Menu items consistency (was Re: Start using new SETTITLE cdebconf command)

[Denis Barbier]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 02:52:08PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:55:00PM +0200, Martin Sj?gren wrote:
> > Hell no, we should decide on one approach and stick to it, inconsistency
> > is bad for your health. I move that only main-menu should set titles. As
> > we discussed in Oldenburg, having the titles consistent with the menu
> > items is an excellent way to reduce confusion.
> 
> Should the title be the same as the menu entry?  That is, should
> each package have a main-menu/ template that begins with
> [TITLE]?  For example,
> 
>  Template: main-menu/anna
>  _Description: [TITLE] Load installer modules

Some menu items contain a verb, other are noun forms.  Should all items
be consistent in English?

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Re: Start using new SETTITLE cdebconf command

[Denis Barbier]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:13:37PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
[...]
> > >  Template: main-menu/anna
> > >  _Description: [TITLE] Load installer modules
> > 
> > No. please do not use any specific markup like [TITLE], this was only
> > an example on my side in order to find a way to put more informations
> > in PO files, but nothing has been decided yet.
> 
> Would it be possible and sufficient to include the template name
> in the PO file?

But current po-debconf don't do that, you have to put it manually.
Next version will support comments as introduced by latest dpkg in
control files, so I am not sure this is an issue.

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Re: Start using new SETTITLE cdebconf command

[Matt Kraai]

On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 01:19:59AM +0200, Denis Barbier wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 02:52:08PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:55:00PM +0200, Martin Sj?gren wrote:
> > > Hell no, we should decide on one approach and stick to it, inconsistency
> > > is bad for your health. I move that only main-menu should set titles. As
> > > we discussed in Oldenburg, having the titles consistent with the menu
> > > items is an excellent way to reduce confusion.
> > 
> > Should the title be the same as the menu entry?  That is, should
> > each package have a main-menu/ template that begins with
> > [TITLE]?  For example,
> > 
> >  Template: main-menu/anna
> >  _Description: [TITLE] Load installer modules
> 
> No. please do not use any specific markup like [TITLE], this was only
> an example on my side in order to find a way to put more informations
> in PO files, but nothing has been decided yet.

Would it be possible and sufficient to include the template name
in the PO file?

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Re: i18n of tasksel (and cdebconf)

[Tomohiro KUBOTA]

Hi,

From: Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: i18n of tasksel (and cdebconf)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:58:52 -0400

> This patch will be in the next release. I have to make sure tasksel 1.34
> gets into testing first (maybe it already is, I am offline). 

Version 1.34 is already available in "testing".  So, I don't think
my patch will causes tasksel to be outdated in "testing".

> If you have more time for these issues, aptitude uses the same task list
> as does tassel, does not currently use the translated tasks, and of
> course it needs to wrap the text properly when it does get support for
> translated tasks. Thanks for your work.

Ok, I will research it.

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Bug#213360: partconf-mkfstab: fstab creation broken

[Sebastian Ley]

Package: partconf-mkfstab
Severity: grave
Tags: d-i
Justification: renders package unusable

Searching for the reason why grub-installer fails to install grub, I had
a look at partconf-mkfstab.

When I just run through the normal install process and select to use
this program to create the fstab (instead of autopartkit) it seems that
nothing happens at all. A look at /target/etc/fstab reveals an fstab
with only the placeholder string for unconfigured systems in it. This
might be a bug in main-menu though, subject to further investigation.

A manual invocation of /var/lib/dpkg/info/partconf-mkfstab.postinst
actually creates an fstab, but with a bogus proc entry int it, reading:

/dev/hda   /proc   proc   defaults   0   2

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Re: i18n of tasksel (and cdebconf)

[Joey Hess]

Tomohiro KUBOTA wrote:
> > I would prefer to not upload a tasksel using this new library until it
> > is in testing already, and until debootstrap installs it as part of the
> > base system.
> 
> Finally libtextwrap is installed into Sarge (testing).  Thus I wrote
> a simple patch for tasksel to use the library, so as to support Chinese
> and Japanese (languages which don't use whitespaces between words).
> 
> I also prepared an updated Japanese translation (po) files.  Please
> don't adopt these translations unless libtextwrap part of my patch is
> accepted, because Japaneese text is not well displayed (at some places)
> by tasksel.
> 
> Could you please test my patch?

This patch will be in the next release. I have to make sure tasksel 1.34
gets into testing first (maybe it already is, I am offline). 

If you have more time for these issues, aptitude uses the same task list
as does tassel, does not currently use the translated tasks, and of
course it needs to wrap the text properly when it does get support for
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Bug#213333: cdebconf - lists should support selection via id

[Bastian Blank]

Package: cdebconf
Version: N/A

i think cdebconf should support selection of a list value via an id.
this makes it much easier to set a default value for a generated list or
read the value for such lists. also it makes the handling of static
lists easier because the code don't need to know the real value.
the list syntax may use a character like # to split id and text.

