Bug#1041207: debootstrap: bad NMU produces buildds not supported by dpkg _and_ CTTE

2023-07-20 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 12:42:11PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> If there is somebody who's ignoring things, that would be yourself,
> given this change has been not only been explicitly requested, but even
> provided _BY_ the CTTE, as you would have easily found out if you
> actually went and checked:
> 
> https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debootstrap/-/merge_requests/93
> http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-ctte/2023/debian-ctte.2023-07-11-17.58.log.html
> 
> Debian Community Team, Adam is once again sabotaging the CTTE's work
> with hostile NMUs, could you please intervene? Thank you.

This is premature.

> In the meanwhile, I'll immediately revert the sabotage.

If this package is so important, why is it maintained by NMUs ?
Why cannot the maintainers do a proper upload ?

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Bug#589213: [Popcon-developers] Bug#589213: Do not install Exim in minimal system

2010-07-20 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 11:29:55AM +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> [Daniel Richard G.]
> > Yes, I see that... what is it now, the --no-recommends switch is broken?
> 
> Nope.  Your installation simply used version 0.26, which is one
> version before the change was introduced.
> 
> I eagerly await Bills view on the proposed change for
> popularity-contest, which I believe i a better place to implement the
> change.

Recommends is the correct relationship. Without a MTA, there is no garranty 
that report
are sent even on correctly configured hosts.

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Re: How to detect Debian systems w/o root passwd ?

2009-09-04 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 12:08:05PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 08:10:46PM +0200, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > > I'd say that reading the value of passwd/root-login debconf template
> > > is the safest way. If you get "false", then the system is a sudo-only 
> > > system.
> 
> > I assume the code below should work ?
> > debconf-show passwd 2>/dev/null |grep -q 'root-login: false'
> 
> > > Of course, that will tell you what you need only when the rootless
> > > system has been installed by choosing the appropriate option in D-I.
> 
> > Is it possible to get this information from PAM instead?
> 
> Nope, PAM will only tell you whether an authentication attempt succeeds;
> everything else is deliberately black box.

Even by reading files in /etc/pam.d/ ?

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Re: How to detect Debian systems w/o root passwd ?

2009-09-04 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 06:11:53PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting Bill Allombert (bill.allomb...@math.u-bordeaux1.fr):
> > Dear Debian boot,
> > 
> > It is now possible to set up Debian system without a root password.
> > On such system sudo must be used instead of su.
> > What is the canonical way to detect such situation ?
> > 
> > My purpose is to change su-to-root to automatically default to sudo mode
> > on such system.
> 
> 
> CC'ing you , assuming you're not subscribed.

Thanks for your answer, especially since you maintain shadow.

> I'd say that reading the value of passwd/root-login debconf template
> is the safest way. If you get "false", then the system is a sudo-only system.

I assume the code below should work ?
debconf-show passwd 2>/dev/null |grep -q 'root-login: false'

> Of course, that will tell you what you need only when the rootless
> system has been installed by choosing the appropriate option in D-I.

Is it possible to get this information from PAM instead?

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Re: How to detect Debian systems w/o root passwd ?

2009-09-04 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 03:31:08PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> Bill Allombert wrote:
>> Dear Debian boot,
>>
>> It is now possible to set up Debian system without a root password.
>> On such system sudo must be used instead of su.
>> What is the canonical way to detect such situation ?
>>
>> My purpose is to change su-to-root to automatically default to sudo mode
>> on such system.
>
> I would use:
> passwd --status root
>
> And look if it is expired, locked, or with an invalid password (RTFM
> to interpret the output)

But you need to be root to do that, which kind of defeat the point of 
su-to-root.

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How to detect Debian systems w/o root passwd ?

2009-09-04 Thread Bill Allombert 
Dear Debian boot,

It is now possible to set up Debian system without a root password.
On such system sudo must be used instead of su.
What is the canonical way to detect such situation ?

My purpose is to change su-to-root to automatically default to sudo mode
on such system.

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Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-21 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 08:52:15AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> There won't be any GR, there will be a new pet proposal until forever, and
> endless discussions as we start recalling the DPL, and bashing on the
> secretary and what not.

In the absence of GR, the current situation is that sourceless
firmwares are not allowed in main. This is the reason the RM
proposed this GR in the first place.

Re-adding them at this stage
1) is against the current social contract
2) will likely delay the release for most GR outcome, including no vote
or futher discussion.

