Re: summary of the Oldenberg d-i debcamp (and release plans)

2003-10-01 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Joey Hess ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

(debian-installer status summary in -devel and -boot. -i18n and
-l10n-french added to CC)

 Finally, and most important, we need a plan for how we will prepare d-i
 for the first test cycle. So we tried to come up with one. This was
 probably the hardest question of the whole meeting, and this is only a
 provisional plan.

.../...

At which step do you think that all to be translated stuff will be
frozen ? 

The translations teams are currently running after the d-i team
changes, with the help of Denis Barbier's scripts, but this is
currently a constant work as many templates often change even for
minor things.

Of course, there are perfectly valid reasons for the changes (and I
even have some myself : for instance the use of 1st person in
templates which I don't find really professionnal)but a freeze
is needed here, I think.

Speaking for the french team, on behalf of its leaders, Denis
Barbier and Martin Quinson (as well as Pierre Machard who commits the
changes in d-i CVS), we probably need about one week after
templates freeze for making a very final review and commiting the
changes to fr.po files

This may differ for other teams, which have often far less
contributors

PS : I'll temporarily subscribe to debian-boot so that following all
this become easier for me. I guess Pierre Machard and Denis Barbier
are also subscribers to this list.


Some other l10n teams members should probably try to follow -boot for
a while, I guess, if that's not already done.



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reverting PowerPC kernel to 2.4.21

2003-10-01 Thread Matt Kraai
Howdy,

The PowerPC images do not build because they try to use 2.4.22,
which has not been uploaded yet.  Unless there is an objection, I
am going to revert it to 2.4.21 until such an kernel image is
uploaded.

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d-i policy

2003-10-01 Thread Matt Kraai
Howdy,

Here is my first draft of a d-i policy guide.  I've folded in the
requirements from cheatsheet.txt (which is obsoleted and removed),
as well as some recent list discussions.

Any objections?

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Index: doc/cheatsheet.txt
===
RCS file: doc/cheatsheet.txt
diff -N doc/cheatsheet.txt
--- doc/cheatsheet.txt  21 Mar 2003 18:47:16 -  1.3
+++ /dev/null   1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -
@@ -1,10 +0,0 @@
-Random things to remember (please add to this list)
-
-- When changing in debconf templates, remember to run debconf2po-update so
-  the files in the po directory will be updated.
-
-- Releases are tagged as in cvs-buildpackage, that is
-  debian_version_0_0_1 for version 0.0.1.
-
-- Make sure you don't include md5sums inside the package.  Remove
-  call to dh_md5sums from debian/rules if present.
Index: doc/policy.txt
===
RCS file: doc/policy.txt
diff -N doc/policy.txt
--- /dev/null   1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -
+++ doc/policy.txt  1 Oct 2003 09:46:26 -
@@ -0,0 +1,46 @@
+Debian GNU/Linux Installer Policy
+=
+
+This document describes the policy requirements for the Debian
+GNU/Linux installer.  You must ask [EMAIL PROTECTED] before
+changing it.
+
+Installer Packages
+--
+
+Installer packages that have a menu entry must have an
+installer-menu-item header whose value must be a number indicating the
+priority of the package.  The value must chosen by asking
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+menu-item-numbers.txt.
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+Installer packages that have a menu entry must have a
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+text of the menu entry.
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+Installer packages that should only be installed and configured on
+particular subarchitectures must have a Subarchitecture field that
+contains a white space separated list of the subarchitectures on which
+they work.  The subarchitectures must be one of the following:
+
+ * powerpc_oldworld
+ * powerpc_newworld
+ * prep
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+ * chrp
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+ * unknown
+ * generic
+
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+
+Installer Packages Hosted at cvs.debian.org
+---
+
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+
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+tagged.  The tags must be of the form
+
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Re: libdebian-installer - proposal: usage of ERROR log level

2003-10-01 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 04:35:58PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
 hi folks
 
 the error log level in libdebian-installer is currently marked as
 critical, i.e. is always exits. my proposal is, that it should display a
 internal error message via debconf if available. this should only be
 used for realy rare conditions which may occur but only if things mess
 up really bad and no fixup is possible. currently the memory routines
 uses them as it is not a recoverable error if there is no memory
 available.
 

Can this be used for out of disk space errors also?


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Re: d-i, pulling in fdisk-udeb

2003-10-01 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 07:28:37PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
 Because it can't use just any partioning program, it uses a
 particular one (or, actually, a particular one, two, or three)
 depending on the architecture.  If we depend on a virtual
 partitioning-program package, it could install parted-udeb only
 even though that doesn't work on that particular architecture.

Am I missing something on subarchitecture vs. architecture here?  Once again:
If parted is not (for our purposes) usable on hppa, we do not build it for
hppa. (That should be quite easy to change.) Likewise, we only build the
other udebs for the platform we intend it to be used on. Thus, there will be
one (and only one) udeb that provides partitioning-program (or
preferred-di-partitioning-program if you want :-) ) for each architecture,
and anna can easily pick that one.