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Bug#213314: partconf: invokes mkreiserfs interactively

[Sebastian Ley]

Package: partconf
Severity: normal
Tags: d-i

The way partconf mkreiserfs will cause mkreiserfs to ask questions,
which will freeze partconf.

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Re: new installer

[simon raven]

Le Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 20:20:56 -0400, Dan Weber a écrit:

> Apparently its builtin into the debian-installer cvs. 
> run make TYPE=bootfloppy initrd
> from the build dir and that should work.
> 
> Im going to review it later tonight.
> > simon
> > 

k, i'll take a look at too, i have some free time.


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Re: new installer

[Dan Weber]

On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 20:17, simon raven wrote:
> Le Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 16:26:50 -0700, Matt Kraai a écrit:
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:06:03PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> > > I have begun to work on getting oldworld to boot. Basically the idea is
> > > to take two floppies, one with the kernel and the other with the initrd
> > > if we can fit and have the kernel be the one kickstarting the cd.  in
> > > the following way the command line should like this.
> > > 
> > > boot:  initrd=/dev/fd0 root=/dev/
> > 
> > I believe joeyh split the kernel and the initrd onto separate
> > floppies at the d-i debcamp, but I don't know how.  You may want
> > to look into it
> hm, interesting. do you have an URL we can look into, or is it a job
> for google? ;)
Apparently its builtin into the debian-installer cvs. 
run make TYPE=bootfloppy initrd
from the build dir and that should work.

Im going to review it later tonight.
> simon
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Re: new installer

[simon raven]

Le Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 16:26:50 -0700, Matt Kraai a écrit:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:06:03PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> > I have begun to work on getting oldworld to boot. Basically the idea is
> > to take two floppies, one with the kernel and the other with the initrd
> > if we can fit and have the kernel be the one kickstarting the cd.  in
> > the following way the command line should like this.
> > 
> > boot:  initrd=/dev/fd0 root=/dev/
> 
> I believe joeyh split the kernel and the initrd onto separate
> floppies at the d-i debcamp, but I don't know how.  You may want
> to look into it.

hm, interesting. do you have an URL we can look into, or is it a job
for google? ;)

simon

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Re: new installer

[Dan Weber]

On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:57, Matt Kraai wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:52:57PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:36, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:28:47PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> > > > I am still maintainer of d-i 2.6 and I must do a duplicate of his
> > > > design.  I wonder what size he got his initrds down to any how.
> > > 
> > > It's the bootfloppy type.  Have fun.
> > 
> > What do you mean by that?  ANy easy way to replicate it?
> 
> Something like
> 
>  make TYPE=bootfloppy initrd
> 
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I think I need to review the steps on how he makes a bootfloppy like
that.  Since I want to be able to understand it externally before I
reimplement in the DI-2.6.


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Re: new installer

[Dan Weber]

I think this is the longest thread that debian-boot has ever had.

On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:57, Matt Kraai wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:52:57PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:36, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:28:47PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> > > > I am still maintainer of d-i 2.6 and I must do a duplicate of his
> > > > design.  I wonder what size he got his initrds down to any how.
> > > 
> > > It's the bootfloppy type.  Have fun.
> > 
> > What do you mean by that?  ANy easy way to replicate it?
> 
> Something like
> 
>  make TYPE=bootfloppy initrd
> 
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Re: new installer

[Matt Kraai]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:52:57PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:36, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:28:47PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> > > I am still maintainer of d-i 2.6 and I must do a duplicate of his
> > > design.  I wonder what size he got his initrds down to any how.
> > 
> > It's the bootfloppy type.  Have fun.
> 
> What do you mean by that?  ANy easy way to replicate it?

Something like

 make TYPE=bootfloppy initrd

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Re: new installer

[Dan Weber]

On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:36, Matt Kraai wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:28:47PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> > I am still maintainer of d-i 2.6 and I must do a duplicate of his
> > design.  I wonder what size he got his initrds down to any how.
> 
> It's the bootfloppy type.  Have fun.

What do you mean by that?  ANy easy way to replicate it?

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Re: new installer

[simon raven]

Le Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 16:37:03 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen a écrit:
> [Eric Côté]
> > that OldWorld PPC sub-arch will not be supported directly in the new
> > installer.
> 
> OK.  I leave that decision to you.  Thanks for letting us know, so we
> can avoid worrying about that architecture.  If you change your mind,
> please send patches or get involved to fix the remaining problems
> yourself.
> 
> 
> I suspect this was not intentional, but your email gave me the
> impression that you actually believe the debian-installer developers
> are owning you a favour, and that it is our responsibility to add
> support for this architecture into debian-installer.  Giving such
> impression is not a good way to start communicating with and
> motivating volunteers to help you in fixing your problems.  But based
> on my first impression, I will just ignore your future ranting until
> you find time to contribute significantly to the debian-installer
> development yourself.  The only way to change this is to change your
> behaviour so you make a good impression, and continue to do until I
> believe it.  Happy hacking.

i suppose it'll go both ways, since i changed my tone since my first
very angry post, and have re-considered my decision. and no, i don,t
think that anyone owes me anything, except maybe the gov't on my tax
refund =).

