Please update d-i manual translations for Wheezy

2012-07-20 Thread Holger Wansing
Hello all,

[You received this mail, because you did uploads of translations for
the d-i manual between 2008 and now.
Names and mail addresses were taken from your Alioth profile.]

in preparation of the Wheezy release it would be fine, if you could
take some time and update the d-i manual translation for your language.

This is probably the last chance to get an up-to-date translation on
the CDs for Wheezy.
Sorry, if this is a bit late for you ...


In behalf of the debian-installer team

Holger

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Re: Please update d-i manual translations for Wheezy

2012-07-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 20 iul 12, 09:31:19, Holger Wansing wrote:
 Hello all,
 
 [You received this mail, because you did uploads of translations for
 the d-i manual between 2008 and now.
 Names and mail addresses were taken from your Alioth profile.]

Hi,

Eddy Petrișor for Romanian hasn't been active for quite some time.

Do you have some stats for Romanian handy? If it's just a few strings I 
could do it, otherwise I'd rather conserve my energy to keep d-i in 
shape and update the Release Notes (when the time will come).
 
Kind regards,
Andrei
P.S. you might want to CC the relevant -l10n-language as well for such 
inquiries, translators are not required to follow -i18n and coordinators 
may be MIA.
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Re: Ask for d-i manual translations updates

2012-07-20 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi,

Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org wrote:
 Quoting Holger Wansing (li...@wansing-online.de):
 
  I have prepared a list of the uploaders for their languages, based on 
  the svn logs back to 2008. Languages that didn't receive any update since
  2008, have no uploaders in that list.
  I need to add real names and mail addresses there...
  Would it be ok / would it make sense to add such list to the svn repo?
  (I would volunteer to keep that list up-to-date.)
 
 
 Actually, there is room for this in installer/doc/i18n/languages.xml:
 
 language_entry
 code=de
 code3=deu
 english_name=German
 bkp_coord_name=Dennis Stampfer
 bkp_coord_email=se...@debian.org
 bkp_coord_account=seppy
 bkp_coord_gpg=0xEFAA3331
 coord_name=Jens Seidel
 coord_email=jenssei...@users.sf.net
 coord_account=jseidel-guest
 manual_coord_name=Holger Wansing
 manual_coord_email=h.wans...@onlinehome.de
 manual_coord_account=holger-guest
 team_email=debian-l10n-ger...@lists.debian.org
 team_repository=
 supported=woody
 speakers=95392978
 speakers_corr=10100
   countries_official=DEATBEDKITLILU
   countries_most_spoken=DEATCHLI

Puuh, I wasn't aware of the debian-installer git repo and of 
this file.
At least for german, it is out of date, Dennis Stampfer and Jens 
Seidel are no longer active (since several years already).

And:
Adding the translator info from the d-i manual in that file would
mix up everything completely: 
often there are different translators for the d-i and the d-i manual.
So, these have to be separated, to be useful.
Since the d-i manual has its own svn repository, I would vote
for adding a separate list there.


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Re: Please update d-i manual translations for Wheezy

2012-07-20 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi,

Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Eddy Petrișor for Romanian hasn't been active for quite some time.

Ok, thanks for the info. I will remove him from my list of d-i translators.

 Do you have some stats for Romanian handy? If it's just a few strings I 
 could do it, otherwise I'd rather conserve my energy to keep d-i in 
 shape and update the Release Notes (when the time will come).

bookinfo.po 7t
preface.po  4t
using-d-i.po168t53f233u
welcome.po  60t8f4u

We had translation statistics on
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/
but since our good old Frans past, this site is no longer maintained and 
statistics are out-of-date.

 Kind regards,
 Andrei
 P.S. you might want to CC the relevant -l10n-language as well for such 
 inquiries, translators are not required to follow -i18n and coordinators 
 may be MIA.

If they follow their l10n-language list, I would assume that they also
follow their private mail addresses, right?
Of course, it could be good for finding new translators for the d-i manual.
Therefore, I will resent that mail to the respective l10n lists. 


Thanks

Holger

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Re: Please update d-i manual translations for Wheezy

2012-07-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 20 iul 12, 10:22:47, Holger Wansing wrote:
 
  Do you have some stats for Romanian handy? If it's just a few strings I 
  could do it, otherwise I'd rather conserve my energy to keep d-i in 
  shape and update the Release Notes (when the time will come).
 
 bookinfo.po   7t
 preface.po4t
 using-d-i.po  168t53f233u
 welcome.po60t8f4u

That's a bit too much for me at the moment.
 
