Re: [D-I] Call for translation update for next Beta release

2006-06-20 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Frans Pop ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

 This will be the last Beta release. The next release will be a release 
 candidate (RC) for Etch. For RC releases we _will_ have formal string 
 freeze periods for translation updates and it is also more important that 
 you have your translations updated to 100% because otherwise you run the 
 risk that the installer will be actually released with an incomplete 
 translation!


And, translators believe me, you will have someone who will nitpick
you very loudly for you to update your translations:-)


Hopefully, for the RC releases, I will have achieved the D-I levels
reorganization which will give you better priorities.

Actually, please focus on levels 1, 2 and 5.




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Re: Status of debian-installer for the native ppc64 port

2006-06-20 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi,

On Monday 19 June 2006 22:56, Sven Luther wrote:
  In the end I gave up and stopped working on that approach. A few month
  later I started again to work on the installer, but this time I tried to
  create a separate native ppc64 d-i port. This turned out to be pretty
  easy and the resulting installer almost worked out of the box.
  So I did not return to the cross-installation idea.
 I feel that it is the best solution for this, which should satisfy
 everyone, so if at least Frans agrees on this plan too, we can try to work
 in that direction.

which solution do you think is better? the cross-installer (isnt there one for 
amd64 already?) or the native installer?


regards,
Holger


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Re: stagger forced fsck on reboot

2006-06-20 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:40:05PM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote:
 The inconvenience could be ameliorated if the force-fsck mount counter
 could be staggered for each partition.  For instance, the first
 partition on every 20 mounts, the second on every 21, and so on.  Then
 on a given reboot, on average you'd only have to put up with one forced
 fsck, not all of them together.

as far as i know it's also possible to set the counter to a specific
value, which might be better. so make them all be checked after 20
maounts, but set the counters to 0, 1, 2, 3 and so on after the
isntallation.

cu  robert

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Bug#374228: installation-reports: Installation failed with base-installer/no_codename on AMD64

2006-06-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 04:40, Anthony Juckel wrote:
 FYI, the 2006-06-20 amd64 netinst image is still using a 2.6.15
 kernel, so I still get the same module load error.  I've got a vested
 interest in testing the nightlies until I get a version that works for
 me, so I'll keep relating my experience until I get the system up and
 running.  I've subscribe to debian-boot for the time being as well.

I saw on IRC that there was a script error that prevented mirror 
synchronization again, which has been fixed.
However, I also see there have been no new AMD64 d-i images built the last 
2 days...

I've contacted the relevant people.

If you want to check for yourself, check this page that new d-i images for 
AMD64 have been built:
http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/build-logs.html

The first CD images built after that should be OK (I hope).

 Would it be better to send my feedback to that forum, or keep a thread
 running on this bug?

This is fine as it ends up on the d-boot list anyway.

Cheers,
FJP


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Re: Status of debian-installer for the native ppc64 port

2006-06-20 Thread Andreas Jochens
Hello,

Holger Levsen wrote:
 which solution do you think is better? the cross-installer (isnt there 
 one for amd64 already?) or the native installer?

There is currently no cross-installer for amd64 as far as I know.

There is not even a 64-bit kernel flavor in the i386 repository.
There was one some time ago but it has been discontinued.

I do not think that there is a 'better' solution. Both solutions
have their place. The amd64 native 64-bit installer should not be 
dropped just because the i386 32-bit installer can be used to 
cross-install amd64. The same is true for the ppc64 case in my opinion.

Anyway, at the moment the native 64-bit installer is the only one
that works for the ppc64 installation. But it would certainly be
helpful to get the cross-installation option also implemented.

Regards
Andreas Jochens


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RE: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Viti Davide
 I have been fighting the whole Sunday to make a patch to the debian
 package gtk+2.0 so that it produces also a library with the directfb
 backend.

why?
The Gnome team will support the D-I team in producing the gtk+-directfb
packages.

 Until now I have maneged to make a separate set of targets in the
debian/rules.
 
 Still there are some problems because in the Debian package it seems
 that the configure* files have also some .orig counterparts and I
 haven't figured yet what is the flow of the things during the build
 for these files. (directfb gdk-target is still not visible, because
 the configure* files are rewritten - this is the most recent info I
 have, but I had to blindly try to compile the package and went on a
 wrong track for some time causing me to waste about 4-5 hours).
 
 I am still unsure about the way I should tell the build system to use
 the cairo.so file provided by the libcairo2-directfb-dev package
 (Dave, I fear that symlinks will be necessary for this file,
 too). Also I am not sure if the so file should not be called something
 like cairo-directfb.so, but am so unsure of these things that i think
 nothing should be done until this issue is calrified.

Cairo is fine and, apart from the couple of things pointed out by Frans,
package can be
used for compiling gtk+: why should we delay things? why should the
library be
renamed? there's no such an issue and things have been handled properly
via
.pc file.
have you checked the packages? (yes, I have)
Would you please double check before sendig such messages to package
maintainers and
Multiple MLs?

 Now I think I got the general idea behind the build process of gtk+2.0
 Debian package and I hope I will manage to get tonight the direcfb
 library to build.

The library builds fine already (see [2] and [3]).
Are you familiar with rebuilding all the libraries, the needed udebs and
the mini.iso
(I know you've rebuilt from source Dave's package)?
have you managed to rebuild the new libraries and to create a g-i image
based
on those? if so, can you please provide a link to a ppc mini.iso based
on the new libs?
From one of your messages on d-boot ([1]) you say that current ppc g-i
is
broken, so shouldn't the crash be fixed before trying to use the new
libraries
or do you blindly assume that everythings will be magically ok with the
new libs?

your help is of course _very_ welcome, but to me it looks like you're
doing
the wrong thing at the wrong time: rebuilding the libs from scratch was
very useful
a while back (before and soon after Extremadura), when Mike needed the
support for putting 
the dfb backend into cvs and at the time Attilio and myself spent alot
of time and effort 
on doing this (see wikis).
now what is needed is testing the packages produced by the official
maintainers and not
duplicating their work or delaying other people' work.

regards,
Davide

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg00667.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg00687.html
[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg00902.html



Re: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Eddy Petrişor

On 6/20/06, Viti Davide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have been fighting the whole Sunday to make a patch to the debian
 package gtk+2.0 so that it produces also a library with the directfb
 backend.

why?
The Gnome team will support the D-I team in producing the gtk+-directfb
packages.


I wanted to do so... and if I do it right, their work will be less.


 Until now I have maneged to make a separate set of targets in the
debian/rules.

 I am still unsure about the way I should tell the build system to use
 the cairo.so file provided by the libcairo2-directfb-dev package
 (Dave, I fear that symlinks will be necessary for this file,
 too). Also I am not sure if the so file should not be called something
 like cairo-directfb.so, but am so unsure of these things that i think
 nothing should be done until this issue is calrified.

Cairo is fine and, apart from the couple of things pointed out by Frans,
package can be
used for compiling gtk+: why should we delay things? why should the
library be
renamed? there's no such an issue and things have been handled properly
via
.pc file.
have you checked the packages? (yes, I have)
Would you please double check before sendig such messages to package
maintainers and
Multiple MLs?

 Now I think I got the general idea behind the build process of gtk+2.0
 Debian package and I hope I will manage to get tonight the direcfb
 library to build.

The library builds fine already (see [2] and [3]).


The impression that the above messages left me is that the library
used for the image was simply built from sources and added in the
image via a tarball, not via a package. Am I not correct about this?