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Re: new installer

[Matt Kraai]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:06:03PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> I have begun to work on getting oldworld to boot. Basically the idea is
> to take two floppies, one with the kernel and the other with the initrd
> if we can fit and have the kernel be the one kickstarting the cd.  in
> the following way the command line should like this.
> 
> boot:  initrd=/dev/fd0 root=/dev/

I believe joeyh split the kernel and the initrd onto separate
floppies at the d-i debcamp, but I don't know how.  You may want
to look into it.

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Re: Start using new SETTITLE cdebconf command

[Denis Barbier]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 02:52:08PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:55:00PM +0200, Martin Sj?gren wrote:
> > Hell no, we should decide on one approach and stick to it, inconsistency
> > is bad for your health. I move that only main-menu should set titles. As
> > we discussed in Oldenburg, having the titles consistent with the menu
> > items is an excellent way to reduce confusion.
> 
> Should the title be the same as the menu entry?  That is, should
> each package have a main-menu/ template that begins with
> [TITLE]?  For example,
> 
>  Template: main-menu/anna
>  _Description: [TITLE] Load installer modules

No. please do not use any specific markup like [TITLE], this was only
an example on my side in order to find a way to put more informations
in PO files, but nothing has been decided yet.

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Re: new installer

[Matt Kraai]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:28:47PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> I am still maintainer of d-i 2.6 and I must do a duplicate of his
> design.  I wonder what size he got his initrds down to any how.

It's the bootfloppy type.  Have fun.

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Re: new installer

[Dan Weber]

On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 19:26, Matt Kraai wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:06:03PM -0400, Dan Weber wrote:
> > I have begun to work on getting oldworld to boot. Basically the idea is
> > to take two floppies, one with the kernel and the other with the initrd
> > if we can fit and have the kernel be the one kickstarting the cd.  in
> > the following way the command line should like this.
> > 
> > boot:  initrd=/dev/fd0 root=/dev/
> 
> I believe joeyh split the kernel and the initrd onto separate
> floppies at the d-i debcamp, but I don't know how.  You may want
> to look into it.
I am still maintainer of d-i 2.6 and I must do a duplicate of his
design.  I wonder what size he got his initrds down to any how.

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Bug#213265: partconf: fails to modprobe reiserfs

[Matt Kraai]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 06:00:00PM +0200, Sebastian Ley wrote:
> With switching to 2.4.22 we have everything in place to create and mount
> reiser filesystems. However although the userlandtools are present and
> the kernel modules are in place, partconf does not load the kernel
> modules and hence does not display the option to create reiserfs.
> 
> If I modprobe reiserfs manually and restart partconf, the reiserfs
> option becomes available.

Would you please test the following patch?

--- debian-installer/tools/partconf/partconf.c  2003-09-27 06:53:28.0 -0700
+++ /home/kraai/dev/debian-installer/tools/partconf/partconf.c  2003-09-29 
13:26:45.0 -0700
@@ -560,7 +563,7 @@
 int
 main(int argc, char *argv[])
 {
-int state = 0, ret;
+int i, state = 0, ret;
 int (*states[])() = {
 partition_menu,
 filesystem,
@@ -569,10 +572,17 @@
 fixup, // never does an INPUT, just handles the manual mountpoint result
 NULL
 };
+
+/* FIXME: How can we tell which file system modules to load?  */
+char *file_system_modules[] = {"ext3", "reiserfs", "jfs", "xfs", NULL};
+
 debconf = debconfclient_new();
 debconf->command(debconf, "CAPB", "backup", NULL);
 ped_exception_set_handler(my_exception_handler);
-modprobe("ext3 reiserfs jfs xfs"); // FIXME: Any others?
+
+for (i = 0; file_system_modules[i]; i++)
+   modprobe(file_system_modules[i]);
+
 if (check_proc_mounts("")) {
 // Chicken out if /target is already mounted
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Bug#213291: partconf-mkfstab: Creates incorrect fstab entries

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

Package:  partconf-mkfstab
Version:  0.06
Severity: important

After running /var/lib/dpkg/info/partconf-mkfstab.postinst, the
content of /target/etc/fstab is not quite correct.  This is the entry
for /proc/:

  /dev/sda1  /proc  proc  defaults  0 2

The device is bogus, and the backup pass value should be 0, not 2.

The entries for /floppy and /cdrom also uses backup pass value 2, but
should use 0 as well.


