cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation/fi by tvainika
Repository: boot-floppies/documentation/fi who:tvainika time: Sat Jun 9 23:31:15 PDT 2001 Log Message: changes from negotiations with Panu Hällfors Files: changed:Tag: potato dictionary.master -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by dwhedon
Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap who:dwhedon time: Sun Jun 10 00:40:32 PDT 2001 Log Message: clean up choose_archive_dir some more, I kinda wish I had never touched it :(, but at least it is cleaner now. I think it should behave the same as in the past, we'll see. Problem repotr generator had some issues as well. Now it works saving to floppy, harddisk or other mounted filesystem. Files: changed:choose_medium.c problem_report.c -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by dwhedon
Repository: boot-floppies/debian who:dwhedon time: Sun Jun 10 00:40:31 PDT 2001 Log Message: clean up choose_archive_dir some more, I kinda wish I had never touched it :(, but at least it is cleaner now. I think it should behave the same as in the past, we'll see. Problem repotr generator had some issues as well. Now it works saving to floppy, harddisk or other mounted filesystem. Files: changed:changelog -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: critical problems in 2.3.5 prevent release
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:53:39PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 01:35:16PM -0500, Stephen R Marenka wrote: According to Richard Hirst, gcc-3.0 (at least for hppa) also has an issue. why is gcc in the base system may i ask? The .deb in question is gcc-3.0-base, comes from gcc-3.0 source. I have included it in debootstrap for hppa because libstdc++3 depends on it. apt depends on libstdc++3, etc. Having said that, slab:/usr/src# dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/gcc-3.0-base_1%3a3.0-0pre010526_all.deb drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-05-27 14:55:16 ./ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-05-27 14:55:15 ./usr/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-05-27 14:55:15 ./usr/share/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-05-27 14:55:15 ./usr/share/doc/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-05-27 14:55:16 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 550 2001-05-27 11:55:05 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/TODO.Debian -rw-r--r-- root/root 2809 2001-04-19 17:12:17 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/copyright -rw-r--r-- root/root 834 2001-02-27 01:08:10 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/README.FIRST -rw-r--r-- root/root 3721 2001-05-27 13:18:53 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/README.Debian.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 26652 2001-05-27 11:37:53 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/changelog.Debian.gz nothing very vital in gcc-3.0-base. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: critical problems in 2.3.5 prevent release
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 11:14:14AM +0100, Richard Hirst wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:53:39PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 01:35:16PM -0500, Stephen R Marenka wrote: According to Richard Hirst, gcc-3.0 (at least for hppa) also has an issue. why is gcc in the base system may i ask? The .deb in question is gcc-3.0-base, comes from gcc-3.0 source. I have included it in debootstrap for hppa because libstdc++3 depends on it. apt depends on libstdc++3, etc. why?? i can think of no reason why a library should depend on a compiler. Having said that, slab:/usr/src# dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/gcc-3.0-base_1%3a3.0-0pre010526_all.deb drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-05-27 14:55:16 ./ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-05-27 14:55:15 ./usr/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-05-27 14:55:15 ./usr/share/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-05-27 14:55:15 ./usr/share/doc/ drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2001-05-27 14:55:16 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/ -rw-r--r-- root/root 550 2001-05-27 11:55:05 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/TODO.Debian -rw-r--r-- root/root 2809 2001-04-19 17:12:17 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/copyright -rw-r--r-- root/root 834 2001-02-27 01:08:10 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/README.FIRST -rw-r--r-- root/root 3721 2001-05-27 13:18:53 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/README.Debian.gz -rw-r--r-- root/root 26652 2001-05-27 11:37:53 ./usr/share/doc/gcc-3.0-base/changelog.Debian.gz nothing very vital in gcc-3.0-base. thats not very useful... why the devil does this package even exist? much less do interactive crap in its postinst? sorry but this looks like more symptom treatment and more disease ignorage. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ PGP signature
Re: critical problems in 2.3.5 prevent release
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 11:14:14AM +0100, Richard Hirst wrote: The .deb in question is gcc-3.0-base, comes from gcc-3.0 source. I have included it in debootstrap for hppa because libstdc++3 depends on it. apt depends on libstdc++3, etc. Not that you've sent me a patch... Having said that, [...] nothing very vital in gcc-3.0-base. libstc++3.0 and gcc-3.0 depend on it though, for some reason. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/ I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail preferred. ``_Any_ increase in interface difficulty, in exchange for a benefit you do not understand, cannot perceive, or don't care about, is too much.'' -- John S. Novak, III (The Humblest Man on the Net) PGP signature
PATCH please apply: debootstrap for hppa
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 08:59:51PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: Not that you've sent me a patch... Here's one. I actually include libstdc++3.0 as well atm, but I expect that requirement to go away soon. I don't see any point in you adding that just to remove it next week. I added the two extra 'info' lines to give me more feedback, as on serial consoles I can't Alt-F4 or whatever to see what is happening. diff -ur -x CVS x/debootstrap-0.1.11/woody debootstrap/woody --- x/debootstrap-0.1.11/woody Fri Jun 8 15:31:22 2001 +++ debootstrap/woody Sun Jun 10 14:43:09 2001 @@ -38,15 +38,21 @@ base=$base delo pciutils setserial # pcmcia-cs ;; hppa) - base=$base palo + base=$base palo libstdc++3 gcc-3.0-base + base=$(without_package fdutils $base) + required=$(without_package libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 $required) ;; *) # who knows? ;; esac +info Downloading packages + download $required $base +info Extracting required packages + extract $required mkdir -p $TARGET/var/lib/dpkg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: critical problems in 2.3.5 prevent release