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Re: Preparing linux-2.6 2.6.18-1

2006-09-21 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:38:50PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote:
> Second: this release contains ALL binary firmware blobs shipped 
> upstream, even those we kept pruning since the day Herbert Xu removed 
> them the first time in 2004. 
> 
> Initially, we wanted to wait for a positive GR vote outcome before doing 
> this step, but as every day existing GR proposals are changed and new ones 
> made, this seems to be going to be delayed indefinitely, which is not 
> acceptable from a release point of view.

>From a release point of view, it would be better not to assume too much
about the outcome, and I don't think any of the proposed resolution require
the kernel package to include any firmwares.

So it seems a bit risky to include yet more non-free firmware at that
stage.

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Bug#368487: Bug: #368487: tasksel-data: overwrite files from tasksel

2006-05-22 Thread Bill Allombert 
close 368487
merge 368487 368408
quit

Somehow I missed 368408.

Sorry for the duplicated report.

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Bug#368487: tasksel-data: overwrite files from tasksel

2006-05-22 Thread Bill Allombert 
Package: tasksel-data
Version: 2.45
Severity: serious

Dear Debian Install System team,

Upgrading taskel from sarge to sid fails with the error:

Selecting previously deselected package tasksel-data.
Unpacking tasksel-data (from .../tasksel-data_2.45_all.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/tasksel-data_2.45_all.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/share/tasksel/debian-tasks.desc', which is also in 
package tasksel
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)

This can be reproduced with piuparts.

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Bug#368481: tasksel has circular Depends on tasksel-data

2006-05-22 Thread Bill Allombert 
Package: tasksel
Version: 2.45
Severity: important

Hello Debian Install System Team,

There is a newly introduced circular dependency between tasksel and
tasksel-data:

tasksel :Depends: tasksel-data
tasksel-data:Depends: tasksel (= 2.45)

Circular dependencies make installation and upgrades less reproducible
and should be avoided.

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Re: gtk 2.0.x or 2.9+ for etch g-i ? (Was: graphics or text as default)

2006-05-17 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 09:48:30AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 May 2006 09:09, Sven Luther wrote:
> > It is scheduled for release during may, which may or not be delayed a
> > bit. This is way this is an important point to get feedaback from the
> > release team and from the gtk-gnome team now. I am CCing them on this.
> 
> As you are not the d-i or g-i release manager and currently not even on 
> the d-i team, it is _not_ your place to do this.
> 
> You have just managed to loose any credit you had started building again 
> by being reasonable in the discussions over the last few days.
> If this is the way you will behave, I _will_ get you banned from the 
> debian-boot list.

Hello Frans,
could you stop using debian-release for the purpose of bashing Sven
Luther ?

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Re: [RFR] Proposal for installs without network connection

2006-04-05 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 10:19:24PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> With Beta 2 we have lost the option to (easily) install without using a 
> network connection. There have been several comments about this.

Please keep in mind that there is a distinction between having no
network connection and no Internet connection. Internet access tend
to be much more expensive than setting up a local network.

For example you can have a local netwaork with a DHCP server but no
Internet access.

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Bug#251206: LANG in /etc/environment should be filled earlier

2004-05-27 Thread Bill Allombert 
Package: base-config
Version: 2.24
Severity: normal

Hello, apparently base-config set up LANG in /etc/environment only at the end.
This might cause some shells to not have a proper LANG because they are
started earlier (for example if you press F2 and log in).

Ideally, /etc/environment could be set during the first stage of the
installer.

See 

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Re: locale for the root user

2004-05-27 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Wed, May 26, 2004 at 11:20:03PM -0300, Joey Hess wrote:
> Bill Allombert wrote:
> > This has some consequences:
> > 1) Debian menu is translated, since update-menus was ran under
> > proper locales! This is very nice ! Thanks to everybody involved!
> 
> Is this _really_ a good thing?

It is!

> > 2) The debconf database might contain some non-7bit value 
> > (especially since some default value are translated by non-7bit string)
> > Unfortunately, if root rerun debconf, it will use C-locale and it
> > seems debconf under C locale does not handle well non-7bit string in
> > the database. I had problems with dexconf "Enter an indentifier for
> > your video card" which default in french to "carte vidéo générique".
> 
> Those strings sound like descriptions, which should not be displayed in
> localised form if the locale is C. Details?

