerful modern x86 boxes are still CPU bound with scp so as Tixy says adding scp to the mix complicates the testing. For example I get roughly USB2 wire-speed (30mb/s ish) from my iconnect over iscsi, AoE or nfs but much slower if I use scp or rsync over ssh. -- OK, OK, I picked a bad test. For comparison, here are the results copying from NFS and CIFS mounts alongside the original scp test figures. scp NFS CIFS slug 1.3 MB/s3.9 MB/s4.2 MB/s DNS 320 3.6 MB/s7.6 MB/s5.6 MB/s I confess I am puzzled by the difference between the two devices using CIFS. I have repeated the tests and get the same results. It seems odd that CIFS should be faster than NFS on the slug, but so much slower on the DNS. I guess that may be down to implementation (or version) differences. Mick - blog: baldric.net fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 Note that I have recently upgraded my GPG key see: http://baldric.net/2012/07/20/gpg-key-upgrade/ - I'm currently seeking an upgrade to my NSLU2 and just bought a Thecus N2100 as you can install a internal wireless adapter via mini-pci slot and also upgrade the RAM to 512MB. Overall has a nice spec Intel IOP 80219 CPU running at 600 MHz2 SATA slots1 DDR400 slot, populated with 128 MB RAM3 USB 2.0 ports2 GBit Ethernet1 mini-PCI slot Installation instructions can be found here http://www.cyrius.com/debian/iop/n2100/ I'll let you know how i get on with it.
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 22:16 +0100, mick wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:47:47 +0100 Tixy t...@yxit.co.uk allegedly wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 20:39 +0100, mick wrote: Depends what you mean by fast. But in real world usage (pulling a video file from store) it is about three times faster than an NSLU2. Consider the following tests using scp to grab a 1.1 GB video file (so some overhead in the encryption as opposed to a straight wire copy) In my experience the encryption and other overheads from ssh are a bit more than 'some'. Just tested a big file copy from my Sheevaplug and I get 6MB/s from scp, and 38MB/s over nfs. :-) Yep - but both devices were treated the same. The point is the comparison between the two devices. The slug has a slow CPU, little memory and slow networking hardware. The DNS is faster (but not, I'll concede, fast). True. I guess the point I was thinking of is that when using ssh things may well be limited by CPU performance, which, if the usecase you care about is a NAS using say nfa, then something with a slower CPU but better i/o (disk, network) may be more suitable. I'm not saying that this is the case for the devices under discussion, just putting it forward as a consideration. -- Tixy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1343374461.3088.4.ca...@computer2.home
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On 27 Jul 2012, at 08:34, Tixy t...@yxit.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 22:16 +0100, mick wrote: On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:47:47 +0100 Tixy t...@yxit.co.uk allegedly wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 20:39 +0100, mick wrote: Depends what you mean by fast. But in real world usage (pulling a video file from store) it is about three times faster than an NSLU2. Consider the following tests using scp to grab a 1.1 GB video file (so some overhead in the encryption as opposed to a straight wire copy) In my experience the encryption and other overheads from ssh are a bit more than 'some'. Just tested a big file copy from my Sheevaplug and I get 6MB/s from scp, and 38MB/s over nfs. :-) Yep - but both devices were treated the same. The point is the comparison between the two devices. The slug has a slow CPU, little memory and slow networking hardware. The DNS is faster (but not, I'll concede, fast). True. I guess the point I was thinking of is that when using ssh things may well be limited by CPU performance, which, if the usecase you care about is a NAS using say nfa, then something with a slower CPU but better i/o (disk, network) may be more suitable. I'm not saying that this is the case for the devices under discussion, just putting it forward as a consideration. Even powerful modern x86 boxes are still CPU bound with scp so as Tixy says adding scp to the mix complicates the testing. For example I get roughly USB2 wire-speed (30mb/s ish) from my iconnect over iscsi, AoE or nfs but much slower if I use scp or rsync over ssh. -- Sent from a mobile device Tim Fletcher -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/d5c22d11-6761-4808-b5c0-1978b18cb...@night-shade.org.uk
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian? - slightly OT