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Re: libdebian-installer - proposal: usage of ERROR log level

2003-10-01 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 12:12:50PM +0200, Geert Stappers wrote:
 Can this be used for out of disk space errors also?

it will just catch any error with ERROR level.

bastian

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Re: d-i, pulling in fdisk-udeb

2003-10-01 Thread Ole-Egil Hvitmyren
Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 07:28:37PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:

Because it can't use just any partioning program, it uses a
particular one (or, actually, a particular one, two, or three)
depending on the architecture.  If we depend on a virtual
partitioning-program package, it could install parted-udeb only
even though that doesn't work on that particular architecture.


Am I missing something on subarchitecture vs. architecture here?  Once again:
If parted is not (for our purposes) usable on hppa, we do not build it for
hppa. (That should be quite easy to change.) Likewise, we only build the
other udebs for the platform we intend it to be used on. Thus, there will be
one (and only one) udeb that provides partitioning-program (or
preferred-di-partitioning-program if you want :-) ) for each architecture,
and anna can easily pick that one.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but surely apus, prep and pmac don't 
use the same partitioner? Yet these are still the same platform, are 
they not?

Ole-Egil Hvitmyren, AmigaOne linux project member...

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Re: d-i, pulling in fdisk-udeb

2003-10-01 Thread Matt Kraai
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 12:56:39PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 07:28:37PM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
  Because it can't use just any partioning program, it uses a
  particular one (or, actually, a particular one, two, or three)
  depending on the architecture.  If we depend on a virtual
  partitioning-program package, it could install parted-udeb only
  even though that doesn't work on that particular architecture.
 
 Am I missing something on subarchitecture vs. architecture here?  Once again:
 If parted is not (for our purposes) usable on hppa, we do not build it for
 hppa. (That should be quite easy to change.) Likewise, we only build the
 other udebs for the platform we intend it to be used on. Thus, there will be
 one (and only one) udeb that provides partitioning-program (or
 preferred-di-partitioning-program if you want :-) ) for each architecture,
 and anna can easily pick that one.

On New World PowerPC systems, we use mac-fdisk.  On PREP PowerPC
systems, we use fdisk.  Suppose that we implement your
suggestion.  anna sees that fdisk-udeb provides
partitioning-program.  It installs it.  But wait, we are
installing on a New World system.  So partitioning fails.

Easy to fix, right?  Just don't make fdisk-udeb on PowerPC.  So
now I am installing on my (hypothetical) PREP system.  anna
installs mac-fdisk-udeb since that is the only package that
provides partitioning-program.  So partitioning fails.

A virtual package dependency is not enough.

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Re: d-i, pulling in fdisk-udeb

2003-10-01 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 07:01:49AM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
 On New World PowerPC systems, we use mac-fdisk.  On PREP PowerPC
 systems, we use fdisk.

OK, so it's a subarchitecture problem, not an architecture problem. That was
what I asked about four mails ago. :-)

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Re: d-i, pulling in fdisk-udeb

2003-10-01 Thread Matt Kraai
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 04:31:48PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 07:01:49AM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
  On New World PowerPC systems, we use mac-fdisk.  On PREP PowerPC
  systems, we use fdisk.
 
 OK, so it's a subarchitecture problem, not an architecture problem. That was
 what I asked about four mails ago. :-)

Yeah, sorry about that.  I was being dense.  And now I'm not even
sure I'm right.  D'oh.

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Canada French Keyboard and Language settings from the Install

2003-10-01 Thread Normand Leclerc
Hi,

Could someone tell me if the regular
querty french canadian keyboard (alias IBM typewriter and CF
windows settings with 863 code page) is accessible and
competently installed from the upcoming new Sarge Installer.

Years ago I tried debian 1.1 and more recently tried Slackware 9.0
and did not find all my keys at the right place and the accents
were awfull, although american kbd went ok.

I want to install Linux for some kids here, as the school is
using it, but imperatively need FRENCH CANADA keybd and
language setting, not the Acnor one but the plain old keyboard every
one uses here which doswin took too.

Any hints are welcome.

I know that edulinux.org of Sherbrooke University has it, but I
wondered about the upcomming new Debian.

Also any ideas as to why there is the same name for edulinux based on RPM from
mandrake and .deb ?  Is there any inconveniences. I did not
checked if it was a brand.

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Re: Canada French Keyboard and Language settings from the Install

2003-10-01 Thread Matt Kraai
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 10:42:18AM -0400, Normand Leclerc wrote:
 Could someone tell me if the regular
 querty french canadian keyboard (alias IBM typewriter and CF
 windows settings with 863 code page) is accessible and
 competently installed from the upcoming new Sarge Installer.
 
 Years ago I tried debian 1.1 and more recently tried Slackware 9.0
 and did not find all my keys at the right place and the accents
 were awfull, although american kbd went ok.
 
 I want to install Linux for some kids here, as the school is
 using it, but imperatively need FRENCH CANADA keybd and
 language setting, not the Acnor one but the plain old keyboard every
 one uses here which doswin took too.

