Re: d-i first-stage configuration

[Thiemo Seufer]

Joey Hess wrote:
> Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> > Well, it does sound rather hairy at points, and I'm not really sure if being
> > presented with a big blob of information really helps a new user all that
> > much...
> 
> Language:   English
> Country:United States
> Keyboard:   us
> Network:eth0 using DHCP
> Hostname:   debian
> Mirror: http.us.debian.org
> Mode:   novice
> 
> You really think that will come across as a big blob of data, rather than
> a list of things that can be changed?

FWIW, I think it's a neat UI. To easen the "big blob" thing, the long
description of the selected entry chould be shown.


Thiemo


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Re: rev 309 - in trunk: debian tasks/po

[Denis Barbier]

On Fri, Jan 30, 2004 at 07:27:47AM +0100, Denis Barbier wrote:
> Author: barbier
> Date: 2004-01-30 07:27:46 +0100 (Fri, 30 Jan 2004)
> New Revision: 309
> 
> Modified:
>trunk/debian/changelog
>trunk/tasks/po/el.po
> Log:
> Update tasks/po/el.po  [Konstantinos Margaritis]
> 
> Modified: trunk/debian/changelog
[...]
> -  * Nikolai Prokoschenko
> -- Update russian translation

Whereas not mentioned in the svn log, this removal was intentional
because this update belong to the previous release.

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Make bootable CD from downloaded iso

[David MacQuigg]

Hello,

I would like to try out the new installer.  I downloaded the image file 
'sarge-i386-businesscard.iso', but the INSTALLATION HOWTO is not clear on 
how to make this image file into a bootable CD.  All I can find in six 
pages of instructions is Section 2.1: "burn it to a CD", and Section 3: 
"Put it into your CD-drive and make your system boot from CD".  After some 
Google searching, I played around with the dd command, but still could not 
get the desired result.  One problem may be that I don't yet have Linux 
running on the computer with my CD burner, so I'm booting from a Knoppix 
CD.  I can only get the CD to mount in 'read-only' mode.  Do I need a 
special CD burner program?

I would like a simple procedure to make a bootable CD out of this image 
file, preferably one that will work from a bare-minimum Linux system ( or 
even from Windows XP, if that is at all possible ).  Thanks for your help.

-- Dave



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apt configuration issues

[Allen Unueco]

I was testing debian-installer beta2 i386, the 100MB CD image version from:

http://people.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/beta2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso

I noticed some strange behavior during apt configuration. I would select 
'http' and then 'ftp.us.debian.org'. The screen goes black, it looked 
like 'apt-get update' was successful, and then comes back to the  apt 
config screen. I'm slightly confused at this point, was there an error? 
are we done? What do I do next? I did this over and over.

I went to the next virtual console and found many duplicate entries in 
/etc/apt/sources.list. I removed the duplicate entries and ran 'apt-get 
update' everything looks fine.

Finally I select 'http' and 'mirrors.kernel.org' and it goes to the next 
screen asking me if I want to add another apt source.

I'm not sure what the problem here is. I couldn't find any issue with 
the ftp.us.debian.org mirror and there wasn't any feedback to me saying 
there was any problem.

Also I wasn't provided with an option to select non-US, contrib, or 
non-free.

-allen

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Re: I'm interested in helping with the installer "help text"

[John Buttery]

* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-29 22:26:42 -0500]:
> In almost all cases, d-i should just make the safe and correct default
> _be_ the default, instead of resorting to documenting it in the
> description. Maybe there are one or two exceptions.

  I think that is the case (that the safe answer already is the
default); nevertheless it's been my experience that a lot of the newbies
that I've walked through new installs with don't know/understand that.
  One idea I had that may be a little out of control but could be kinda
neat, is for every screen with a question on it to have an option where
the user can select "I don't want to answer this question" and get the
safe default.

> I think we lean toward the latter, but I'm really not sure.

  OK...whatever you guys want to do is fine with me.  Personally I like
to keep it "professional" whenever possible, but sometimes professional
language gets in the way of conveying the knowledge with some of the
more esoteric concepts.  Try explaining shadow passwording to a newbie
using only "professional" language... :)

  By the way; is there an "automatic partitioning" option in the new
installer?  The two biggest stumbling blocks the people I help with
installs seem to have are partitioning and configuring the MTA.  Has it
been considered to have the option of automatic partitioning and/or
installing a really simple "just get the mail off my system" MTA like
ssmtp that doesn't need any real configuration besides "What is your
SMTP server, ask your ISP?"  Not saying exim isn't a great piece of
software, just that it may be overkill for most users who just need
local delivery between system accounts, and offloading outbound mail to
a smarthost...

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Re: goals for next release

[Andrew Pollock]

On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 09:05:19PM -0200, Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
> Also, maybe not a goal for beta3, but RAID support would be wonderful. I
> mean, not only the kernels modules (it's already in place), but giving
> the mdcfg (which was mentioned here some days ago) a try and improving
> it to make it usable. LVM and RAID support in d-i are two highly desired
> features.

LVM support is there, and is quite good (except for fscking #229328), it
just required you to run at a medium priority or lower. Can't speak for the
RAID support, but I'm quite ecstatic that you can use d-i to install a box
using LVM. It used to be such a pain. Now if only FAI would do LVM I'd be
over the moon...

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Re: goals for next release

[Andrew Pollock]

On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 01:17:38PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 10:39:39PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote:
> > FAIR
> > Full Automatic Installation Revisited.
> 
> More or less. :-) I don't know FAI in detail, but as far as I can tell, it
> contains a lot of infrastructure (ie. a full installation program, lots of
> server stuff etc.) that simply shouldn't be neccessary anymore with d-i.
> OTOH, people seem to be using it, and it is actively maintained.

I'm a reasonable sized user of FAI, and I've taken a strong interest in beta
testing d-i, and I also have some KickStart experience (probably more after
I update my RHCE next week).

>From my experience, what I believe the automated installs in d-i to do (not
having seen it done or tested it yet), it's not going to scratch the surface
of the functionality that FAI does, and FAI pisses all over KickStart for
flexibility (with the appropriate increase in learning curve and
complexity).

I think d-i automated installs and FAI will both have their place, going
forward, for different reasons. d-i may be good for a bare-metal recovery of
an existing installation, whereas FAI is probably going to be better at
deploying new installations on inconsistent hardware (I use it to run up
infrastructure servers, on random hardware).

Andrew


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Re: I'm interested in helping with the installer "help text"

[Joey Hess]

John Buttery wrote:
>   Definitely; that's right up my alley.  One of my main ideas is that I
> always thought the help text should very explicitly state "this is what
> you should put in answer to this question if you don't understand the
> question and want the safest answer"

In almost all cases, d-i should just make the safe and correct default
_be_ the default, instead of resorting to documenting it in the
description. Maybe there are one or two exceptions.

> of thing...but, I'm not opposed to just doing simple proofreading
> without changing the content if that's what the project wants.  Is the
> goal to lean more toward "professional phrasing" or "informal if it
> helps convey the information"?  While I do kind of pride myself on being
> able to do both at once, sometimes they're a little mutually exclusive.

I think we lean toward the latter, but I'm really not sure.

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Re: d-i first-stage configuration

[David Nusinow]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 09:48:21PM +0100, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> And besides, I don't think he has any GTK knowledge at all ;)

Well, there's no better time for him to learn! :-)

 - David Nusinow


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Re: I'm interested in helping with the installer "help text"

[John Buttery]

* Christian Perrier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-29 17:33:28 +0100]:
> (CC'ed just in case you aren't subscribed to -boot)

  Don't you have to be subscribed to post?  In any case, yes, I'm
subscribed.

> And, given your name, you're an english native spearker, aren't you?

  Definitely.  I'm also relatively advanced at reading/writing Spanish,
but there are probably others in the group more bilingual than me.

> All d-i debconf templates need some proofreading. A lot has already
> been done, but a few are maybe still awkward.
> 
> So, if you have time to give to the d-i project, then proofreading the
> debconf templates should be a good help.