 If they follow their l10n-language list, I would assume that they also
 follow their private mail addresses, right?
 Of course, it could be good for finding new translators for the d-i manual.
 Therefore, I will resent that mail to the respective l10n lists. 

That's what I meant (finding potential new translators).

Kind regards,
Andrei
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please unblock kmod

2012-07-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
It was uploaded before the freeze cutoff, but it needs an ack by the d-i 
team.

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Bug#682211: wheezy installation report: some rough edges

2012-07-20 Thread Yann Dirson

Subject: installation-reports: d630
Package: installation-reports
Severity: normal

(sorry for lack of logs, sending from different machine)

-- Package-specific info:

Boot method: 
Image version: 
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-a1-i386-netinst.iso
 12-May-2012 02:45
Date: Date and time of the install

Machine: Dell Latitude D630
Partitions: df -Tl will do; the raw partition table is preferred


Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:   [O]
Detect network card:[O]
Configure network:  [E]
Detect CD:  [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Clock/timezone setup:   [ ]
User/password setup:[O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives:  [E]
Install base system:[O]
Install tasks:  [E]
Install boot loader:[O]
Overall install:[O]

Comments/Problems:

* If I leave the domain field empty in the hostname selection screen,
  resolv.conf expectedly only gets a nameserver line, and the resolver
  does not resolve my (non-fully-qualified) proxy name.  Although it is
  normal, I have to switch to tty4, where the log just tell that the mirror
  does not carry wheezy (sic).

* I do not remember any prompt telling me to check time, but TZ is correctly set

* when partitionning (assisted lvm), double clicking on a partition
  to see details, then back to main screen, the partition is still
  selected and clicking on continue unexpectedly just enters the same
  partition-editing dialogs again

* only a single task to be selected in the installer (standard system 
utilities),
  probably why no desktop env has been installed (selected XFCE)

* selecting task-french, task-french-desktop, task-xfce triggers conflict 
between
  - myspell-fr and myspell-fr-gut
  - hunspell-en-us and myspell-en-us

* I would have expected http_proxy to be propagated to /etc/environment, not 
just to apt.conf
  (although for a laptop it is probably better not to do that)

Those seem to be problems of the package versions on install CD, but fixed in 
current wheezy:

* no extended package descriptions are downloaded by apt on first update after 
install,
  only on second update

* aptitude with french l10n does not translate yes/no to oui/non in 
confirmation dialogs,
  but does it only accepts o instead of y (not any more after upgrade ?)


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Bug#655198: live-installer does not remove live packages in the installed system

2012-07-20 Thread Rui Bernardo
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 07:35:56PM +0100, Rui Bernardo wrote:
 Today I've built debian sid live images with live-installer 36. It's 
 working, thanks.
 
 This bug can be closed for wheezy, but what about squeeze?

When I was going to try to fix this bug in squeeze, and after reading 
live-installer changelog, building version 31 udeb file and including it 
in a squeeze live image, it turned out to be obvious that version 31 was 
supposed to be uploaded to squeeze. I suppose that time passed, d-i 
development continued and live-installer 31 never made to squeeze.

live-installer 31 removed the live packages correctly in the end of the 
installation. Version 30, the one in squeeze, does not.

Dear maintainers, could you please upload live-installer version 31 to 
squeeze so it is included in squeeze 6.0.6 and close this bug? tyvm.


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Bug#401175: Could offer to set a label on swap partitions

2012-07-20 Thread Roy Hills

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The installer still doesn't support swap labels as of Debian Wheezy.

As persistent device naming using label or UUID is now preferred over
the traditional
bus names for disks, this would be a useful addition to partman.

I've tried using this partman expert recipe fragment in a preseed file:

  300 400 500 linux-swap\
  method{ swap }\
  label{ swap } \
  format{ } \

But it seems that the label directive is ignored for swap, because
this doesn't label the swap partition.


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Re: Please update d-i manual translations for Wheezy

2012-07-20 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Andrei POPESCU (andreimpope...@gmail.com):
 On Vi, 20 iul 12, 09:31:19, Holger Wansing wrote:
  Hello all,
  
  [You received this mail, because you did uploads of translations for
  the d-i manual between 2008 and now.
  Names and mail addresses were taken from your Alioth profile.]
 
 Hi,
 
 Eddy Petrișor for Romanian hasn't been active for quite some time.
 
 Do you have some stats for Romanian handy? If it's just a few strings I 
 could do it, otherwise I'd rather conserve my energy to keep d-i in 
 shape and update the Release Notes (when the time will come).