It appears to be in the console-keymaps-at package.  Feel free to
double-check by testing one of the images.  :)

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Re: Canada French Keyboard and Language settings from the Install

2003-10-01 Thread amck
Hi,

Could someone tell me if the regular
querty french canadian keyboard (alias IBM typewriter and CF
windows settings with 863 code page) is accessible and
competently installed from the upcoming new Sarge Installer.


As the maintainer of console-data and kbd-chooser in Sarge,
I should answer, I suppose.

If you select French Canadian in the new installer, you get
the cf keymap, the same one you get when you type
loadkeys cf (ditto on Redhat and Mandrake, I believe).


Years ago I tried debian 1.1 and more recently tried Slackware 9.0
and did not find all my keys at the right place and the accents
were awfull, although american kbd went ok.


Can you please try loadkeys cf?

If it is wrong, I would certainly like to know whats wrong about it.


Regards,
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Milo

2003-10-01 Thread Greg Folkert
Okay, in Joey's summary of Oldenberg he hints @ Milo Source being
unavailable. 

I have versions 0.13 thru 0.27 (dated between Jan 1995 and Aug 1996)

Is this the stuff that is needed? or are we talking about the stuff that
used to be available @ genie.ucd.ie ? (University College, Dublin,
Ireland)

I need more info to start looking/helping/doing...
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tail rootskel/linuxrc inconsistent

2003-10-01 Thread Geert Stappers
Hello,

In rootskel are three versions of linuxrc.
I was expecting that they all all three the same, however:

$ tail -6 linuxrc*
== linuxrc ==
mount -t proc proc proc
mount -t devfs devfs dev
# Close all open files on the initrd, and run busybox init.
rm -f linuxrc # this program
ln -s /sbin/init linuxrc
exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /linuxrc dev/console dev/console 21
 
== linuxrc.bootfloppy ==
ln -s /sbin/init linuxrc
if [ $BOOT_DEBUG -gt 0 ]; then
echo This is ia debug shell, just before running the new linuxrc.
sh
fi
exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /linuxrc dev/console dev/console 21
 
== linuxrc.usbfloppy ==
ln -s /sbin/init linuxrc
if [ $DEBCONF_DEBUG -gt 0 ]; then
echo This is ia debug shell, just before running the new linuxrc.
sh
fi
exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /linuxrc dev/console dev/console 21


My questions are:

Shouldn't DEBCONF_DEBUG and BOOT_DEBUG merge into one?

Can have linuxrc also a debug shell?


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Re: d-i and the archive

2003-10-01 Thread Joey Hess
I think a source package has this in favor of it: We need the built
images to be uploaded somewhere, and there's already the whole mechanism
for autobuilders to upload what their source packages build. Plus all
the tracking of failed builds and so on. All we need is a hack on the
autobuilders to rebuild the d-i source every day.

What would be uploaded is another question. I have doubts that the
ftpmasters would appreciate getting a dozen byhand files dropped into
Incoming every day. Maybe some special section could be set up so the
images get automatically installed into it. Maybe Alastair's old deb of
images idea is even reasonable. But we probably need to get ftpmaster
involved in designing this to make sure we end up with something they
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Re: d-i and the archive

2003-10-01 Thread Joey Hess
Sebastian Ley wrote:
 Am Di, den 30.09.2003 schrieb Joey Hess um 18:24:
 
  What's the advantage of a -src package instead of a source package?
 
 Hm, good question... What will the buildds do with non .deb packages? I
 had in mind to to something similar like the debian-cd package...
 Perhaps you can elaborate a bit on this topic?

It's possible to have source-only packages in the archive (like pine
used to be), but I assume the buildds would ignore them without at least
a special hack. That's a good point.

  Aside from that and from agreeing with Gaudenz that this may be a more
  medium-term solution, I agree that your idea is reasonable.
 
 Yep, but since it'll take time to set everything uo we better start now
 than tomorrow ;-) Until the process is kicked off, we should of course
 have an alternative, like regular beta releases for example.

I'm with you.

   However, this doesn't address autobuilding or getting boot images into
   the archive.
 
 Indeed. But it is a prerequisite to autobuilding images. I believe we
 need a separate autobuilding process, which rebuilds images whenever a
 udeb of the initial boot-image gets updated.

Aside from a hack like uploading a new version of the package every day,
it'd seem we do need something like that. If we're going to need such a
change I guess it could just as easily use a source(-only) package as a
binary package. I don't know which is better, though, my only preference
is that if we use a binary package it not be named with -src, and not
use /usr/src, since it will include little or no real source. It could
go in /usr/share and even provide a build-d-i program in /usr/bin.

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Re: d-i and the archive

2003-10-01 Thread Joey Hess
Matt Kraai wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 10:08:14PM +0200, Sebastian Ley wrote:
  Indeed. But it is a prerequisite to autobuilding images. I believe we
  need a separate autobuilding process, which rebuilds images whenever a
  udeb of the initial boot-image gets updated.
 
