Bug#573816: Font size has shrunk during package upgrade

2010-04-06 Thread David Murn
> > After upgrading to this version of ktorrent as part of an apt upgrade,

> > all application fonts are now approx 6pt (maybe not 6pt, but not much
> > more) font, making the display almost unreadable.  All application fonts
> > for the system are set to 12pt, but ktorrent (after the upgrade) is the
> > only app using 6pt.
> > 
> > A quick google for this problem shows others who have had the problem,
> > but with no solutions offered.
> 
> From which version did you upgrade? ktorrent 2.2.x (lenny)?

Preparing to replace ktorrent 2.2.2.dfsg.1-1 (using .../ktorrent_3.3.4
+dfsg.1-1_amd64.deb)

> And by "All application fonts for the system" you mean System Settings -> 
> Appearance -> 
> Fonts?

If I go into System -> Preferences -> Appearance and select the Fonts
tab, all listed fonts are fontsize 12.

>From my reading of the problem it appears to be KDE-related, as ktorrent
appears tightly woven into KDE.  I use ktorrent but under a primarily
gnome-based sysetm, which may be the problem that some KDE component
which is required is missing.

See http://dvaey.homeip.net/fonts.jpg for example.  In the photo you can
see my gnome-panel menu and evolution use the same font size, while
ktorrent uses a smaller font.  Ive read on other forums to use kde tools
to change settings, however as I use gnome, I dont have the KDE control
panel installed.




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Bug#573816: Font size has shrunk during package upgrade

2010-03-13 Thread David Murn
Package: ktorrent
Version: 3.3.4+dfsg.1-1

After upgrading to this version of ktorrent as part of an apt upgrade,
all application fonts are now approx 6pt (maybe not 6pt, but not much
more) font, making the display almost unreadable.  All application fonts
for the system are set to 12pt, but ktorrent (after the upgrade) is the
only app using 6pt.

A quick google for this problem shows others who have had the problem,
but with no solutions offered.




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Bug#507212: mplayer issues spurious messages

2009-03-29 Thread David Murn
This bug is also in mplayer version 1.0~rc2+svn20090303-2, and has been
in every version since I submitted this bug (mid 2008), whether or not a
specific subversion has been in unstable or not, the bug has existed
since mid 2008 as evidenced by the package name in my original
submission.

On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 23:25 +0100, Reinhard Tartler wrote:
> severity 507212 wishlist
> stop
> 
> David Murn  writes:
> 
> > Package: mplayer
> > Version: 1:1.0rc2svn20080706-0.1
> 
> this version has never been in unstable. Please consider filing such
> bugs at the actual package maintainer or even better straight to
> upstream.
> 
> > Ive noticed lately, files that previously played fine under mplayer and
> > now generating a huge amount of debug messages about vfw-avi frames.
> > The actual message is:
> >
> > [mpeg4 @0xa389c0]Invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames
> > detected
> 
> Does this message go away when you use the switch -quiet?




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Bug#505302: Caret browsing cannot be disabled

2008-11-11 Thread David Murn
Package: iceweasel
Version: 3.0.3-3
Severity: minor

When the F7 key is accidently hit while firefox has the focus (for
example when using Alt-F7 to switch to the X virtual console), firefox
tries to toggle the caret browsing feature.  The first time this happens
a dialog box is presented which asks if you wish to turn caret browsing
on or off, and also has a checkbox for 'do not show this window again'.
If you tick the checkbox and try to turn off caret browsing, the next
time the browser catches the F7 it will present the dialog box again.

The 'dont show this window again' checkbox seems to only be recognized
if caret browsing is turned on, in which case you can easily toggle it
on and off with a press of the F7 key.  However, I dont wish to use this
feature, and would rather that it didnt pop up a dialog box everytime I
flip to my X virtual console.

If the user ticks the checkbox, the user is saying they dont want the
window again, yet firefox keeps presenting the window until the user
both ticks the checkbox and enables the caret mode.

IMHO, this is wrong.




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Bug#507212: mplayer issues spurious messages

2008-11-28 Thread David Murn
Package: mplayer
Version: 1:1.0rc2svn20080706-0.1

Ive noticed lately, files that previously played fine under mplayer and
now generating a huge amount of debug messages about vfw-avi frames.
The actual message is:

[mpeg4 @0xa389c0]Invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames
detected

This message is printed for every 2-3 seconds of video.  While I
understand the importance of this information to some users, to the
average user this simply means the .xsession-errors file(s) get filled
with spurious output that the average user is never going to see.

This is only a recent change, and presumably a deliberate change to
point out broken vfw-avi files.  What option does someone have with this
file, either put up with all the thousands of warnings, or re-code the
file and still have to put up with warnings during the encoding instead.

The files obviously arent too 'broken', since mplayer seems to play and
encode them without missing a beat, but it is annoying seeing debug
messages constantly in my log files and terminals, depending on how I
use the app.