On Fri, 27 Jul 2012 09:03:15 +0100 Tim Fletcher t...@night-shade.org.uk allegedly wrote: Even powerful modern x86 boxes are still CPU bound with scp so as Tixy says adding scp to the mix complicates the testing. For example I get roughly USB2 wire-speed (30mb/s ish) from my iconnect over iscsi, AoE or nfs but much slower if I use scp or rsync over ssh. -- OK, OK, I picked a bad test. For comparison, here are the results copying from NFS and CIFS mounts alongside the original scp test figures. scp NFS CIFS slug1.3 MB/s3.9 MB/s4.2 MB/s DNS 320 3.6 MB/s7.6 MB/s5.6 MB/s I confess I am puzzled by the difference between the two devices using CIFS. I have repeated the tests and get the same results. It seems odd that CIFS should be faster than NFS on the slug, but so much slower on the DNS. I guess that may be down to implementation (or version) differences. Mick - blog: baldric.net fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 Note that I have recently upgraded my GPG key see: http://baldric.net/2012/07/20/gpg-key-upgrade/ - signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:49 PM, mick m...@rlogin.net wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:24:42 -0400 Mauricio Tavares raubvo...@gmail.com allegedly wrote: What about the DNS320? I have been thinking on getting one and seeing how it would play with debian or openwrt. Thoughts? Good cheap choice. I got mine for about GBP 45.00 unpopulated (I already had one 1TB disk and simply added another). Debian can be installed if you follow Jamie Lentin's advice at http://jamie.lentin.co.uk/devices/dlink-dns325/ or you can simply install in a chroot if you go the fonz-plug route http://nas-tweaks.net/40/installation-of-the-fonz-funplug-0-5-for-ch3snas-ch3mnas-dns-323-and-many-more/ The fonz-plug option allows you to keep the original firmware if that is your preference. Mick That's good to know. Next time they are on sale I might snatch me one. How fast is it? - blog: baldric.net fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 Note that I have recently upgraded my GPG key see: http://baldric.net/2012/07/20/gpg-key-upgrade/ - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahekyv4phikadv7nk4j+muewmqvcienkpslcaenj+og_mbj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 4:42 AM, Nicola Bernardini n...@sme-ccppd.org wrote: Sorry list, I can imagine this question has been asked many times, but the answer changes with time and browsing this list and related resources I cannot find a sufficiently recent (let's say1 year) answer to it. well ironically the ReadyNAS 2000-200 (aka Duo v2) was just being investigated! it's the one with the marvell armada 300 1.6ghz Sheeva, so has 2x SATA, 10/100/1000 ethernet, and comes with a 256mb DDR1 (D D R ONE not TWO and certainly not THREE) SO-DIMM RAM module as standard. a number of people have reported success at upgrading to 1gb DDR1 (D D R ONE not TWO not THREE) SO-DIMM module. they're still available at only £99 inc. free shipping on ebuyer.com - e.g. http://www.ebuyer.com/290545 l. p.s. although the marvell armada 300 apparently can go up to DDR3 and 3gb of RAM unfortunately nobody seems to be doing these ARM processors justice. blargh. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAPweEDy0o-trZdWKt73eLmqmDHwrh76=_9wi+qg9axnoxmv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 14:02:47 -0400 Mauricio Tavares raubvo...@gmail.com allegedly wrote: On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:49 PM, mick m...@rlogin.net wrote: On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:24:42 -0400 Mauricio Tavares raubvo...@gmail.com allegedly wrote: What about the DNS320? I have been thinking on getting one and seeing how it would play with debian or openwrt. Thoughts? Good cheap choice. I got mine for about GBP 45.00 unpopulated (I already had one 1TB disk and simply added another). Debian can be installed if you follow Jamie Lentin's advice at http://jamie.lentin.co.uk/devices/dlink-dns325/ or you can simply install in a chroot if you go the fonz-plug route http://nas-tweaks.net/40/installation-of-the-fonz-funplug-0-5-for-ch3snas-ch3mnas-dns-323-and-many-more/ The fonz-plug option allows you to keep the original firmware if that is your preference. Mick That's good to know. Next time they are on sale I might snatch me one. How fast is it? Depends what you mean by fast. But in real world usage (pulling a video file from store) it is about three times faster than an NSLU2. Consider the following tests using scp to grab a 1.1 GB video file (so some overhead in the encryption as opposed to a straight wire copy) NSLU2 mick@home:/tmp$ time scp slug:/home/mick/videos/video-leo.mp4 . video-leo.mp4 100% 1093MB 1.3MB/s 14:16 real14m18.425s user0m52.451s sys 0m15.109s DNS320 mick@home:/tmp$ time scp nas:/home/mick/videos/video-leo.mp4 . video-leo.mp4 100% 1093MB 3.6MB/s 05:00 real5m0.248s user0m52.327s sys 0m13.797s The slugs have really slow network ports. I find the DNS plenty fast enough to stream video to my Archos android tablet. Mick - blog: baldric.net fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 Note that I have recently upgraded my GPG key see: http://baldric.net/2012/07/20/gpg-key-upgrade/ - signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 20:39 +0100, mick wrote: Depends what you mean by fast. But in real world usage (pulling a video file from store) it is about three times faster than an NSLU2. Consider the following tests using scp to grab a 1.1 GB video file (so some overhead in the encryption as opposed to a straight wire copy) In my experience the encryption and other overheads from ssh are a bit more than 'some'. Just tested a big file copy from my Sheevaplug and I get 6MB/s from scp, and 38MB/s over nfs. -- Tixy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1343335667.3042.6.ca...@computer2.home