See /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xfree86.config:

if [ -z "$DEFAULT" ]; then
  # fall back to some language-specific generic text
  case "${LC_ALL:-${LC_MESSAGES:-$LANG}}" in
ca_*) DEFAULT="Targeta de vídeo genèrica" ;;
# da
de_*) DEFAULT="Standardgrafikkarte" ;;
es_*) DEFAULT="Tarjeta de vídeo genérica" ;;
fr_*) DEFAULT="Carte vidéo générique" ;;
gl_*) DEFAULT="Tarxeta de Video Xenérica" ;;
it_*) DEFAULT="Scheda video generica" ;;
# ja
# nl
pt_BR) DEFAULT="Placa de Vídeo Genérica" ;;
# ru
# sv
*) DEFAULT="Generic Video Card" ;;
  esac
fi

So if user just enter [return], the value of DEFAULT, a localized
string, will be stored in the debconf database.

> > a) should the root user be configured with proper locale by d-i ?
> 
> d-i appends a LANG setting to /etc/environment, is there some reason why
> this doesn't affect root?

Strangely, today it does, and root has proper locales. I suspect either
login/PAM did not reread /etc/environment or I logged in before baseconfig
was completed. At was stage /etc/environment is filled ? 

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locale for the root user

2004-05-26 Thread Bill Allombert 
Hello Debian-installer team,

During the baseconfig part of the install, locales are set up,
while root has C locale by default (but the user account has 
correct locales).

This has some consequences:
1) Debian menu is translated, since update-menus was ran under
proper locales! This is very nice ! Thanks to everybody involved!

2) The debconf database might contain some non-7bit value 
(especially since some default value are translated by non-7bit string)
Unfortunately, if root rerun debconf, it will use C-locale and it
seems debconf under C locale does not handle well non-7bit string in
the database. I had problems with dexconf "Enter an indentifier for
your video card" which default in french to "carte vidéo générique".

3) If root rerun update-menus (by installing a package) under C locale,
user will louse the translation :(.

So:
a) should the root user be configured with proper locale by d-i ?
b) could some applications get the 'system language' somewhere
and use it when LANG=C ?

(before you ask, menu support per user translation when non-root users
rerun update-menus for themselves under their own locales)

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Bug#247765: base system install: kernel menu should offer to not install any kernel

2004-05-06 Thread Bill Allombert 
Package: debian-installer
Severity: normal

Hello debian-installer team,
During the base system install, I get a menu asking me to choose
a kernel (2.4.25 or 2.6.5). 

I don't install on a bootable media so I technically don't need a kernel.

Unfortunately I was forced to install one, so I picked 2.4.25.
The install failed with
/usr/sbin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device.
Failed to create initrd image.

(Though I wonder whether the above is not a bug in the kernel package
by itself. I am not in a position to test now).

At this point I was stuck. I tried to rerun install base system but it
did not ask to choose a kernel and ultimately failed the same way.

(I manually mounted a loop-device on /target and edit
/var/lib/dpkg/status to mark partman installed following a suggestion
of joeyh. Installing in a loop-device is supported by boot-floppy.)

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Bug#247734: debian-installer: incorrect /etc/hosts localhost line

2004-05-06 Thread Bill Allombert 
Package: debian-installer
Severity: normal

(From Pierre Machard on irc)

Hello dream-installer Team,

/etc/hosts in the debian-installer environnement is not correct
after network configuration is complete (manual).

it read:
127.0.0.1 localhost pingo
10.10.0.17 pingo.miss-knife.net pingo

  From irc:

 there should not be anything after localhost
> migus: are you sure ?
 yp certainly
 dnsdomain is confused if there is something

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Bug#247733: main-menu: "Launch a shell" lead to a shell with broken readline

2004-05-06 Thread Bill Allombert 
Package: debian-installer
Severity: normal

If you choose "main-menu: Launch a shell", you get a shell with broken
readline: using the left arrow key lead to a broken display.

Apparently, the shell under Alt-F2 does not have this problem, so I
suspect a bad tty setting.

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Re: loop device install or how to skip partman ?