  Definitely; that's right up my alley.  One of my main ideas is that I
always thought the help text should very explicitly state "this is what
you should put in answer to this question if you don't understand the
question and want the safest answer", so I'd like to work on that kind
of thing...but, I'm not opposed to just doing simple proofreading
without changing the content if that's what the project wants.  Is the
goal to lean more toward "professional phrasing" or "informal if it
helps convey the information"?  While I do kind of pride myself on being
able to do both at once, sometimes they're a little mutually exclusive.

> So you have the correct information for doing this (where to grab
> templates files and son on)?

  I don't have anything yet; the email you replied to was the first real
interaction I've had with Debian (other than a couple of bug reports).

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Re: New iso-3166-udeb package along with countrychooser

[Joey Hess]

Christian Perrier wrote:
> Alastair McKinstry just release a new version of the iso-codes package
> which now generates a iso-3166-udeb package. This package includes the
> iso_3166.tab file, which is used by countrychooser. 
> 
> Until now, countrychooser embarked its own iso-3166.tab file, but this
> was supposed to be only temporary as I think it's better to have this
> file provided by the package it belongs to.
> 
> Hence I hereby propose that we include the iso-3166-udeb package along
> with countrychooser and will thus remove the embarked iso-3166.tab
> file. This won't make any size increase...as long as countrychooser is
> included of course
> 
> What is the "clean" way to do this?

Wait until iso-3166-udeb enters the archive, and then update the
build/pkg-lists that include countrychooser to also include it.

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lilo problem!!!!!!!

[luisa]

Hello

   I need to install lilo on a HD on a machine that see it as /dev/sdc
and use it to boot linux (root=/dev/sdc1) on a machine that see it as
/dev/hdc (root=/dev/hdc1). My problem is that second machine realy is
not a PC, so I must create disk on a PC.
  Can you give me a clue???

  Thank you for all

 Angel



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Re: d-i first-stage configuration

[Joey Hess]

Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> Well, it does sound rather hairy at points, and I'm not really sure if being
> presented with a big blob of information really helps a new user all that
> much...

Language:   English
Country:United States
Keyboard:   us
Network:eth0 using DHCP
Hostname:   debian
Mirror: http.us.debian.org
Mode:   novice

You really think that will come across as a big blob of data, rather than
a list of things that can be changed?

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Re: d-i PT transalation - please commit

[Denis Barbier]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 09:33:09PM +, Miguel Figueiredo wrote:
> Hello guys,
> 
>   6 partman files to commit translated by Nuno Sénica.

Committed.

>   iso_3166 country codes translated by Miguel Figueiredo.

Please file a bugreport against the iso-codes package.

Denis


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Re: Automated installation

[Pedro M.]

Gerard Beekmans wrote:
We're using Debian at work that gets installed on our client's systems
and we would like to get to a point where we can insert a CD and walk
away from it while Debian is installed. Thus far I've done this using
boot-floppies, doing away with the front-end and use a shell script to
replace it that sets some defaults such as harddisk info, networking
info, etc, then use the debootstrap script and the 'woody' script to
install the core and base packages. It's not a pretty hack but it works
at least.
Then I found out about debian-installer so I was wondering if there is
something available to do an automatic installation without asking any
questions.
I did a search on this topic with the last being emails going alone the
lines of "it's probably a good idea to have this kind of feature in
debian-installer". Is this still the current situation or is more
information available on how to go about this?
Any pointers are appreciated.

By the way, I tried using yesterday's snapshot of the netinst ISO and
the installation didn't run. The base system gets installed, but it
aborts because debootstrap wasn't able to find 'sleep' and there seemed
to be problems with configuring some packages because dependencies
weren't met.
Is there a formal procedure I can use to report these errors?

Very good idea. I prefer debian-autoinstaller

Try

http://www.knoppix.net (hard disk installation):

Regards.

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Re: Bits from Debian-installer i18n

[Christian Perrier]

Quoting Simon Hürlimann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):


> But I'm always not sure if my mails to the BTS come. It can sometimes take up 
> to more than one day, 'till they show up. So here is the de.po file.


This happened a few weeks ago when master was short of disk space, or
overloadded, or whatever. But all is OK now. Your BR has really been
sent.

However it missed the iso-codes package release Alastair just did a
few hours ago.



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Re: [SUMMARY] Bits about countrychooser and languagechooser

[Christian Perrier]

Quoting Nikolai Prokoschenko ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 09:21:24AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> > BTW, is it possible to navigate the list by pressing the first char
> > of a country or such, and go direct to the place in the ordering
> > corresponding to it ?
> 
> Not until we have a list of countries and not "Please choose this to
> continue in English"...

With current CVS languagechooser, you indeed have:

arblahblahblah spaghetti blahblah
.../...
de_DE Dies auswÃhlen um auf Deutsch fortzufahren (Deutschland)
de_BE Dies auswÃhlen um auf Deutsch fortzufahren (Belgien)
de_CH Dies auswÃhlen um auf Deutsch fortzufahren (Schweiz)
.../...
ru_RU.KOI8-R ÐÑÐÐÑ ÐÑÐÐÑÑ ÑÐÐÐÑÑ ÐÐ-ÐÐ, 
ÐÑÐÐÑÐÑÐ ÑÑÑ ÑÑÑÐÐÑ
.../...


So, by pressing the first letter of the language code, you get near
your needed language.




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New iso-3166-udeb package along with countrychooser

[Christian Perrier]

Alastair McKinstry just release a new version of the iso-codes package
which now generates a iso-3166-udeb package. This package includes the
iso_3166.tab file, which is used by countrychooser. 

Until now, countrychooser embarked its own iso-3166.tab file, but this
was supposed to be only temporary as I think it's better to have this
file provided by the package it belongs to.

Hence I hereby propose that we include the iso-3166-udeb package along
with countrychooser and will thus remove the embarked iso-3166.tab
file. This won't make any size increase...as long as countrychooser is
included of course

What is the "clean" way to do this?


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Re: I'm interested in helping with the installer "help text"

[Christian Perrier]

(CC'ed just in case you aren't subscribed to -boot)

Quoting John Buttery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>   Hello...I'm pretty much a rank newbie when it comes to contributing
> to Debian, but I'd really like to give something back to the community.
> Unfortunately I'm not a coder...but I have been told that I'm good at
> explaining complicated concepts in simple terms, so if there's any need
> for updates to the installer's "help screens" (or even the main text on
> the various screens), could someone give me a suggestion on where I
> might volunteer?


And, given your name, you're an english native spearker, aren't you?

All d-i debconf templates need some proofreading. A lot has already
been done, but a few are maybe still awkward.

So, if you have time to give to the d-i project, then proofreading the
debconf templates should be a good help.

So you have the correct information for doing this (where to grab
templates files and son on)?


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Re: D-I can't find my IDE-controller (was: Intall Failure - Partitioning fails)

[Martin Michlmayr]

* Thomas Kalve Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-01-29 21:01]:
> > But then, maybe you don't have the correct driver for your hardware
> > or>something.
> 
> This happens to me also, on my HP Nc4000. The IDE-controller does
> not appear in dmesg at all.

Hmm, interesting.  It recognized it just fine when I did an install a
few months ago.  But perhaps the device should be added to discover?
(10b95229 -> alim15x3).

Can you switch to F2 and type "modprobe alim15x3".  Does that help?
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Re: about PLIP

[sylvain ferriol]

sylvain ferriol wrote:

hello
i 'm testing plip module and it works manually
before selecting plip from network modules list, i have to insmod 
partport_pc
the problem is that in modules.dep, plip depends on parport and 
patport_pc depends on parport too
but without parport_pc i have never succeded to make plip work

so we have to add in rootskel/src/etc/modules.conf:
alias parport_lowlevel parport_pc
if in bios , the parport is configured in ecp mode, we have to add 
another line in modules.conf: options parport_pc irq=auto
but it does not work with SPP (standard mode) so we must put instead in 
modules.conf: options parport io=0x378 irq=7 (many default bios config) 
, and it works in ecp mode too

the  first bad solution is to hardwire these options in modules.conf but 
it's arch specific
=> so we have to put modutils tool in rootskel

and the next solution is to display the ethdetect/params window for 
parport_pc module when the user select plip
=> so we have to create a sort of module dependences  tool for module 
params window :
=> example a ddetect.dep file with:  "plip: parport_pc"

so if the user wants to config  the plip  module ,  he has to config 
the  parport_pc module  too ;)

that's all folks
sylvain




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d-i PT transalation - please commit

[Miguel Figueiredo]

Hello guys,

6 partman files to commit translated by Nuno SÃnica.
iso_3166 country codes translated by Miguel Figueiredo.
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Changelogs, the 2nd

[Nikolai Prokoschenko]

Hello!

