Re: Please commit to help the translators (was: What is IPL ?)
Martin Quinson wrote: > Here is a little patch to bootconfig.c which will help the translators : Thanks, I have committed this to CVS. > I'm not very sure of what "DASD" means, so I let a S390 correct my > explanation and commit that... The explanation is correct, it's a "Direct Acces Storage Device". PC users would simply call this a hard disk. :-) -- Stefan Gybas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Please commit to help the translators (was: What is IPL ?)
On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 10:27:09AM +0100, Martin Quinson wrote: > === > #. TRANS: IPL (Initial Program Load) means "boot" in mainframe context and > #. DASD can be viewed as a hard disk. Please don't translate these terms > #: bootconfig.c:1557 > [...] > This is the regular way for the programmer to say something to the > translators without direct interaction. > > (for the curious, it works because in the makefile, xgettext is called with > the argument "--add-comments=TRANS") > > I'm not very sure of what "DASD" means, so I let a S390 correct my > explanation and commit that... The acronym stands for Direct-Access Storage Device. It refers to a class of secondary storage devices typically used on mainframe systems. For translation purposes, it is interchangeable with "disk" or "storage array". -- - mdz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please commit to help the translators (was: What is IPL ?)
Hello,
Here is a little patch to bootconfig.c which will help the translators :
Index: bootconfig.c
===
RCS file: /cvs/debian-boot/boot-floppies/utilities/dbootstrap/bootconfig.c,v
retrieving revision 1.152
diff -u -r1.152 bootconfig.c
--- bootconfig.c2001/11/04 18:57:15 1.152
+++ bootconfig.c2001/12/05 09:18:07
@@ -1552,6 +1552,8 @@
char line[255];
FILE * f;
+ /* TRANS: IPL (Initial Program Load) means "boot" in mainframe context and
+ DASD can be viewed as a hard disk. Please don't translate these terms */
pleaseWaitBox(_("Running ZIPL to make the kernel able to IPL from the DASD..."));
if(strlen(boot)==0) return 1;
===
Such kind of comments beginning with 'TRANS' are repported to the po files
the translators handle. In this case, I get this in my fr.po:
===
#. TRANS: IPL (Initial Program Load) means "boot" in mainframe context and
#. DASD can be viewed as a hard disk. Please don't translate these terms
#: bootconfig.c:1557
msgid "Running ZIPL to make the kernel able to IPL from the DASD..."
msgstr "Exécution de ZIPL pour que le noyau puisse faire IPL depuis le DASD..."
===
This is the regular way for the programmer to say something to the
translators without direct interaction.
(for the curious, it works because in the makefile, xgettext is called with
the argument "--add-comments=TRANS")
I'm not very sure of what "DASD" means, so I let a S390 correct my
explanation and commit that...
Thanks, Mt.
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 08:29:43PM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 07:58:59PM -0500, David Walter wrote:
>
> > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > I don't think this is necessary any more than explaining what "boot"
> > > means. At this point, anyone installing Debian/390 will know what it
> > > means. We could add a note to the install documentation about it, but
> > > anyone who doesn't know what it means is in bad shape, and probably
> > > won't be able to install successfully. Maybe the docs should point them
> > > to the IBM redbook or something.
> > Initial Program Load? Boot isn't it?
>
> They mean the same thing at a high level, but IPL is more correct in
> mainframe context, and that is the term we should use, not boot.
>
> The original question was how IPL should be translated, and it should be
> translated as IPL.
... which is a verb.
>
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Re: What is IPL ?
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 07:58:59PM -0500, David Walter wrote: > Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I don't think this is necessary any more than explaining what "boot" > > means. At this point, anyone installing Debian/390 will know what it > > means. We could add a note to the install documentation about it, but > > anyone who doesn't know what it means is in bad shape, and probably > > won't be able to install successfully. Maybe the docs should point them > > to the IBM redbook or something. > Initial Program Load? Boot isn't it? They mean the same thing at a high level, but IPL is more correct in mainframe context, and that is the term we should use, not boot. The original question was how IPL should be translated, and it should be translated as IPL. -- - mdz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is IPL ?