2004-04-04 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Sat, Apr 03, 2004 at 01:28:10PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Bill Allombert wrote:
> > Hello Debian-installer team,
> > 
> > After testing beta 1 and beta 2, I tried beta 3, with the 
> > same goal in mind: install Debian in a file using a loop
> > device.
> > 
> > As far as I could see, all beta detected the hardware of
> > the box fine.
> > 
> > beta 1 and 2 lacked the minimal support to create loop device,
> > but the situation has improved : now there is a 'dd' utility and 'mount'
> > support '-oloop' provide we issue modprobe loop before calling mount
> > (which I found a bit confusing, it would be better if the module was
> > autoloaded, but never mind). There is no 'losetup' but it is probably not
> > neccessary.
> 
> Sounds like you have all the pieces you need to write a partman-loop
> module that adds loopback support directly to partman.

Not really... Also my goal is to see whether d-i is able to handle 
oddball situations where the `classical' install scheme is not suitable.
In this regard, b-f was excellent, and d-i is steadily improving.

> > Now, the problem is that I can't find any way to skip the 'partman'
> > step of d-i. b-f conveniently detected that /target existed and 
> > allow to go to 'install base system' directly.
> 
> Just mount /target, edit /var/lib/dpkg/status to mark partman as already
> configured, and skip over it in the menu.

Thanks, it works. At this point I can install the base system but
now installing kernel-image-2.4.25-1-386 fail:
/usr/bin/mkinitrd: Cannot determine root device.
E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned with an error codde (1)

Of course I need to use my custom initrd able to boot a loop device.

Well, I edited /var/lib/dpkg/status again to skip base-installer and I 
tried prebaseconfig which was not an huge success.
(tzconfig failed) and the tty was generally messed up so dselect is
unusable.

Probably a more convenient way to tell d-i to skip an installation step
could be useful.

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loop device install or how to skip partman ?

2004-04-03 Thread Bill Allombert 
Hello Debian-installer team,

After testing beta 1 and beta 2, I tried beta 3, with the 
same goal in mind: install Debian in a file using a loop
device.

As far as I could see, all beta detected the hardware of
the box fine.

beta 1 and 2 lacked the minimal support to create loop device,
but the situation has improved : now there is a 'dd' utility and 'mount'
support '-oloop' provide we issue modprobe loop before calling mount
(which I found a bit confusing, it would be better if the module was
autoloaded, but never mind). There is no 'losetup' but it is probably not
neccessary.

Now, the problem is that I can't find any way to skip the 'partman'
step of d-i. b-f conveniently detected that /target existed and 
allow to go to 'install base system' directly.

So I have not yet be able to complete the installation this time!

Anyway, for all I can see, beta 3 is a huge improvement over beta 2.

The 'expert mode' modules selection suffers from a usability problem:
usually it is easier to select the module we need that the modules we do
not need.

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Re: status of pppoe support in d-i ?

2003-12-16 Thread Bill Allombert 
Geert Stappers wrote:

> We, debian installer system team, have seen this before.
> 
> At http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2003/debian-boot-200311/msg00925.html
> is a patch submitted.

Reading this link, I see that

> > > so far. All of those suposedly mklibs weak symbols bugs disapeared
> > > when recompiling the faulty binaries against the proper versions of
> > > libraries so far.

So does that mean ppp-udeb is not compiled against the proper versions
of the libraries ? And then how do we achieve that ?

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Re: status of pppoe support in d-i ?

2003-12-15 Thread Bill Allombert 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/USR3/src/P/ppp/ppp-2.4.2+20031127$head -3 debian/ppp-udeb.postinst
> #!/bin/sh -e
> echo " $0 DISABLED "; exit 0

Oh, I well-know that. I use a modified version. My problem is I cannot
manage to properly load the udeb in d-i.

After udpkg -i ppp-udeb.deb, I cannot find the postinst anywhere
and it is not run. 

I tried to rebuild d-i with ppp-udeb.deb in the local-udeb but it 
do not build anymore:

461 symbols, 375 unresolved
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/mklibs", line 469, in ?
raise "No library provides non-weak " + symbol
No library provides non-weak devnam

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status of pppoe support in d-i ?

2003-12-12 Thread Bill Allombert 
Hello d-i developers,

There have been some work toward pppoe support in d-i.
I tried to test the ppp postinst script, but apparently I was not
skilled to even manage to run it.

So is there a d-i image with updated ppp-udeb and pppoe modules that I
could test ?

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Re: My experience with d-i

2003-11-11 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 02:17:07PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Bill Allombert wrote:
> > The help screen [F3] says that 'net' is good for a network install, and
> > I wanted to test network install. 
> 
> IIRC, The help screens are from the boot-floppies and basically useless.