I don't want to rant or something, but I've just commited a couple of
translation updates for partman, mostly templates sync and have gone
nearly insane fiddling around with changelogs!!! As partman has newly
uploaded a new version, I had to add my entry to four of five
changelogs just for the sake of it. I've also noticed the other
translators' "efforts":

partman-ext3 (6) UNRELEASED; urgency=low

  * New unreleased version.
  * Translations
- Bart Cornelis
  - Updated Dutch (nl.po) translation
  * Claus Hindsgaul
- Updated Danish translation (da.po)
  * Nikolai Prokoschenko
- Updated russian translation (ru.po)

And so on and so on.

I have proposed a kind of script, which would take over this job at
least partially.  As far as I have understood the issue, this kind of
script might be wished, but it should be convenient for the
maintainers.

So, dear maintainers, as I am not a maintainer myself and do not have
any idea about how you release your packages, could you please tell me
how you'd like this automatic-translations-changelogs-update feature
to work, I'll try my best to implement it!

Thank you.

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Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(

[Joey Hess]

Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> debian-installer doesn't use 2.4.24 yet

It does as of last Tuesday.

> does that mean that I broke
> d-i by excluding the other kernels from the CDs ? Is that's true,
> couldn't d-i be a bit more clueful and install the latest
> kernel-image-2.4.x package that it finds ?

d-i is fairly robust in this area actually. It prefers to use
kernel-image-2.4- and those always depend on the most recent image.
If that's not available, it will instead use a hardcoded kernel version
(currently 2.4.22-1-386, but I just changed it to 2.4.24-1-396),
and if that is not available, it will use the most recent version of the
kernel it can find.

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Re: d-i first-stage configuration

[Steinar H. Gunderson]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 02:31:33PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Aaw. This does address some common annoyances, and it's not that big a
> change..

Well, it does sound rather hairy at points, and I'm not really sure if being
presented with a big blob of information really helps a new user all that
much...

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Re: d-i first-stage configuration

[Nikolai Prokoschenko]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 03:11:18PM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
> > and he had started one more "they-really-should-embrace-gtk"
> > discussion
> Hey, if he wants to write it, let him know he's more than welcome.
> Maybe we should send out a wide-range call for someone to work on
> the gtk frontend? "If you want it, we do too, so come and code it!"

Well, he wants to USE it :) And besides, I don't think he has any GTK
knowledge at all ;)

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Automated installation

[Gerard Beekmans]

We're using Debian at work that gets installed on our client's systems
and we would like to get to a point where we can insert a CD and walk
away from it while Debian is installed. Thus far I've done this using
boot-floppies, doing away with the front-end and use a shell script to
replace it that sets some defaults such as harddisk info, networking
info, etc, then use the debootstrap script and the 'woody' script to
install the core and base packages. It's not a pretty hack but it works
at least.

Then I found out about debian-installer so I was wondering if there is
something available to do an automatic installation without asking any
questions.

I did a search on this topic with the last being emails going alone the
lines of "it's probably a good idea to have this kind of feature in
debian-installer". Is this still the current situation or is more
information available on how to go about this?

Any pointers are appreciated.

By the way, I tried using yesterday's snapshot of the netinst ISO and
the installation didn't run. The base system gets installed, but it
aborts because debootstrap wasn't able to find 'sleep' and there seemed
to be problems with configuring some packages because dependencies
weren't met.

Is there a formal procedure I can use to report these errors?

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Re: d-i first-stage configuration

[David Nusinow]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 08:44:28PM +0100, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> and he had started one more "they-really-should-embrace-gtk"
> discussion

Hey, if he wants to write it, let him know he's more than welcome. Maybe
we should send out a wide-range call for someone to work on the gtk
frontend? "If you want it, we do too, so come and code it!"

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Re: goals for next release

[Nathanael Nerode]

> - security fixed, 2.4.24 kernel (with SATA support)
>
>Done for stock i386.

This is the "old" stock SATA driver, rather than Jeff Garzik's libata driver, 
right?

I quote from http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html:
>Intel ICH5 family â supported in 2.4.22 and later kernels using the stock
>kernel IDE driver (but that driver locks up in many cases), and also (much
  
>more reliably) in the ata_piix driver in Jeff Garzik's libata driver set. 

Has the lockup been fixed?  Otherwise I'm afraid this may not help me and 
others with the ICH5 chipset.  :-/  I know the lockup was still present in 
2.4.23.


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D-I can't find my IDE-controller (was: Intall Failure - Partitioning fails)

[Thomas Kalve Pedersen]

Sven Luther wrote:

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:37:57AM -0500, Erik Dykema wrote:
 

Sure, it says this:

$> parted
Error: No Device Found
Retry / Cancel?
   

Check the device you actually have, and then parted /dev/.

But then, maybe you don't have the correct driver for your hardware or
something.
 

This happens to me also, on my HP Nc4000. The IDE-controller does not 
appear in dmesg at all.
Normally, (taken from a "Debian on Nc4000"-HOWTO), look at this:

dmesg output: http://www.krattet.no/misc/dmesg
lscpi: http://www.krattet.no/misc/lspci
lspci -v: http://www.krattet.no/misc/lspciv
lspci -vv: http://www.krattet.no/misc/lspcivv
(All stolen from http://www.cyrius.com/)
It could be worth saying I used 2004-01-28 and 29 builds while trying. 
(All before that couldn't use the tg3-driver i need for my ethernet)

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Bug#230291: (no subject)

[Guillaume Lederrey]

Package: installation-reports

Debian-installer-version: 29-Jan-2004
http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/beta2/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso
uname -a: 
Date: 29-Jan-2004 20:00 UTC+1
Method: boot installation from CD, net install DHCP, behind firewall +
ADSL router, trying to install a debian testing
Machine: custom PC
Processor: AMD Athlon 500MHz
Memory: 128Mo
Root Device: SCSI, Adaptec AHA2940U2W
Root Size/partition table: 
Output of lspci:
Base System Installation Checklist:

Initial boot worked:[O]
Configure network HW:   [O]
Config network: [O]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:[O]
Mount partitions:   [O]
Install base system:[E]
Install boot loader:[ ]
Reboot: [ ]
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it
Comments/Problems:

* The screen to create filesystems is a bit overloaded. The full path to
devices makes it a bit hard to read.
* Base system install didnt work the first time, error log show that
debbootstrap crashed because of a missing "/bin/sleep". I copy it from
another system with librt.so.1.
* Then dependencies problems.  I give up for this time ...


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Re: d-i first-stage configuration

[Stephen R Marenka]

I'd love to see these changes implemented! With the current
setup in medium or low it can be a bit confusing as to which steps 
have been completed and which haven't (and I'm working with it nearly
every day!).