Well, here it is:

bookinfo :Charset is UTF-8. Stats: bookinfo.po: 7 translated messages.
preface :Charset is UTF-8. Stats: preface.po: 4 translated messages.
using-d-i :Charset is UTF-8. Stats: using-d-i.po: 168 translated messages, 53 
fuzzy translations, 233 untranslated messages.
welcome :Charset is UTF-8. Stats: welcome.po: 60 translated messages, 8 fuzzy 
translations, 4 untranslated messages.




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EFI BoF at DebConf

2012-07-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ Please note the cross-post and Reply-To ]

Hi folks,

Here's a summary of what we discussed in the EFI BoF [1] last week
(9th July). Thanks to the awesome efforts of the DebConf video team,
the video of the session is already online [2] in case you missed
it. I've also attached the Gobby notes that were taken during the
session. Again, thanks to the people who took part - we had a useful
discussion.

UEFI - background
=

Newer PCs are now coming with a BIOS replacement (UEFI). This provides
a very different set of firmware interfaces to the traditional BIOS
that will require different boot methods. For now, PC motherboards are
continuing to ship with legacy BIOS support but this won't last
forever. In Debian, we need to make sure we build in support for UEFI
in various places:

 * debian-installer
 * boot CDs (both installer and live)
 * boot loader(s)

There is also a second part to this puzzle: Microsoft's Secure Boot
specification. System vendors wanting MS certification for their
hardware (i.e. just about all vendors) will be required to ship their
hardware with Secure Boot enabled by default, although they will also
be required (on x86 systems) to include a method for end users to
disable Secure Boot somehow. Buyers of Windows systems based on ARM
CPUs will *not* get the same freedom.

Supporting UEFI
===

We already have some of the necessary components in Debian, but we
need to make sure that we support things all the way from initial
CD/USB/network boot through installation and partitioning to
installing an EFI-capable boot loader. People are planning on tackling
this, hopefully in time for the Wheeze release. This should not be
*too* difficult, we hope.

Most of the session was taken up by discussion of...

Secure Boot (or should that be Restricted Boot?)
==

We're most likely too late to do much about this in Debian for
Wheezy. There's a lot of work that would be needed, and a lot of
decisions to be taken. I was hoping that this BoF might be the venue
for those decisions, but that was too optimistic about what might
happen in a 45-minute session.

What we should expect: if Debian does not implement SB, then users
wishing to install Debian on MS-certified hardware will have a much
more awkward experience than previously, needing to navigate through
the firmware setup interface on their machine to find the place to
disable SB before. Only then will they be able to boot install/live
media. It will be difficult for us to help much on this front.

What others have done/said about SB
===

 * Fedora - RedHat
* Everything signed
* Full signing of the kernel stack. You even have to sign modules, so it
  complicates stuff for things like DKMS.

 * Ubuntu - Canonical
* not persuaded that it is safe to use GPLv3 bootloaders - differs from
  FSF view of the issue under best current legal advice with respect to
  their pre-installed requirements in-house.
* for now avoids going the path of fully signing the kernel stack
* for now: prevent the user to have anything to do with BIOS, SecureBoot
  key handling, etc.

 * FSF
* Tend to think that GPLv3 issues (such as risking the obligation to
  release private key content) are either not an issue or that the license
  can be changed to avoid them
  
http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/whitepaper-web

Future UEFI SB changes
==

Comes down to MS certification requirements as to what actually ships. Must be
possible to disable SecureBoot but will practically be done via access to the
firmware: usability obstacle. No clarity on how users can install their own
keys, down to particular vendor variability. Part of the spec but not
necessarily implemented by vendors - best effort only and might not work for
all.

Likelihood of changes in MS requirements via public pressure vs pressure on 
OEMs?
MS are not an implementor, certifier instead. Working with individual OEMs
won't provide 100% coverage. Some clarifications have been made as a result of
bad press from the initial announcements.

Note: MS trying to implement a different mechanism / monopoly play on ARM, 
including
no requirement for SecureBoot to be capable of being disabled on ARM. Increasing
deployment of ARM devices will become important. Makes Windows phones much less
appealing as hackable devices.

Larger customers may be able to stipulate particular configurations or OS-less
hardware but this isn't just a hobbyist problem.

Reasons behind the spec include virus protection which is being pushed by some
of the larger customers for the hardware. HP want users to run what they want
to run but also take into account requirements from the same customers about
protecting what does run.