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 02:51:41AM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 11:14:14AM +0100, Richard Hirst wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:53:39PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 01:35:16PM -0500, Stephen R Marenka wrote: According to Richard Hirst, gcc-3.0 (at least for hppa) also has an issue. why is gcc in the base system may i ask? The .deb in question is gcc-3.0-base, comes from gcc-3.0 source. I have included it in debootstrap for hppa because libstdc++3 depends on it. apt depends on libstdc++3, etc. why?? i can think of no reason why a library should depend on a compiler. gcc-3.0-base isn't a compiler. libstdc++3 comes from gcc-3.0 source, maybe these are docs that are common to gcc source that should be installed regardless of which .debs from that source are installed. I'm only guessing though, I don't know anything of the hows and whys of gcc-3.0 packaging. thats not very useful... why the devil does this package even exist? much less do interactive crap in its postinst? Basically it wants you to ack that you've noted the following: This package is a development snapshot derived from the gcc CVS archive. These development snapshots (although tagged as gcc-3_0_pre_2001mmdd) are leading towards gcc-3.0, which the gcc developers plan to release in the middle of June 2001. ATTENTION: The ABI changed with gcc-3.0-0.010525 (exception handling). Recompile all libraries and apps that have been translated by previous gcc-3.0 snapshots. !!! WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING !!! Use the packages at you own risk. The Debian gcc maintainers will NOT provide any backward compatibility from these snapshots to the final release. Library APIs may still change. Applications may need to be recompiled with the final gcc-3.0 release. sorry but this looks like more symptom treatment and more disease ignorage. Well, I guess the problem will go away some time soon anyway. For the time being I need to install this package as part of an unstable hppa base install, and dbootstrap/debootstrap didn't cope with the way it did it's prompting. I raised the issue and was told I should get the package fixed. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po by dwhedon
Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/po who:dwhedon time: Sun Jun 10 09:58:22 PDT 2001 Log Message: remove timezone configuration. This will now be handled in base-config. Files: changed:POTFILES -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by dwhedon
Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap who:dwhedon time: Sun Jun 10 09:58:22 PDT 2001 Log Message: remove timezone configuration. This will now be handled in base-config. Files: changed:baseconfig.c removed:tzconfig.c -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Processed: Weird debootstrap/busybox bug
Processing commands for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: reassign 98522 boot-floppies Bug#98522: boot-floppies: [woody] weird problems (cannot load base from network,cannot make bootdisk,..) Bug reassigned from package `debootstrap' to `boot-floppies'. thanks Stopping processing here. Please contact me if you need assistance. Darren Benham (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#98522: marked as done (boot-floppies: [woody] weird problems (cannot load base from network,cannot make bootdisk,..))
Your message dated Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:02:57 +1000 with message-id [EMAIL PROTECTED] and subject line Weird debootstrap/busybox bug has caused the attached Bug report to be marked as done. This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with. If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what I am talking about this indicates a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact me immediately.) Darren Benham (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -- Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 23 May 2001 16:31:29 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed May 23 11:31:29 2001 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from rulez.tolna.net [193.227.196.11] by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) id 152bXl-0008ST-00; Wed, 23 May 2001 11:31:29 -0500 Received: from grin by rulez.tolna.net with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 152bXj-6k-00; Wed, 23 May 2001 18:31:27 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: boot-floppies: [woody] weird problems (cannot load base from network,cannot make bootdisk,..) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: bug 3.3.9 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: grin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:31:27 +0200 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Package: boot-floppies Version: 20010518 Severity: important hello, tried to install using 2.3.2-2001-05-18 but I had to go back to potato bootdisks because I was unable to install no matter my efforts. It is naturally always a possibility that I am the one to blame. I tried to install from compact image (using rtl8139 nic), the system started, network was ok, so I tried to use http:// from a local mirror, the default (us) mirror, any mirror... but it failed, retrieved the first Packages file then said: cannot retrieve adduser (or like that) Trying several url's I realized that sometimes the installer just restarts (I guess a segfault somewhere) when it doesn't like the url, or the result it got. Later on in the install there was a point to create a boot disk. Disk was inserted, the result was: unable to write, maybe you didn't insert it in the first drive (or like that). Naturally I did, but it seemed that it doesn't even try to format the disk (neither low level (superformat) nor logical (mke2fs/mkdosfs/mformat/..). Since the partition was above 1024 neither lilo norr bootdisk was present, booting with rescue disk isn't nice. ...and I realized that it didn't work either, as cannot open initial console message informed me about /dev/ being empty. But I bet it was because I tried to force base*.tgz by hand and maybe I messed it up. All in all - I had to start from scratch with the potato disks, which installed base from tgz and not by deb's (as I noticed at the new bootdisk), which went flawlessly. This bugreport was created mostly because I'm a debian developer and a debian fan, and just before the install a friend heard that I am going to install debian and commented I heard from several others and I tried myself that since some time debian cannot be installed so I went on [insert alternative distro here]. I strongly have disagree but then I tried to install it and... oops. :-S Standard disclaimer: since the install's done (potato disks) I cannot repeat it so if the provided information wasn't detailed enough to fix te bugs please close the bug. If you need more info (not much I can provide tho) feel free to ask. -- System Information Debian Release: testing/unstable Kernel Version: Linux rulez 2.2.19 #1 Wed May 23 01:09:48 CEST 2001 i586 unknown --- Received: (at 98522-done) by bugs.debian.org; 10 Jun 2001 17:03:06 + From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Jun 10 12:03:06 2001 Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from (azure.humbug.org.au) [:::144.137.130.20] by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian)) id 1598cD-0003zL-00; Sun, 10 Jun 2001 12:03:05 -0500 Received: from aj by azure.humbug.org.au with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1598c5-0001Nd-00; Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:02:57 +1000 Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 03:02:57 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Weird debootstrap/busybox bug Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organisation: Lacking X-PGP: http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/aj_key.asc From: Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] reassign 98522 boot-floppies thanks This bug is apparently fixed in current busybox, and thus in current builds of boot-floppies. Reassigned to boot-floppies so that it can be reasonably reopened if the diagnosis isn't correct. Cheers, aj -- Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/ I don't speak for anyone save myself. GPG signed mail
cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation by tvainika
Repository: boot-floppies/documentation who:tvainika time: Sun Jun 10 11:48:09 PDT 2001 Log Message: Added dummy doc-check's revision tracking stuff Files: changed:Tag: potato install.fi.sgml -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation/fi by tvainika
Repository: boot-floppies/documentation/fi who:tvainika time: Sun Jun 10 11:48:10 PDT 2001 Log Message: Added dummy doc-check's revision tracking stuff Files: changed:Tag: potato welcome.sgml hardware.sgml preparing.sgml partitioning.sgml inst-methods.sgml rescue-boot.sgml dbootstrap.sgml post-install.sgml tech-info.sgml administrivia.sgml appendix.sgml -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: critical problems in 2.3.5 prevent release
On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 02:35:56PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 08:21:21AM -0600, Matt Kraai wrote: I don't understand your question. The base-files package contains most of the system directories, and the permissions are set correctly therein. When BusyBox tar is used by debootstrap to extract this package, it doesn't reset the permissions on the extant /lib, /tmp, etc. directories, leading to problems. If this doesn't answer your question, please rephrase it and I'll give it another go. no that makes sense, the bug report didn't. but then i read it very late and was not much awake anymore. Well, I understood what I meant... Oh well. so basically someone patched busybox tar to ignore archive permissions and force 0777? why?? (umask is 022 so even if it were simply ignoring saved permissions you should never end up with 777). They changed it to ignore archive permissions, and leave the existing permissions unchanged. This sucks if, for instance, the modules installation step sets /lib to be world writable. Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/documentation by tvainika
Repository: boot-floppies/documentation who:tvainika time: Sun Jun 10 13:12:23 PDT 2001 Log Message: Added finnish style of writing dates Files: changed:Tag: potato Makefile -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by kraai
Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap who:kraai time: Sun Jun 10 13:25:54 PDT 2001 Log Message: Fix misspelling of distribution (and yeah, I know I'm anal). Files: changed:extract_base.c -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by dwhedon
Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap who:dwhedon time: Sun Jun 10 13:43:09 PDT 2001 Log Message: move 'Configure the Base System' step to immediately after debootstrap succeeds. It now runs without user intervention. Files: changed:extract_base.c main_menu.c -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by dwhedon
Repository: boot-floppies/debian who:dwhedon time: Sun Jun 10 13:43:08 PDT 2001 Log Message: move 'Configure the Base System' step to immediately after debootstrap succeeds. It now runs without user intervention. Files: changed:changelog -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2.3.5 test candidate
boot-floppies 2.3.5 is looking very good. Various cleanups that have trickled in this weekend have given us a smooth install (at least on i386). I have installed a couple times this weekend and have only seen cosmetic bugs. I put a freshly built set up at: http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/2.3.5-2001-06-10/ For your testing pleasure. -David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by kraai
Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap who:kraai time: Sun Jun 10 14:02:55 PDT 2001 Log Message: Write the chosen suite to dbootstrap_settings so that base-config will default to the user's earlier choice. Files: changed:extract_base.c -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Installer online help
The online help for the installation system is of course quite limited due to space limitations. However, the help that is available isn't really enough for new users who are just being exposed to *nix for the first time. We can't take on the job of *nix education within the installer, but I think a few k would really be a good investment for new users. I'm willing to scrounge a few k from other places if need be... Let's add a new 'help' command (hard linked to man and info) that just does nano-tiny -T15 -v /help.txt My proposed help.txt is attached (it looks best when viewed with the above command). It's around 6500 bytes uncompressed. We might be able to leave out some of the help lines and trim a few bytes, probably there are some commands that new users shouldn't be using anyway. I already left out commands that would seem to be useful or safe only within scripts. OTOH maybe having a syntax prompt is helpful even for experienced people, for infrequently-used system setup commands. This file was compiled from the commands available in the powerpc installer system, probably there are a few others needed for i386 etc. The busybox commands do have a one-line response for --help already, but often times that one line is less than helpful - try cp, mount, and umount for example. It would make more sense to dispense with those, or collect any really valuable information together into one place people can quickly browse thru or search. -- Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] The installer environment provides limited versions of the following commands. Additional help may be available by typing command --help. The ^ in nano's help line means hold the Control key and type ae see nano-tiny ar create, modify, and extract from archive files ash the shell program initiated by Execute a Shell or Ctrl-Alt-F2 cat list the contents of a directory or file to std output cd change the working directory; cd .. moves up a level, cd /path full path, cd path relative path cfdisk create or modify Linux partitions with i386-style partition tables chgrp change the group associated with the file permissions or directory; chgrp grp target chmod change permissions associated with a file or directory; chmod 0444 target chown change the ownership of a file or directory; chown new-owner target chroot make the root directory something other than / on the file system; chroot root-now new-root chvtchange tty (similar to Left-Alt Fn); chvt5 creates tty5 or brings it to the front clear clear the terminal screen cp copy source file or file-list to target file or directory; cp source target cut show the result of cutting a file vertically; cut -f 1 this-file gives the first column only dateshow the system date and time, or set it using date MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss] dbootstrap the installation program (runs after installer boot) dd copy file converting formats; dd if=source filename of=target location ddisk see fdisk depmod create a dependency makefile for modprobe df show free disk space for all mounted partitions dhclient-2.2.x dhcp client dmesg show the messages from the most recent system boot du show disk