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Re: d-i first-stage configuration

[Nikolai Prokoschenko]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 07:08:01PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:

> > What if we changed how some items on the main menu are displayed,
> > so the short version (before the whole installer is loaded) looked
> > something like this:
> Could we please avoid making such drastic changes at this point? I
> feel we are already changing a bit too much between what we call
> `beta releases', given that we don't even know if we have to release
> soon... :-)

Who is to decide, when sarge gets released? I guess it'd be the
release manager, who would certainly ask debian-boot about the state
of the installer. And IMHO if there are any usability issues, which
are more or less easy to fix, then they should be implemented, as the
userbase (end-users, not the ones who know _why_ Debian is good) is
giving too much critisism about the installer. I've had a talk with
one sysadmin at work today, who was very surprised to hear that the
installer is at least usable (he assumed it was in a deep alpha stage)
and he had started one more "they-really-should-embrace-gtk"
discussion

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SATA scsi and ide detail found on debian-user

[Erich Waelde]

Hello,

nosing around I found

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/debian-user-200401/msg06750.html

Where the poster writes:

>  SATA disks can be seen as ide of scsi, I have only had success with scsi
>  (kernel config CONFIG_SCSI_ATA_PIIX=y), otherwise the syustem freezes
>  right after the disks are detected 


Maybe that is helpful for the problem ealier on this list starting at

http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/debian-boot-200401/msg01728.html


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Re: Not usefull kernel images take all first Debian sarge CD :(

[Raphael Hertzog]

[ removing debian-devel which is not really necessary but added
  debian-boot ]

Quoting Goswin von Brederlow:
> Test and pre kernels could be kept in sid exclusively.

They could, but for the moment they aren't and I have to live up with
that. :)

> For non i386 the list of kernels differs widely between archs.

Yes I address the problem only for i386. But I bet the problem is less
serious for other arches because they don't have so frequent uploads of
kernels, aren't they ?

> The first CD should have only one version, the one used in D-I, but as
> many flavours as possible without overcrowding. All other versions
> could be on later CDs. People might want a 2.2.x kernel or need a
> 2.6.0 kernel for their hardware.

debian-installer doesn't use 2.4.24 yet, does that mean that I broke
d-i by excluding the other kernels from the CDs ? Is that's true,
couldn't d-i be a bit more clueful and install the latest
kernel-image-2.4.x package that it finds ?

Cheers,
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Re: d-i first-stage configuration

[Joey Hess]

Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> Could we please avoid making such drastic changes at this point? I feel we
> are already changing a bit too much between what we call `beta releases',
> given that we don't even know if we have to release soon... :-)

Aaw. This does address some common annoyances, and it's not that big a
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Re: Intall Failure - Partitioning fails

[Erik Dykema]

I think that it is a driver problem, but the issue is that it worked in 
yesterday's, and every other days, build :)

When I go into /dev there is no scsi.  Perhaps something changed between 
then and now, which broke it?

Erik

Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:37:57AM -0500, Erik Dykema wrote:

Sure, it says this:

$> parted
Error: No Device Found
Retry / Cancel?
>
Check the device you actually have, and then parted /dev/.

But then, maybe you don't have the correct driver for your hardware or
something.
Friendly,

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Re: graphical syslinux boot screen

[Joey Hess]

Bluefuture wrote:
> > - a graphical syslinux boot screen (needs an artist)
> >
> > No progress. On the other hand, something like this might be
> > easy to turn into a decent boot screen:
> >
> > http://lychnis.net/img/Debian-background.png
> >
> > Not a blocker for the next release, but there are good reasons to
> > want a graphical boot screen.
> 
> Tatlin from Coresis (http://www.tatlin.net/) has made a Debian image for syslinux 
> boot screen. 
> He had send me and i forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> This image should be adapted to resolution, corol depth, and format needed for 
> syslinux.
> 
> If you like it you can contact me for other graphicals stuff for the new debian 
> installer (gui frontend?).

I replied to the mail with the image, but in summary, the image as it is
is too large and has too many colors to work as a syslinux boot screen.

I also personally prefer Matthew A. Nicholson's image, I think it's more
suitable, but that's just my personal feeling.

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Re: goals for next release

[Joey Hess]

Matthew A. Nicholson wrote:
> Attached is a little something I whipped up for lilo but it will work for 
> syslinux as well.  It should be in the right format I ran it through 
> bmptoppm then ppmtolss16.  I have the xcf if any one wants it.  I also 
> have the lilo splash bmp.  One day I plan to make a bootsplash theme 
> similar to it... one day...

This is really very nice.

Could you send me the xcf and bmp, and a copyright license? (GPL would
be good) I'll integrate it in to the installer.

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Bug#230279: Installer report for HP Omnibook 6000

[Martin Lucina]

Package: installation-reports

Debian-installer-version: 2004-01-02, 
ftp://ftp.r-net.sk/pub/linux/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot-initrd.gz
uname -a: 
Date: 2004-01-28, 17:00 CET
Method: network, via PXE from a local machine running Debian Woody
Machine: HP Omnibook 6000
Processor: Intel Pentium III-M 1133 Mhz
Memory: 256MB
Root Device: IDE 30GB
Root Size/partition table: 
part1 nfts 8 GB (not mounted)
part2 reiserfs 20 GB (/)
part3 swap 0.8 GB 
Output of lspci:

Base System Installation Checklist:

Initial boot worked:[O]
Configure network HW:   [O]
Config network: [O]
Detect CD:  [ ]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [E]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:[O]
Mount partitions:   [O]
Install base system:[E]
Install boot loader:[ ]
Reboot: [ ]
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Comments/Problems:

Problems

During hardware detection the installer complained about not being able
to load ide-disk. The disk was however dectected correctly.

deboostrap failed on the base system install. It appears to be because
of some dependency (possibly circular) involving gnutls. I'd paste the
original output from apt here, but my second try at running deboostrap
hosed the list of installed packages, so I don't have it no more.

Also in the deboostrap log was something like "sleep: command not
found". Strange since /target/bin/sleep exists.

Is there a way to convice the installer that deboostrap was successful
and continue with the next step? If there is, I couldn't find it.
Attempting to select "install kernel" just retried the deboostrap again.
(And hosed the list of installed packages, as mentioned above).

Network hardware detection found both eth0 (Intersil PRISM wireless) and
eth1 (Intel eepro100). The network configuration screen is confusing, it
didn't say which interface was which card, had to try DHCP on both until
I figured out that eth1 was the eepro100.

Disk partitioning is confusing. Once you create the partitions you get a
screen that lets you create filesystems. It's not at all obvious here
whether the filesystem names it prints are what it's going to create or
what is already on the disk or in fact if the disk partitioning was
successful.

Example:

I had two NTFS partitions originally. Deleted one of them and kept
part1. Thus part2 which was to be reiserfs got created at the start of
the old (now deleted) NTFS partition. However the partition selector
when creating filesystems was trying to be "smart" and (presumably)
examining the start of the new partition, where it still found NTFS.
This confused the hell out of me since it looked like the fdisk hadn't
done anything.

After re-reading it a few times, checking with the command line fdisk
and dmesg that the change had *really* been made, I realised what was
going on and went and created the new filesystem anyway.



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Re: d-i first-stage configuration

[Steinar H. Gunderson]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 12:31:14PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> What if we changed how some items on the main menu are displayed, so
> the short version (before the whole installer is loaded) looked
> something like this:

Could we please avoid making such drastic changes at this point? I feel we
are already changing a bit too much between what we call `beta releases',
given that we don't even know if we have to release soon... :-)

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Wrong scsi naming in lilo.conf and fstab (i386, scsi hd, floppy+usb install)

[Fleny68]

Hello,

i have tested boot floppy, with usb key with netinst 100M on a tulip 
with scsi hd. bootfloppy, hd-image and netinst.iso from 29 jan 2004 
snapshot.

1) modprobe sr_mod failed (no module of that name). No cdrom.

2) The installation goes well from usb stick, untill the reboot. HD not 
bootable. I guess this is a known grub problem.
Solution: boot in expert mode and choose lilo instead of grub.
May i suggest you propose lilo in non expert mode in case of scsi hd?

The 3) and 4) have the same origin. sdb instead of sda in lilo.conf and 
fstab. because at install time sda was usb stick, and at reboot time 
it's the hd.

3) Reboot failed "attempted" to kill init.
Boot with Linux root=/dev/sda3
4) fsck failed at boot sequence.
Mount at hand /usr, edit fstab with nano and replace sdb by sda.
To correct the 3) edit lilo.conf and replace sdb by sda. mount /boot too 
and rerun lilo.