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On Thu, 26 Jul 2012 21:47:47 +0100 Tixy t...@yxit.co.uk allegedly wrote: On Thu, 2012-07-26 at 20:39 +0100, mick wrote: Depends what you mean by fast. But in real world usage (pulling a video file from store) it is about three times faster than an NSLU2. Consider the following tests using scp to grab a 1.1 GB video file (so some overhead in the encryption as opposed to a straight wire copy) In my experience the encryption and other overheads from ssh are a bit more than 'some'. Just tested a big file copy from my Sheevaplug and I get 6MB/s from scp, and 38MB/s over nfs. :-) Yep - but both devices were treated the same. The point is the comparison between the two devices. The slug has a slow CPU, little memory and slow networking hardware. The DNS is faster (but not, I'll concede, fast). - blog: baldric.net fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 Note that I have recently upgraded my GPG key see: http://baldric.net/2012/07/20/gpg-key-upgrade/ - signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 02:37:17AM +0100, Wookey wrote: +++ Nicola Bernardini [2012-07-20 05:42 +0200]: I gave up on my NSLU 2 which seems irremediably broken (my guess is that the RAM is botched) and I would like to buy another NAS in that price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. Debian Squeeze would be fine, but I can install Woody if need be. What do you think is a good buy? The solidrun Cubox is nice hardware: http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox/ Available new for $140, with real SATA (external drive) and world-class tiny. Non-free Vivante GPU could be annoying for media purposes but irrelvant for NAS-type activities. In fact, I was already thinking of taking advantage of the hdmi interface to make it *also* be a streaming media server for my children (a must these days). Would it be annoying in that sense? 1Gb RAM will be an enjoyable step up from the 32MB of a SLUG :-) - Should keep you going for quite a few years. I've seen one running Ubuntu already so Debian should be fine, but I think at this moment in time you'll need to use a non-stock kernel: http://www.solid-run.com/mw/index.php/Debian_on_CuBox I'd expect that to get fixed reasonably quickly. Others have given plenty of sensible options - it seems we are spoiled for choice these days. If someone wanted to summarise this lot somewhere on the Debian Wiki, that would be useful. I take this opportunity to really thank everybody who took the time to respond. I was already thinking that, since the choice is so wide, I wanted to build a little db of all options to be able to make comparisons. I will try to do this as fast as I can (very busy these days as everybody else), and then I'll post back to have everybody check on the results. Thanks again to all! nicb -- Nicola Bernardini Scuola di Musica Elettronica Conservatorio C.Pollini Padova e-mail: n...@sme-ccppd.org http://www.conservatoriopollini.it http://www.sme-ccppd.org http://www.nicolabernardini.info GPG fingerprint = 6AE6 AF21 E160 D9B3 396E EBAC 906C CFAE 4D65 D910 Neither MS-Word nor MS-PowerPoint attachments please. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120724200933.GD9997@eeepc-1215B
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On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Nicola Bernardini n...@sme-ccppd.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 02:37:17AM +0100, Wookey wrote: +++ Nicola Bernardini [2012-07-20 05:42 +0200]: I gave up on my NSLU 2 which seems irremediably broken (my guess is that the RAM is botched) and I would like to buy another NAS in that price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. Debian Squeeze would be fine, but I can install Woody if need be. What do you think is a good buy? The solidrun Cubox is nice hardware: http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox/ Available new for $140, with real SATA (external drive) and world-class tiny. Non-free Vivante GPU could be annoying for media purposes but irrelvant for NAS-type activities. In fact, I was already thinking of taking advantage of the hdmi interface to make it *also* be a streaming media server for my children (a must these days). Would it be annoying in that sense? 