Re: where is now reiserfs in Debian-testing netinstall?

2010-03-24 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):

 To use reiserfs with daily images you need to either:
 - boot in expert mode and select 'partman-reiserfs' as optional component
 - boot the installer with the option 'modules?=partman-reiserfs'
 
 I will send a general announcement of this change soon.


As it sounds like a decision that might appear as a general decision
of the Debian Project, I wonder if that could appear in the release
notes.

ReiserFS no longer offerred by default
-
 Because ReiserFS development is stopped upstream, this file system
 will no longer be offerred as choice for partitions created
 by the installer, during default installtions.

 To enable ReiserFS support, users should either:
 - boot in expert mode and select partman-reiserfs as optional component
 - boot the installer with the option modules?=partman-reiserfs





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Re: Bug#549681: needs MODULES=dep on some PowerPC systems

2010-03-24 Thread Simon Richter
Hi,

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:30:37AM +0100, maximilian attems wrote:

  It would be good if mkinitramfs would fail on systems that have the
  string platform: CHRP in /proc/cpuinfo if compressed kernel
  and initramfs together are larger than 12 MB, to stop unpleasant
  surprises when booting.

 partman has some checks for partitions,

Not sure where partman comes into the picture here.

 aboves specialised wish sound nice for debian installer
 although there are not many powerpc guys.

 reassigning to rootskel who does install initramfs-tools.

I think there are two changes needed: building the kernel image needs to
fail (and the old kernel left in place) if the new image would be
unbootable, and d-i needs to remain working afterwards.

It's not d-i's problem alone -- when I stumbled over this, it happened
on a system that had been running for several years (that is, upgrading
my system made it unbootable).

   Simon


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[cdebconf-entropy PATCH] Kill spurious linebreak in configure.ac

2010-03-24 Thread Julien Cristau
This resulted in an empty echo, and then trying to execute the
*** Cannot build Newt plugin *** command.

https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=cdebconf-entropyarch=hppaver=0.14stamp=1269398913file=logas=raw
---
 configure.ac |3 +--
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)

diff --git a/configure.ac b/configure.ac
index 25a659a..0b7e709 100644
--- a/configure.ac
+++ b/configure.ac
@@ -15,8 +15,7 @@ fi
 
 FRONTENDS=text
 
-AC_CHECK_LIB(newt, newtInit, FRONTENDS=$FRONTENDS newt, echo
- *** Cannot build Newt plugin ***)
+AC_CHECK_LIB(newt, newtInit, FRONTENDS=$FRONTENDS newt, echo *** Cannot 
build Newt plugin ***)
 
 PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GTK, [gtk+-x11-2.0],
  FRONTENDS=$FRONTENDS gtk,
-- 
1.7.0.3


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Re: cdebconf-entropy_0.14_amd64.changes ACCEPTED

2010-03-24 Thread Julien Cristau
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 01:32:41 +, Archive Administrator wrote:

 Accepted:
 cdebconf-entropy_0.14.dsc
   to main/c/cdebconf-entropy/cdebconf-entropy_0.14.dsc

FWIW, this ftbfs on hppa due to bug#575220

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Bug#505111: will suggest removal from testing

2010-03-24 Thread Robert Lemmen
hi folks,

unless you object soon, i will suggest the removal of these packages
from testing. the rationale is (a mixture of these will apply to the
package in question)

- old rc bug with no resolution in sight
- otherwise buggy
- low popcon
- not in stable

please note that a removal from testing is not really that bad, the
package would migrate back in in no time once the rc-bug is fixed!

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Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Benjamin Cama
Hi,

I don't know the exact cause of this bug, but there is not enough
informations (for me) to try to understand this bug. Could you give at
least a dmesg result when in the installer ? And what exact message does
it outputs when looking for the adapter ?

Regards,
benjamin




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Re: Bug#549681: needs MODULES=dep on some PowerPC systems

2010-03-24 Thread maximilian attems
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 10:19:20AM +0100, Simon Richter wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:30:37AM +0100, maximilian attems wrote:
 
   It would be good if mkinitramfs would fail on systems that have the
   string platform: CHRP in /proc/cpuinfo if compressed kernel
   and initramfs together are larger than 12 MB, to stop unpleasant
   surprises when booting.
 
  partman has some checks for partitions,
 
 Not sure where partman comes into the picture here.
 
  aboves specialised wish sound nice for debian installer
  although there are not many powerpc guys.
 
  reassigning to rootskel who does install initramfs-tools.
 