Reboot. Success.

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d-i first-stage configuration

[Joey Hess]

What if we changed how some items on the main menu are displayed, so
the short version (before the whole installer is loaded) looked
something like this:

Language:   English
Country:United States
Keyboard:   us
Network:eth0 using DHCP
Hostname:   debianbox
Mirror: http.us.debian.org
Mode:   novice

Continue with install, using above settings
Execute a shell
Reboot the system

languagechooser would continue to prompt at high priority, but
the other items at the top of this menu would ask their questions at
medium priority, and come up with reasonale defaults when possible.

So, the user boots d-i, and selects her language (English). Next
main-menu runs through countrychooser (default to US for English),
kbd-chooser (default to us), netcfg (works just like it does now, except
hostname config might be split out to a hostcfg), and cdebconf-priority
(leaves priority at the default, high). As a last stage to each of
these, they modify their main menu item, (by substing into the debconf
template for it), to indicate how they are configured.

Now it gets to that blank line in the menu, and this is the ugly part --
that blank line lowers the priority to medium if it is not already
medium or lower. Perhaps their are better ways to accomplish this, but
the effect is that main-menu appears, like I've shown it above, with the
cursor on the "Continue the install" item. Now the user can go back and
select anything she wants to change.

Note that at medium priority, netcfg will prompt whether you want dhcp
or static networking, before probing for dhcp. This will solve a
complaint a few have voiced in install reports: It can be annoying to be
forced to use dhcp just because there is a dhcp server on the network.

Also, note that cdebconf-priority has been moved up into this top part
of the main menu again, and users can select it if they want to change
their priority at this point. I expect that it would only list two
choices, novice and expert. This will largely do away with the need to
boot the installer in expert mode; instead you can just switch to expert
mode at this point.

Once the user is done making any tweaks to her country, etc, she can
pick the "Continue with install" item, which will reset the debconf
priority to high (unless the user has lowered it to low), and d-i will
get on with loading the rest of itself and move on to partitioning.

This seems to give us what we want in terms of reduced number of
questions, without large reogranisations of how this part of d-i works,
and without losing modularity.

One little problem is that it assumes that we can fit everything we want
to be in this initial menu into the initrd. My example above adds only
cdebconf-priority to what is already on even our smallest (floppy)
initrd, so that should be doable.

Mm, I think that this may also be better for translators on some levels,
since it's probably easier to consisely translate "Language" rather than
"Choose your language". Of course, the values that are substituted into
the menu items ("English", "United States", "novice", etc), would need
to be appropriatly translated too.


This next part is where it gets really out there, but read on if you
dare.. ;-)

Now, I think it would be really nice if something similar could be done
for the second half of the install, so she gets a nice little menu along
these lines after d-i loads itself:

Partitioning:   automatic
Kernel version: 2.4.24-1-k7
Boot loader:grub

Install Debian, using above settings
Execute a shell
Reboot the system

And then if she wants, she can change her boot loader to lilo, or
pick a different kernel, or do manual partitioning. But there are
problems.. First that this little menu would need to be in a different
menu than main-menu, or it would have all the rest of main-menu before
it. Secondly, it would have to defer actually installing grub until the
"Install Debian" step, so these menu items would have to be new things
that only did the configuration. So we'd probably not be able to do this
without considerably more work.

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Re: Intall Failure - Partitioning fails

[Sven Luther]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 10:37:57AM -0500, Erik Dykema wrote:
> Sure, it says this:
> 
> $> parted
> Error: No Device Found
> Retry / Cancel?

Check the device you actually have, and then parted /dev/.

But then, maybe you don't have the correct driver for your hardware or
something.

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Bug#230261: Beta installer : installation-reports

[vincent]

Package: installation-reports

Debian-installer-version: 
http://people.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/beta2/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso
uname -a: Linux localhost 2.4.24-1-386 Tue Jan 6 19:18:04 EST 2004 GNU/Linux
Date: approximatively 28/01/04
Method: network install, from France, mir2.ovh.net   not Proxied

Machine:  Virtual Machine (VMware)

Processor: Athlon XP 2000+

Memory:   192 Mo

Root Device: Scsi emulated by VMware (real : Maxtor IDE)

Root Size/partition table: 
sda1 swap 509 M
sda2 Primary ReiserFS 3783 M

Output of lspci:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 
01)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 01)
00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 08)
00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB
00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 08)
00:0f.0 VGA compatible controller: VMWare Inc: Unknown device 0405
00:10.0 SCSI storage controller: BusLogic BT-946C (BA80C30) [MultiMaster 10] 
(rev 01)
00:11.0 Ethernet controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] 79c970 [PCnet32 
LANCE] (rev 10)
00:12.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 02)



Base System Installation Checklist:

Initial boot worked:[O ]
Configure network HW:   [O ]
Config network: [O ]
Detect CD:  [O ]
Load installer modules: [O ]
Detect hard drives: [O ]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:[O ]
Mount partitions:   [O ]
Install base system:[ O]
Install boot loader:[O]
Reboot: [O ]
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it



PS: 
This installer is really great !!!, i will now use it on a real machine. 
Thanks to all the debian devellopers.




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Re: Intall Failure - Partitioning fails

[Erik Dykema]

Sure, it says this:

$> parted
Error: No Device Found
Retry / Cancel?


Sven Luther wrote:
On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 09:49:12AM -0500, Erik Dykema wrote:

Hi-
	In the Jan 29th builds, partitioning fails on (at least) two 
	different machines, a Dell Powerapp Web 100, and an HP DL 360 G3.
	Installer seems to work fine, then kicks out to the menu with 
'Partition a hard drive' highlighted.  Pressing enter, the screen turns 
blue then returns to the menu.


Could you try going to console 2 and run parted in the console, and
pressing p there, and sending us the result of this command ?
Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: Intall Failure - Partitioning fails

[Sven Luther]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 09:49:12AM -0500, Erik Dykema wrote:
> Hi-
>   In the Jan 29th builds, partitioning fails on (at least) two 
>   different machines, a Dell Powerapp Web 100, and an HP DL 360 G3.
>   Installer seems to work fine, then kicks out to the menu with 
> 'Partition a hard drive' highlighted.  Pressing enter, the screen turns 
> blue then returns to the menu.

Could you try going to console 2 and run parted in the console, and
pressing p there, and sending us the result of this command ?

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: Remove my name from display!

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On Thu, 2004-01-29 at 06:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I request you to remove my name from public "mockering-list" of yours
> immediately.
> It has been on display for several years by now, and should be enough
> to satisfy
> your sick sense of humour. I give you 14 days to remove my name from
> the a.m. list.
> 
> Should you have some doubt of what I.m referring to, just seek with
> Google
> for "Taisto Kesseli", and you will find the referenced item (private
> email by nature).
> 
> (I just wonder how such an honourable organisation as yours,
> humiliates private
> persons in this way keeping real names on public mocking list for
> years?!  Or
> is it just an individual within the organisation behaving recklessly?)

I assume you are talking about:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2001/debian-www-200112/msg00086.html

and the Reply:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2001/debian-www-200112/msg00088.html

Well, since this is a community project, all communications on the
Mailing Lists that are a part of Debian, either real messages, SPAM or
VIAGRA advertisements being sent to the list are all there.

The Archiving of these message are there to make them easily
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Re: goals for next release

[Sven Luther]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 02:41:29PM -, Dermot Bradley wrote:
> >> The vendor already supplies full diffs for driver 6.21 at
> >> http://www.syskonnect.de/syskonnect/support/driver/htm/sk98lin.htm for
> >> 2.4.23 kernel.
> >
> > Cool, now you must convince Herbert to apply these to the official
> > debian kernels, and everyone should be happy.
> >
> > I guess the best way would be to open a bug report against
> > kernel-source-2.4.24 or something such, with tag d-i and patch, explain
> > your problem, and either provide the link to the patch or the patch
> > directly as attachement, and CC the bugreport to debian-boot.
> 
> I'd guess that by the time I get Herbert to agree((if indeed he would) and
> then for debian-installer to use this patched kernel-source-2.4.24 that
> 2.4.25 would probably be released with proper support already built in.