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Re: new installer

[Dan Weber]

On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 10:37, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Eric Côté]
> > that OldWorld PPC sub-arch will not be supported directly in the new
> > installer.
> 
> OK.  I leave that decision to you.  Thanks for letting us know, so we
> can avoid worrying about that architecture.  If you change your mind,
> please send patches or get involved to fix the remaining problems
> yourself.
> 
OldWorld PPC isn't an architechture. Its a segment of PPC.  The only issues we have
between oldworld ppc and newworld is the way they boot.  Newworld ppc
has cd boot support whereas oldworld doesn't.  I wrote about this in one
of my other emails.
> I suspect this was not intentional, but your email gave me the
> impression that you actually believe the debian-installer developers
> are owning you a favour, and that it is our responsibility to add
> support for this architecture into debian-installer. 
I have begun to work on getting oldworld to boot. Basically the idea is
to take two floppies, one with the kernel and the other with the initrd
if we can fit and have the kernel be the one kickstarting the cd.  in
the following way the command line should like this.

boot:  initrd=/dev/fd0 root=/dev/
> Giving such
> impression is not a good way to start communicating with and
> motivating volunteers to help you in fixing your problems.  But based
> on my first impression, I will just ignore your future ranting until
> you find time to contribute significantly to the debian-installer
> development yourself.  The only way to change this is to change your
> behaviour so you make a good impression, and continue to do until I
> believe it.  Happy hacking
I agree with you on this.  I think that was like a demand.
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Re: Start using new SETTITLE cdebconf command

[Matt Kraai]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:55:00PM +0200, Martin Sj?gren wrote:
> Hell no, we should decide on one approach and stick to it, inconsistency
> is bad for your health. I move that only main-menu should set titles. As
> we discussed in Oldenburg, having the titles consistent with the menu
> items is an excellent way to reduce confusion.

Should the title be the same as the menu entry?  That is, should
each package have a main-menu/ template that begins with
[TITLE]?  For example,

 Template: main-menu/anna
 _Description: [TITLE] Load installer modules

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Re: cvs commit to debian-installer/anna/debian by mckinstry

[Martin Sjögren]

mån 2003-09-29 klockan 22.18 skrev [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> Update of /cvs/debian-boot/debian-installer/anna/debian
> In directory gluck:/tmp/cvs-serv23436
> 
> Modified Files:
>   changelog 
> Log Message:
> Convert changelog to UTF-8

Um, the file encoding already was UTF-8, except for André's latest
entry. André, please make sure you save the changelog in UTF-8 format in
the future!


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Re: Start using new SETTITLE cdebconf command

[Martin Sjögren]

mån 2003-09-29 klockan 20.54 skrev Petter Reinholdtsen:
> [Thorsten Sauter]
> > just for make sure...
> > this means no program should set the title directly? This should be done
> > all the time by main-menu?
> 
> The need to set the title will be greatly reduced, but I am not sure
> if we should require all packages to remove their titles.
> 
> > If so, I go ahead and remove all title commands from my packages.
> 
> I will remove the titles from mine packages when this is implemented,
> but you will have to decide for yourself if you want to do it for
> yours.

Hell no, we should decide on one approach and stick to it, inconsistency
is bad for your health. I move that only main-menu should set titles. As
we discussed in Oldenburg, having the titles consistent with the menu
items is an excellent way to reduce confusion.


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Re: Trying again

[Matt Kraai]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:44:54PM +0100, Daniel Silverstone wrote:
> Sorry to be dense, but I've been very ill recently and can't remember
> where things are.

I hope you're better now.

> Where can I find what is considered *the* businesscard ISO to test?

I believe that the INSTALLATION-HOWTO

 
http://cvs.debian.org/*checkout*/debian-installer/doc/INSTALLATION-HOWTO?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain

contains the canonical location,

 http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso

Please let us know how it works out.

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Trying again

[Daniel Silverstone]

Hi,

Sorry to be dense, but I've been very ill recently and can't remember
where things are.

Where can I find what is considered *the* businesscard ISO to test?

D.

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Re: debian-installer cvs access

[Adam DiCarlo]

Ok, you're all setup.  Username is 'gaudenz'.

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Re: cdebconf/slang user interface

[Chris Tillman]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 04:50:48PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Chris Tillman]
> > I tried out the slang interface on powerpc. It's quite attractive,
> > but one thing bugged me.
> 
> I like the newt frontend more.  That is the one we are planning to use
> in the text version of d-i.  I'm not aware of anyone but you actually
> using the slang frontend.  Did you try the newt frontend?
> 
> If you want to update the slang frontend, please go ahead.  But I
> suspect it is a waste of time.

Sorry, I meant newt. I didn't know there were 2 text frontends;
it was just the default one.

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Re: Start using new SETTITLE cdebconf command

[Denis Barbier]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 04:49:09PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
[...]
> Is this the same comment format as used in the gettext handling in
> KDE?
>
> Do all programs using gettext use the same method for passing
> instructions to the translators?

No, in fact these comments are introduced to distinguish several
identical msgids which may have different translations based on
the context.  Usually if a gettextized string is preceded by a
comment, it is automatically inserted in PO files, this is
the most common way to put comments in PO files.
As debconf has no support for comments, I did not want to decide
of a comment format, and putting extra markup in msgids is the
only solution.  Kenneth Christiansen (one of the intltool upstream
authors) told me that they did use this format (i.e. in Perl
regexp /\[\s[^\[\]]*\]$/) in Nautilus and were quite happy with it,
so I get it too.