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Bug#542836: Caret browsing cannot be disabled

2009-08-21 Thread David Murn
Package: iceweasel
Version: 3.0.9-1

As a result of another unrelated bug, when I use Alt-F7 to switch from
text mode back to X, the F7 key is passed through to firefox, which
activates the caret browsing feature.

Each time this key is pressed a box is displayed asking if you wish to
turn caret browsing on.  This dialog has a 'do not show this box again'
checkbox, however if I tick the checkbox then click 'no' to not turn
caret browsing on, and press F7 again the dialog is shown again.  The
only way to make the dialog box not appear, is to click the checkbox and
then enable caret browsing.  This then means all future F7 keypresses
will silently enable caret browsing, with no indication to the user.

I consider this a bug, as the indicated function of not showing the
dialog box, is ignored.




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Bug#543210: Alt-F7 to return to X, passes F7 key to top focus'd window

2009-08-23 Thread David Murn
Package: xserver-xorg
Version: 1:7.4+4

When Im in text console, using Alt-F7 to return to X passes the F7 key
to the window which has current focus.  Ive found numerous reports of
this bug in other places via google, but no solutions or possible
remedies to fix it.

When watching the flow with xev,  when I press Ctl and Alt the
KeyPressed event is sent, then a KeyRelease is generated for both keys,
just before the console switch occurs.  When I press Alt-F7 to return,
xev shows the F7 key appearing as a KeyPresed/KeyRelease'd event.

Is there any way to prevent this key from reaching the X server?  This
bug has been reported in SuSE at the following URL..

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=141443

This page indicates that the bug has been resolved, but there appears to
be no actual details of a resolution.

This bug seems difficult to reproduce, as it doesnt occur on a fresh
debian install, however my system was installed about 3 years ago and
kept up-to-date ever since.  I have updated all packages current as of
23/8/09, and the bug is still present.

Im happy to provide any logs or other detailed debugging info to help
resolve this issue, however Im somewhat over my head when it comes to
debugging the X system.




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Bug#359714: 'Swarm average' in global statistics

2006-03-28 Thread David Murn

Package: azureus
Version: 2.3.0.6-3
Severity: minor

Azureus 2.3.0.6 added a 'feature' where the average swarm speed is shown  
on the global statistics page, however often when I try to view the stats,  
the 'average' line is sitting at about the middle of the graph, while the  
blue graph for my download speed, is relegated to a tiny section at the  
bottom.


Often my swarm average speed moves anywhere from 50-200k/sec, where my  
download speed has a max of ~50k/sec.  This means that the scale on the  
right, has steps at 50k so if my download speed drops by 10k/sec, its  
barely noticable on the graph.


It would be nice if it was possible to NOT display the average speed, or  
at the very least, to modify the code so that the scale of the graph is  
only calculated based on the actual download speed, rather than the  
potential download speed the program believes it should get (which happens  
to be twice the average).


I would downgrade to an earlier version which doesnt have this problem,  
however the 2.3.0.6 upgrade completely rewrote the config files, making a  
downgrade impossible.


David


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Bug#355436: Cleaning /tmp should be optional

2006-03-05 Thread David Murn

Package: initscripts
Version: 2.86.ds1-12
Severity: important

Like many others Im sure, I use my /tmp partition for storing files that I  
dont necessarily want to keep forever, but may for a short period of  
time.  As such, I edited my bootclean.sh script, and commented out all  
code referring to /tmp.  For maybe 6 months this system worked well, until  
I recently performed a dist-upgrade and the initscripts package was  
updated.


Part of this update, overwrote my modified script, then proceeded to  
delete approximately 100mb of debs and other files that I had backed up  
from another server I was upgrading.  In all, I lost approximately 200mb  
of data.  Now, while I can understand in a pristine environment, for users  
who dont understand what they're doing, keeping /tmp clean, is a good  
idea, but for advanced users, generally we know what we're doing and  
dislike things happening that we dont know about.


Ive got 2 points to raise on this issue.  Firstly, a new init script  
should never be installed without first checking if the previous script  
has been modified.  Apt did try to modify several scripts (most of which I  
disallowed as I have made major modifications to them), but I received no  
warning at all about bootclean being modified.  Not only did apt trash all  
my data in /tmp, but it also trashed all changes I made to the script to  
stop it trashing /tmp in the first place.


As a second thought to this, it would be nice if as part of the install  
process, if the user was asked if they want the script to blindly delete  
files on every startup.  Im sure Im not the only person who downloads  
files temporarily (especially large debian archives) to /tmp.  Maybe this  
could be added as part of the debconf system for advanced users.


While I can understand the reasoning behind it, the mere fact that a  
debian script can blindly delete an entire directory is incredibly scary  
to me, as a user.  Although it meets the criteria for a 'grave' bug  
(causing user data loss), I have only given it a tag of 'important', as it  
is only one part of the package which is troublesome.