 To check that I understand,
 
  * the d-i images in unstable will be rebuilt whenever a udeb is
uploaded and
 
  * the d-i images in testing will be rebuilt whenever a udeb
propagates to testing,
 
 right?

Or simply building every day would probably be sufficient.

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Re: d-i, pulling in fdisk-udeb

2003-10-01 Thread Thorsten Sauter

Hi,

* Matt Kraai [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-01 16:38]:
| On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 04:31:48PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
|  On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 07:01:49AM -0700, Matt Kraai wrote:
|   On New World PowerPC systems, we use mac-fdisk.  On PREP PowerPC
|   systems, we use fdisk.
|  
|  OK, so it's a subarchitecture problem, not an architecture problem. That was
|  what I asked about four mails ago. :-)
| 
| Yeah, sorry about that.  I was being dense.  And now I'm not even
| sure I'm right.  D'oh.

we have also an other problem...

what if we have two partitioner programs (like parted and maybe
gtk-fdisk) which works both on i386. The partitioner should depend on
both programs, because we run one of those programs depending on the
frontend we're using.

I think the best way is to simply install all partitioner prgrams which
are available (compiled) for this arch and let partitioner detect, which
program is needed.


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Re: Milo

2003-10-01 Thread Geert Stappers
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 12:59:33PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
 Okay, in Joey's summary of Oldenberg he hints @ Milo Source being
 unavailable. 
 
 I have versions 0.13 thru 0.27 (dated between Jan 1995 and Aug 1996)

Mmm, unable to convert that to url.

 
 Is this the stuff that is needed? or are we talking about the stuff that
 used to be available @ genie.ucd.ie ? (University College, Dublin,
 Ireland)

http://genie.ucd.ie/ is valid URL, but that is al.

 
 I need more info to start looking/helping/doing...

Take an other approach:

- Make the milo source that you have available at a public place.
- announce the url
- ask where you looking for this?



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Re: reverting PowerPC kernel to 2.4.21

2003-10-01 Thread Thorsten Sauter
* Matt Kraai [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-01 11:38]:
| The PowerPC images do not build because they try to use 2.4.22,
| which has not been uploaded yet.  Unless there is an objection, I
| am going to revert it to 2.4.21 until such an kernel image is
| uploaded.

damn yeah. I'm waiting for Sven to upload the kernel packages. He said
in Oldenburg, he will do this on Sunday morning.

I'm not sure, if they are not yet uploaded, or simply waiting for
ftpmaster. I have installed the 2.4.22 kernels in localudebs/ on
bruckner, so the daily-images can theoreticly builded.

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Re: tail rootskel/linuxrc inconsistent

2003-10-01 Thread Joey Hess
Geert Stappers wrote:
 In rootskel are three versions of linuxrc.
 I was expecting that they all all three the same, however:

The usb one is not complete and may actually be removed (if I manage to
cram usb storage support onto the regular boot floppy).

 Shouldn't DEBCONF_DEBUG and BOOT_DEBUG merge into one?

Yes, if I end up using the usb one then it will be changed to use
BOOT_DEBUG

 Can have linuxrc also a debug shell?

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Re: reverting PowerPC kernel to 2.4.21

2003-10-01 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 07:31:02PM +0200, Thorsten Sauter wrote:
 * Matt Kraai [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2003-10-01 11:38]:
 | The PowerPC images do not build because they try to use 2.4.22,
 | which has not been uploaded yet.  Unless there is an objection, I
 | am going to revert it to 2.4.21 until such an kernel image is
 | uploaded.
 
 damn yeah. I'm waiting for Sven to upload the kernel packages. He said
 in Oldenburg, he will do this on Sunday morning.

And i did it, but ...

 I'm not sure, if they are not yet uploaded, or simply waiting for
 ftpmaster. I have installed the 2.4.22 kernels in localudebs/ on
 bruckner, so the daily-images can theoreticly builded.

... They are still in the NEW queue :

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/debian/queue/new$ ls kernel-patch-2.4.22-powerpc*
kernel-patch-2.4.22-powerpc_2.4.22-1.dsc
kernel-patch-2.4.22-powerpc_2.4.22-1.tar.gz
kernel-patch-2.4.22-powerpc_2.4.22-1_all.deb
kernel-patch-2.4.22-powerpc_2.4.22-1_powerpc.changes
kernel-patch-2.4.22-powerpc_2.4.22-1_powerpc.katie

I find this utterly stupid of the new checking to have to wait alsways
if there is a new version of a library or a kernel. Especially for the
kernel, you have to wait two times, one for the kernel-source tree to
enter the archive, and a second for the real package.

BTW, did you check if the last libparted i gave to you also broke binary
compatibility, i don't think so, but i need to look at it if not.

Friendly,

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There it is! Where? There it is! Oh! There!