Dpkg has introduced some comment support in control files, so I will 
make po-debconf recognize these comments very soon.

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Re: Start using new SETTITLE cdebconf command

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Thorsten Sauter]
> just for make sure...
> this means no program should set the title directly? This should be done
> all the time by main-menu?

The need to set the title will be greatly reduced, but I am not sure
if we should require all packages to remove their titles.

> If so, I go ahead and remove all title commands from my packages.

I will remove the titles from mine packages when this is implemented,
but you will have to decide for yourself if you want to do it for
yours.


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Re: d-i beta release powerpc

[Thorsten Sauter]

* Gaudenz Steinlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-29 14:02]:
| Bastian Blank wrote:
| >On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 12:26:14PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
| >
| >>+  MODEL=`/usr/bin/ppcdetect`
| >
| >depreacated
| why

please see the thread about anna and arch-detection.
ppcdetect will be relaced by a more common version called archdetect.


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sarge business card CD install barfs

[Will Lowe]

I'm trying to install Sarge on my laptop (A Dell latitude) using the
business card CD image here:

http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/

It starts to boot from the CD ok ... loads the kernel, spewing normal
kernel-starting stuff, then looks like it tries to start X, then dumps
me back at the console with:

E: unimplemented function

in reverse video.  Any clues? 

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Re: d-i beta release powerpc

[Thorsten Sauter]

Hi Gaudenz,

* Gaudenz Steinlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-29 12:26]:

| --- kernel-installer.postinst.orig2003-09-28 17:06:53.0 +0200
| +++ kernel-installer.postinst 2003-09-28 17:35:57.0 +0200
| @@ -107,6 +107,29 @@
|   fi
|   ;;
|   esac
| +   powerpc)
| +  version=2.4.21 #hack, hack!

we are on 2.4.22 :-)

I will commit your patch tomorrow. Or if you have your cvs account
before, please commit yourself.

I then rebuild my cdimages and contact aj.


Thanks for your help
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Re: debian-installer cvs access

[Thorsten Sauter]

* Adam DiCarlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-29 17:46]:
| Gaudenz Steinlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| 
| > A few days ago a asked you about write access to the d-i cvs.
| 
| I never got any such message.
| 
| > Sadly I didn't hear anything from you.
| 
| See above.  :(
| 
| > Could you please tell me which next steps I'm supposed to do or if
| > you are just busy and will take care as soon as possible.
| 
| Follow the instructions at http://www.debian.org/doc/cvs#obtaining
| please.
| 
| Also, I need approval from the debian-installer maintainer.


yes!!! please give him cvs access.
We have done some very important hacking in Oldenburg.


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Re: d-i - subarchitecture stuff

[Thorsten Sauter]

* Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-29 11:33]:
| anna will use a new control field in the next version. it is called
| subarchitecture and will restrict the selection of this package only if
| it runs on this subarch.
| 
| also this information should be used by kbd-chooser, which currently
| does this stuff themself.
| 
| i will introduce a new template into rootskel
| (debian-installer/kernel/subarchitecture) which should be written while
| the first hardware detection run.


I have started a new package (named archdetect) which help's anna to
find out, which architecture (and maybe falvour) is used.
This will be merged with ppcdetect.

(Thanks waldi for your changes, I will take a depther look into it
tomorrow)


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Re: Start using new SETTITLE cdebconf command

[Thorsten Sauter]

* Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-27 12:22]:
| I just implemented and commited a new cdebconf command, SETTITLE.
| This will set the debconf title from a template description, making it
| possible to translate titles.
| 
| The old TITLE command is depricated and should be removed as soon as
| possible after the next upload.  It will even be removed in a future
| version of cdebconf.
| 
| This was in response to the i18n discussion during d-i debcamp
| yesterday, and bug #212923.

just for make sure...
this means no program should set the title directly? This should be done
all the time by main-menu?

If so, I go ahead and remove all title commands from my packages.

Thanks
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Re: updated powerpc debian-installer builds

[Thorsten Sauter]

* Matt Kraai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-09-29 11:22]:
| On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 02:48:25PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
| > I tried mounting my partition at /cdrom, but the kernel doesn't
| > have hfs compiled in. I think we need to correct this, powerpc
| > users will always want to be able to access hfs partitions on
| > their drive.
| 
| Please file a bug report against the kernel requesting an
| hfs-module udeb.

I think we should create $filesystem-module-udebs for most of the
architectures. This includes hfs for powerpc, *fat/ntfs for intel based
machines, ffs for some *bsd based archs and so on. With those modules,
we can extend the fstab generation process to include such foreign
partitions into the newly installed system.

| > If I get a chance to burn a CD at work, I'll try it with a real CD.
| > 
| > I tried the netinst iso next, but got about the same results.
| > When I switched to console 2, there was a repeating message:
| > 
| > modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-1
| 
| It's missing the unix socket module, which is supposed to be
| compiled in to the kernel in an upcoming kernel package.  In the
| meantime, I've included the socket-modules udeb.