usage; du -h --max-depth=3 directory to list sizes in megabytes up to 3 levels deep e2fsck check for and correct ext2 filesystem disk errors echoshow a line of text editsee nano-tiny eject eject removable disks; eject --floppy, eject --cdrom, eject /dev/sdb4 emacs see nano-tiny env show the environment variables and their values exitterminate the shell and return to the installer exprshow the result of evaluating an expression fdisk create or modify i386-style disk partitions fgrep see grep findlook for files in a directory tree; find / -name filename, find /bin -name e* freeshow used and free system memory and swapped memory fuser show the pids of processes using a file or fs grepsearch for a regular expression; -i case insensitive grep regexp file or file-list gunzip see gzip gzipcompress/decompress a file in .gz format; -d decompress, -l list only, -c to std output haltshut down the computer (only executable by root user) headshow the first several lines of a file or file-list; head -n 20 filename helpsee man id show information about a specified user, or the user of the current process ifconfigmanually configure kernel-resident network interfaces infosee man insmod dynamically load a kernel module; insmod module-filename (filename ends with .o) killterminate a specified process; kill pid (use ps to identify the pid) killall terminate all processes executing a given command; killall -HUP command-name klogd log kernel error messages to std error or a file ksyms show
cvs commit to base-config/debian by joeyh
Repository: base-config/debian who:joeyh time: Sun Jun 10 14:47:13 PDT 2001 Log Message: * Use debootstrap_settings SUITE variable to determine what suite apt-setup defaults to, Closes: #100153 * Made 1console-tools quieter. See #100365. Files: changed:changelog control -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to base-config/lib by joeyh
Repository: base-config/lib who:joeyh time: Sun Jun 10 14:47:13 PDT 2001 Log Message: * Use debootstrap_settings SUITE variable to determine what suite apt-setup defaults to, Closes: #100153 * Made 1console-tools quieter. See #100365. Files: changed:1console-tools -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installer online help
We can't take on the job of *nix education within the installer, but I think a few k would really be a good investment for new users. I'm willing to scrounge a few k from other places if need be... I like this idea. Let's add a new 'help' command (hard linked to man and info) that just does nano-tiny -T15 -v /help.txt command). It's around 6500 bytes uncompressed. We might be able to leave out The busybox commands do have a one-line response for --help already, but often times that one line is less than helpful - try cp, mount, and umount FWIW busybox does have better help if you turn it on : bb with very little help: -rwxr-xr-x root/root180316 2001-06-10 14:22:28 ./bin/busybox bb with better help: -rwxr-xr-x root/root195804 2001-06-10 14:29:32 ./bin/busybox That is more space than what you are proposing, but it does involve a bit of duplication of effort and maintenance. I don't feel strongly either way. chrootmake the root directory something other than / on the file system; chroot root-now new-root I don't think that's right: meow:bin$ chroot --help Usage: chroot NEWROOT [COMMAND...] -David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies by cts
Repository: boot-floppies who:cts time: Sun Jun 10 14:59:33 PDT 2001 Log Message: m68k uses 2.2.19 kernel-images Files: changed:config -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/debian by cts
Repository: boot-floppies/debian who:cts time: Sun Jun 10 15:15:39 PDT 2001 Log Message: Make Adam happy, add a changelog entry for the recent m68k fixes Files: changed:changelog -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Root disk problems for i18n floppies
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:44:49PM -0700, David Whedon wrote: Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:40:24AM +0200 wrote: So what shall we do? Only support it for the 2.88 ones? That is what we use for CD install, right? Yes I think having the language chooser only for CD installs (which most people use anyway) is ok. [...] It would be difficult to free 200 KB. OK, so now I need to buy a CD-writer :-\ Marcin -- Marcin Owsiany [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://student.uci.agh.edu.pl/~porridge/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0ACA FC5E 3F75 D6F6 3A0D 8AA0 60F4 1216 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to base-config/debian by joeyh
Repository: base-config/debian who:joeyh time: Sun Jun 10 15:26:38 PDT 2001 Log Message: * Call loadkeys with --quiet. * Reconfigure console-data instead of calling no longer existing kbdconfig. Files: changed:changelog -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2.3.5 powerpc installation
I downloaded the 6/7 powerpc version of 2.3.5 from http://people.debian.org/~aph/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-powerpc/current/ powermac/ I completed an install on my newworld, up to installation of base, with no show stoppers. The dhcp worked great, I verified I could ping on the net. The new graphics are definitely an improvement! The expanded help text on some items is also good. Here are some opportunities: During Install Operating System and Modules, I chose to install from an already-mounted (HFS) hard disk filesystem. I mounted it thru the installer, so it would know about it; but I got an immediate error after selecting that option, when it would have ordinarily displayed my choices: Directory error; the supplied directory does not exist, please enter a new one. The next box allows entry of a path, in which I entered /target/instmnt/, and it went on from there, finding the path to the system install package OK. (It would be helpful to note in these manual path-entry boxes that the path must be relative to / not /target. Or put another way, the path must begin with /target/ for hard disks. Since stuff gets mounted under /target by the installer, and it doesn't tell the user that, it's not immediately obvious that the /target prefix is needed for paths. The shell on tty2 could have the same intro text as appears when selecting Execute A Shell. In that shell intro text, nano-tiny --help, and a few other places, we refer to 'nano' rather than 'nano-tiny'. Rather than fix all the different places, and because it's easier to type, I think we should just add a hard link named 'nano'. In the shell intro text, we could note that arrow keys don't work, history is not available, and there is no auto completion; just to remind people that know and love those shell features (and also so they won't always be reporting it as a bug). Also, rather than recommending a ls /bin /sbin etc, I think a short help file listing the available commands and what they do in the installer environment would be extremely helpful for people new to *nix - but that's the subject of another post. The shell intro text could then just say, type 'help' for a list of available commands. Still on the subject of the shell intro text, it briefly appears on the console for some reason, after selecting Reboot the computer, but before it actually reboots. If we're running low on space, there are a few packages in root.bin that probably aren't needed for powerpc: lilo, fdisk, cfdisk, mformat. Also route, chgrp, rmmod could probably wait to be added during base installation? I don't know what cardmgr is for. One final note, I used mac-fdisk within the installer to split one of my Linux partitions into two. Nice job on the new partition display, it's very informative! Since my MacOS partitions are at the end of the disk as recommended, when I rebooted (without changing yaboot.conf and rerunning ybin), it looked like I had lost MacOS. Yaboot was trying to load MacOS from my newly created Linux partition, because adding one in the middle incremented all the higher partition numbers by one. All I had to do was go back and fix yaboot.conf, but it made me wonder whether another check could be done after running mac-fdisk: if the number of partitions changed during the session, warn that yaboot.conf may need to be changed? The world is full of dummies like me... -- Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: critical problems in 2.3.5 prevent release