1Gb RAM will be an enjoyable step up from the 32MB of a SLUG :-) - Should keep you going for quite a few years. I've seen one running Ubuntu already so Debian should be fine, but I think at this moment in time you'll need to use a non-stock kernel: http://www.solid-run.com/mw/index.php/Debian_on_CuBox I'd expect that to get fixed reasonably quickly. Others have given plenty of sensible options - it seems we are spoiled for choice these days. If someone wanted to summarise this lot somewhere on the Debian Wiki, that would be useful. I take this opportunity to really thank everybody who took the time to respond. I was already thinking that, since the choice is so wide, I wanted to build a little db of all options to be able to make comparisons. I will try to do this as fast as I can (very busy these days as everybody else), and then I'll post back to have everybody check on the results. Thanks again to all! What about the DNS320? I have been thinking on getting one and seeing how it would play with debian or openwrt. Thoughts? nicb -- Nicola Bernardini Scuola di Musica Elettronica Conservatorio C.Pollini Padova e-mail: n...@sme-ccppd.org http://www.conservatoriopollini.it http://www.sme-ccppd.org http://www.nicolabernardini.info GPG fingerprint = 6AE6 AF21 E160 D9B3 396E EBAC 906C CFAE 4D65 D910 Neither MS-Word nor MS-PowerPoint attachments please. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120724200933.GD9997@eeepc-1215B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHEKYV5Vi3WwXKa7aT_Kdt+hdb6VAdxE1E==4py3-x-qdbs...@mail.gmail.com
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2012 16:24:42 -0400 Mauricio Tavares raubvo...@gmail.com allegedly wrote: What about the DNS320? I have been thinking on getting one and seeing how it would play with debian or openwrt. Thoughts? Good cheap choice. I got mine for about GBP 45.00 unpopulated (I already had one 1TB disk and simply added another). Debian can be installed if you follow Jamie Lentin's advice at http://jamie.lentin.co.uk/devices/dlink-dns325/ or you can simply install in a chroot if you go the fonz-plug route http://nas-tweaks.net/40/installation-of-the-fonz-funplug-0-5-for-ch3snas-ch3mnas-dns-323-and-many-more/ The fonz-plug option allows you to keep the original firmware if that is your preference. Mick - blog: baldric.net fingerprint: FC23 3338 F664 5E66 876B 72C0 0A1F E60B 5BAD D312 Note that I have recently upgraded my GPG key see: http://baldric.net/2012/07/20/gpg-key-upgrade/ - signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
* DrEagle drea...@doukki.net [2012-07-20 13:28]: Is there any plan to support *officialy* the raidsonic IB 62x0 from IcyBox in Debian ? I'm not aware of any plans but it shouldn't be too hard. May be it will be a good idea to engage a official support in debian ? How can I help ? Take a look at the patches Ian Campbell recently submitted for the DreamPlug: backport IB 62x0 support to the Debian kernel, add support in flash-kernel and some other debian-installer components. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120722155356.gl27...@jirafa.cyrius.com
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Nicola Bernardini wrote: I would like to buy another NAS in that [NSLU 2] price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. There is the Excito B3. Granted, it is more expensive (300 EUR), but in my experience a great device. The company seems very Debian friendly, and the device is running standard Debian out of the box - with the small exceptions of a custom installer, custom kernel and some bonus packages, which all comes with source code too. http://www.excito.com/ -- Fredrik Jonson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120721071352.ga17...@jonson.org
RE: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
Sorry list, I can imagine this question has been asked many times, but the answer changes with time and browsing this list and related resources I cannot find a sufficiently recent (let's say1 year) answer to it. I gave up on my NSLU 2 which seems irremediably broken (my guess is that the RAM is botched) and I would like to buy another NAS in that price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. Debian Squeeze would be fine, but I can install Woody if need be. What do you think is a good buy? To qualify further my question, I was looking at something like the XTreamer ETrayz http://www.xtreamer.net/etrayz/specs.aspx, but that machine is no longer in production and I don't even know if Debian can be installed over it. I would be Kirkwood all the way. I currently have a Netgear Stora, which is a Kirkwood device, with 2 internal 2.5 drive bays, only available used currently I think). It's a nice device. It only has 128MB RAM, which is OK for Squeeze (squeeze installer and instructions available at openstora.com), but seems to be tight for Wheezy. I am currently investigating the Zyxel NSA310 which has 256MB RAM and 1x 3.5 bay and an eSATA port, prices look reasonable (£70ish no drive, new). If you can make do with USB only an Iomega iConnect has 256MB RAM but again is only available used (I have one too). Easy to turn into an wireless AP too (internal mini-PCIe slot, which you could repurpose for SATA I suppose), again installer available at openstora.com . Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/00a401cd664c$b8ba09c0$2a2e1d40$@co.uk