Well, debian-installer would probably use the new kernel in a matter of
days. Joeyh is very reactive on that.

> I've CCed Herbert in this reply for his comments.

Ok. Herbert what do you think about this, i think you are the one best
placed to make a decision one way or the other.

> >> I'm more than willing to act as a guinea pig for testing
> >> debian-installer
> >> on my NForce2 board.
> >
> > Yeah, but actually it has nothing to do with debian-installer, just a
> > plain 'debian official kernel doesn't support my hardware' kind of bug.
> 
> Well I'd expect the kernel used for debian-installer to be the bleeding
> edge kernel with support for all the latest network hardware so that
> someone can at least get debian installed (and network refreshed) in the
> first place. Whether the mainstream debian kernel supports that hardware
> isn't necessarily an issue as, with network access, the newly installed
> system can download any required patches etc if a new kernel does need to
> be built.

Well, debian-installer takes the kernel from the archive, and this is
willed, since it is bad that the install works, and then suddenly after
the reboot, the new kernel doesn't work anymore.

So, it is back to either wait 2.4.25, which can be soon or maybe also
not, or convince Herbert to add this patch.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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graphical syslinux boot screen

[Bluefuture]

> - a graphical syslinux boot screen (needs an artist)
>
>   No progress. On the other hand, something like this might be
>   easy to turn into a decent boot screen:
>
>   http://lychnis.net/img/Debian-background.png
>
>   Not a blocker for the next release, but there are good reasons to
>   want a graphical boot screen.

Tatlin from Coresis (http://www.tatlin.net/) has made a Debian image for syslinux boot 
screen. 
He had send me and i forward to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

This image should be adapted to resolution, corol depth, and format needed for 
syslinux.

If you like it you can contact me for other graphicals stuff for the new debian 
installer (gui frontend?).

Friendly.
Blue


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Re: goals for next release

[Dermot Bradley]

>> The vendor already supplies full diffs for driver 6.21 at
>> http://www.syskonnect.de/syskonnect/support/driver/htm/sk98lin.htm for
>> 2.4.23 kernel.
>
> Cool, now you must convince Herbert to apply these to the official
> debian kernels, and everyone should be happy.
>
> I guess the best way would be to open a bug report against
> kernel-source-2.4.24 or something such, with tag d-i and patch, explain
> your problem, and either provide the link to the patch or the patch
> directly as attachement, and CC the bugreport to debian-boot.

I'd guess that by the time I get Herbert to agree((if indeed he would) and
then for debian-installer to use this patched kernel-source-2.4.24 that
2.4.25 would probably be released with proper support already built in.

I've CCed Herbert in this reply for his comments.

>> I'm more than willing to act as a guinea pig for testing
>> debian-installer
>> on my NForce2 board.
>
> Yeah, but actually it has nothing to do with debian-installer, just a
> plain 'debian official kernel doesn't support my hardware' kind of bug.

Well I'd expect the kernel used for debian-installer to be the bleeding
edge kernel with support for all the latest network hardware so that
someone can at least get debian installed (and network refreshed) in the
first place. Whether the mainstream debian kernel supports that hardware
isn't necessarily an issue as, with network access, the newly installed
system can download any required patches etc if a new kernel does need to
be built.


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Intall Failure - Partitioning fails

[Erik Dykema]

Hi-
	In the Jan 29th builds, partitioning fails on (at least) two different 
machines, a Dell Powerapp Web 100, and an HP DL 360 G3.
	Installer seems to work fine, then kicks out to the menu with 
'Partition a hard drive' highlighted.  Pressing enter, the screen turns 
blue then returns to the menu.

Erik

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Bug#229761: #229761: Bad keymaps in installer

[Kenshi Muto]

I tried today's CVS and got some more informational messages.

At Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:13:58 +0900,
Kenshi Muto wrote:
> At Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:39:19 GMT,
> Alastair McKinstry wrote:
> > Is this in the install stage, or later? If so, which kernel, etc. did you use?
> 
> install stage.
> 
> 1. Choose language
> 2. Choose keymap
> 3. When I choose "Japanese" for keymap, something wrong happen.
>Installer backs menu and is set "Select a keyboard layout".
>I tried again, but same happen.
> 
>Virtual terminal 4 only repeats "tail /var/log/syslog: No such file or
>directory"

From Today's CVS:

DEBUG: configure console-keymaps, status: 0
DEBUG: virtual package console-keymaps
INFO: Setting debian-installer/serial-console to 0
INFO: Setting debian-installer/serial-console to 0
INFO: choose_keymap: keymap = jp106
INFO: kbd_chooser: setting keymap jp106
ERROR: **: kbd_chooser: KDSKBENT: Invalid argument
WARNING **: Configuring 'kbd-chooser' failed with error code 1
WARNING **: Menu item 'kbd-chooser' failed.

Is this helpful information for you?
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partman fails to build from source.

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| Automatic build of partman_6 on poseidon by sbuild/m68k 1.170.4
| Build started at 20040121-1630
| **

 [...]

| ** Using build dependencies supplied by package:
| Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.1.13), po-debconf (>= 0.5.0), libparted1.6-dev

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| dh_install parted_server bin
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`pwd`/debian/partman/bin/parted_server
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Re: goals for next release

[Sven Luther]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 12:27:47PM -, Dermot Bradley wrote:
> > Or backport the support to 2.4.24, which i guess would be much more
> > likely to happen, until 2.4.25 is released. Any date for that ?
> 
> kernel 2.4.24 has version 6.18 of the vendor's drive. 2.4.25 will have
> version 6.21.

Yep.

> The vendor already supplies full diffs for driver 6.21 at
> http://www.syskonnect.de/syskonnect/support/driver/htm/sk98lin.htm for
> 2.4.23 kernel.

Cool, now you must convince Herbert to apply these to the official
debian kernels, and everyone should be happy.

I guess the best way would be to open a bug report against
kernel-source-2.4.24 or something such, with tag d-i and patch, explain
your problem, and either provide the link to the patch or the patch
directly as attachement, and CC the bugreport to debian-boot.

> I'm more than willing to act as a guinea pig for testing debian-installer
> on my NForce2 board.

Yeah, but actually it has nothing to do with debian-installer, just a
plain 'debian official kernel doesn't support my hardware' kind of bug.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Bug#230241: installation-reports: Spanish keyboard doesn't configured

[Javi Castelo]

Package: installation-reports
Version: Beta 2
Severity: normal

INSTALL REPORT:

Debian-installer-version: 03-Jan-2004 14:46 (107M)
http://people.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/beta2/sa
+rge-i386-netinst.iso
uname -a:Linux debian 2.4.22-1-386 #9 Sat Oct 4 14:30:39 EST 2003 i686
GNU/Linux
Date: 2004-27-1 22:10+100
Method: boot:Linux  from DVD-ROM, IDE-2 slave
Machine: anonymous desktop computer
Processor: Pentium III Celleron Coppermine 1,1 Ghz
Memory: 512 MB
Root Device: IDE-1 master (ST-360020A)
Root Size/partition table:
/dev/hda11   /  ext3defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1
/dev/hda7none   swapsw 0 0
/dev/fd0 /floppyautorw,user,noauto 0 0
/dev/hdd /cdrom autoro,user,noauto 0 0
proc/proc   procdefaults   0 0

Output of lspci:
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C693A/694x [Apollo
PRO133x] (rev c4)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C598/694x [Apollo
MVP3/Pro133x AGP]
00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South]
(rev 40)
00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc.
VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT8233/A/C/VT8235 PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1a)
00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB (rev 1a)
00:07.4 Bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev40)
00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev07)
00:0c.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port(rev 07)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2MX/MX 400]
(rev b2)

Base System Installation Checklist:

Initial boot worked:[O]
Configure network HW:   [O]
Config network: [O]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:[O]
Mount partitions:   [O]
Install base system:[O]
Install boot loader:[O]
Reboot: [O]

Comments/Problems:

1.- Spanish keyboard loaded during installation doesn't recognize very
important chars like «ñÑáéíóú». These chars are fundamentals in spanish
language.
2.- During installation process I can see: ... ISO-8859-15 unknown ...
3.- After install lilo it ejects IDE-2 master but I installed from
IDE-2 slave.