Are you familiar with rebuilding all the libraries, the needed udebs and
the mini.iso
(I know you've rebuilt from source Dave's package)?
have you managed to rebuild the new libraries and to create a g-i image
based
on those? if so, can you please provide a link to a ppc mini.iso based
on the new libs?
From one of your messages on d-boot ([1]) you say that current ppc g-i
is
broken, so shouldn't the crash be fixed before trying to use the new
libraries
or do you blindly assume that everythings will be magically ok with the
new libs?


Note: I feel much anger in your writing...

I don't consider it my responasbility to fix those images, as I have
said some time ago, I just have time for testing. In spite of that I
wanted to see gtk+2.0 packages prepared to build directfb packages,
too and hoped (not blindly) that the colour issues will disappear.


your help is of course _very_ welcome, but to me it looks like you're
doing
the wrong thing at the wrong time: rebuilding the libs from scratch was
very useful
a while back (before and soon after Extremadura), when Mike needed the
support for putting
the dfb backend into cvs and at the time Attilio and myself spent alot
of time and effort
on doing this (see wikis).
now what is needed is testing the packages produced by the official
maintainers and not
duplicating their work or delaying other people' work.


Have they done this? Judging from what I know and seen in unstable,
directfb gtk packages are still unsupported. Do such experimental
packages exist?

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Re: cross-installer

2006-06-20 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 11:45:00AM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Holger Levsen wrote:
  which solution do you think is better? the cross-installer (isnt there 
  one for amd64 already?) or the native installer?
 
 There is currently no cross-installer for amd64 as far as I know.
 
 There is not even a 64-bit kernel flavor in the i386 repository.
 There was one some time ago but it has been discontinued.
 
 I do not think that there is a 'better' solution. Both solutions
 have their place. The amd64 native 64-bit installer should not be 
 dropped just because the i386 32-bit installer can be used to 
 cross-install amd64. The same is true for the ppc64 case in my opinion.
 
 Anyway, at the moment the native 64-bit installer is the only one
 that works for the ppc64 installation. But it would certainly be
 helpful to get the cross-installation option also implemented.

Another question regarding cross-installation:

Would the cross-installer allow installation across architectures?

Examples Given:
* On a recent Macintosh (powerpc) doing the install
  and take the SCSI-disk to an old Mac (m68k)
* On an AMD64 computer doing the install
  and serve the network-disk to a ARM system.


Cheers
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request for samogitian

2006-06-20 Thread Zordsdavini iz Litvy

Hello,
I'd like to translate boot of instalation to Samogitian language.

Arns Udovīčė


Preseeding dictionaries selection

2006-06-20 Thread Iacopo Spalletti
I'm playing with preseeding d-i and i'm wondering how to preseed dictionaries 
selection.
I tried with 
dictionaries-common  dictionaries-common/default-ispell  select italiano 
(Italian)
dictionaries-common  dictionaries-common/default-wordlistselect italiano 
(Italian)
but i've got no success.

Any suggestion?

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Re: request for samogitian language

2006-06-20 Thread Geert Stappers
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 02:52:59PM +0300, Zordsdavini iz Litvy wrote:
 Hello,
 I'd like to translate boot of instalation to Samogitian language.

As far as I known is it documented
at http://people.debian.org/~bubulle/d-i/i18n-doc/

Feel free to ask here, this mailinglist, further questions.


Cheers
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Re: Preseeding dictionaries selection

2006-06-20 Thread John Smith
Iacopo Spalletti wrote:
 I'm playing with preseeding d-i and i'm wondering how to preseed dictionaries 
 selection.
 I tried with 
 dictionaries-common  dictionaries-common/default-ispell  select italiano 
 (Italian)
 dictionaries-common  dictionaries-common/default-wordlistselect italiano 
 (Italian)
 but i've got no success.
 
 Any suggestion?
 

Hi Iacopo,

do a manual install, do then install debconf-utils with
'apt-get install debconf-utils' and then run 'debconf-get-selections  \
result.txt ; debconf-get-selections --installler  result.txt'. Check
out the values in result.txt and use thos in your preseed file.

Sincerely,

Jan.


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Re: request for samogitian language

2006-06-20 Thread Zordsdavini iz Litvy

What to do if for now there is no SO-639 code of the Samogitian
language. We use bat-smg in wikipedia. May be here we have use the
same.

Arns Udovīčė

2006/6/20, Geert Stappers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 02:52:59PM +0300, Zordsdavini iz Litvy wrote:
 Hello,
 I'd like to translate boot of instalation to Samogitian language.

As far as I known is it documented
at http://people.debian.org/~bubulle/d-i/i18n-doc/

Feel free to ask here, this mailinglist, further questions.


Cheers
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Re: cross-installer

2006-06-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geert Stappers) writes:

 On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 11:45:00AM +0200, Andreas Jochens wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Holger Levsen wrote:
  which solution do you think is better? the cross-installer (isnt there 
  one for amd64 already?) or the native installer?
 
 There is currently no cross-installer for amd64 as far as I know.
 
 There is not even a 64-bit kernel flavor in the i386 repository.
 There was one some time ago but it has been discontinued.
 
 I do not think that there is a 'better' solution. Both solutions
 have their place. The amd64 native 64-bit installer should not be 
 dropped just because the i386 32-bit installer can be used to 
 cross-install amd64. The same is true for the ppc64 case in my opinion.
 
 Anyway, at the moment the native 64-bit installer is the only one
 that works for the ppc64 installation. But it would certainly be
 helpful to get the cross-installation option also implemented.

 Another question regarding cross-installation:

 Would the cross-installer allow installation across architectures?

 Examples Given:
 * On a recent Macintosh (powerpc) doing the install
   and take the SCSI-disk to an old Mac (m68k)
 * On an AMD64 computer doing the install
   and serve the network-disk to a ARM system.

You can always run (c)debootstrap -aarch untill it fails when it
chroots into the target. Then go to the actual target system and boot
with init=/bin/sh and then

- dpkg --force-depends -i /var/cache/apt/archives/{libc6,dpkg}*.deb
- maybe force some more packages to get dpkg/libc6 depends satisfied
- dpkg -iGROEB /var/cache/apt/archives/
- repeat till there are no more errors
- fix fstab, create user, setup sources.list, ...
- reboot

MfG
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RE: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Viti Davide

  why?
  The Gnome team will support the D-I team in producing the 
  gtk+-directfb packages.
 
 I wanted to do so... and if I do it right, their work will be less.

I'm not sure they need help on packaging; I might be wrong but
I don't think the gtk is not ready because of technical problems.

  The library builds fine already (see [2] and [3]).
 
 The impression that the above messages left me is that the 
 library used for the image was simply built from sources and 
 added in the image via a tarball, not via a package. Am I not 
 correct about this?
 

You are right, but why do you need a debian package to test the patch?
And again: have you tried to build a mini.iso based on the new set of
Libraries? Wouldn't it make sense to get confident with it before
concentrating
On making an udeb you would not know how to use and test?

 Note: I feel much anger in your writing...

Yes, your message did piss me off very much indeed.
You would delay things by saying i think nothing should be done until
this issue is clarified because you have not clear how the libraries
work.
Note that it's perfectly ok having doubts, but before telling that in
name of
The d-I team to the package maintainer, you could discuss it on irc/ml
and make
Sure there are some problems. IMO it just confuses things.


 I don't consider it my responasbility to fix those images, as 
 I have said some time ago, 
 I just have time for testing. 

Huh? 
What do you expect then? 
You write on d-boot hey, g-I is fucked on ppc as you did with Cyrillic
fonts,
And then you expect within a couple of hours to find a hundred messages
on your
Mailbox asking for details or providing a fix?
Why don't you just try to provide proper reports so that the problems
can be fixed?
You lately reported that the crash on ppc happens because of the
touchpad fix, but you
Did not even try to revert the patch and see if that is the real
problem...
If that's your idea of testing things I'd say is not very effective and
as a consequence it
Takes a long time before problems get fixed.