Sven and I have fixed this in Oldenburg. This means the new uploaded
kernel 2.4.22 included unix sockets compiled in. (Sven when we can
expect th upload? :-))


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Bug#213266: cdebconf-udeb: debconf-dumpdb to not work

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

Package: cdebconf-udeb
Version: 0.45

When trying to use debconf-dumpdb to extract the current debconf
values from the database, nothing is printed:

  ~ # debconf-dumpdb configdb
  ~ #

This should produce a list of debconf template names, types and
values, but nothing appear.


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Bug#213265: partconf: fails to modprobe reiserfs

[Sebastian Ley]

Package: partconf
Severity: normal
Tags: d-i

With switching to 2.4.22 we have everything in place to create and mount
reiser filesystems. However although the userlandtools are present and
the kernel modules are in place, partconf does not load the kernel
modules and hence does not display the option to create reiserfs.

If I modprobe reiserfs manually and restart partconf, the reiserfs
option becomes available.

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Re: debian-installer cvs access

[Bastian Blank]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:46:31AM -0500, Adam DiCarlo wrote:
> Also, I need approval from the debian-installer maintainer.

I think, i'm allowed to approve this, so this is the approval for
Gaudenz Steilin to get access to the cvs.

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Re: debian-installer cvs access

[Adam DiCarlo]

Gaudenz Steinlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> A few days ago a asked you about write access to the d-i cvs.

I never got any such message.

> Sadly I didn't hear anything from you.

See above.  :(

> Could you please tell me which next steps I'm supposed to do or if
> you are just busy and will take care as soon as possible.

Follow the instructions at http://www.debian.org/doc/cvs#obtaining
please.

Also, I need approval from the debian-installer maintainer.

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Re: cdebconf/slang user interface

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Chris Tillman]
> I tried out the slang interface on powerpc. It's quite attractive,
> but one thing bugged me.

I like the newt frontend more.  That is the one we are planning to use
in the text version of d-i.  I'm not aware of anyone but you actually
using the slang frontend.  Did you try the newt frontend?

If you want to update the slang frontend, please go ahead.  But I
suspect it is a waste of time.


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Re: Start using new SETTITLE cdebconf command

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Denis Barbier]
> Items will be gathered into a single menu, so their context is not
> the current PO file, but the whole menu.  For instance translation
> teams may decide that each item must contain a verb, so they must
> know which descriptions are in fact menu items.

OK.

> I do not understand your question.  If you ask whether these
> comments are removed by current po2debconf, answer is yes (since
> 0.6.0, I believe).

OK.  You answered what I was wondering about.

Is this the same comment format as used in the gettext handling in
KDE?  Do all programs using gettext use the same method for passing
instructions to the translators?


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Re: new installer

[Petter Reinholdtsen]

[Eric Côté]
> that OldWorld PPC sub-arch will not be supported directly in the new
> installer.

OK.  I leave that decision to you.  Thanks for letting us know, so we
can avoid worrying about that architecture.  If you change your mind,
please send patches or get involved to fix the remaining problems
yourself.


I suspect this was not intentional, but your email gave me the
impression that you actually believe the debian-installer developers
are owning you a favour, and that it is our responsibility to add
support for this architecture into debian-installer.  Giving such
impression is not a good way to start communicating with and
motivating volunteers to help you in fixing your problems.  But based
on my first impression, I will just ignore your future ranting until
you find time to contribute significantly to the debian-installer
development yourself.  The only way to change this is to change your
behaviour so you make a good impression, and continue to do until I
believe it.  Happy hacking.


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Re: libdebian-installer - packages which needs to be changed

[Bastian Blank]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 12:55:14PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> netcfg
builds with backward compatiblity
> partconf
builds with backward compatiblity
> yaboot-installer
seems to build with backward compatiblity

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Bug#213237: Acknowledgement (kernel-installer - should set warn_initrd=NO and image_in_boot=YES)

[Bastian Blank]

warn_initrd just removes the warning about the initrd, it does not any
harm if the image don't use an initrd
link_in_boot makes the links always apear in /boot which is needed if
/boot is an extra partition and grub should be used. also some other
arches always needs this because the bootloader reads the fs of /boot.

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Re: updated powerpc debian-installer builds

[Matt Kraai]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 05:23:00AM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 04:22:55AM -0500, Matt Kraai wrote:
> > Network support is not included on the CDROM image.  It is added
> > once you run "Load installer modules".
> 
> Oh. But I did run it, and they didn't. Anything else to look for?

I thought this step was failing for you because you didn't have a
real CDROM.  If so, it wouldn't install anything, and in
particular not the netcfg-* udebs.