Debian and SB?
==

What are the limitations on extra keys? Is another key useful?
  * could be unlikely to get a 

Re: debian-cd BoF at DebConf

2012-07-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 03:01:37PM -0600, Paul Wise wrote:
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com wrote:

 Here's a summary of what we discussed in the debian-cd BoF [1] last
 week (9th July). Thanks to the awesome efforts of the DebConf video
 team, the video of the session is already online [2] in case you
 missed it. I've also attached the Gobby notes that were taken during
 the session. Again, thanks to the people who took part - we had a very
 useful discussion.

Was there any discussion about integration of Debian Pure Blends into
d-i and Debian Live?

Nope.

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Re: debian-cd BoF at DebConf

2012-07-20 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 09:01:21PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
Hi!

On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 17:19:40 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 CD sizing problems
 ==

 There has been much discussion about switching packages over to using
 xz compression instead of gzip by default, including Hideki Yamane's
 excellent session Let's shrink Debian package archive! [3]. Ansgar
 has been looking into the possibilities here of re-building a subset
 of the core packages using xz, and I think it's clear that this is the
 solution for Wheezy at least. In discussion after Hideki's xz talk, I
 think there was broad agreement that we should just switch to xz by
 default, *but* with the option to use a different (or even null)
 compressor where it makes sense (e.g. in packages full of
 already-compressed files such as open-clipart). There has been a
 suggestion that we should leave base packages using gzip for the sake
 of foreign users of debootstrap, but I firmly believe we should just
 tell them they'll need xz in future. Let's not hold ourself back
 here...

I cooked a patch for dpkg several weeks ago, when this got discussed
in debian-devel, to add configurable default compressor at dpkg build
time and to switch it to xz for Debian, including updated documentation,
etc. So if there's agreement, and the release team would accept this
change, then I can quickly prepare such dpkg upload.

Let's ask the RT then...

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Re: debian-cd BoF at DebConf

2012-07-20 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hello,

directing this mail to -dpkg@, which hopefully makes sense.

Steve McIntyre st...@einval.com (21/07/2012):
 On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 09:01:21PM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
 Hi!
 
 On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 17:19:40 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
  CD sizing problems
  ==
 
  There has been much discussion about switching packages over to using
  xz compression instead of gzip by default, including Hideki Yamane's
  excellent session Let's shrink Debian package archive! [3]. Ansgar
  has been looking into the possibilities here of re-building a subset
  of the core packages using xz, and I think it's clear that this is the
  solution for Wheezy at least. In discussion after Hideki's xz talk, I
  think there was broad agreement that we should just switch to xz by
  default, *but* with the option to use a different (or even null)
  compressor where it makes sense (e.g. in packages full of
  already-compressed files such as open-clipart). There has been a
  suggestion that we should leave base packages using gzip for the sake
  of foreign users of debootstrap, but I firmly believe we should just
  tell them they'll need xz in future. Let's not hold ourself back
  here...
 
 I cooked a patch for dpkg several weeks ago, when this got discussed
 in debian-devel, to add configurable default compressor at dpkg build
 time and to switch it to xz for Debian, including updated documentation,
 etc. So if there's agreement, and the release team would accept this
 change, then I can quickly prepare such dpkg upload.
 
 Let's ask the RT then...

dpkg's current diff between testing and unstable, once *.po and *.gmo
stripped is:
 323 files changed, 7307 insertions(+), 4626 deletions(-)

There's #681332 about that, which was left unanswered.

Also, I didn't see a diff for that compressor thingy.

Mraw,
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Re: Ask for d-i manual translations updates

2012-07-20 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Holger Wansing (li...@wansing-online.de):

 Adding the translator info from the d-i manual in that file would
 mix up everything completely: 
 often there are different translators for the d-i and the d-i manual.
 So, these have to be separated, to be useful.

Well, as there are separate entries for both, why not keep them
together?

This file generates
http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/i18n/languages.html, this is the
maint reason to keep  things together.

Definitely, this file needs love. I update it when a new language is
added, but often fail to adapt its content when a translator takes the
work over (mostly, because this is often a gradual change).

And, yes, when I looked at the file, seeing seppy's name, while I
haven't heard from him since 2005, was quite a shame for me.