 In spite of that I wanted to see gtk+2.0 packages prepared to 
 build directfb packages, too and hoped (not blindly) that the 
 colour issues will disappear.

The colour problem disappears: it's one of the first things we did
In Extremadura. Sven built the libraries and a test image and, apart
For a problem with some buttons (not used inside g-i), everything looks
Beautiful. I don't think you need a deb to see thet.

  now what is needed is testing the packages produced by the official
  maintainers and not
  duplicating their work or delaying other people' work.
 
 Have they done this? Judging from what I know and seen in 
 unstable, directfb gtk packages are still unsupported. Do 
 such experimental packages exist?

No, it does not exist yet; cairo is a requirement. Unofficial cairo
Could be used, true, but we'll need it officially anyway.
I think the gnome team have all the skills needed to package
gtk+-directfb,
So IMO it's not a technical problem and of course you can try to do it
Yourself, but I don't know how useful that would be.

Regards,
D.



Re: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Eddy Petrişor

On 6/20/06, Viti Davide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  why?
  The Gnome team will support the D-I team in producing the
  gtk+-directfb packages.

 I wanted to do so... and if I do it right, their work will be less.

I'm not sure they need help on packaging; I might be wrong but
I don't think the gtk is not ready because of technical problems.


my feeling on the #gnome-debian channel ws that they were busy with
other stuff ATM and nobody had time for this.


  The library builds fine already (see [2] and [3]).

 The impression that the above messages left me is that the
 library used for the image was simply built from sources and
 added in the image via a tarball, not via a package. Am I not
 correct about this?


You are right, but why do you need a debian package to test the patch?
And again: have you tried to build a mini.iso based on the new set of
Libraries? Wouldn't it make sense to get confident with it before
concentrating
On making an udeb you would not know how to use and test?


Err, i thought your i386 tests made that. If I am doing the patching
against the source package, then you could test it on i386, too. Is
not like they are hacked udebs like Attilio was doing, so you can't
use it.


 Note: I feel much anger in your writing...

Yes, your message did piss me off very much indeed.
You would delay things by saying i think nothing should be done until
this issue is clarified because you have not clear how the libraries
work.
Note that it's perfectly ok having doubts, but before telling that in
name of
The d-I team to the package maintainer, you could discuss it on irc/ml
and make
Sure there are some problems. IMO it just confuses things.



I got no clear response on that matter from gtk/gnome people on the
debian channel, and also I have faced some issues that made me believe
that having two cairo.so files in two different places could be
problematic; indeed I might have been wrong by not carifying that I
was talking about _my_ effort.


 I don't consider it my responasbility to fix those images, as
 I have said some time ago,
 I just have time for testing.

Huh?
What do you expect then?


I said clearly I don't have time for hacking[1], just testing. I am
not the ppc porter, nor a helper porter and I don't have the knowledge
to claim any of those positions. Also, somebody else is the powerpc
porter, AFAIK.


You write on d-boot hey, g-I is fucked on ppc as you did with Cyrillic
fonts,
And then you expect within a couple of hours to find a hundred messages
on your
Mailbox asking for details or providing a fix?


Err, the problem was observed on the 18th of May, and I was expecting,
since then somebody to try to investigate and fix this since I clearly
said I couldn't do it. I have said something about this on the list on
the 30th of May.

I know the wiki.d.o/D-I/GUI is not BTS, but I have been told that it
would not be proper to add this issue to D-I/Today and since the
builds were not integrated, IIRC in trunk for PPC, I thought BTS was
not the proper place to report them. The dailies were not official,
thus BTS seemd wrong to me.


You lately reported that the crash on ppc happens because of the
touchpad fix, but you
Did not even try to revert the patch and see if that is the real
problem...


Are you sure[2]?
snipped from wiki.d.o:
[2006-06-14] ppc: the debconf interface crashes (the fix for [WWW]
#372773 is working here)


If that's your idea of testing things I'd say is not very effective and
as a consequence it
Takes a long time before problems get fixed.


What part of [1] didn't you understand?


 In spite of that I wanted to see gtk+2.0 packages prepared to
 build directfb packages, too and hoped (not blindly) that the
 colour issues will disappear.

The colour problem disappears: it's one of the first things we did
In Extremadura. Sven built the libraries and a test image and, apart
For a problem with some buttons (not used inside g-i), everything looks
Beautiful. I don't think you need a deb to see thet.


But the packages are needed nonetheless.


  now what is needed is testing the packages produced by the official
  maintainers and not
  duplicating their work or delaying other people' work.

 Have they done this? Judging from what I know and seen in
 unstable, directfb gtk packages are still unsupported. Do
 such experimental packages exist?

No, it does not exist yet; cairo is a requirement. Unofficial cairo
Could be used, true, but we'll need it officially anyway.


That's what I am working on.


I think the gnome team have all the skills needed to package
gtk+-directfb,


No doubt, but the time is pressing us; if we want a G-I for etch every
day counts, even the energy spent now could have been spent a lot
better.


So IMO it's not a technical problem and of course you can try to do it
Yourself, but I don't know how useful that would be.


Dave announced the availablity of the cairo packages for quite a while
and I haven't seen any move from the gtk/gnome team. The most

Bug#361872: debconf-copydb: Trashes debconf database in /target

2006-06-20 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 03:31:14PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
 Joey applied this patch yesterday and today I've built cdebconf for the 
 new version and after that a mini.iso including that.
 When pkgsel is run, the debconf database is still being trashed...
 
 /me is confused

Ouch, that's not good.

The simplest test for this is to open debconf-copydb.c, remove the setenv()
call and see if you still get the warnings about unknown field names. That's
what used to happen, at least, so you can see if there really is a change or
if something else has happened...

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Re: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Mike Emmel

Just to throw my two cents in. It's my understanding that the official packages
upped the Directfb build to 0.9.24 which is fine for testing.

If your comfortable using newer versions to see if problems have been
fixed feel free but it was just a suggestion.

Since the directfb/gdk/cairo software is still under heavy development
understanding the state of the latest software by periodically testing
cvs builds is not a bad thing if done by someone who could quickly do
the builds and produce the images. If there are useful improvements
fixes can be backported.

I just wanted to clarify my position so its not lost in all the other issues.

Mike


On 6/20/06, Viti Davide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  why?
  The Gnome team will support the D-I team in producing the
  gtk+-directfb packages.

 I wanted to do so... and if I do it right, their work will be less.

I'm not sure they need help on packaging; I might be wrong but
I don't think the gtk is not ready because of technical problems.

  The library builds fine already (see [2] and [3]).

 The impression that the above messages left me is that the
 library used for the image was simply built from sources and
 added in the image via a tarball, not via a package. Am I not
 correct about this?


You are right, but why do you need a debian package to test the patch?
And again: have you tried to build a mini.iso based on the new set of
Libraries? Wouldn't it make sense to get confident with it before
concentrating
On making an udeb you would not know how to use and test?

 Note: I feel much anger in your writing...

Yes, your message did piss me off very much indeed.
You would delay things by saying i think nothing should be done until
this issue is clarified because you have not clear how the libraries
work.
Note that it's perfectly ok having doubts, but before telling that in
name of
The d-I team to the package maintainer, you could discuss it on irc/ml
and make
Sure there are some problems. IMO it just confuses things.


 I don't consider it my responasbility to fix those images, as
 I have said some time ago,
 I just have time for testing.