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libdebian-installer - needs code review

[Bastian Blank]

i'm currently the only people which do work on libdebian-installer,
thats why it seriously needs some independend code review.

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Re: libdebian-installer - introduced changes

[Bastian Blank]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:11:21PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> new functions:
- di_system_init (const char *)
  sets syslog log handler

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Re: updated powerpc debian-installer builds

[Chris Tillman]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 04:22:55AM -0500, Matt Kraai wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 02:48:25PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> > I tried mounting my partition at /cdrom, but the kernel doesn't
> > have hfs compiled in. I think we need to correct this, powerpc
> > users will always want to be able to access hfs partitions on
> > their drive.
> 
> Please file a bug report against the kernel requesting an
> hfs-module udeb.

OK.

> > If I get a chance to burn a CD at work, I'll try it with a real CD.
> > 
> > I tried the netinst iso next, but got about the same results.
> > When I switched to console 2, there was a repeating message:
> > 
> > modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-1
> 
> It's missing the unix socket module, which is supposed to be
> compiled in to the kernel in an upcoming kernel package.  In the
> meantime, I've included the socket-modules udeb.
> 
> > That might explain why there weren't any Configure Network items
> > in the menu.
> 
> Network support is not included on the CDROM image.  It is added
> once you run "Load installer modules".

Oh. But I did run it, and they didn't. Anything else to look for?

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Re: d-i beta release powerpc

[Gaudenz Steinlin]

Bastian Blank wrote:
On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 12:26:14PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:

+  MODEL=`/usr/bin/ppcdetect`
depreacated
why

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Re: d-i: overal image_in_boot setting

[Bastian Blank]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 11:36:14AM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> i prefere to set this
> setting always on yes and drop them as arch specific.

i delay that change one week

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libdebian-installer - packages which needs to be changed

[Bastian Blank]

hi folks

this packages needs to be changed (only arch-independend and
powerpc/i386 packages are listed)

anna, Bastian Blank (mostly done)
main-menu, Bastian Blank
base-installer
cdrom-checker
kbd-chooser (also subarch stuff)
netcfg
partconf
partitioner
yaboot-installer
udpkg (don't depend against yet, may be done later)
utils, Bastian Blank

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d-i beta release powerpc

[Gaudenz Steinlin]

hi thorsten and all the others

I have found the last bug that stops us from releasing a beta for
powerpc. The code to select a default kernel in kernel-installer was
missing for powerpc. The attached patch fixes this at least for
newworld. I don't know about the others.
I propose you prepare a final cd-image which should be good for beta
release. Joeyh proposed we should simply provide an image and tell aj
where it is and he will make a first "offical" beta release. I think we
should keep the speed and good bug fixing spirit of oldenburg and push
things a little bit, so nobody will blame us in the end for delaying the
release of sarge.
At home I will review the testing instructions sebastian posted to dda
and make a short "powerpc beta addendum" if needed.

btw the default kernel selection code in kernel-installer is a little
bit hackish, because most of the things are hardcoded there. It would be
good to have a simple mechanism to define default kernels.

gaudenz 
--- kernel-installer.postinst.orig  2003-09-28 17:06:53.0 +0200
+++ kernel-installer.postinst   2003-09-28 17:35:57.0 +0200
@@ -107,6 +107,29 @@
fi
;;
esac
+   powerpc)
+  version=2.4.21 #hack, hack!
+  MODEL=`/usr/bin/ppcdetect`
+  case "$MODEL" in
+  NewWorld)
+  kernel=kernel-image-$version-powerpc
+  ;;
+  # what's below is probably nonsene, porters have to start building 2.4 
kernels for d-i!
+  # But at least the infrastructure will be there and these are the latest 
versions in 
+  # the archive.
+  OldWorld)
+  kernel=kernel-image-$version-powerpc
+  ;;
+  PReP)
+  kernel=kernel-image-2.2.20-prep
+  ;;
+  CHRP)
+  kernel=kernel-image-2.2.20-chrp
+  ;;
+  *)
+  log "warning: Unknown powerpc subarchitecture '$MODEL'."
+  ;;
+  esac
;;
 *)
 log "warning: Unknown arcitecture '$ARCH'."

Bug#213237: kernel-installer - should set warn_initrd=NO and image_in_boot=YES

[Bastian Blank]

Package: kernel-installer
Version: N/A

kernel-image should set warn_initrd=NO and image_in_boot=YES

bastian

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d-i: overal image_in_boot setting

[Bastian Blank]

hi folks

currently only sparc sets image_in_boot for the kernel-image. this
breaks grub if /boot is an extra partition. i prefere to set this
setting always on yes and drop them as arch specific.

bastian

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Re: di ./. FAI

[Fabian Franz]

> Hi di- and FAI- developers,  
>   
> I have a general question: How do di and FAI relate, when di is ready?  
> Will di replace FAI?  Will FAI use di?  Is di only for interactive  
> installation?  Thanks for comments and explanation.  
  
Yes, di can replace FAI.  
  