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 01:02:44PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote: They changed it to ignore archive permissions, and leave the existing permissions unchanged. This sucks if, for instance, the modules installation step sets /lib to be world writable. is that whats happening? if so that should be fixed to. nowhere should world writable directories get created because we can't be 100% sure they will just get fixed by base-files. it seems there are alot more directories getting created world writable then what the modules extraction is doing. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ PGP signature
Re: 2.3.5 powerpc installation
option, when it would have ordinarily displayed my choices: Directory error; the supplied directory does not exist, please enter a new one. The above should be fixed in cvs. -David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installer online help
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 02:15:16PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: The online help for the installation system is of course quite limited due to space limitations. However, the help that is available isn't really enough for new users who are just being exposed to *nix for the first time. We can't take on the job of *nix education within the installer, but I think a few k would really be a good investment for new users. I'm willing to scrounge a few k from other places if need be... Let's add a new 'help' command (hard linked to man and info) that just does nano-tiny -T15 -v /help.txt why not zcat /help.gz | more ? My proposed help.txt is attached (it looks best when viewed with the above command). It's around 6500 bytes uncompressed. We might be able to leave out some of the help lines and trim a few bytes, probably there are some commands that new users shouldn't be using anyway. I already left out commands that would seem to be useful or safe only within scripts. OTOH maybe having a syntax prompt is helpful even for experienced people, for infrequently-used system setup commands. This file was compiled from the commands available in the powerpc installer system, probably there are a few others needed for i386 etc. we could save space using the above command. reading files in editors is bad practice. mkofboot initialize an Apple_Bootstrap HFS partition and transfer the configured yaboot bootloader to it don't call this an HFS partition, its not. when you call it that people expect they should be mounting it, putting macos on it, and all sorts of other evil things. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ PGP signature
Re: Root disk problems for i18n floppies
Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 12:32:08AM +0200 wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:44:49PM -0700, David Whedon wrote: Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:40:24AM +0200 wrote: So what shall we do? Only support it for the 2.88 ones? That is what we use for CD install, right? Yes I think having the language chooser only for CD installs (which most people use anyway) is ok. [...] It would be difficult to free 200 KB. OK, so now I need to buy a CD-writer :-\ One option is to make an optional i18n floppy and have a menu option: 'Load Multiple Languages'. Then we mount the dist that contains the additional messages and whatever else we need then install into the right locations. I don't know much about gettext or whatever. In principle this sounds possible but there may be issues I am unaware of. -David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.3.5 powerpc installation
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 03:30:04PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: Here are some opportunities: During Install Operating System and Modules, I chose to install from an already-mounted (HFS) hard disk filesystem. I mounted it thru the installer, so it would know about it; but I got an immediate error after selecting that option, when it would have ordinarily displayed my choices: Directory error; the supplied directory does not exist, please enter a new one. The next box allows entry of a path, in which I entered /target/instmnt/, and it went on from there, finding the path to the system install package OK. (It would be helpful to note in these manual path-entry boxes that the path must be relative to / not /target. Or put another way, the path must begin with /target/ for hard disks. Since stuff gets mounted under /target by the installer, and it doesn't tell the user that, it's not immediately obvious that the /target prefix is needed for paths. your supposed to let the installer mount the hard disk partition when you select `install from hard disk partition' when it asks what method you want to use. in that case the partition is mounted on /instmnt where it belongs and is expected. everything mounted under /target will end up in your final /etc/fstab. The shell on tty2 could have the same intro text as appears when selecting Execute A Shell. In that shell intro text, nano-tiny --help, and a few other places, we refer to 'nano' rather than 'nano-tiny'. Rather than fix all the different places, and because it's easier to type, I think we should just add a hard link named 'nano'. all these references have already been fixed. nano isn't the same as nano-tiny so a hard link is probably not best. In the shell intro text, we could note that arrow keys don't work, history is not available, and there is no auto completion; just to remind people that know and love those shell features (and also so they won't always be reporting it as a bug). Also, rather than recommending a ls /bin /sbin etc, too bad, those features take up too much space and we are already MAXED OUT. I think a short help file listing the available commands and what they do in the installer environment would be extremely helpful for people new to *nix - but that's the subject of another post. The shell intro text could then just say, type 'help' for a list of available commands. that could be useful. Still on the subject of the shell intro text, it briefly appears on the console for some reason, after selecting Reboot the computer, but before it actually reboots. ive noticed that, im not sure why that happens. its really unimportant so who cares. If we're running low on space, there are a few packages in root.bin that probably aren't needed for powerpc: lilo, fdisk, cfdisk, mformat. Also lilo is a hard link to lazybox. fdisk, and cfdisk are hardlinks to to the same shell script wrapper, that wrapper decides