 I think there are two changes needed: building the kernel image needs to
 fail (and the old kernel left in place) if the new image would be
 unbootable, and d-i needs to remain working afterwards.
 
 It's not d-i's problem alone -- when I stumbled over this, it happened
 on a system that had been running for several years (that is, upgrading
 my system made it unbootable).

mkvimlinuz or the used tool may provide the relevant check for running
box.

anyway an arch with such limititation seems broken in my eyes and
need to have it's bootloader fixed. not the point of update-initramfs
to guard against such corner cases.


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Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 March 2010, Benjamin Cama wrote:
 I don't know the exact cause of this bug, but there is not enough
 informations (for me) to try to understand this bug. Could you give at
 least a dmesg result when in the installer ? And what exact message does
 it outputs when looking for the adapter ?

There is no real bug. The only problem is that the images that are 
currently available are outdated.

If you should build an image yourself, I expect it will work fine.

This has already been explained in an earlier reply to this BR:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572605#17



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Bug#505111: will suggest removal from testing

2010-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 March 2010, Robert Lemmen wrote:
 unless you object soon, i will suggest the removal of these packages
 from testing. the rationale is (a mixture of these will apply to the
 package in question)

This package should not be removed. The bug is partly theoretical and only 
affects a minority of use cases.



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Re: [cdebconf-entropy PATCH] Kill spurious linebreak in configure.ac

2010-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 March 2010, Julien Cristau wrote:
 -AC_CHECK_LIB(newt, newtInit, FRONTENDS=$FRONTENDS newt, echo
 - *** Cannot build Newt plugin ***)
 +AC_CHECK_LIB(newt, newtInit, FRONTENDS=$FRONTENDS newt, echo ***
 Cannot build Newt plugin ***)

Fixed. Thanks.


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Bug#505111: will suggest removal from testing

2010-03-24 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:51:41PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
 This package should not be removed. The bug is partly theoretical and only 
 affects a minority of use cases.

ok, so you think it should be squeeze-ignore? do you think it should be
ignored for any release in the future? or downgraded? having bugs which 
are marked as grave, but at the same time are ignored forever seems like 
a slightly suboptimal usage of the BTS... 

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Bug#505111: will suggest removal from testing

2010-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 March 2010, Robert Lemmen wrote:
 On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:51:41PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:
  This package should not be removed. The bug is partly theoretical and
  only affects a minority of use cases.

 ok, so you think it should be squeeze-ignore? do you think it should be
 ignored for any release in the future? or downgraded? having bugs which
 are marked as grave, but at the same time are ignored forever seems
 like a slightly suboptimal usage of the BTS...

I think it should be fixed, but that the bug is not sufficient reason for 
removal of the package.

Unfortunately the D-I team is understaffed. Leaving the bug at it's current 
(technically correct) severity will maybe help get other people to take in 
interest in it.



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Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Benjamin Cama
Hi Frans,

Le mercredi 24 mars 2010 à 14:53 +0100, Frans Pop a écrit :
 There is no real bug. The only problem is that the images that are 
 currently available are outdated.

OK. So, if it has not already been told (I didn't see much details about
that in this BR) what steps should be taken for powerpc volunteers ?
Take care of the buildd ? Who is in charge of it at the moment ? How can
one have access to it ? Thanks for any pointer on this. (I am not very
aware of all the details ; I am only a small part-time contributor to
Debian)

 If you should build an image yourself, I expect it will work fine.

OK. So the problem lies only in the buildd, right ?
I am willing to take care of it if a volunteer is needed.

Thanks for any help,
benjamin




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Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 March 2010, Benjamin Cama wrote:
 OK. So, if it has not already been told (I didn't see much details about
 that in this BR) what steps should be taken for powerpc volunteers ?

If you are not a Debian Developer I'm afraid you cannot help with this 
issue.

However, there is plenty of other work that could be done to improve 
powerpc support in Debian Installer. Feel free to check the BTS for any 
open issues and work on them and submit patches.

Cheers,
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Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Benjamin Cama
Le mercredi 24 mars 2010 à 15:56 +0100, Frans Pop a écrit :
 On Wednesday 24 March 2010, Benjamin Cama wrote:
  OK. So, if it has not already been told (I didn't see much details about
  that in this BR) what steps should be taken for powerpc volunteers ?
 