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
* Nicola Bernardini n...@sme-ccppd.org [2012-07-20 05:42]: I gave up on my NSLU 2 which seems irremediably broken (my guess is that If you want to replace a NSLU2, I recommend either a SheevaPlug or an eSATA SheevaPlug. They are both supported by Debian squeeze and wheezy: http://cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/ If you want a proper NAS that's supported by Debian, I suggest one of the QNAP devices: all TS-11x, TS-21x and TS-41x models are supported by Debian squeeze and wheezy: http://cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/qnap/ -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120720091706.gc27...@jirafa.cyrius.com
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Nicola, On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 05:42:30AM +0200, Nicola Bernardini wrote: [...] and I would like to buy another NAS in that price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. Debian Squeeze would be fine, [...] Thank you for all your replies, To be complete, perhaps should one mention that the Intel SS4000-E Nas Server is available on ebay in the USA, new without disks, for 125 $. The seller has 90 boxes available. SS4000-E isn't the fastest one (XScale 400 Mhz - it's even a bit slow localy in a LAN), and was an expensive bad joke with the original firmware, but with Debian on it (Squeeze runs fine) it works very well for things like remote backup through the net, were raw speed is not important. The hardware quality is of a good level and, while there is perhaps better choice, you can't go totaly wrong with this box at this price for a four bay nas. Hih, -- JFS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120720111600.ga4...@jones.jfs.dt
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Hi Martin, Is there any plan to support *officialy* the raidsonic IB 62x0 from IcyBox in Debian ? For now it is already supported by the denx uboot and will be in the next linux kernel. I have already one which runs debian squeeze with few tweaks. I'll soon upgrade another from the stock (fedora) firmware with a fresh install (uboot, debian and custom linux-next). May be it will be a good idea to engage a official support in debian ? How can I help ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/500940e7.5020...@doukki.net
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If you just want a simple and cheap NSLU2 replacement, have you thought about a RaspberryPi? With a simple cardboard case (see their forum), for a small amount you can use it as a NAS. Works fine for me ;-) Regards, Frank Op 20 jul. 2012 05:49 schreef Nicola Bernardini n...@sme-ccppd.org het volgende: Sorry list, I can imagine this question has been asked many times, but the answer changes with time and browsing this list and related resources I cannot find a sufficiently recent (let's say1 year) answer to it. I gave up on my NSLU 2 which seems irremediably broken (my guess is that the RAM is botched) and I would like to buy another NAS in that price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. Debian Squeeze would be fine, but I can install Woody if need be. What do you think is a good buy? To qualify further my question, I was looking at something like the XTreamer ETrayz http://www.xtreamer.net/etrayz/specs.aspx, but that machine is no longer in production and I don't even know if Debian can be installed over it. Thank you for all your replies, nicb -- Nicola Bernardini e-mail: nic.b...@tiscali.it http://www.nicolabernardini.info GPG fingerprint = 6AE6 AF21 E160 D9B3 396E EBAC 906C CFAE 4D65 D910 Neither MS-Word nor MS-PowerPoint attachments please. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120720034229.GB6493@eeepc-1215B