Best regards.

Javi Castelo.

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Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux debian 2.4.22-1-386 #9 Sat Oct 4 14:30:39 EST 2003 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C



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Re: goals for next release

[Dermot Bradley]

> Or backport the support to 2.4.24, which i guess would be much more
> likely to happen, until 2.4.25 is released. Any date for that ?

kernel 2.4.24 has version 6.18 of the vendor's drive. 2.4.25 will have
version 6.21.

The vendor already supplies full diffs for driver 6.21 at
http://www.syskonnect.de/syskonnect/support/driver/htm/sk98lin.htm for
2.4.23 kernel.

I'm more than willing to act as a guinea pig for testing debian-installer
on my NForce2 board.


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Re: Remove my name from display!

[Cameron Patrick]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

| I request you to remove my name from public "mockering-list" of yours
| immediately.  It has been on display for several years by now, and
| should be enough to satisfy your sick sense of humour. I give you 14
| days to remove my name from the a.m. list.
| 
| Should you have some doubt of what I.m referring to, just seek with Google
| for "Taisto Kesseli", and you will find the referenced item (private email 
| by nature).

Well, assuming that the page you're talking about is:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2001/debian-www-200112/msg00086.html

You sent a message to a publicly archived mailing list - not a private
email as you claim - and I don't imagine that anyone is likely to remove
it.  From http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ :

The mailing lists are public forums.

All emails sent to the lists are distributed both to the list
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Rather than sending this message to an unrelated mailing list - where,
once again, it will end up in the archives on the web - you should
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (FWIW, that address is also given on the
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Remove my name from display!

[taisto . kesseli]

I request you to remove my name from public "mockering-list" of
yours immediately.
It has been on display for several years by now, and should be enough to
satisfy
your sick sense of humour. I give you 14 days to remove my name from the
a.m. list.
Should you have some doubt of what I.m referring to, just seek with
Google
for "Taisto Kesseli", and you will find the referenced item
(private email by nature).
(I just wonder how such an honourable organisation as yours, humiliates
private
persons in this way keeping real names on public mocking list for
years?!  Or
is it just an individual within the organisation behaving
recklessly?)
T Kesseli

Bug#230225: Package: installation-reports

[Karl-Heinz Eischer]

Package: installation-reports

Debian-installer-version: Beta 2
uname -a: 
Date: Tue Jan 29 11:49:36 CET 2004
Method: CD-Install (only hitting return ;-)
Machine: Intel compatible  
Processor: K6-2/366 MHz
Memory: 192 MB
Root Device: /dev/ide/host1/disk0/target0/lun0/part5
Root Size/partition table:
IDE3 master, part. 147.0 MiBext3/boot
IDE3 master, part. 54.7 GiB XFS /
...
Output of lspci:
not nessary.

Base System Installation Checklist:

Initial boot worked:[O]
Configure network HW:   [O]  
Config network: [O]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:[ ]
Mount partitions:   [E]
Install base system:[E]
Install boot loader:[ ]
Reboot: [ ]
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Comments/Problems:

The Installer does not check if the root partition could be mounted:
I had a XFS-Filesystem on the root-partition (/dev/hdb5) and tried to
install there. The kernel wasn't able to mount it (ok, this is not
supported, so it's no bug), but installed everything into the ramdisk.
After the ramdisk was full, the installation aborted.

Karl-Heinz Eischer
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Bug#152152: Fw: STOCK MARKET BULLETIN: 7-Eleven Stores looking to add QENC bottled water

[Clyde Skinner]

OTC FIRST ALERT - 2003 Third Quarter Net Income Rose 76.8%

Symbol: QENC
Market: OTC
Sector: High End Natural Bottle Water

BREAKING NEWS: JERICHO, N.Y., Jan 28, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Queench, Inc
(OTC: QENC) In Negotiations with 7-Eleven Stores for Nationwide Launch of 
Queench Products - 7-Eleven is looking forward to adding to their inventory
various sizes of Queench water products. 7-Eleven has more than 4000 stores
nationwide. Each store consistently serves on average 1300 customers in a 
24-hour period, giving Queench products added exposure within their market
share.


BREAKING NEWS: JERICHO, NEW YORK, Jan 20, 2004 (CCNMatthews) -- Queench, Inc.
(OTC: QENC) Board of Directors include Spencer Gillette, Chairperson - Vice
President of Blimpie Corporation, Bill Ford - Owner of Ford Modeling Agency,
La-Van Hawkins - President of Hawkins Food Group, Curtis Martin - New York
Jets All-Star Running Back...

BREAKING NEWS:  Jan 8, 2004 -- QENC is now a full-time supplier of bottled
water to the military.  QENC today announced that it has completed inspection
and approval of its water bottling plants by the U.S. Army Veterinary Command
(VETCOM).

BREAKING NEWS:  Nov. 13, 2003 -- QENC 2003 Third Quarter Net Income Rose 76.8%.
The Third Quarter Net Income ending 9/30/03 increased 76.8% from the Q2, and a
987% increase year-to-year. Net income for the 9 months ending 9/30/03
resulted in a 1274% year-to-year increase.



Jim Furey of Lehman Brothers says, "You want to own small stocks versus large
stocks when economic growth is accelerating, which is exactly the period we're
in now."

QENC is a small company perfectly poised to harness the $7.6 billion bottle
water segment with a high quality premium brand priced competitively.

The bottled water segment is the fastest growing of the beverage market.  Of
the $100 billion beverage industry, bottled water is nearly $7.6 billion
annually, and forecasted to grow over 50% over the next 5 years.

In this bottled water segment, QENC has the best of both worlds, where unlike
Aquafina and Dasani, QENC is high-end natural spring water, and unlike Evian,
QENC is competitively priced.  QENC's target consumer is health and beauty
conscious including Gen Y, Gen X, and Baby Boomers who live a metropolitan
lifestyle.

QENC currently offers two fantastic product lines: Queech Natural Spring Water
and the Queech Flavored Water Beverages, which are vitamin-enhanced and come
in five cool new flavors: Coconut, O' Ginger, Red Raspberry, Pineapple and
Lemon.


DISTRIBUTION AND MARKETING

Jan 28, 2004 QENC announced today that 7-Eleven is looking forward to adding
to their inventory various sizes of Queench water products. 7-Eleven has more
than 4000 stores nationwide. Each store consistently serves on average 1300
customers in a 24-hour period, giving Queench products added exposure within
their market share.

QENC bottled water is nationally distributed through SYSCO FOODS.  SYSCO Foods
is the largest food distributor operating 145 locations and has sales and 
service relationships with 420,000 customers including restaurants, healthcare
and educational facilities, lodging establishments, and more.  This
relationship provides key access to new markets with low capital requirements.

Naomi Campbell's NC CONNECT integrated marketing agency, has signed to help
QENC reach national and global consumers by providing marketing and
advertising that will position QENC as a major lifestyle brand in the bottled
water market.

01/08/04: QENC completed inspection and approval of its plants by the US Army
Veterinary Command (VETCOM).  QENC's been supplying the military contract in
the South and Florida and the Army has been increasing orders on a monthly
basis, which will result in higher Q1 2004 revenue.

12/03/03: QENC's strategically placing new eye-catching vending machines in
locations on college campuses, retail, entertainment and sports venues and
convenience stores.  500 vending machines installed in initial rollout in 2003
with approx. 2,500 vending machines to be installed in a 3-year period. The
beverage-vending channel is typically highly profitable.



FINAL CONSIDERATIONS

7-Eleven is looking forward to adding to their inventory various sizes of 
Queench water products.