 If you are not a Debian Developer I'm afraid you cannot help with this 
 issue.

Indeed, I am not a DD. I have been thinking for a long time becoming a
DM, and I know someone who could mentor me, but becoming a DD would be
one (long !) more step.

 However, there is plenty of other work that could be done to improve 
 powerpc support in Debian Installer. Feel free to check the BTS for any 
 open issues and work on them and submit patches.

Well, I try to help when I can, following the debian-powerpc ML. I must
admit I don't look much to d-i bugs, as I don't use it very often, even
if it's a key part for newcomers ...

And the reactivity of people concerning PPC bugs don't help too (for
example I'm trying to push #568204 without much success ...)

Thanks anyway,
benjamin




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Bug#373253: #373253 libgcc_s.so.1 on AMD64 and PowerPC should be provided

2010-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
tags 373253 wontfix
thanks

Because of the switch from DirectFB to X.Org as backend for the graphical 
installer I don't think this issue is relevant anymore.

But I'm keeping the BR open for now for reference.



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Processed: #373253 libgcc_s.so.1 on AMD64 and PowerPC should be provided

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Please unblock kbd/1.15.1-3

2010-03-24 Thread Michael Schutte
Hi -release and -boot,

Please consider letting kbd 1.15.1-3 (which builds kbd-udeb) migrate to
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Re: Bug#549681: needs MODULES=dep on some PowerPC systems

2010-03-24 Thread maximilian attems
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 06:22:17PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote:
 Hi,
 
 On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:23:39PM +0100, maximilian attems wrote:
 
  mkvimlinuz or the used tool may provide the relevant check for running
  box.
 
 Okay, so the bug should probably be cloned there.

please do so and you may want to provide a patch.

afaik nobody is working on it.



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Re: Bug#549681: needs MODULES=dep on some PowerPC systems

2010-03-24 Thread Simon Richter
Hi,

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:23:39PM +0100, maximilian attems wrote:

 mkvimlinuz or the used tool may provide the relevant check for running
 box.

Okay, so the bug should probably be cloned there.

 anyway an arch with such limititation seems broken in my eyes and
 need to have it's bootloader fixed. not the point of update-initramfs
 to guard against such corner cases.

There is no bootloader to be fixed. The firmware directly supports
loading ELF files from various media and file systems, the precise list
being dependent on the actual implementation.

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Processed: Unarchive and reopen bug closed by mistake

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Bug #318875 {Done: Petter Reinholdtsen p...@hungry.com} [udpkg] udpkg: Should 
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Unarchived Bug 318875
 notfixed 318875 1.02
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Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 24, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Benjamin Cama wrote:

OK. So, if it has not already been told (I didn't see much details  
about

that in this BR) what steps should be taken for powerpc volunteers ?
Take care of the buildd ? Who is in charge of it at the moment ?


So how do we get this fixed?  If it really is a problem on the buildd,  
who *can* fix it?  Is there a list somewhere of who is responsible for  
which buildd?


If it doesn't get fixed, there's not much point in claiming that  
Debian supports PowerPC architecture...


Thanks!

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Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 March 2010, Rick Thomas wrote:
 So how do we get this fixed?  If it really is a problem on the buildd,
 who *can* fix it?  Is there a list somewhere of who is responsible for
 which buildd?

I've already provided that info a few times. For the centralized D-I 
buildds (which includes powerpc) Luk Claes and Otavio Salvador are the 
persons who set up the buildds and who are AFAIK the only people who 
currently have the access required to maintain the buildds.
I have seen no mails from them on the d-boot list requesting help with 
that, so I can only assume they're still willing to maintain them 
(although the evidence seems to indicate otherwise).

 If it doesn't get fixed, there's not much point in claiming that
 Debian supports PowerPC architecture...

Bullshit. I agree that it's a huge nuisance for testing and that the daily 
builds really should be available, but the alpha1 release works just fine 
(except for the known issues) and a next release will also not have this 
issue.

For testing the current development status of the installer you could 
always build your own images. It's not that hard.

Your point about not supporting powerpc is a gross exaggeration and to be 
honest I'm getting pretty tired of your repeating that any time 
*volunteers* don't jump quickly enough to your liking.

So far I've also not seen that much actual help with arch-specific D-I 
development from the Debian powerpc community, despite repeated calls for 
help from our side.