Huh?
What do you expect then?
You write on d-boot hey, g-I is fucked on ppc as you did with Cyrillic
fonts,
And then you expect within a couple of hours to find a hundred messages
on your
Mailbox asking for details or providing a fix?
Why don't you just try to provide proper reports so that the problems
can be fixed?
You lately reported that the crash on ppc happens because of the
touchpad fix, but you
Did not even try to revert the patch and see if that is the real
problem...
If that's your idea of testing things I'd say is not very effective and
as a consequence it
Takes a long time before problems get fixed.

 In spite of that I wanted to see gtk+2.0 packages prepared to
 build directfb packages, too and hoped (not blindly) that the
 colour issues will disappear.

The colour problem disappears: it's one of the first things we did
In Extremadura. Sven built the libraries and a test image and, apart
For a problem with some buttons (not used inside g-i), everything looks
Beautiful. I don't think you need a deb to see thet.

  now what is needed is testing the packages produced by the official
  maintainers and not
  duplicating their work or delaying other people' work.

 Have they done this? Judging from what I know and seen in
 unstable, directfb gtk packages are still unsupported. Do
 such experimental packages exist?

No, it does not exist yet; cairo is a requirement. Unofficial cairo
Could be used, true, but we'll need it officially anyway.
I think the gnome team have all the skills needed to package
gtk+-directfb,
So IMO it's not a technical problem and of course you can try to do it
Yourself, but I don't know how useful that would be.

Regards,
D.





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Re: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 16:50, Eddy Petrişor wrote:
 Dave announced the availablity of the cairo packages for quite a while
 and I haven't seen any move from the gtk/gnome team. The most
 important thing I learen in OSS is that you (yourself) are the best o
 scratch your own itch. That's what I think I am doing here.

There is still some discussion about those packages and I reported at 
least one important needed change a few days ago.
AFAIK we have not yet asked the Gnome people to do anything and that seems 
the smart thing to do until we _know_ the cairo packages are actually 
good.


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Re: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Eddy Petrişor

On 6/20/06, Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tuesday 20 June 2006 16:50, Eddy Petrişor wrote:
 Dave announced the availablity of the cairo packages for quite a while
 and I haven't seen any move from the gtk/gnome team. The most
 important thing I learen in OSS is that you (yourself) are the best o
 scratch your own itch. That's what I think I am doing here.

There is still some discussion about those packages and I reported at
least one important needed change a few days ago.
AFAIK we have not yet asked the Gnome people to do anything and that seems
the smart thing to do until we _know_ the cairo packages are actually
good.


Probably the best to say that is actually someone who tries to use
them or someone with enough library packaging experience.

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Bug#361872: debconf-copydb: Trashes debconf database in /target

2006-06-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 19 June 2006 20:57, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
 After some discussion on IRC, here's the updated patch.

Joey applied this patch yesterday and today I've built cdebconf for the 
new version and after that a mini.iso including that.
When pkgsel is run, the debconf database is still being trashed...

/me is confused


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Re: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Davide Viti
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 05:50:31PM +0300, Eddy Petrişor wrote:
 Err, i thought your i386 tests made that. If I am doing the patching
 against the source package, then you could test it on i386, too. Is
 not like they are hacked udebs like Attilio was doing, so you can't
 use it.

following the wiki or using the build script committed in extremadura you
should be able to build any of the g-i libs and that is what Sven, Attilio
and myself did. Packaging the libraries, requires alot more; I just got
the impression you are not confident with none of those (and I really do not
mean to offend you anyhow by saying that)

 I got no clear response on that matter from gtk/gnome people on the
 debian channel, and also I have faced some issues that made me believe
 that having two cairo.so files in two different places could be
 problematic; indeed I might have been wrong by not carifying that I
 was talking about _my_ effort.

I think it was not appropriate to involve two MLs and Dave to sort out
your doubt: cairo has been successfully used to produce working images
and that is enough to say it is working.

 
  I don't consider it my responasbility to fix those images, as
  I have said some time ago,
  I just have time for testing.
 
 Huh?
 What do you expect then?
 
 I said clearly I don't have time for hacking[1], just testing. I am
 not the ppc porter, nor a helper porter and I don't have the knowledge
 to claim any of those positions. Also, somebody else is the powerpc
 porter, AFAIK.
 
 You write on d-boot hey, g-I is fucked on ppc as you did with Cyrillic
 fonts,
 And then you expect within a couple of hours to find a hundred messages
 on your
 Mailbox asking for details or providing a fix?
 
 Err, the problem was observed on the 18th of May, and I was expecting,
 since then somebody to try to investigate and fix this since I clearly
 said I couldn't do it. I have said something about this on the list on
 the 30th of May.
 

you reported the pb in [1] and the very same day I replied asking for infos
you did not provide until the IRC discussion when you unfairly accused Colin.
I asked you again to provide the infos and within 12 hours Colin merged ppc
stuff from Frans' branch into trunk.
You said the problem was still present [2] (and I had to ask you the very same
questions again [3]), and at the end it was you using the wrong image.
That did piss me off even more and I think such failure reports are all but 
useful.

 Are you sure[2]?

right, my fault (i'm sure some posts you bamed it on that patch though)
 
 If that's your idea of testing things I'd say is not very effective and
 as a consequence it
 Takes a long time before problems get fixed.
 
 What part of [1] didn't you understand?

it's crystal clear. reporting problems the way you did, especially
when many ppl are on different arches, does not help at all IMO, but
go on that way if you think I'm wrong.


 I hope your mail does not hide other feelings than your concern for
 G-I, because I feel that I am not wanted to be doing G-I work.

that's your own way of reading my message.
I think you did wrong and I told you the reason why I think so without
hiding anything;
feel free to do whatever you want the way you want.

D.

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/05/msg00906.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/05/msg01290.html
[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg00048.html


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Re: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Davide Viti
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 05:05:39PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
 There is still some discussion about those packages and I reported at 
 least one important needed change a few days ago.

yes, we want everything done the right way, so [1] needs to be sorted out

 AFAIK we have not yet asked the Gnome people to do anything and that seems 
 the smart thing to do until we _know_ the cairo packages are actually 
 good.

actually I CCed gnome ppl in [2] but that's definitely not an official call
for help.

Ciao,
Davide

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg01036.html
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg00687.html


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Bug#361872: debconf-copydb: Trashes debconf database in /target

2006-06-20 Thread Steinar H. Gunderson
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 08:57:02PM +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
 After some discussion on IRC, here's the updated patch.

One change is needed yet; the current code in debconf-copydb simply turns off
i18n support (since the old code couldn't handle that properly, it seems, or
perhaps it's even older). Just nuke the setenv() line from debconf-copydb.c
and we should be okay.

BTW, Joey: There _are_ lots of non-UTF-8 strings out there, it seems -- it's
unfortunate, but we can't nuke the support from debconf just yet. :-/

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Bug#361872: debconf-copydb: Trashes debconf database in /target

2006-06-20 Thread Frans Pop
(Keeping Steinar in To: in the hope he'll want to try this one as well ;-)

On Tuesday 20 June 2006 16:40, you wrote:
 One change is needed yet; the current code in debconf-copydb simply
 turns off i18n support (since the old code couldn't handle that
 properly, it seems, or perhaps it's even older). Just nuke the setenv()
 line from debconf-copydb.c and we should be okay.

Works much better with that removed. You were right though that the 
database is completely reorganized...
After some sed and sort magic, I could verify the contents.

The only remaining issue is that after the debconf-copydb all Owners: 
fields from the original templates.dat in target are lost.

Only three templates were added:
Name: debian-installer/country
Name: debian-installer/keymap
Name: debian-installer/language

The config.dat looks good too, with the three templates added and a value 
for passwd/username merged.