2003-10-01 Thread Greg Folkert
On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 13:15, Geert Stappers wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 12:59:33PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
  Okay, in Joey's summary of Oldenberg he hints @ Milo Source being
  unavailable. 
  
  I have versions 0.13 thru 0.27 (dated between Jan 1995 and Aug 1996)
 
 Mmm, unable to convert that to url.

See below -
  
  Is this the stuff that is needed? or are we talking about the stuff that
  used to be available @ genie.ucd.ie ? (University College, Dublin,
  Ireland)
 
 http://genie.ucd.ie/ is valid URL, but that is al.

True, that is why I said used to be available
  
  I need more info to start looking/helping/doing...
 
 Take an other approach:
 
 - Make the milo source that you have available at a public place.
 - announce the url
 - ask where you looking for this?

http://www.gregfolkert.net/files/milosrc/

Were you looking for this?

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Re: tail rootskel/linuxrc inconsistent

2003-10-01 Thread Fabian Franz
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Am Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2003 19:03 schrieb Geert Stappers:
 Hello,

 In rootskel are three versions of linuxrc.
 I was expecting that they all all three the same, however:

 $ tail -6 linuxrc*
 == linuxrc ==
 mount -t proc proc proc
 mount -t devfs devfs dev
 # Close all open files on the initrd, and run busybox init.
 rm -f linuxrc # this program
 ln -s /sbin/init linuxrc
 exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /linuxrc dev/console dev/console 21

 == linuxrc.bootfloppy ==
 ln -s /sbin/init linuxrc
 if [ $BOOT_DEBUG -gt 0 ]; then
 echo This is ia debug shell, just before running the new linuxrc.
 sh
 fi
 exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /linuxrc dev/console dev/console 21

 == linuxrc.usbfloppy ==
 ln -s /sbin/init linuxrc
 if [ $DEBCONF_DEBUG -gt 0 ]; then
 echo This is ia debug shell, just before running the new linuxrc.
 sh
 fi
 exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /linuxrc dev/console dev/console 21


 My questions are:

 Shouldn't DEBCONF_DEBUG and BOOT_DEBUG merge into one?

yes, for the boot-floppies _DEBUG should be changed to BOOT_DEBUG in linuxrcs
...

Feel free to send a patch to also add debug-shell to normal linuxrc to be
consistent with the others...

cu

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d-i initial boot problem

2003-10-01 Thread thomas corda
The initial boot hangs with:
modprobe: failed to load module vesafb
I've tried mono and video=vga16:off as boot options. Same problem...

I've tried both the businesscard and netinst iso.

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Re: d-i and the archive

2003-10-01 Thread Geert Stappers
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 12:41:30AM +0200, Sebastian Ley wrote:
 Am Di, den 30.09.2003 schrieb Geert Stappers um 23:26:
 
   - Anna should be able to fetch from stable/testing/sid. That should be
 a question with priority low, with defaulting to the suite the image
 was build with.
  
  Should I read stable/testing/sid
  as
 stable or testing or sid
  or as
 stable and testing and sid
 
 It should be able from all the three, but fetch from one at a time of
 course ;-)
 
  What do you mean, for outsiders like me, with stable/testing/sid ?
 
 I talk about the testing and release mechanism that debian uses for
 normal debs. I want it to be applied to udebs as well. Further
 information can be gathered here:
 
 http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources.en.html#s-archive
 
 Especially section 4.6.4.1.
 

Thanks for the URL and sorry for being unclear.
Here a reposting of my question with additional information.

|  - Anna should be able to fetch from stable/testing/sid. That should be
|a question with priority low, with defaulting to the suite the image
|was build with.
|
| Should I read stable/testing/sid
| as
|stable or testing or sid
| or as
|stable and testing and sid
| 
| Mmm, that doesn't neither make sense.
| 
| What do you mean, for outsiders like me, with stable/testing/sid ?

It are the slashes that bother me.

Are you simply saying that anna is hardcoded to a suite
and that stable, slash testing, slash sid should be supported?

Probably we just not care about the slashes. Just tell us what should be done.
I did take a look at anna, but could not translate your request into action. 
So I go to an other place where I can help.


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Re: d-i and the archive

2003-10-01 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 08:34:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
 I think a source package has this in favor of it: We need the built
 images to be uploaded somewhere, and there's already the whole mechanism
 for autobuilders to upload what their source packages build. Plus all
 the tracking of failed builds and so on. All we need is a hack on the
 autobuilders to rebuild the d-i source every day.

Can triggering the autobuilders done by just uploading a new source?
Is a versionnumber like 20031002 too simple?

 
 What would be uploaded is another question. I have doubts that the
 ftpmasters would appreciate getting a dozen byhand files dropped into
 Incoming every day. Maybe some special section could be set up so the
 images get automatically installed into it. Maybe Alastair's old deb of
 images idea is even reasonable. But we probably need to get ftpmaster
 involved in designing this to make sure we end up with something they
 can deal with.

Who is talking to ftpmasters?
Are they reading this list allready?