Cheers,
FJP



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Bug#575309: user-setup: Should stop adding first user to device access groups

2010-03-24 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen

Package: user-setup
Version: 1.28
Tags:patch

In squeeze, the desktop uses consolekit and friends to grant access to
devices for the user in front on the screen.  This scale a lot better
when there is a lot of users in LDAP or NIS that need to get access to
the local devices on their own machine, but not the local devices on
other peoples machine.

The code in user-setup-apply to add the first user to all the groups
in passwd/user-default-groups should no longer be needed.  I believe
it should be dropped for Squeeze, or at least the default groups used
should be trimmed down to nothing.

Here is a patch to remove the code.

Index: user-setup-apply
===
--- user-setup-apply(revision 58013)
+++ user-setup-apply(working copy)
@@ -125,13 +125,6 @@
$log $chroot $ROOT chown $USER:$USER /home/$USER /dev/null 
|| true
fi

-   if [ -n $USER ]; then
-   db_get passwd/user-default-groups
-   for group in $RET; do
-   $log $chroot $ROOT adduser $USER $group /dev/null 
21 || true
-   done
-   fi
-
db_get passwd/root-login
if [ $RET = false ]  [ -n $USER ]; then
# Ensure sudo is installed, and set up the user to be able
Index: debian/user-setup-udeb.templates
===
--- debian/user-setup-udeb.templates(revision 58013)
+++ debian/user-setup-udeb.templates(working copy)
@@ -16,12 +16,6 @@
 Type: string
 Description: for internal use only

-# Allow preseeding the groups to which the first created user is added
-Template: passwd/user-default-groups
-Type: string
-Default: audio cdrom dialout floppy video plugdev netdev powerdev scanner
-Description: for internal use only
-
 Template: passwd/root-login
 Type: boolean
 Default: true

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Bug#575309: user-setup: Should stop adding first user to device access groups

2010-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 March 2010, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
 The code in user-setup-apply to add the first user to all the groups
 in passwd/user-default-groups should no longer be needed.  I believe
 it should be dropped for Squeeze, or at least the default groups used
 should be trimmed down to nothing.

What about (server) systems that don't have consolekit installed?

What harm do the current group assignments do? After all, we're only 
talking about the first user here!



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Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Norberto Feliberty



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Subject: Re: Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on 
PowerPC can not find driver for network interface



On Wednesday 24 March 2010, Rick Thomas wrote:

So how do we get this fixed?  If it really is a problem on the buildd,
who *can* fix it?  Is there a list somewhere of who is responsible for
which buildd?


I've already provided that info a few times. For the centralized D-I
buildds (which includes powerpc) Luk Claes and Otavio Salvador are the
persons who set up the buildds and who are AFAIK the only people who
currently have the access required to maintain the buildds.
I have seen no mails from them on the d-boot list requesting help with
that, so I can only assume they're still willing to maintain them
(although the evidence seems to indicate otherwise).


If it doesn't get fixed, there's not much point in claiming that
Debian supports PowerPC architecture...


Bullshit. I agree that it's a huge nuisance for testing and that the daily
builds really should be available, but the alpha1 release works just fine
(except for the known issues) and a next release will also not have this
issue.

For testing the current development status of the installer you could
always build your own images. It's not that hard.

Your point about not supporting powerpc is a gross exaggeration and to 
be

honest I'm getting pretty tired of your repeating that any time
*volunteers* don't jump quickly enough to your liking.

So far I've also not seen that much actual help with arch-specific D-I
development from the Debian powerpc community, despite repeated calls for
help from our side.

Cheers,
FJP


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AFAIK, the d-I powerpc images currently don't work. However, there are 
images for powerpc alpha which do work. The images that do not work are from 
before alpha1 was released. I had a similar problem with the pre alpha 
builds but my problem was the the network card couldn't be configured. I was 
not sure whether it couldn't find the drivers for the network card or not 
only knew that it would not configure the network card and that is where 
installation would come to a halt. This was fixed with the alpha1 builds. 
Unfortunately, I cannot help you with sid daily builds because the 
installation is unable to mount the cdrom driver once the installation 
starts. However maybe that has changed and will test a sid build and see if 
it can find the network drivers to install. 





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Bug#575309: user-setup: Should stop adding first user to device access groups

2010-03-24 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Frans Pop]
 What about (server) systems that don't have consolekit installed?

Yes, what about them?

If the local user to have special privileges, one should install the
packages providing such privileges to the local user.