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Re: confirm_changes

2006-06-20 Thread David Härdeman

On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:15:54PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:

On Monday 19 June 2006 22:56, David Härdeman wrote:

currently at least partman-lvm, partman-crypto and partman-md seem to
contain copies of confirm_changes() from partman-base/partman.


They are at least different in that they use some differently named 
templates at some points.


I've done a manual pen-and-paper comparison of the four implementations 
in partman-{base,md,lvm,crypto}. The results are at 
http://www.hardeman.nu/~david/files/patches/debian/confirm_changes_diff.html



Would it perhaps be an idea to move confirm_changes into
/lib/partman/definitions.sh or is there a reason for the duplication?


If that is the only difference though, it should be possible to generalize 
that and pass the template (or even only the component name) as a 
parameter.


Looking at the above mentioned comparison, there are three differences:

1) The templates used
This can be taken care of with a parameter as you mentioned

2) Additional comments in partman-base
Not relevant

3) Additional detection of previously formatted partitions
	Looking at this difference, it seems like a feature that should 
	be made available in a general version of the function.


I've attached a patch which merges the four implementations into one 
while taking the above comments into consideration. The result is a net 
reduction of a bit less than 300 lines of code.


diffstat:
partman-base/definitions.sh  |  108 +++
partman-base/partman |  107 --
partman-crypto/choose_partition/crypto/do_option |   96 
partman-lvm/choose_partition/lvm/do_option   |   94 
partman-md/choose_partition/md/do_option |   94 
5 files changed, 112 insertions(+), 387 deletions(-)

I've done a build and some testing, and it seems to work.

Any objections to committing it?

Regards,
David
Index: partman-base/definitions.sh
===
--- partman-base/definitions.sh (revision 38213)
+++ partman-base/definitions.sh (working copy)
@@ -927,6 +927,114 @@
done
 }
 
+# List the changes that are about to be committed and let the user confirm 
first
+confirm_changes () {
+   local template dev x part partitions num id size type fs path name 
filesystem partitems items formatted_previously
+   template=$1
+
+   # Compute the changes we are going to do
+   partitems=''
+   items=''
+   for dev in $DEVICES/*; do
+   [ -d $dev ] || continue
+   cd $dev
+
+   open_dialog IS_CHANGED
+   read_line x
+   close_dialog
+   if [ $x = yes ]; then
+   partitems=${partitems}   $(humandev $(cat device))
+
+   fi
+
+   partitions=
+   open_dialog PARTITIONS
+   while { read_line num id size type fs path name; [ $id ]; }; 
do
+   [ $fs != free ] || continue
+   partitions=$partitions $id,$num
+   done
+   close_dialog
+   
+   formatted_previously=no
+   for part in $partitions; do
+   id=${part%,*}
+   num=${part#*,}
+   [ -f $id/method -a -f $id/format \
+ -a -f $id/visual_filesystem ] || continue
+   # if no filesystem (e.g. swap) should either be not
+   # formatted or formatted before the method is specified
+   [ -f $id/filesystem -o ! -f $id/formatted \
+ -o $id/formatted -ot $id/method ] || continue
+   # if it is already formatted filesystem it must be 
formatted 
+   # before the method or filesystem is specified
+   [ ! -f $id/filesystem -o ! -f $id/formatted \
+ -o $id/formatted -ot $id/method \
+ -o $id/formatted -ot $id/filesystem ] ||
+   {
+   formatted_previously=yes
+   continue
+   }
+   filesystem=$(cat $id/visual_filesystem)
+   db_subst partman/text/confirm_item TYPE $filesystem
+   db_subst partman/text/confirm_item PARTITION $num
+   db_subst partman/text/confirm_item DEVICE $(humandev 
$(cat device))
+   db_metaget partman/text/confirm_item description
+   
+   items=${items}   ${RET}
+
+   done
+   done
+
+   if [ $items ]; then
+   db_metaget partman/text/confirm_item_header description
+   items=$RET
+$items
+   fi
+
+   if [ $partitems ]; then
+ 

Bug#373586: PMac install - probs w/ finish install

2006-06-20 Thread Rick Thomas
I can confirm this problem (finish install doesn't finish the  
install - just flashes the screen and returns to the main menu) when  
installing on a PowerMac G4.


I saw it when installing directly from the June 12 jigdo DVD.  I  
haven't had a chance to try the June 19th jigdo DVD just yet.


Rick

On Jun 14, 2006, at 8:06 AM, Jeffrey B. Green wrote:


Package: installation-reports

INSTALL REPORT

Debian-installer-version: 12 Jun 06 - testing (etch) jigdo cd(#1)
uname -a: Linux naro 2.6.15-1-powerpc #2 Mon Mar 6 12:39:17 CET  
2006 ppc GNU/Linux

Date: 13 Jun 06
Method: How did you install?  What did you boot off?  If network
  install, from where?  Proxied?
	Booted from the install cd into expert mode; did standard install  
with

manual partitioning of the hard drive.

Machine: Apple G4 PowerMac with AGP
Processor: 7400, altivec supported
Memory: 640MB
Root Device: IDE Hard drive (/proc/.../model WDC WD1200BB-00CAA0)
Root Size/partition table:  Feel free to paste the full partition
  table, with notes on which partitions are mounted where.
Filesystem   1M-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda7  480   207   248  46% /
tmpfs  315 1   315   1% /dev/shm
/dev/hda10   20159 16861  2274  89% /home
/dev/hda11   40610 27866 10681  73% /nfs
/dev/hda8 5040  1886  2899  40% /usr
/dev/hda940318 31202  7069  82% /usr/local
tmpfs  315 1   315   1% /dev

Output of lspci and lspci -n:

:00:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth AGP
:00:10.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage  
128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS

0001:10:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth PCI
0001:10:0d.0 PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip  
21154 (rev 05)

0001:11:02.0 SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-7850 (rev 03)
0001:11:04.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage  
128 RE/SG

0001:11:07.0 ff00: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo Mac I/O (rev 02)
0001:11:08.0 USB Controller: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo USB
0001:11:09.0 USB Controller: Apple Computer Inc. KeyLargo USB
0001:11:0a.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB12LV23  
IEEE-1394 Controller

0002:21:0b.0 Host bridge: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth Internal PCI
0002:21:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Apple Computer Inc. UniNorth GMAC  
(Sun GEM)


:00:0b.0 0600: 106b:0020
:00:10.0 0300: 1002:5046
0001:10:0b.0 0600: 106b:001f
0001:10:0d.0 0604: 1011:0026 (rev 05)
0001:11:02.0 0100: 9004:5078 (rev 03)
0001:11:04.0 0300: 1002:5245
0001:11:07.0 ff00: 106b:0022 (rev 02)
0001:11:08.0 0c03: 106b:0019
0001:11:09.0 0c03: 106b:0019
0001:11:0a.0 0c00: 104c:8019
0002:21:0b.0 0600: 106b:001e
0002:21:0f.0 0200: 106b:0021


Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot worked:[O]
Configure network HW:   [O]
Config network: [O]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:[O]
Mount partitions:   [O]
Install base system:[O]
Install boot loader:[ ]	- kept config since I have a sarge  
install on that machine too
Reboot: [E]	- The finish installation step just  
flash a window coming up

  and then return to the install menu. I had to 
finish via the
  abort installation.

Comments/Problems:
	As above, a standard install though I skipped the Debian mirror  
part since
	I install packages from loop mounted DVD images (however even when  
I did specify
	a mirror, it didn't work...found the Release file but (the  
installer) tasksel
	couldn't seem to connect with the mirror). As a sidenote when I  
later tried to
	run tasksel after booting into the new system, that failed when it  
complained about
	answering yes to some questions when --force-yes wasn't given as  
an option.