So, in short, /me needs help to maintain the file..:-)



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Re: EFI BoF at DebConf

2012-07-20 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the summary of the EFI BoF.  If you don't mind, I'm going to
piggy-back on this to provide a bit more info about Secure Boot.  Some of
this is just expanding on your notes with clarifications; other bits are new
information I've gleaned while attending the UEFI Summer Summit this week. 
But don't ask me to remember which parts are which, as it's all run a bit
together in my head. ;)

With many of my comments, I may be giving the impression that I think things
aren't that bad and that everything will be ok with Secure Boot.  I am in
fact very concerned about Secure Boot; we have some significant challenges
ahead for continued after-market compatibility with commodity machines as a
result of this change.  But to meet those challenges, we need to be focused
on the issues that are actually going to cause a problem.  For instance, I
*don't* think we should be worried that machines will go out the door with
the Windows 8 logo on them while failing to correctly implement SB
(including the disable and customization capabilities).  The Microsoft team
working on this are quite serious about getting it right, and they do have
a compliance testing process that exercises the SB aspect of the
requirements.  So while there may be a machine or two slipping through to
market that don't support SB in the required manner, these would be bugs -
and I have every reason to believe Microsoft will be open to bug reports
about them.

The things that are worrying me, and that I therefore think we need to focus
on, are the areas where the Win8 requirements *don't* cover us.

On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 11:34:13PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 There is also a second part to this puzzle: Microsoft's Secure Boot
 specification.

Nitpick: Secure Boot is part of the UEFI specification; the part here that's
Microsoft's is the policy around how SB is to be used.

 System vendors wanting MS certification for their hardware (i.e.  just
 about all vendors) will be required to ship their hardware with Secure
 Boot enabled by default

Bearing in mind that they're only required to do this for Windows 8
certification.  Some machines may ship with Windows 8 preinstalled, but not
have SB enabled and thus not be certified; some may continue to ship with
Windows 7; some server machines may (at least in the short term) come with
firmware that doesn't implement Secure Boot.

And some vendors may ship with Windows 8 preinstalled but fail the Win8
certification requirements because they've managed to not actually support
disabling SB and/or updating keys.  Small comfort that this will result in
them not being able to use the Windows 8 logo if it means we won't be able
to use the machines at all.

Ironically this last bit means that the Windows 8 logo may wind up being the
*best* indicator of Linux compatibility for UEFI hardware.  Only time will
tell what we see in the market.

 Future UEFI SB changes
 ==

 Comes down to MS certification requirements as to what actually ships.
 Must be possible to disable SecureBoot but will practically be done via
 access to the firmware: usability obstacle.

More than just a practical implementation detail, it's by design that you
will only be able to disable SecureBoot via the firmware.  To allow a UEFI
application to disable SecureBoot for you noninteractively would almost
completely undermine the security model.  Now, I can't actually think of a
way that a UEFI application that *only* disabled SB could be used to
compromise a machine remotely; but it's in the Windows 8 reqs that the
firmware must not allow SB to be disabled programmatically.
(System.Fundamentals.Firmware.UEFISecureBoot 18)

 No clarity on how users can install their own keys, down to particular
 vendor variability.

James Bottomley appears to be addressing this:

  git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jejb/efitools.git

Provided you can get the machine into setup mode or custom mode in the first
place (which is supposed to be guaranteed by the Win8 reqs), the tools here
should allow you to non-interactively install your own keys without
resorting to the vendor's firmware UI.

  Part of the spec but not necessarily implemented by vendors - best effort
 only and might not work for all.

FWIW, my understanding is that MS's logo compliance testing is expected to
catch this case.

 It is quite possible that one or more OEM's will simply not bother to
 implement the option to disable SecureBoot or put it in but not adequately
 test it.  Current certification requires a switch to be available but no
 requirement for this to be obvious.  Turned off, the machine cannot or may
 not be able dual-boot Windows8 depending if turning it off means switching
 firmware to BIOS compatibility mode or just not cheching the signature
 from EFI.

Hmm, I don't remember this being discussed during the BoF.  I think it's
clear from context that when the Win8 requirements speak of disabling Secure
Boot, they mean not enforcing 

Bug#680668: Updating chinese-t-desktop in tasksel for Wheezy.

2012-07-20 Thread Andrew Lee
Hi Fourdollars,

2012/7/15 Shih-Yuan Lee (FourDollars) fourdoll...@gmail.com:
 Could you point out which features of ibus-chewing are not expected?
 I would like to fix them.

Here we are discussing is for wheezy which is in a freeze stage. So
that all the new
features are no related.

Thank you for your efforts to get all expected features implemented in
ibus-chewing.
Here are some feature requests and bugs opened in upstream:
http://goo.gl/m0VyJ

PS. I'd love to confirm and test all features after you fixed in sid.
Please DO NOT
keep cc not related new features discussion to #680668.

Cheers,
-- 
-Andrew


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