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Re: d-i initial boot problem

2003-10-01 Thread Geert Stappers
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 08:15:07PM +0200, thomas corda wrote:
 The initial boot hangs with:
 modprobe: failed to load module vesafb
 
 I've tried mono and video=vga16:off as boot options. Same problem...
 
 I've tried both the businesscard and netinst iso.
 

Thanks for telling. Are you willing to tell more?
Like which images from which site you use.
Tell also more about the hardware you are using.


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Re: Milo

2003-10-01 Thread Falk Hueffner
Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Okay, in Joey's summary of Oldenberg he hints @ Milo Source being
 unavailable.

Well, there's a version from Stefan Reinauer from Suse
(http://www.suse.de/~stepan/), but it is difficult to compile with a
non-Suse kernel source. He even has some source based on the 2.4
kernel at ftp.suse.com//pub/people/stepan/milo/new, but I don't know
whether it ever worked.

Reportedly, the Gentoo folks got a reasonable Milo version to compile
recently, so anybody interested in working on it should probably ask
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Re: d-i initial boot problem

2003-10-01 Thread thomas corda
Thanks for telling. Are you willing to tell more?
Like which images from which site you use.
Tell also more about the hardware you are using.
I've used the images from 
http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/

The PC:
Dual Celeron 500 (Abit BP6 MoBo)
256MB RAM
4 hd + 2 cd drives
graphic: Nvidia GForce1 32MB
ethernet: Realtek RTL8139
sound and isdn card
I read that there is a bug in the usb-discover. The vesafb is modprobed 
right after the usb stuff.
I got an 'E: Unimplemented function' on a refreshed screen.

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create netinst

2003-10-01 Thread d00f
Hi

  I want to install woody distrib on a new server IBM 335 but i need the
MPT SCSI driver, bcm5700 ethernel driver . After lot of pb, i want to do
my own netinst ISO. 

  How can i do a custom netinst ? Where can i find doc or information on
how to do it ? does i need my own debian mirror ?

  What soft do you use to do your netinst iso ? debmirror ?

thanks
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Re: Start using new SETTITLE cdebconf command

2003-10-01 Thread Denis Barbier
On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 12:22:54PM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
 
 I just implemented and commited a new cdebconf command, SETTITLE.
 This will set the debconf title from a template description, making it
 possible to translate titles.
[...]

Back to this issue,

translators have begun to work on these new strings, and it appears that
they are confused and do not always understand that it is a menu item,
thus I changed my mind and would like to put comments in PO files.

It looks like you are using an older po-debconf; could you please
tell me if po2debconf and debconf-updatepo still works when you
add comments in the templates file, like
  Template: anna/progress_title
  Type: text
  #  Title displayed with progress bars
  _Description: Installing Debian installer modules

  Type: main-menu/anna
  Type: text
  #  Item inserted in the main menu
  _Description: Load installer modules

My tests tend to show that templates.pot and PO files are unchanged.
If your conclusion is similar, we could add such comments now,
they will break nothing and will be automatically inserted in PO
files when po-debconf 0.8.0 is out.

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Re: tail rootskel/linuxrc inconsistent

2003-10-01 Thread Geert Stappers
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 01:54:00PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
 Geert Stappers wrote:
  In rootskel are three versions of linuxrc.
  I was expecting that they all all three the same, however:
 
 The usb one is not complete and may actually be removed (if I manage to
 cram usb storage support onto the regular boot floppy).
 
  Shouldn't DEBCONF_DEBUG and BOOT_DEBUG merge into one?
 
 Yes, if I end up using the usb one then it will be changed to use
 BOOT_DEBUG

$ cvs diff -u rootskel/src/linuxrc.usbfloppy
Index: rootskel/src/linuxrc.usbfloppy
===
RCS file: /cvs/debian-boot/debian-installer/rootskel/src/linuxrc.usbfloppy,v
retrieving revision 1.1
diff -u -r1.1 linuxrc.usbfloppy
--- rootskel/src/linuxrc.usbfloppy  27 Sep 2003 12:13:45 -  1.1
+++ rootskel/src/linuxrc.usbfloppy  1 Oct 2003 20:38:47 -
@@ -1,7 +1,9 @@
 #!/bin/sh
 # This is a special linuxrc for the usb-chainboot floppy image.
+# it is not complete and may actually be removed
+# (if we manage to cram usb storage support onto the regular boot floppy)
  
-if [ $DEBCONF_DEBUG -gt 1 ]; then
+if [ $BOOT_DEBUG -gt 1 ]; then
set -x
 fi
  
@@ -62,8 +64,8 @@
 umount initrd/usb
 rm -f linuxrc # this program
 ln -s /sbin/init linuxrc
-if [ $DEBCONF_DEBUG -gt 0 ]; then
-   echo This is ia debug shell, just before running the new linuxrc.
+if [ $BOOT_DEBUG -gt 0 ]; then
+   echo This is a debug shell, just before running the new linuxrc.
sh
 fi
 exec /usr/sbin/chroot . /linuxrc dev/console dev/console 21

 
  Can have linuxrc also a debug shell?
 