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I don't think this is necessary any more than explaining what "boot" means. > At this point, anyone installing Debian/390 will know what it means. We > could add a note to the install documentation about it, but anyone who > doesn't know what it means is in bad shape, and probably won't be able to > install successfully. Maybe the docs should point them to the IBM redbook > or something. Initial Program Load? Boot isn't it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is IPL ?
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 04:37:01PM +0100, Martin Quinson wrote: > On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 04:17:02AM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > IPL stands for Initial Program Load, and is another name for what we > > microcomputer types call "booting". The acronym IPL is very common in > > the mainframe industry, culture and documentation, and should be > > preserved verbatim. > > Thanks for the explanation. What about adding the meaning of the acronym > between parenthesis ? I don't think this is necessary any more than explaining what "boot" means. At this point, anyone installing Debian/390 will know what it means. We could add a note to the install documentation about it, but anyone who doesn't know what it means is in bad shape, and probably won't be able to install successfully. Maybe the docs should point them to the IBM redbook or something. -- - mdz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is IPL ?
Hi, On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 08:34:17AM +0100, Martin Quinson wrote: > Hello, > > I'm the french translator of dbootstrap, and I can't translate what I don't > understand, so I have to ask it here : > > What does the following messages mean ? > You ran into some IBM S/390-special terms (ZIPL, IPL, DASD). Since these are common terms in the S/390-World which are understood by S/390-people I think you should not try translate them. Nevertheless here come the explanations: IPL means "Initial Program Load" and is called "booting" on other platforms. Citing from the ZIPL manpage: "ZIPL is used to make either dasds or tapes bootable for system IPL or system dump." which means that ZIPL corresponds to the i386-lilo. DASD means "Direct Acces Storage Device" and is called "harddisk" on other platforms. Hope this helps? Jochen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is IPL ?
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 04:17:02AM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 08:34:17AM +0100, Martin Quinson wrote: > > > I'm the french translator of dbootstrap, and I can't translate what I don't > > understand, so I have to ask it here : > > > > What does the following messages mean ? > > > > #: bootconfig.c:1555 > > msgid "Running ZIPL to make the kernel able to IPL from the DASD..." > > > > #: bootconfig.c:2582 > > msgid "" > > "ZIPL could not be installed. You are not able to IPL this Linux system right " > > "now. Please see the log file and manually repair the problem." > > > > Don't you think it would be an improvement to redo these sentences in a more > > understandable way ? ;) > > IPL stands for Initial Program Load, and is another name for what we > microcomputer types call "booting". The acronym IPL is very common in the > mainframe industry, culture and documentation, and should be preserved > verbatim. Thanks for the explanation. What about adding the meaning of the acronym between parenthesis ? Bye, Mt. -- Un clavier azerty en vaut deux. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What is IPL ?
On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 08:34:17AM +0100, Martin Quinson wrote: > I'm the french translator of dbootstrap, and I can't translate what I don't > understand, so I have to ask it here : > > What does the following messages mean ? > > #: bootconfig.c:1555 > msgid "Running ZIPL to make the kernel able to IPL from the DASD..." > > #: bootconfig.c:2582 > msgid "" > "ZIPL could not be installed. You are not able to IPL this Linux system right " > "now. Please see the log file and manually repair the problem." > > Don't you think it would be an improvement to redo these sentences in a more > understandable way ? ;) IPL stands for Initial Program Load, and is another name for what we microcomputer types call "booting". The acronym IPL is very common in the mainframe industry, culture and documentation, and should be preserved verbatim. -- - mdz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is IPL ?
Hello, I'm the french translator of dbootstrap, and I can't translate what I don't understand, so I have to ask it here : What does the following messages mean ? #: bootconfig.c:1555 msgid "Running ZIPL to make the kernel able to IPL from the DASD..." #: bootconfig.c:2582 msgid "" "ZIPL could not be installed. You are not able to IPL this Linux system right " "now. Please see the log file and manually repair the problem." Don't you think it would be an improvement to redo these sentences in a more understandable way ? ;) Bye, Mt. PS: I lag a bit behind the CVS, so I'm sorry if it was already solved... -- Un clavier azerty en vaut deux. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