12/03/03: QENC is currently shipping over 54,000 cases of bottled water
quarterly, with a year-to-date quarterly revenue growth rate of 19.7%

QENC's NET INCOME for the Q3 ending 9/30/03 increased 76.8% from the Q2, and a
987% increase year-to-year. Net income for the 9 months ending 9/30/03
resulted in a 1274% year-to-year increase.

QENC's SALES for the Q2 of 2002 increased 77% to $848,269 year-to-year, from
$478,052, as a result of rolling out new product lines and implementing a 
channel development strategy.

QENC's high quality premium water is priced very competitive, they have an
excellent distribution channel with SYSCO and strategically placed vending
machines, and a marketing campaign designed to focus on

Re: [SUMMARY] Bits about countrychooser and languagechooser

[Nikolai Prokoschenko]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 09:21:24AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote:
> BTW, is it possible to navigate the list by pressing the first char
> of a country or such, and go direct to the place in the ordering
> corresponding to it ?

Not until we have a list of countries and not "Please choose this to
continue in English"...

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Re: daily image builds failing

[Martin Sjögren]

ons 2004-01-28 klockan 17.00 skrev Matt Kraai:
> Howdy,
> 
> Most of the daily image builds are failing because udpkg depends
> on libdebian-installer4 (>= 0.17.cvs), but they don't see
> libdebian-installer4 0.18, which was apparently uploaded on
> January 21.

I was wondering this myself. Turns out that the apt-get upgrade in the
cron job was failing, because of 404s on the mirror I'm using.
Incomplete mirror pulse or something, I have no idea. Anyway, I just did
a manual apt-get upgrade in the chroot, so today's build should be fine.

Well, "fine" is relative I guess. For some reason, cd_drivers and
net_drivers still don't build properly. I'm going to have a closer look
at that.


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Re: Bits about countrychooser and languagechooser

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> On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 09:04:43AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> >  you choose "ru" Russian (Other countries) as language rather than
> >  "ru.RU" Russian (Russia)
>
> So you will be presenting the (Other countries) selection for each
> supported language? It a bit redundant.

definately, I'd prefer:
1. language question (one entry for each language)
2. country question (list of countries where the chosen language is commonly 
spoken+ other for people that want something unusual)

> > -ru_DE will be your default locale
>
> Wow, never thought about that. Would this work? I guess not at the
> moment, but it'll be really descriptive.

hm, in this case we should probly do some guessing for the defaults off the 
different LC_* values, show those and let the user adjust.

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Re: goals for next release

[Sven Luther]

On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 05:18:19PM -, Dermot Bradley wrote:
> >  - security fixed, 2.4.24 kernel (with SATA support)
> >
> >Done for stock i386.
> >
> > Other arches may not be able to update to 2.4.24, but should at
> > least be updated to versions w/o all the security problems.
> > I think powerpc is completly fixed already, what about the rest?
> >
> > This also seems like a must for the next release.
> >
> > ETA: Couple of weeks?
> 
> Please please please can you consider using 2.4.25-pre6 (or later) for the
> installer as otherwise people with motherboards with onboard Marvell
> gigabit ethernet chipsets won't have a working ethernet adaptor
> otherwise

Or backport the support to 2.4.24, which i guess would be much more
likely to happen, until 2.4.25 is released. Any date for that ?

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: goals for next release

[Sven Luther]

On Thu, Jan 29, 2004 at 12:11:48AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Bastian Blank wrote:
> > dpkg failes to generate a changes file for such package, see #229143.
> > Please make aj decide this to be RC. The code is rather unreadable so i
> > don't fix it myself.
> 
> I don't expect that will be particularly hard to fix (similar fixes were
> done to make dpkg-genchanges support udebs), I'm more worried
> about how dinstall will react to the .changes file afterwards.
> 
> > >  - subarchitecture support for powerpc and m68k
> > > 
> > >   In progress. Actually, this may still happen for beta2/powerpc.
> > 
> > NACK, it needs fixes in libdi, main-menu and anna.
> > The first is already in unstable, the last two build-depends against
> > that version and needs uploads.
> 
> Hmm, that sounds a lot less beta-2 likely.

Well, for me, ok we can skip it, it is not all that important, only for
yaboot showing up while it should not, but since there is nobootloader
as fallback method, it should be ok.

Maybe we could do something so that yaboot fails graciously and offer
nobootloader or something such, which would work around that problem and
be transparent to users.

Currently yaboot-installer fails saying there is no AppleBootstrap or
whatever partition there. There are two issues :

  1) subarches for which yaboot is supposed to work (chrp & chrp-rs6k,
  limited to chrp-rs6k, since both non rs6k chrp i know of (pegasos and
  longtrail) have various problems with yaboot.

  2) subarches where yaboot has no chance of working (current pegasos,
  oldworld, apus, prep).

In the first case, i guess yaboot doesn't use the apple partition table,
but something else, i think a raw partition on ibm chrp-rs6k at least,
don't really know about others. This would mean yaboot-installer to be
fixed to recognize either of those.

In the second case, yaboot-installer could simply fail, either silently
and the nobootloader dialog would appear (it isn't appearing though, i
guess something in the postinst debconf stuff is bad, or priority not
right), or a more verbose "this appears to not be a rs6k chrp or
newwolrd pmac powerpc box, yaboot will not work, no boot-loader will be
installed, ... and go to install the nobootloader.

Ideally, but i don't know if this is beta2 stuff, a bootloader selector
would be done, which on powerpc selects yaboot, quik, nothing, and on
x86 would select grub, lilo, nothing. This could only be shown on lower
priority, and fallen back to if the primary boot-loader somehow fails.

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: [SUMMARY] Bits about countrychooser and languagechooser

[Sven Luther]

On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 11:53:06PM +0100, Nikolai Prokoschenko wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2004 at 10:41:21AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> 
> > Advantages: simple to implement, may be done quickly Drawbacks : the
> > language selection list will be quite long as we will end up with
> > about 20 supported languages and 2 entries for most of them
> 
> It is actually a huge drawback -- the current language list (on the
> first screen) is full with similar German and English translations,
> which makes you think it's a bug, but a bit later you notice these are
> for different countries. Then you go down the list, seeing all other
> languages above yours, thinking about how it sucks, that the list gets
> sorted like ARABIC-latin-"rest of the world", then you start silently
> complaining about bad russian translation, when you notice it's
> actually Bulgarian and the russian one is two items down the
> list... :)

BTW, is it possible to navigate the list by pressing the first char of a
country or such, and go direct to the place in the ordering
corresponding to it ?

Friendly,

Sven Luther


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Re: MD/Software RAID support

[Paul Fleischer]

On Wednesday 28 January 2004 14:24, Finn-Arne Johansen wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 01:40:33AM +0100, Paul Fleischer wrote:
> > Hi again,
> > I have put both the mdcfg and my modified mdadm package (modified to
> > create the udeb) up on http://proguy.dk/d-i/ for those who want to try
> > them out. Only the source packages are currently available, but I can
> > supply i386 if needed.
> > Currently, the process will fail when trying to configure a kernel for
> > the system. The solution is to install mdadm on the target partition, and
> > retry the operation. I will look into this shortly.
>
> Without having tested your package, Doesn the installation of the
> kernel fails due to the fact that grub-installer/update-grub doesn't
> handle Raid partitions ?

I haven't tried it with Grub yet, but I would expect it to fail in the general 
case. As far as I know (and do please correct me if I'm wrong) Grub installs 
a minimum on the actual MBR, while LILO will be placing the whole initrd 
image there.
That said it might work on RAID1 partitions, since the component devices still 
can be accessed by Grub as normal ext2/ext3/xfs/whatever partitions.

The actual problem regarding the kernel installation, is that the 
mkinitrd-script finds MD devices present. Therefore it would like to include 
some kind of tool to enable those (mdadm is my choice, it could as well be 
raidtools2). And this is all done in one of the configuration scripts of the 
kernel packages.

The simple solution is of course to install mdadm as part of the base 
installation, but people not needing it might get annoyed by that.
However, I'm going to look into the "install-by-need"-process as soon as I get 
some time again.

Regards,
-- 
Paul Fleischer // ProGuy

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