based on archetecture and subarchetecture what fdisk is the right fdisk. so on powermacs it runs mac-fdisk, on CHRP it runs cfdisk (or something like that). route, chgrp, rmmod could probably wait to be added during base installation? I don't know what cardmgr is for. route is needed to configure the network, rmmod really should be there in case the user messes up something with modules. chgrp might be used in dbootstrap im pretty sure at least chown is. all of those are part of busybox anyway, and since we use the main busybox package we get everything it includes. the busybox package is also serving as an emergency tool for system rescue. One final note, I used mac-fdisk within the installer to split one of my Linux partitions into two. Nice job on the new partition display, it's very informative! Since my MacOS partitions are at the end of the disk as recommended, when I rebooted (without changing yaboot.conf and rerunning ybin), it looked like I had lost MacOS. Yaboot was trying to load MacOS from my newly created Linux partition, because adding one in the middle incremented all the higher partition numbers by one. All I had to do was go back and fix yaboot.conf, but it made me wonder whether another check could be done after running mac-fdisk: if the number of partitions changed during the session, warn that yaboot.conf may need to be changed? The world is full of dummies like me... but there is no yaboot.conf when the installation starts. about 0.04% of people are actually going to use boot-floppies to do a second install alongside of an already working install unless they know what they are doing. the users who don't know will probably run `Make System Bootable' as well which would have replaced yaboot.conf. i wish you would have tested that step BTW, it works on newworld powermacs now but has been getting zero testing except by me. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ PGP signature
Re: Installer online help
nano-tiny -T15 -v /help.txt why not zcat /help.gz | more ? That would work, but I used tabs to make two columns; using the editor lets me choose how much space for a tab so it's more readable and also gives the novice an interface to use to search for keywords, and scroll back and forth. we could save space using the above command. reading files in editors is bad practice. Isn't it all compressed by the time it gets into root.bin? mkofboot initialize an Apple_Bootstrap HFS partition and transfer the configured yaboot bootloader to it don't call this an HFS partition, its not. when you call it that people expect they should be mounting it, putting macos on it, and all sorts of other evil things. OK -- Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installer online help
FWIW busybox does have better help if you turn it on : bb with very little help: -rwxr-xr-x root/root180316 2001-06-10 14:22:28 ./bin/busybox bb with better help: -rwxr-xr-x root/root195804 2001-06-10 14:29:32 ./bin/busybox That is more space than what you are proposing, but it does involve a bit of duplication of effort and maintenance. I don't feel strongly either way. New users feel completely lost; even if the information is right there, they don't know how to get at it. Which command do I try first? They all look equivalently evil and potentially dangerous. If a script was used to extract the info out of cmd --help for all these commands into one file during the build, and then the result concatenated to a static file intro, that might work. Then if you turn off the --help for busybox, after extracting the info but before building, there's no duplication of effort or space. I've got a feeling that's a trivial script for you guys, but I wouldn't know where to start. Something with a sed and a couple of greps thrown in. BTW, I think some options advertised as being functional in bb --help are not really; if we go down that route I could help clean that up. chroot make the root directory something other than / on the file system; chroot root-now new-root I don't think that's right: meow:bin$ chroot --help Usage: chroot NEWROOT [COMMAND...] I must have gotten that info from another distribution #-/ -- Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: critical problems in 2.3.5 prevent release
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 02:39:51PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 01:02:44PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote: They changed it to ignore archive permissions, and leave the existing permissions unchanged. This sucks if, for instance, the modules installation step sets /lib to be world writable. is that whats happening? if so that should be fixed to. nowhere should world writable directories get created because we can't be 100% sure they will just get fixed by base-files. it seems there are alot more directories getting created world writable then what the modules extraction is doing. This problem has already been fixed, though for some reason the bug report never managed to get closed. Must have been due to master's downage. And yes, quite a few directories had funky permissions as a result of this. Just switch over to tty2 right before executing debootstrap and see what all already exists. Matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: 2.3.5 powerpc installation
/target/ for hard disks. Since stuff gets mounted under /target by the installer, and it doesn't tell the user that, it's not immediately obvious that the /target prefix is needed for paths. your supposed to let the installer mount the hard disk partition when you select `install from hard disk partition' when it asks what method you want to use. in that case the partition is mounted on /instmnt where it belongs and is expected. everything mounted under /target will end up in your final /etc/fstab. Well one of the options is 'already mounted partition' so I thought that should be tested. You're right, it's probably not a common choice. That's interesting about the fstab; so if I manually mount an HFS disk during installation to read base from, it will automatically mount the same disk after I reboot into the new system? It's a feature. the users who don't know will probably run `Make System Bootable' as well which would have replaced yaboot.conf. i wish you would have tested that step BTW, it works on newworld powermacs now but has been getting zero testing except by me. There wasn't any base tarball in aph's powerpc-disks folder; I didn't think if I could do that out of order (without installing base first). -- Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debconf tzconfig