	The main problem happened at the end with the finish install  
step. As above it just

flashed a window and returned to the menu.

	(Package related issues) Although I specified shadow passwords,  
they were not set,
	probably because of the finish prob above. I did a shadowconf on  
to get it going.
	Also the timezone wasn't set...as above. I installed kdm,kde,xorg  
via dselect.
	They didn't set a useable video mode for the machine (640x480 I  
believe). I needed to
	go in and set the HSync and VRefresh explicitly in the xorg.conf  
to get a useable
	display. Also KDE would not initialize sessions. In both a new  
user and an
	established user, it would start to initialize the session but  
then eventually return
	to the login screen. To get into something I could use, I escaped  
from the login screen
	into console mode, logged in root, killed kdm, and then did a  
startx. However, I 

Bug#373594: installation-report: daily snapshot on compaq armada m700

2006-06-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:13:26 +0200 Marc Haber wrote:
 Kudos. That installer job is very well done.

Thank you, always nice to hear :-)

 Comments/Problems: 
 Germany is still not present in the list of countries offered in the 
 initial dialog. A lot more obscure countries are.

If you select English as language the installer only shows countries that 
have English as an official language, same for other languages.
 
 Before starting the partitioner, system halts for like two minutes on a 
 blank blue screen with the floppy light on

That must be during driver loading. Strange that it takes so long.
That probably coincided with:
Jun 14 12:12:59 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
Jun 14 12:13:33 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
Jun 14 12:13:35 main-menu[2115]: DEBUG: resolver (libtextwrap1): package 
doesn't exist (ignored) 
Jun 14 12:13:35 main-menu[2115]: INFO: Menu item 'partman-base' selected 
Jun 14 12:13:36 kernel: JFS: nTxBlock = 4543, nTxLock = 36350
Jun 14 12:13:36 kernel: SGI XFS with ACLs, security attributes, realtime, 
large block numbers, no debug enabled
Jun 14 12:13:36 kernel: SGI XFS Quota Management subsystem
Jun 14 12:14:11 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
Jun 14 12:14:45 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0

Not sure why this is, especially as you actually do have a floppy drive. 
On most systems this goes quite smoothly.

 Erase entire disk and use LVM does not make any changes to the 
 partitioning table

Was due to an error in new lvm2 package; already fixed.
 
 Why is /tmp not a tmpfs on a separate /home, /usr, /var, /tmp layout?

Not sure. D-I team: any reactions to that?

 popcon seems to install even if answer was no, but popularity-contest 
 is purged on the final system.

It is being installed when the question is shown as the question is part 
of the popcon package; it is purged based on the answer. That's a choice 
made by Joey when he (re)implemented popcon support.
IIRC Woody used to leave popcon installed after answering no, but both 
solutions can be argued.

 x11-common shows an upgrade warning even if we are not updating but 
 installing anew.

That irritates us too: http://bugs.debian.org/372077
 
 After installation, quite a few mailboxes, including Debian-exim,
 identd and the user created during installation, are created in
 /var/mail, but with zero size and owned by root, inhibiting mail
 delivery.

That is serious. Looks like a bug in add-user.
I get the following myself:
-- 1 root mail 0 2006-06-20 13:41 Debian-exim
-- 1 root mail 0 2006-06-20 13:55 fjp
-- 1 root mail 0 2006-06-20 13:41 identd
-- 1 root mail 0 2006-06-20 13:41 statd

Note also the lack of permissions on the files...

Thanks for your report.


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Re: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Rick Thomas


On Jun 20, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Viti Davide wrote:


Note: I feel much anger in your writing...


Yes, your message did piss me off very much indeed.



Is it just me?  It sure seems like there's a lot of this going around.

Chill out folks!  We're all in this because we think it's *fun*.  If  
it makes us angry, it's *not* fun.


Rick


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Re: confirm_changes

2006-06-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 20:14, David Härdeman wrote:
 2) Additional comments in partman-base
   Not relevant

I'd suggest to keep the comments in the new common version though.

 Any objections to committing it?

No, looks good. The only thing is upload/release timing.

Probably the best thing to do is after committing the changes, first 
upload only partman-base and only after that's been built for all 
architectures upload the other components (with updated versioned 
dependency on partman-base and a needs ... comment in the changelog).

I've checked that when there is a function in both definitions.sh and the 
script itself, the version in the script itself will be executed, so 
having both with the same name temporarily should not be a problem.

Thanks.


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Re: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Eddy Petrişor

On 6/20/06, Davide Viti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 05:50:31PM +0300, Eddy Petrişor wrote:
following the wiki or using the build script committed in extremadura you
should be able to build any of the g-i libs and that is what Sven, Attilio
and myself did. Packaging the libraries, requires alot more; I just got
the impression you are not confident with none of those (and I really do not
mean to offend you anyhow by saying that)


On the contrary, I have trust in your, Attilio's and Sven's work. I
just want to take this to the next level. I don't think it helps a lot
if I do something which has been done before, does it ;-) ?


 I got no clear response on that matter from gtk/gnome people on the
 debian channel, and also I have faced some issues that made me believe
 that having two cairo.so files in two different places could be
 problematic; indeed I might have been wrong by not carifying that I
 was talking about _my_ effort.

I think it was not appropriate to involve two MLs and Dave to sort out
your doubt: cairo has been successfully used to produce working images
and that is enough to say it is working.


Err, your are missing the point, you and everybody else used only one
library the cairo.so which is build against -directfb. I am not sure
that in the context of packaging gtk this is fesable because you have
to specify the library used for linking ( -lcairo ), and that is
provided for the single source package gtk+2.0 by two -dev packages
which both have such a library. What I am NOT sure (and that was one
of the points of my initial mail) is if this can be done for a package
depending on both.


 You write on d-boot hey, g-I is fucked on ppc as you did with Cyrillic
 fonts,
 And then you expect within a couple of hours to find a hundred messages
 on your
 Mailbox asking for details or providing a fix?

 Err, the problem was observed on the 18th of May, and I was expecting,


[cut, me saying wrongly that I have reported this the first time on the list on]

 the 30th of May.



you reported the pb in [1] and the very same day I replied asking for infos


Yes, you are right I didn't report it first time on the 30th, but
still since the 22nd until the 25th still there are not a couple of
hours. Read further.


you did not provide until the IRC discussion when you unfairly accused Colin.


Get your act together, read [1] which was sent on the 23rd. I CC-ed
Colin on that in the hope I'll rasie his attention.

you asked if I could reproduce [2] and obviousely that was
reproducible since the fix came on the 26th.

I have done that [3] on the 25th and also provided some screenshots.


I asked you again to provide the infos and within 12 hours Colin merged ppc
stuff from Frans' branch into trunk.


On the 25th @ 21:06+3  when I said that Collin didn't cared about the
issue. He himself has acknowledged that he didn't  looked at the
problem.

He moved the build to the trunk on the 26th @ 14:05+1

And he didn't provided an explicit link to the images nor did he
updated the links on the wiki. I am not acusing him, is just the
information was missing.


You said the problem was still present [2] (and I had to ask you the very same


At the second round of images when I actually tested a wrong (old)
image because of a wrongly setup cron job which couldn't overwrite a
file made by the root user. Indeed that was my mistake and I have said
that publicly. If I remember correctly I had dowloaded the wrong image
by hand because of this lack of info.


questions again [3]), and at the end it was you using the wrong image.
That did piss me off even more and I think such failure reports are all but 
useful.


Flashnews, nobody's perfect. I acknowldged that was my mistake. I hope
you don't have to near somebody digging up dirt from your past to pour
it in your head. Especially when you have acknowledged publicly you
were wrong.