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+++ Nicola Bernardini [2012-07-20 05:42 +0200]: I gave up on my NSLU 2 which seems irremediably broken (my guess is that the RAM is botched) and I would like to buy another NAS in that price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. Debian Squeeze would be fine, but I can install Woody if need be. What do you think is a good buy? The solidrun Cubox is nice hardware: http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox/ Available new for $140, with real SATA (external drive) and world-class tiny. Non-free Vivante GPU could be annoying for media purposes but irrelvant for NAS-type activities. 1Gb RAM will be an enjoyable step up from the 32MB of a SLUG :-) - Should keep you going for quite a few years. I've seen one running Ubuntu already so Debian should be fine, but I think at this moment in time you'll need to use a non-stock kernel: http://www.solid-run.com/mw/index.php/Debian_on_CuBox I'd expect that to get fixed reasonably quickly. Others have given plenty of sensible options - it seems we are spoiled for choice these days. If someone wanted to summarise this lot somewhere on the Debian Wiki, that would be useful. Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Emdebian, Wookware, Balloonboard, ARM http://wookware.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120721013717.gq26...@dream.aleph1.co.uk
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Nicola Bernardini n...@sme-ccppd.org wrote: Sorry list, I can imagine this question has been asked many times, but the answer changes with time and browsing this list and related resources I cannot find a sufficiently recent (let's say1 year) answer to it. I gave up on my NSLU 2 which seems irremediably broken (my guess is that the RAM is botched) and I would like to buy another NAS in that price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. Debian Squeeze would be fine, but I can install Woody if need be. What do you think is a good buy? To qualify further my question, I was looking at something like the XTreamer ETrayz http://www.xtreamer.net/etrayz/specs.aspx, but that machine is no longer in production and I don't even know if Debian can be installed over it. Thank you for all your replies, nicb I don't know if you would considder this modern enough, but I have had good luck with my HP MV2120 that I picked up for about $30 on ebay. You will need to supply a drive and a power supply in addition to the basic unit. I am running Wheezy on mine and it is used to run rsnapshot,apcupsd and soon dnsmasq (that one is still on the Slug it replaced). -- Henry von Tresckow (hvontres) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/caea7u+lu1pyppnjxuzp1fnjs0g32rbwfmunn_ehtt0kkfwv...@mail.gmail.com
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On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 09:19:38PM -0700, Hans Henry von Tresckow wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Nicola Bernardini n...@sme-ccppd.org wrote: Sorry list, I can imagine this question has been asked many times, but the answer changes with time and browsing this list and related resources I cannot find a sufficiently recent (let's say1 year) answer to it. I gave up on my NSLU 2 which seems irremediably broken (my guess is that the RAM is botched) and I would like to buy another NAS in that price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. Debian Squeeze would be fine, but I can install Woody if need be. What do you think is a good buy? To qualify further my question, I was looking at something like the XTreamer ETrayz http://www.xtreamer.net/etrayz/specs.aspx, but that machine is no longer in production and I don't even know if Debian can be installed over it. Thank you for all your replies, nicb I don't know if you would considder this modern enough, but I have had good luck with my HP MV2120 that I picked up for about $30 on ebay. You will need to supply a drive and a power supply in addition to the basic unit. I am running Wheezy on mine and it is used to run rsnapshot,apcupsd and soon dnsmasq (that one is still on the Slug it replaced). Thank you Henry! Just to specify: by modern I just mean that I still can find it somewhere to buy it, nothing else. Thanks again, nicb -- Nicola Bernardini e-mail: nic.b...@tiscali.it http://www.nicolabernardini.info GPG fingerprint = 6AE6 AF21 E160 D9B3 396E EBAC 906C CFAE 4D65 D910 Neither MS-Word nor MS-PowerPoint attachments please. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120720043040.GC6493@eeepc-1215B
Re: modern cheap NAS fully supported by Debian?
On 07/20/2012 05:42 AM, Nicola Bernardini wrote: I gave up on my NSLU 2 which seems irremediably broken (my guess is that the RAM is botched) and I would like to buy another NAS in that price range or whereabouts. And of course, I would like to be able to run a full Debian system on it. Debian Squeeze would be fine, but I can install Woody if need be. What do you think is a good buy? I like Marvell Kirkwood based boxes. You have everything from the more expensive guruplug down to cheaper pogoplug v2 and dockstar. GoFlex Home and GoFlex Net only have one usb port, but comes with one or two sata ports. Earlier there where someone selling just the base for GoFlex Homes on ebay really cheap. At least if you're living in the US. http://forum.doozan.com/ is a good source for Debian on those machines. /M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-arm-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5008eaa1.8030...@gmail.com