 If it's useful..
 

It seems to be usefull for linuxrc.bootfloppy and linuxrc.usbfloppy,
however I don't have see yet how to activate the debug option,
so I don't change[1] the linuxrc.


Geert Stappers

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E: Unimplemented function

2003-10-01 Thread Robert Millan

Hi!

You might have noticed this already, but..

When running the latest d-i test iso image, I get a weird Unimplemented
function error.

Bochs snapshot attached.

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patch to reduce the size of discover-data-udeb

2003-10-01 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi Jeff

I was working on discover2 during d-i debcamp last week. I'm sending you
my changes to integrate them into the discover2 packages. I hope you
will find some time to work on them again soon. 
These are the changes:
Makefile:
- only include needed devicetypes (instead of excluding uneeded ones)
- do not install old hwlist in udeb
- compress udeb hwlists

debian/control
- add build dependency on python-xml

debian/rules
- do not include docs in udeb

reduce-xml:
- remove entries with kernel module unknown or ignore
  If you have better python-xml skills, you will probably 
  find a better way to adress this node in the xml-tree.

There's also a M$-Excel File in the source tar file
(merged_vendor_list.xls). AFAIK debian policy does not allow proprietary
data formats in source files.

Greetings

gaudenz 
diff -ru discover-data-2.2003.02.05/Makefile discover-data-2.2003.02.05.new/Makefile
--- discover-data-2.2003.02.05/Makefile	2003-06-19 21:57:39.0 +0200
+++ discover-data-2.2003.02.05.new/Makefile	2003-09-30 20:17:07.0 +0200
@@ -47,11 +47,11 @@
 
 shortxmllists: $(hwlists_DATA)
 	./reduce-xml --class-spec=linux:2.4 \
-		--exclude-bus=audio,miscellaneous,display,video \
+		--include-bus=modem,broadband,network,humaninput,removabledisk,bridge,fixeddisk,optical \
 		-i pci-vendor.xml -i pci-busclass.xml -i pci-device.xml \
 		-o pci-device-short.xml
 	./reduce-xml --class-spec=linux:2.4 \
-		--exclude-bus=audio,miscellaneous,display,video \
+		--include-bus=modem,broadband,network,humaninput,removabledisk,bridge,fixeddisk,optical \
 		-i usb-vendor.xml -i usb-busclass.xml -i usb-device.xml \
 		-o usb-device-short.xml
 
@@ -63,9 +63,6 @@
 
 install-udeb: shorthwlists shortxmllists
 	install -m 755 -d $(DESTDIR)$(hwlistsdir)
-	for list in $(old_hwlists_DATA); do \
-	  install -m 644 $$list-short $(DESTDIR)$(hwlistsdir)/$$list; \
-	done
 
 #	Install the full Discover 2.x data set into the udeb.
 	install -m 644 $(hwlists_DATA) $(DESTDIR)$(hwlistsdir)
@@ -76,6 +73,9 @@
 	install -m 644 usb-device-short.xml \
 		$(DESTDIR)$(hwlistsdir)/usb-device.xml
 
+#  Compress hardware lists
+	gzip -9 $(DESTDIR)$(hwlistsdir)/*.xml 
+
 uninstall:
 	for i in $(old_hwlists_DATA) $(hwlists_DATA); do rm $(DESTDIR)$(hwlistsdir)/$$i; done
 	for i in $(discover_data_EXEC); do rm $(DESTDIR)$(execdir)/$$i; done
diff -ru discover-data-2.2003.02.05/debian/control discover-data-2.2003.02.05.new/debian/control
--- discover-data-2.2003.02.05/debian/control	2003-02-05 18:52:37.0 +0100
+++ discover-data-2.2003.02.05.new/debian/control	2003-09-27 11:23:36.0 +0200
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@
 Priority: optional
 Maintainer: Progeny Debian Packaging Team [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Uploaders: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (= 4.0)
+Build-Depends-Indep: debhelper (= 4.0), python2.3-xml
 Standards-Version: 3.5.7
 
 Package: discover-data
diff -ru discover-data-2.2003.02.05/debian/rules discover-data-2.2003.02.05.new/debian/rules
--- discover-data-2.2003.02.05/debian/rules	2003-02-05 18:56:12.0 +0100
+++ discover-data-2.2003.02.05.new/debian/rules	2003-10-01 10:49:39.0 +0200
@@ -37,8 +37,8 @@
 binary-indep: build install discover-data-udeb
 	dh_testdir
 	dh_testroot
-	dh_installdocs
-	dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog
+	dh_installdocs -Ndiscover-data-udeb
+	dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog -Ndiscover-data-udeb
 	dh_compress -Ndiscover-data-udeb
 	dh_fixperms -Ndiscover-data-udeb
 	dh_installdeb -Ndiscover-data-udeb
diff -ru discover-data-2.2003.02.05/reduce-xml discover-data-2.2003.02.05.new/reduce-xml
--- discover-data-2.2003.02.05/reduce-xml	2003-06-05 08:17:33.0 +0200
+++ discover-data-2.2003.02.05.new/reduce-xml	2003-09-30 20:13:45.0 +0200
@@ -210,11 +210,15 @@
 for data_node in device_node.childNodes:
 if data_node.nodeType != xml.dom.Node.ELEMENT_NODE:
 continue
+
 do_data_node = False
 for spec in config[classspec]:
 if find_spec(spec, data_node):
-do_data_node = True
-break
+   
+module_name = data_node.firstChild.nextSibling.firstChild.nextSibling.firstChild.nodeValue
+if  (module_name != ignore) and (module_name != unknown):
+do_data_node = True
+break
 