I suppose it is a bug worth reporting.

> > When I try 'Detect CD' it run 'Config network via DHCP' instead
> > and lock for two minutes. 
> 
> Doesn't make sense to me, there is no dependency there.

Sebastian explanation of the problem seems correct.
I suppose d-i should not retry a filed operation by itself,
especially one that is not mandatory.

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Re: My experience with d-i

2003-11-11 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 12:47:12PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> Bill Allombert wrote:
> > I have entered `net' at boot prompt. 
> 
> Why did you do that, instead of just hitting enter? It apparently booted
> you up in low priority mode, which explains most of the following:

The help screen [F3] says that 'net' is good for a network install, and
I wanted to test network install. 

Sorry if it was supposed not to work, I was not aware of the fact.

As for the normal boot:
Initial boot worked:[X]
Configure network HW:   [X]
Config network: [ ] I have no DHCP server
Detect CD:  [ ] 
Load installer modules: [X]
Detect hard drives: [X]

When I try 'Detect CD' it run 'Config network via DHCP' instead
and lock for two minutes. 

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Bug#220182: netcfg: Please re-order the TCP/IP configuration questions

2003-11-11 Thread Bill Allombert 
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:44:48AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Package: netcfg
> Severity: wishlist
> Tags: d-i
> 
> The current order is not really natural :
> 
I would like to propose this change;
> 
> -IP address
> -Netmask
> -Gateway
  -DNS servers
> -Machine name
> -Domain name
> 
> Bill, feel free to comment as you are the one who motivated me to make this
> BR..:-)

My point is that we should ask the most important information first.  If
you access a Debian archive on the same LAN you only need IP address and
netmask. Once d-i know IP address, it can guess default value for
'Netmask' and 'Gateway' (as it does already).

If we want to access the Debian mirror we need the DNS server.
Machine name and Domain name are not needed at this stage, and 
a lot of people don't have a Domain name.

The order I propose is more in line with usual practice, be in software
or in document (the sheet given by the sysadmin with the network info).

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My experience with d-i

2003-11-10 Thread Bill Allombert 
Dear D-I developers,

I have tested the debian-install first beta.
I have used the sarge-i386-businesscard.iso.
I have a IDE disk a IDE CDROM an windbond-840 ethernet card and
a SCSI card (aic7xx) with nothing attached.

Here my experience:

I have entered `net' at boot prompt. 
The `Choose language' do nothing, but if I run it,
the `Detect network hardware' will prompt me whether
it should try to detect hardware or not.
If I do not run `Choose language', `Detect network hardware'
directly process to detect hardware 

The probe find my hardware (floppy,windbond-840,ide-disk,ide-cd) but
then ask me for options or a lot of module irrelevant to my system.
It finish with `Something has gone wrong'.
Then it proceed with the `Configure network via DHCP'. This one is
really painful, since it lock the install for a long time since I have
no DHCP server, but I was not offered to skip this stage and go directly
to 'Configure a static network'.

I think 'Configure a static network' asks question in the wrong order.
In a lot of case, hostname, domainname are not required for installing.
(and a lot of people don't have a domainname either.
Even the DNS server is not always needed.
So it should ask first:
the IP
the netmask
the gateway

At this point, I found no way to install in a loop device (boot-floppies
supported that) so I had to give up the install.
What is lacking is:
--- dd (to create the file)[Also it is our eponym program]
--- losetup (to create the block device)
--- the d-i equivalent of b-f 'use a premounted partition'.

I have always been a big fan of the `boot-floppies' installer. I hope
I will soon be fan of 'debian-installer'. Keep up the great work!

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Re: Installation from USB CDROM/Floppy

2002-12-03 Thread Bill Allombert 
Michael Ablassmeier wrote:
> i got some problems installing from a USB CDROM/Floppy Drive, 

Do you know if your USB devices work with a stock 2.4 kernel ?

It seems the current support for USB Mass storage in 2.4 kernels
needs a bit of screwdriving for a lot of hardware. This mean adding entries
to drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h.

When that works, after having loaded the relevant modules,
you should end up with a new device /dev/sda or /dev/scd0.
I am not sure how the kernel choose, so try both. Also try also /dev/sda1.

If it works it is great, since I will be able to install Debian from a
digital camera (which have 512Mb of storage) :)

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