As requested, here is a tzconfig varient that uses debconf for its UI. A sample run (note that new installers will be seeing the dialog frontend instead): root@silk:/home/joey/debian/packages/base-config./newtzconfig Time Zone Configuration --- Your current time zone is set to US/Eastern. Do you want to change your current time zone? y Pick the geographic area in which you live. 1. Africa 5. Asia9. Indian Ocean 2. America6. Atlantic Ocean 10. Pacific Ocean 3. US time zones 7. Australia 11. System V style time zones 4. Canada time zones 8. Europe 12. None of the above What area do you live in? US Cities represent the time zone in which they are located, so you may choose any city in your time zone. 1. Alaska4. Central 7. Hawaii 10. Mountain 2. Aleutian 5. East-Indiana 8. Indiana-Starke 11. Pacific 3. Arizona 6. Eastern 9. Michigan12. Samoa Select a city or time zone: eastern Time zone selected. Local time is now: Sun Jun 10 17:22:34 PDT 2001 Universal Time is now: Mon Jun 11 00:22:34 UTC 2001 You selected the time zone: US/Pacific root@silk:/home/joey/debian/packages/base-config If you want to try it, you should probably install debconf 0.9.63 from Incoming. It tickles an obscure debconf bug fixed by that version. I have not figured out where this program should live. It'd be sorta cool if it could replace the current tzconfig, though libc6 would need to suggest/reccommend debconf then. Or I can stick it in base-config for the time being. -- see shy jo #! /bin/sh . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule DIRS=Africa America US Canada Asia Atlantic Australia Europe Indian Pacific SystemV Etc # Set up debconf. db_capb backup db_title Time Zone Configuration # Feed current timezone in to question. if [ -f /etc/timezone ]; then db_subst tzconfig/change_timezone timezone `cat /etc/timezone` elif [ -L /etc/localtime ]; then db_subst tzconfig/change_timezone timezone \ $(readlink /etc/localtime | sed 's%^/usr/share/zoneinfo/%%') fi # Instantiate zone selection questions for each geographic area. The names # of the questions will be the same as the names of the relevant directories # in /usr/share/zoneinfo/, and the choices will be each file in the directory. for dir in $DIRS; do db_register tzconfig/select_zone tzconfig/select_zone/$dir || true db_subst tzconfig/select_zone/$dir choices \ $(find /usr/share/zoneinfo/$dir -type f -printf %f, \n | \ sort | xargs echo | sed 's/,$//') done # Let's use a state machine to let the user jump back to earlier questions. STATE=1 while [ $STATE != 0 -a $STATE != 5 ]; do case $STATE in 1) # Give current time zone and ask if it should be changed. db_fset tzconfig/change_timezone seen false db_input medium tzconfig/change_timezone || true ;; 2) # Exit if the user doesn't want the time zone changed. db_get tzconfig/change_timezone if [ $RET = false ]; then exit fi # Show top level divisions (mainly by continent). db_fset tzconfig/geographic_area seen false db_input high tzconfig/geographic_area || true ;; 3) # Prompt with a list of zones in the selected area. # Suckily, we have to map some of the values that were # prompted with to the directory names themselves. db_get tzconfig/geographic_area DIR=$RET case $DIR in Atlantic Ocean) DIR=Atlantic;; Indian Ocean) DIR=Indian ;; Pacific Ocean)DIR=Pacific ;; System V style time zones)DIR=SystemV ;; None of the above)DIR=Etc ;; esac if [ ! -d /usr/share/zoneinfo/$DIR ]; then echo $0 internal error: /usr/share/zoneinfo/$DIR does not exist 2 exit 1 fi db_fset tzconfig/select_zone/$DIR seen false db_input high tzconfig/select_zone/$DIR || true ;; 4) # Display a final message giving the selected zone # and showing the time in that zone (and UTC for # comparison). db_get tzconfig/select_zone/$DIR timezone=$DIR/$RET utdate=$(LANG=C TZ=UTC0 date) tzdate=$(LANG=C TZ=$timezone date -d $utdate) db_subst tzconfig/settings timezone $timezone db_subst tzconfig/settings tzdate $tzdate db_subst tzconfig/settings
Re: 2.3.5 test candidate
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 01:57:09PM -0700, David Whedon wrote: boot-floppies 2.3.5 is looking very good. Various cleanups that have trickled in this weekend have given us a smooth install (at least on i386). I have installed a couple times this weekend and have only seen cosmetic bugs. I put a freshly built set up at: http://people.debian.org/~dwhedon/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/2.3.5-2001-06-10/ I also have sparc 2.3.5 boot-floppies available, which have been used for many successful installs, at: http://auric.debian.org/~bcollins/disks-sparc/current/ (FYI) -- ---===-=-==-=---==-=-- / Ben Collins -- ...on that fantastic voyage... -- Debian GNU/Linux \ ` [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ' `---=--===-=-=-=-===-==---=--=---' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installer online help
That is a good point. The suggestion of dynmically using the busybox help probably doesn't treat transloations very well, unless busybox wants translated help. -David Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 02:16:48AM +0200 wrote: Would it be an English-only file ?? Or is there a way of integrating it in boot-floppies/documentation tree so all translators can localize it ? On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 02:15:16PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: The online help for the installation system is of course quite limited due to space limitations. However, the help that is available isn't really enough for new users who are just being exposed to *nix for the first time. We can't take on the job of *nix education within the installer, but I think a few k would really be a good investment for new users. I'm willing to scrounge a few k from other places if need be... Let's add a new 'help' command (hard linked to man and info) that just does nano-tiny -T15 -v /help.txt My proposed help.txt is attached (it looks best when viewed with the above command). It's around 6500 bytes uncompressed. We might be able to leave out some of the help lines and trim a few bytes, probably there are some commands that new users shouldn't be using anyway. I already left out commands that would seem to be useful or safe only within scripts. OTOH maybe having a syntax prompt is helpful even for experienced people, for infrequently-used system setup commands. This file was compiled from the commands available in the powerpc installer system, probably there are a few others needed for i386 etc. The busybox commands do have a one-line response for --help already, but often times that one line is less than helpful - try cp, mount, and umount for example. It would make more sense to dispense with those, or collect any really valuable information together into one place people can quickly browse thru or search. -- Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Eric VAN BUGGENHAUT [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dpkg-checkbuilddeps
Hi, I'm having a little trouble with the boot-floppies dpkg-checkbuilddeps: dpkg-buildpackage: build architecture is m68k dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: zlib-bin, dosfstools, linuxdoc-tools, snarf dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.) When I use -d, it fails nevertheless after some time with the same message (again). Two things are very interesting: debian/control says: Build-Depends: glibc-pic, slang1-pic, libnewt-dev, libpopt-dev, zlib1g-dev, recode, gettext, m4, debiandoc-sgml, libi18n-langtags-perl, man-db, libpaperg, tetex-extra, perl5, libwww-perl, pointerize, libgd-dev, libbogl-dev (= 0.1.6-1), bison, ash, dpkg-awk, flex, file, debhelper, gawk, python-dev, python-xml, busybox, bf-utf-source, zlib-bin [i386], dosfstools [powerpc alpha m68k], linuxdoc-tools [powerpc], snarf [powerpc] So on m68k, I should not need zlib-bin, linuxdoc-tools, or snarf. Also I have those packages installed... cts@aahz:/build/boot-floppies/woody/boot-floppiesdpkg-checkbuilddeps dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: zlib-bin, dosfstools, linuxdoc-tools, snarf cts@aahz:/build/boot-floppies/woody/boot-floppiesdpkg -l zlib-bin dosfstools linuxdoc-tools snarf dpkg Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==- ii zlib-bin 1.1.3-15 compression library - sample programs ii dosfstools 2.8-1 Utilities to create and check MS-DOS FAT fil ii linuxdoc-tools 0.9.7.3SGML converters for the LinuxDoc DTD only. ii snarf 7.0-2 A command-line URL grabber ii dpkg 1.9.7 Package maintenance system for Debian Who's fooling who? Or is this a special feature of the boot-floppies? I think dpkg 1.9.8 for m68k was not built/uploaded because the i386 version made some trouble. Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debconf tzconfig
Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 08:35:46PM -0400 wrote: As requested, here is a tzconfig varient that uses debconf for its UI. A sample run (note that new installers will be seeing the dialog frontend instead): looks super. If you want to try it, you should probably install debconf 0.9.63 from Incoming. It tickles an obscure debconf bug fixed by that version. I have not figured out where this program should live. It'd be sorta cool if it could replace the current tzconfig, though libc6 would need to suggest/reccommend debconf then. Or I can stick it in base-config for the time being. I think it would be best to put it into base-config. FYI all timezone configuration has been removed from boot-floppies already, so it would be nice to have this (base-config or tzconfig, not matter) available. -David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cvs commit to boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap by dwhedon
Repository: boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap who:dwhedon time: Sun Jun 10 22:15:03 PDT 2001 Log Message: add some more files from /proc to the list to be saved. They will be empty, by the way, until: #100369: busybox cp can't copy from /proc is fixed. Files: changed:problem_report.c -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg-checkbuilddeps
On Mon, Jun 11, 2001 at 12:21:23AM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: Christian T. Steigies wrote: I'm having a little trouble with the boot-floppies dpkg-checkbuilddeps: dpkg-buildpackage: build architecture is m68k dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: zlib-bin, dosfstools, linuxdoc-tools, snarf dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. dpkg-buildpackage: (Use -d flag to override.) I've had other reports of this unrelated to b-f and, I think some recent change must have broken dpkg-checkbuilddeps. I hope to look into it soon. just in case you didn't notice this already but the only packages checkbuilddeps seems to have problems with are the ones using the [arch] trick. see b-f build-depends. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ PGP signature
Re: Installer online help
That is a good point. The suggestion of dynmically using the busybox help probably doesn't treat transloations very well, unless busybox wants translated help. -David I played around with the dynamic thing a little bit, it probably wouldn't work out well in any case. As far as duplicated effort goes, it's probably not too likely this file would change much over time anyhow, just very general top level descriptions of what are mostly very basic commands, and the command set is not likely to vary much either. I definitely think if we do it, it should also be translated. -- Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2.3.5 powerpc installation
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 06:43:37PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: Well one of the options is 'already mounted partition' so I thought that should be tested. You're right, it's probably not a common choice. That's interesting about the fstab; so if I manually mount an HFS disk during installation to read base from, it will automatically mount the same disk after I reboot into the new system? It's a feature. i believe so yes, since its not different from mounting a partition for /usr /home and such. those must end up in fstab or else the first boot won't go very far. There wasn't any base tarball in aph's powerpc-disks folder; I didn't think if I could do that out of order (without installing base first). the base tarball is obsolete, install the base system now uses debootstrap to install read debs. an unfortunate side affect of this is that you MUST install the base either via the network, from a CDROM, or a ext2 partition with a full debian mirror. crippled filesystems need not apply since they cannot store long filenames. personally i think debootstrap should support a tarball target so it can take a base.tgz and extract .debs from it (as opposed to the old method of extracting a precooked root filesystem out of base.tgz). after i finish testing my latest round of b-f hacking ill look at deboostrap and see how hard that would be to add, then ask aj if he is open to accepting a patch for something like that. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ PGP signature
Re: Installer online help
On Sun, Jun 10, 2001 at 04:41:59PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote: nano-tiny -T15 -v /help.txt why not zcat /help.gz | more ? That would work, but I used tabs to make two columns; using the editor lets me choose how much space for a tab so it's more readable and also gives the novice an interface to use to search for keywords, and scroll back and forth. you can format it without depending on specific editor features. and i thought more could scroll backwords, at least some implementations can. it just uses control keys and not the arrows iirc (this was back in my Digital Unix days). we could save space using the above command. reading files in editors is bad practice. Isn't it all compressed by the time it gets into root.bin? not the point, we don't have much room on the filesystem itself, the larger the filesystem gets the larger the disk image gets. when i first started hacking boot-floppies the pmac root disk was larger then 1.44MB compressed, so the disk image was trunicated and thus useless. i had to remove ybin and yaboot to make it all fit again. (i modified ybin so it can be run from the target system). please send a updated version of your help doc formatted to work with more and i can apply it. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ PGP signature
Re: 2.3.5 powerpc installation
the base tarball is obsolete, install the base system now uses debootstrap to install read debs. an unfortunate side affect of this is that you MUST install the base either via the network, from a CDROM, or a ext2 partition with a full debian mirror. crippled filesystems need not apply since they cannot store long filenames. personally i think debootstrap should support a tarball target so it can take a base.tgz and extract .debs from it (as opposed to the old method of extracting a precooked root filesystem out of base.tgz). after i finish testing my latest round of b-f hacking ill look at deboostrap and see how hard that would be to add, then ask aj if he is open to accepting a patch for something like that. So more attention will need to be paid to getting all the possibly needed net driver modules into the installer (for example, last time I checked, rtl8139 or 8139too wasn't available for powerpc; that's what I need for my oldworld). And, giving users clues about how to figure out what's in their machine before they start an install, or maybe something could be figured out from /proc? I already made the mistake once, of formatting a drive that had Windows on it before looking to see what net driver had been picked there, so I could pick the similar one during the Linux install. -- Chris Tillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