 if do_data_node:
 if new_device_node is None:


Re: d-i initial boot problem

2003-10-01 Thread Geert Stappers
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 09:37:22PM +0200, thomas corda wrote:
 Thanks for telling. Are you willing to tell more?
 Like which images from which site you use.
 Tell also more about the hardware you are using.
 
 I've used the images from 
 http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/
 
 The PC:
 Dual Celeron 500 (Abit BP6 MoBo)
 256MB RAM
 4 hd + 2 cd drives
 graphic: Nvidia GForce1 32MB
 ethernet: Realtek RTL8139
 sound and isdn card
 
 I read that there is a bug in the usb-discover. The vesafb is modprobed 
 right after the usb stuff.
 I got an 'E: Unimplemented function' on a refreshed screen.
 

Okay, looks like 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2003/debian-boot-200310/msg00041.html
Please file a bugreport for it.


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Re: discover action items

2003-10-01 Thread Geert Stappers
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 02:57:06PM -0400, Eric Gillespie wrote:
 Hi, I am working on debian-boot's issues with discover.  Jeff Licquia
 forwarded me this mail from Petter Reinholdtsen listing the out-standing
 issues.  I can't reproduce two of them.  If there are others, please
 send them to me.
 
   - fix segfault if /etc/discover.conf is missing
  
   - Fix segfault when using some types (Check
 URL:http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2003/debian-boot-200306/msg00027.html
 
 I can't reproduce either of those on two separate systems.

Mmm, consider it fixed ;-)


 
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updating doc/TODO

2003-10-01 Thread Geert Stappers
Hello,

It is me pestering you, yes you ;-) to update the TODO file in the doc dir.


Geert Stappers

$ cvs diff -u doc/TODO
Index: doc/TODO
===
RCS file: /cvs/debian-boot/debian-installer/doc/TODO,v
retrieving revision 1.82
diff -u -r1.82 TODO
--- doc/TODO20 Jul 2003 09:25:40 -  1.82
+++ doc/TODO1 Oct 2003 22:18:21 -
@@ -20,6 +20,7 @@
  (#179048)
  
  * Split off hostname configuration from netcfg.
+ See #201707 and #201869
  
  * Error handling.  We need to make sure the user is told so when
something goes wrong.
@@ -119,7 +120,7 @@
  
 [0%] - Not begun
 -
-   - Some kind of a machanism for udebs to declare what parts of
+   - Some kind of a mechanism for udebs to declare what parts of
  busybox they need, so we can ensure that all deps are met while
  keeping the busybox footprint small.
   Packages depending on base-installer should use the


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Re: create netinst

2003-10-01 Thread Chris Tillman
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 10:34:32PM +0200, d00f wrote:
 Hi
 
   I want to install woody distrib on a new server IBM 335 but i need the
 MPT SCSI driver, bcm5700 ethernel driver . After lot of pb, i want to do
 my own netinst ISO. 
 
   How can i do a custom netinst ? Where can i find doc or information on
 how to do it ? does i need my own debian mirror ?
 
   What soft do you use to do your netinst iso ? debmirror ?

Download the source for debian-cd; if you're on a debian system,

apt-get source debian-cd

Hopefully there is documentation there about building and so on.

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Re: Trying again

2003-10-01 Thread Matt Kraai
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 04:18:53PM +0100, Daniel Silverstone wrote:
 On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 20:44, Daniel Silverstone wrote:
  Where can I find what is considered *the* businesscard ISO to test?
 
 People have told me that the current snapshots are known unusable.
 
 Is this still the case? I had wanted to give d-i another go.

I don't know them to be unusable.  Then again, I don't know them
to be usable either.

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Re: E: Unimplemented function

2003-10-01 Thread vetsel.patrice
I'v got the same error too.

Le jeu 02/10/2003 à 01:08, Robert Millan a écrit :
 Hi!
 
 You might have noticed this already, but..
 
 When running the latest d-i test iso image, I get a weird Unimplemented
 function error.
 
 Bochs snapshot attached.
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Re: discover action items

2003-10-01 Thread Eric Gillespie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geert Stappers) writes:

 Mmm, consider it fixed ;-)

Suits me.

 Are you on the mailinglist debian-boot ?

Yes.

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