Every question asked is stored in a database, so its possible to store the  
configuration after installation and with a non-interactive frontend do an  
automatic install.  
  
However there are still packages that don't use debconf for their  
configuration. (Search for [EMAIL PROTECTED] and debconf on BTS)  
  
And there is afaik also the problem of storing partition settings if you 
don't use "automatic partitioner". 
 
I propose to use sfdisk at end of partition step to store 
partition-settings in debconf. 
 
Then sfdisk can be used to "restore" this settings again. 
 
Steinar also managed an almost autoconfiguration by setting priority to 
high. 
 
But that still needs work. :) 
 
cu 
 
Fabian 

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d-i - subarchitecture stuff

[Bastian Blank]

hi folks

anna will use a new control field in the next version. it is called
subarchitecture and will restrict the selection of this package only if
it runs on this subarch.

also this information should be used by kbd-chooser, which currently
does this stuff themself.

i will introduce a new template into rootskel
(debian-installer/kernel/subarchitecture) which should be written while
the first hardware detection run.

bastian

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Re: Minimal memory installation

[Christian Leber]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 10:39:02PM -0400, Levi Bard wrote:

> Yeah, it hangs while loading the root ramdisk into memory.  Maybe I'll try to find a 
> copy of slink, or maybe I can install a distri designed for embedding, then add apt.

You could put the harddisk of this box in another computer with more ram
for installation or rebuild boot-floppies without all the languages and
put a minimal kernel (2.2) on the boot disk.

I'm relativly sure that this is doable, but running apt with 8 MB will
take ages for anything!


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Re: di ./. FAI

[Thomas Lange]

> On Sun, 28 Sep 2003 20:03:44 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>  How do di and FAI relate,
FAI does everything which is done in di but without any
interaction. FAI was designed to do mass installations of the OS and
all applications. di is only designed for the installation of one
computer you are sitting in front of. FAI can also partition you local
hard disk using a smart configuration file. di uses cfdisk (for i386)
to partition your harddisk. This is a lot of manuall work and not very flexible.


>  Will di replace FAI?
No. FAI is mostly used for network installation. CD-ROM installations
using FAI is an ongoing project. FAI has the advantage over di, that
it must not fit on a floppy. Since it mounts its root file system via
NFS, it can have a lot of software available during the installation,
and does not need to split the installer into many pieces to save disk
space.

>  Will FAI use di?
FAI does everything non interactive which is done in di, without using
di. It does not need anything from di, although it uses mostly the same
unbderlining tools and commands to install the OS and software.

After di ist finished you have a base system installed and configured
on your local disk. Then it's up to you to install and configure
additional software and applications. Even tasksel is not called
during di.

FAI installs the base system using debootstrap, which is also used by
di. Then FAI uses its class concept to install software using tasksel
and apt-get install. Finally some scripts are called to adjust the
system (OS and applications) to your local needs. di can't do this.

>  Is di only for interactive installation?  
AFAIK yes. But there are plans to support non interactive
installations. But di has no class concept to support mass
installations. Non interactive installations using di will be more a
system like starting di and insert a floppy which include some predefined
answers to all questions of di.

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Re: updated powerpc debian-installer builds

[Matt Kraai]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 02:48:25PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> I tried mounting my partition at /cdrom, but the kernel doesn't
> have hfs compiled in. I think we need to correct this, powerpc
> users will always want to be able to access hfs partitions on
> their drive.

Please file a bug report against the kernel requesting an
hfs-module udeb.

> If I get a chance to burn a CD at work, I'll try it with a real CD.
> 
> I tried the netinst iso next, but got about the same results.
> When I switched to console 2, there was a repeating message:
> 
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-1

It's missing the unix socket module, which is supposed to be
compiled in to the kernel in an upcoming kernel package.  In the
meantime, I've included the socket-modules udeb.

> That might explain why there weren't any Configure Network items
> in the menu.

Network support is not included on the CDROM image.  It is added
once you run "Load installer modules".

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Re: updated powerpc debian-installer builds

[Matt Kraai]

On Sun, Sep 28, 2003 at 02:48:25PM -0700, Chris Tillman wrote:
> I tried mounting my partition at /cdrom, but the kernel doesn't
> have hfs compiled in. I think we need to correct this, powerpc
> users will always want to be able to access hfs partitions on
> their drive.
> 
> I'm assuming we'll be able to install from a hard drive mirror
> just as we could with boot-floppies, right?

I'd prefer an hfs-modules udeb instead.

> When I switched to console 2, there was a repeating message:
> 
> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module net-pf-1

This is syslog whining because it can't find the unix socket
module.  We should add the socket-modules udeb to the cdrom
package list.  I've heard such support will soon be compiled into
the kernel, at which point we can remove it.

> That might explain why there weren't any Configure Network items
> in the menu.

That's not it.  The CDROM image does not include the network
configuration udebs in the initrd, so you have to run "Load
installer modules" before they'll appear.

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