Still I fail to see what does this have to do with my work on the gtk packages.


 Are you sure[2]?

right, my fault (i'm sure some posts you bamed it on that patch though)


Can you backup that afirmation? taking into account the omissions
before I suspect your memory is cheating on you.

I don't remember saying anything about any patch. The touchpad issue
was reported by someone else while I had said that the G-I didn't
started on ppc suspecting some input problems because of the messages
I could see between the crashes.


 If that's your idea of testing things I'd say is not very effective and
 as a consequence it
 Takes a long time before problems get fixed.

 What part of [1] didn't you understand?

it's crystal clear. reporting problems the way you did, especially
when many ppl are on different arches, does not help at all IMO, but


A lot of hand waving... I said PPC, what does diffrent arches has
anything to do this?


go on that way if you think I'm wrong.


I have said I will try to test the images weekly. I expected somebody
else (maybe the officail porter) to do 

Re: confirm_changes

2006-06-20 Thread Otavio Salvador
Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Probably the best thing to do is after committing the changes, first 
 upload only partman-base and only after that's been built for all 
 architectures upload the other components (with updated versioned 
 dependency on partman-base and a needs ... comment in the changelog).

If the other components can work with the previous partman-base we
don't need to enforce the version, right?

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Bug#373629: add patch for get rid of cd device

2006-06-20 Thread Steffen Joeris
Hi

I tried to get rid of the cd device to make sure that autopartkit doesn't try 
to do partitioning on this read-only device.
I am using the ped_device_destroy() function from libparted, please have a 
look and comment, I guess this is a good workaround to exclude the cd device 
from the list.

Greetings
Steffen
--- autopartkit.c.orig	2006-06-20 20:53:45.0 +0200
+++ autopartkit.c	2006-06-20 20:57:03.0 +0200
@@ -335,6 +335,12 @@
 
 dev = ped_device_get_next(NULL);
 
+/* We delete the cd device from the list */
+if (strstr(dev-path, /cd))
+{
+	ped_device_destroy(dev);
+}
+
 if (dev == NULL)
 {
 	/* No devices detected */
--- distribute.c.orig	2006-06-20 20:51:16.0 +0200
+++ distribute.c	2006-06-20 20:53:10.0 +0200
@@ -257,6 +257,13 @@
 {
 assert(dev);
 
+	/* We delete the cd device from the list */
+	if (strstr(dev-path, /cd))
+	{
+		ped_device_destroy(dev);
+		continue;
+	}
+
 	autopartkit_log(2,   checking dev: %s, sector_size=%d\n,
 			dev-path,
 			dev-sector_size /* in bytes */);


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Re: [directfb-dev] [g-i]GTK 2.8.18 with directfb support packages [was:Re: [g-i] Graphical installer and PPC systems]

2006-06-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 21:39, Eddy Petrişor wrote:
 And he didn't provided an explicit link to the images nor did he
 updated the links on the wiki. I am not acusing him, is just the
 information was missing.

I think that is reasonable. Colin has not been involved so far and so 
could not be expected to know to update such things.
That is up to the g-i team when they see his message on d-boot 
announcing that he did the integration. IIRC I at least checked and 
possibly fixed some of the references later.

About an explicit link: as they're part of the daily builds you're kind of 
expected to know where to find them...


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Re: confirm_changes

2006-06-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 21:45, Otavio Salvador wrote:
 If the other components can work with the previous partman-base we
 don't need to enforce the version, right?

The _current_ versions can. But the new versions of the other components 
cannot work with an old version of partman-base, so we do need to enforce 
the version.


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autopartkit vs. partman-auto

2006-06-20 Thread Steffen Joeris
Hi

As most of you might know the Debian-Edu people are working a bit on the 
autopartitioning. Therefore we have two ways which we can go.

First one would be to choose autopartkit and bring it back into a shape where 
we can use it for etch. This includes updating the code so that it fits with 
the new libparted API and works nice. (We don't have a maintainer for it, it 
just means trying to make it working) 

Second one would be to go for partman-auto. This way was suggested by most of 
the d-i people I guess (please feel free to correct me if i am wrong).

After the small talk on debian-boot I had a small talk to Petter Reinholdtsen 
and there I want to quote one or two points (with his agreement):

22:00  pere white: if partman-auto can be fixed to do the things we need, I 
do not have any reason to keep autopartkit. But that include LVM support, 
creating ext3 fs with resize_inode option and scaling the partition sizes 
with the disk size.

22:13  pere adding resize_inode to ext3 file systems seem to require a 
rewrite of partman-ext3, as it now uses libparted to create ext2, and then 
tune2fs -j to convert it to ext3.  there is no safe way to add the 
resize_inode option after the file system is created, so the parman module 
will need to be rewritten to use mke2fs.
22:13  pere there is an unsafe way to add the resize_inode option, using 
ext2prepare from the ext2resize package.


Can you please comment on that? Will partman-auto have the required features?
Shall we drop autopartkit from Debian and integrate/implement features into 
partman-auto or shall we have both and keep autopartkit alive and fix it as 
good as we can?

I am sorry to bother you again with that, but I guess a clear answer to this 
mail and a discussion via mail thread is in this case better than several IRC 
discussions.

Greetings and thanks in advance
Steffen


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Re: confirm_changes

2006-06-20 Thread Max Vozeler
Hi all,

On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 08:14:09PM +0200, David Härdeman wrote:
 Looking at the above mentioned comparison, there are three differences:
 
 1) The templates used
   This can be taken care of with a parameter as you mentioned

1.5) The priorities at which some templates are asked (high vs.
critical). One example is $package/confirm_nochanges - it is high
in partman-base and -md but critical in -crypto and -lvm. I'm not 
sure this difference is intentional/meaningful though?

 2) Additional comments in partman-base
   Not relevant
 
 3) Additional detection of previously formatted partitions
   Looking at this difference, it seems like a feature that should 
   be made available in a general version of the function.
 
 I've attached a patch which merges the four implementations into one 
 while taking the above comments into consideration. The result is a net 
 reduction of a bit less than 300 lines of code.

Very nice improvement, IMHO. I looked into doing this
consolidation some time back and came to the same conclusion with
regard to the differences, so you may consider this a +1 on your
findings and the patch :-)

cheers,
Max


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Package: installation-reports

Boot method: Boot from netinst CD
Image version: downloaded from the debian-installer page, daily build 
for amd64 of june 20th, 2006

Date: june 20th, 2006, 21:22 CET

Machine: regular PC compatible with MSI K8T Neo motherboard
Processor: AMD64
Memory: 512M
Partitions:
Disk /dev/hda: 20.0 GB, 20020396032 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2434 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
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1.1 Controller (rev 81)

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gtk+-directfb packages: call for help

2006-06-20 Thread Davide Viti
Hi Josselin,
Dave Beckett has worked on producing the libcairo packages (with
and without directfb backend enabled) and an experimental version
is available in [1]. We've tested it and used it for testing a 
patch which adds the directfb backend to gtk+ 2.8.17/18 (you can get
the patch from [2]).
There are still a couple of minor issues which need to be sorted out
before cairo is ready to be uploaded to the archives (see [3]) and what
we still are unsure about is if a libcairo-directfb-dev.deb package
should be produced along with the other (u)debs.

We think there's everything you need to produce gtk+-directfb packages;
it's not officially available yet, but packaging could be done anyway
and would help the d-i team to start working on migrating from old
libraries to new ones.