 What harm do the current group assignments do? After all, we're only
 talking about the first user here!

It grant local device access to a user that should not have it.  The
first user should not have local device access, unless that user is
logged in locally on the machine console.

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Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
(Dropping some CCs.)

On Wednesday 24 March 2010, Norberto Feliberty wrote:
 However maybe that has changed and will test a sid build and see if
 it can find the network drivers to install.

That will only work if you build your own images. If you can do that, 
great!

The fact that the official daily built images (which use the current 
udebs from Sid) are outdated and therefore not usable is exactly the point 
of this discussion.
The daily built images are normally linked from [1], but I have removed the 
links for the problematic architectures a few weeks ago for this very 
reason.

Cheers,
FJP

[1] http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/



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Re: Bug#572605: installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl (05/03/2010):
 The problem here is very, very simple:
 http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/build-logs.html
 
 As long as nobody takes care of the daily builds, there's no point
 in testing them.
 
 hppa, ia64, mips, mipsel and powerpc have IMO all proven to be much
 *less* reliable since they were moved to official buildds. I thought
 the whole point of that move was the opposite.
 
 It would be really nice if the persons who initiated that change
 would take their responsibility.
 
 For now I've removed links to the daily builds for the problematic
 arches from the D-I project page.

I have *zero* idea of the involved amount of work, but I might be
interested in helping. I believe getting as much testing as possible
is the way to get bugs reported, and fixed. Let's do that.

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Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 24, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Frans Pop wrote:


For the centralized D-I
buildds (which includes powerpc) Luk Claes and Otavio Salvador are the
persons who set up the buildds and who are AFAIK the only people who
currently have the access required to maintain the buildds.



I've emailed Luk and Otavio off-list to see if there's anything I can  
do to help.


Rick



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Bug#575309: user-setup: Should stop adding first user to device access groups

2010-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 24 March 2010, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
  What about (server) systems that don't have consolekit installed?

 Yes, what about them?

On such systems the first user would be left without expected default 
access to devices.

 If the local user to have special privileges, one should install the
 packages providing such privileges to the local user.

There's more way than one to Rome. Group membership is a traditional and 
still valid way to provide rights. Having packages like consolekit 
installed is not a requirement.

  What harm do the current group assignments do? After all, we're only
  talking about the first user here!

 It grant local device access to a user that should not have it.  The
 first user should not have local device access, unless that user is
 logged in locally on the machine console.

Why should that user not have it? For the purpose of D-I installations the 
first user is defined as being the admin and/or console user of the 
system.
If you install systems where the first user does not hold that role, you 
should disable creation of the first user account during installation, or 
tune the default groups he's made a member of.

I disagree with this proposed change. IMO the default group assignments are 
in line with the purpose of the first user account.

Cheers,
FJP



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Re: Towards X11-based d-i: Gone through NEW

2010-03-24 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 17 March 2010, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
 Proposed plan:
 ==
 (1)
 In order to get everyone ready, I'd suggest (kindly) asking pkg-gnome
 folks to upload their 2.28 packages to unstable; [...]

 (2)
 Once that done, I'll rebuild the following d-i packages against them:
 [...]

 (3)
 If the resulting image boots fine, I'll be reporting here, and asking
 for those patches to be merged. [...]

 (4)
 If everything goes alright at this point, I think we should be able to
 migrate the whole set of packages to testing, so that further updates
 only require to migrate a few packages at a time.

! (5)
! Make the necessary changes to the D-I build system and re-enable the
! build targets for the graphical installer.

Done. G-I images should start appearing in the next daily builds.

Note that it is unnecessary to migrate cdebconf* or rootskel-gtk to testing 
for this: all daily builds use udebs from sid.

Cheers,
FJP


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Re: Towards X11-based d-i: Gone through NEW

2010-03-24 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Frans Pop elen...@planet.nl (25/03/2010):
 ! (5)
 ! Make the necessary changes to the D-I build system and re-enable
 ! the build targets for the graphical installer.
 
 Done. G-I images should start appearing in the next daily builds.

Yep, I saw your commits through #-boot, thanks.

 Note that it is unnecessary to migrate cdebconf* or rootskel-gtk to
 testing for this: all daily builds use udebs from sid.

I gathered that from some other mails. JFTR, speaking of transition to
testing, the following migrated in the last britney run:
| cairo,gtk+2.0,gtk2-engines,pango1.0,vte

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