Your help is thoroughly appreciated,
TIA,

Davide

[1] http://download.dajobe.org/debian/experimental/
[2] http://www.webalice.it/zinosat/gtk+-directfb_2.8.17.patch.gz 
[3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg01036.html
[4] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/06/msg01036.html


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Re: autopartkit vs. partman-auto

2006-06-20 Thread Otavio Salvador
Steffen Joeris [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 22:13  pere adding resize_inode to ext3 file systems seem to require a 
 rewrite of partman-ext3, as it now uses libparted to create ext2, and then 
 tune2fs -j to convert it to ext3.  there is no safe way to add the 
 resize_inode option after the file system is created, so the parman module 
 will need to be rewritten to use mke2fs.
 22:13  pere there is an unsafe way to add the resize_inode option, using 
 ext2prepare from the ext2resize package.

Unfortunatelly that's true. We started to work on ext3 support for
parted and then we won't have this problem anymore but I'm not sure
we'll be able to make it in time for etch.

'cause of that I offer my help to fix autopartkit for new parted
library and help someone to maintain it while we can't drop it.

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Re: confirm_changes

2006-06-20 Thread David Härdeman

On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 10:18:37PM +0200, Max Vozeler wrote:

On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 08:14:09PM +0200, David Härdeman wrote:

Looking at the above mentioned comparison, there are three differences:

1) The templates used
This can be taken care of with a parameter as you mentioned


1.5) The priorities at which some templates are asked (high vs.
critical). One example is $package/confirm_nochanges - it is high
in partman-base and -md but critical in -crypto and -lvm. I'm not 
sure this difference is intentional/meaningful though?


Oh yes, good catch. I'm fairly certain that all templates should be 
asked at the same level, but I'm not sure which level is best. I'll go 
with what's currently in partman-base/partman unless someone objects.



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Bug#373594: installation-report: daily snapshot on compaq armada m700

2006-06-20 Thread Marc Haber
On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 08:19:10PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:13:26 +0200 Marc Haber wrote:
  Before starting the partitioner, system halts for like two minutes on a 
  blank blue screen with the floppy light on
 
 That must be during driver loading. Strange that it takes so long.
 That probably coincided with:
 Jun 14 12:12:59 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
 Jun 14 12:13:33 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
 Jun 14 12:13:35 main-menu[2115]: DEBUG: resolver (libtextwrap1): package 
 doesn't exist (ignored) 
 Jun 14 12:13:35 main-menu[2115]: INFO: Menu item 'partman-base' selected 
 Jun 14 12:13:36 kernel: JFS: nTxBlock = 4543, nTxLock = 36350
 Jun 14 12:13:36 kernel: SGI XFS with ACLs, security attributes, realtime, 
 large block numbers, no debug enabled
 Jun 14 12:13:36 kernel: SGI XFS Quota Management subsystem
 Jun 14 12:14:11 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
 Jun 14 12:14:45 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
 
 Not sure why this is, especially as you actually do have a floppy drive. 

No, the notebook does not have a floppy drive. It has a floppy LED
though.

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Re: confirm_changes

2006-06-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 23:34, David Härdeman wrote:
 Oh yes, good catch. I'm fairly certain that all templates should be
 asked at the same level, but I'm not sure which level is best. I'll
 go with what's currently in partman-base/partman unless someone
 objects.

confirm_nochanges should probably be critical (especially as it's default 
is false).


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Bug#373594: installation-report: daily snapshot on compaq armada m700

2006-06-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 23:32, Marc Haber wrote:
 No, the notebook does not have a floppy drive. It has a floppy LED
 though.

Huh? Then how the hell does the kernel manage to make the floppy light 
light up? I suspect that your hardware does support a floppy device to 
some extend and that that confuses the kernel, causing it to retry and 
thus the delay.

Probably the laptop supports a floppy unit in the cdrom/2nd_battery bay?

I'd say this is a kernel bug. Anyway, something we cannot solve in the 
installer so if you want to follow up on this, I suggest you do so 
separately (probably with upstream kernel people).


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Re: autopartkit vs. partman-auto

2006-06-20 Thread Frans Pop
On Tuesday 20 June 2006 22:32, Steffen Joeris wrote:
 22:00  pere white: if partman-auto can be fixed to do the things we
 need, I do not have any reason to keep autopartkit. But that include
 LVM support, creating ext3 fs with resize_inode option and scaling the
 partition sizes with the disk size.

LVM support is production ready, although of course I don't know if the 
implementation meets with your requirements.
The main limitation of partman-auto is that it only works on a single 
harddisk and thus is not really useable to set up multi-disk systems.
For the rest it is quite flexible and can be customized by adding the 
recipes you need.

As for the resize_inode option, Otavio has given you the answer as to 
libparted status. Realizing an alternative solution in partman would 
probably mean someone from debian-edu will have to do the work (or find 
someone) as we don't really have a lead partman maintainer.
If you can provide a patch that does not result in important regressions, 
that would be fine. But I seem to remember from an earlier thread that 
pere's proposed solution would mean losing the progress bar for ext3 
formatting.

Cheers,
FJP


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Bug#153296: hi family

2006-06-20 Thread Royal Stacy
It's a beautiful day today

Dear Family,

Just wanted to write you, and let you know, how the degree program I tried out 
went.
Well, six weeks later, I graduated, finished  received my Ma_sters Degr_ee
with no study required and 100 percent verifiable.

Yeah mom, I know you and Dad doubted it at first, but this turned out to be
totally legit. This opportunity was given to me because of the professional
experience and previous course work I had accumulated.

I'm so excited mom and dad, this was a life altering opportunity  for once
in my life I took advantage of it.

I already have jobs, that wouldn't have given me a chance before, now they
are calling off the hook! This really is a godsend.

Tell Susan and Cousin Joey that they better hurry up and call that # I gave
them the other day. It's 1_2_0_6-984-4433 in case you forgot.

Again these are the %DEGs they offer,B_achelors, Master_s, MBA and/or 
Doct_orate (PhD) , and
the number to call is 1_2_0_6-984-4433 , tell them to leave a brief message with
their name, the degree they are interested in and their day and evening phone
numbers. They will contact you soon after.

Anyway, much love, and tell the rest of the family I said hello!

Love,
Fuller family

Sincerely


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Bug#201252: chris said he is pissed at you

2006-06-20 Thread Pat Potter
How are you,

 
If you are like most people, you are more than qual.ified with your 
experience, but you are lacking that prest.igious piece of paper known as a 
D.IPLOMA that is often the passport to success.. 

Call us today.

1.2.0.6-984-4433

24 hours a day, 7 days a week including Sundays and Holidays

Look Foward to Hearing From You

Were those science teachers missing walking a few days ago?.
Don't those singers dislike playing carelessly?.
That photographer isn't enjoying fighting..
Did those bus drivers regret singing?.
Donna's daughter hasn't practiced playing yet..
Mr. Hanson isn't practicing working..
I was missing jumping..
Doesn't Kate's granddaughter miss shaving for a few months?.
1.
6.
Have you missed reading recently?.
I am enjoying eating in the river..
THE PARENT arrived back on the scene. She gave me a tape by Dr. Laura Meyers 
from UCLA. I listened to that tape eight times. I listened over and over and 
heard the same thing again and again. Ms. Meyers said, 'These kids may need to 
hear a word many times (perhaps 72 times) before they ever say a word. A 
computer can be patient and say it the same way every time.' Now I understood. 
I was not patient enough. I did not allow the student to hear the words over 
and over. I was interrupting their learning by interjecting, when they were 
totally engrossed in what they were doing. I was asking questions they were not 
ready to answer. They were just learning language. They didn't have the answers 
yet..
8.
I don't practice reading once a week..
Did Roy love working on the top of the mountain?.

Thank you,
Josef Boyer



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