David


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Bug#310411: 'Pieces' progress bar disappears when I scroll away from left edge

2005-05-23 Thread David Murn

Package: azureus
Version: 2.3.0.0-3
Severity: minor

I have my main display setup showing (in order): Health, #, Name, Size, 
Downloaded, Remaining, Done, Pieces, Availability, Down Speed, ETA, Up 
Speed, Status, Seeds, Peers, Tracker Status, and Share Ratio.


When the matrix is completely to the left, the display is fine, however as 
soon as I scroll slightly to the right (even a single pixel), the graphical 
'pieces' column disappears.  Sometimes it only affects the currently 
affected line, while other, times every 'pieces' progress bar on the screen 
disappears.  Even if they dont disappear immediately, they usually disappear 
within a couple of seconds.  They return one-by-one, once I slide the 
horizontal scroller back fully left.  This bug has been present since at 
least 2.1.0.4, in the Linux version, however under Windows this problem does 
not occur.


I am using debian sun-j2re-1.5, but the bug was present when using 1.4 as 
well.


The bug is generally 100% reproducable on my system.

I tried to report this bug on sourcefag, but I dont wish to sign up, simply 
to report bugs, so hopefully some debian folk might be able to sort it out.





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Bug#343976: History file is saved with incorrect size

2005-12-18 Thread David Murn

Package: bash
Version: 3.0-17

For quite a while now Ive noticed a bug in bash failing to save the  
history file correctly.  I often find that a history of 500 lines simply  
isnt enough, so I have edited my .bashrc to set HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE  
to 5000.  However this does not appear to make any difference, as the  
.bash_history file seems limited to 500 lines (actually, 505 lines at  
~9k).  Even checking that both environment variables are set to 5000.


Are there any instances in the bash source where these values are  
hard-coded, or even referenced?  This bug has been present for well over a  
year, and finally annoyed me enough to report it.


I can help provide any further information necessary to help investigate  
this issue, but it seems to be 100% reproducable on several machines I  
have, running different versions of bash.


David Murn
David Murn


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Bug#343976: Acknowledgement (History file is saved with incorrect size)

2005-12-18 Thread David Murn
Upon digging a little further (I really shouldve done this before  
submitting the first report), I have discovered what I think may be the  
problem.  When I logout, bash saves the complete history (upto HISTSIZE  
lines) to the .bash_history file, however the problem occurs when bash  
starts up.  It sets up its environment, setting HISTSIZE to 500, then  
reads in (at most) 500 lines from the .bash_history file.  It then  
processes the .bashrc and HISTSIZE is set to 5000, but by then the history  
has already been truncated to the initial value of 500 lines.


There are a couple of solutions I can see to this..

1) Read in the .bash_history file upon startup, upto EOF.  Once completed,  
set HISTSIZE to the number of lines read from the file.  This has a  
problem that you are reading an unknown number of lines, so may need some  
upper limit set.


2) Process the .bashrc file before reading in the .bash_history file, so  
that if the user does wish to change these values, it is possible.  This  
would seem to be the easiest option, however I have not looked too  
in-depth at how this could be accomplished.


David Murn


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Bug#335923: Tool-tips always stay on top

2005-10-26 Thread David Murn

Package: azureus
Version: 2.3.0.4-3
Severity: minor

When the mouse pointer is over a tab (for example 'My Torrents') and the  
tool-tip pops up, if I switch to another window (with alt-tab, im using  
metacity for my wm), the tool-tip remains on top of every window.  If I  
then move the mouse, the tool-tip remains in place.  The only way to get  
rid of it, is to switch back to azureus and then move the mouse to  
activate another (or same) tool-tip, then move the mouse off the sensitive  
area, and the tool-tip will disappear.


The tool-tip should be removed as soon as azureus window loses focus, and  
at the very least, it should be drawn on the azureus window, and not  
placed on top of all other windows on the desktop.



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Bug#331409: job control often doesnt work

2005-10-09 Thread David Murn
I have seen similar things happen here.  Often in my case, it tends to  
happen after Ive spawned more than one process from an xterm.  Sometimes,  
I can run a program from within an xterm, continue using that terminal for  
some time, then if/when I close the xterm, sometimes every process it  
started will terminate too.


This is intermittent though.  If I start a process, for example with  
"opera &", then hit Ctl-D, then opera stays running.  However if I start  
the process, then edit a couple of files, move some files/directories, etc  
(general usage), then close the xterm, then opera will close too.


This problem has only persisted for me in X so far, however I just  
experienced it in console mode too.  I had started a program (junkbuster)  
running as a background process, then went to edit a file.  After I quit  
vi, I had lost my controlling terminal.  strace on the bash process showed  
it sitting wait()'ing for something (not sure what) to return.  I killed  
junkbuster, and my prompt came back.  I then re-ran junkbuster with the  
previous command, it started properly, and returned me to a prompt.


I have also had another instance, when I had a loop running.. basically

$ while ( sleep 5s ); do ls ; done

When I hit Ctl-C, the loop stopped, bash silently crashed, and I was  
returned to a login prompt.  In the past, hitting Ctl-C sent a SIGINT to  
the 'sleep' process, which then caused 'while' to fail and return to a  
bash prompt.


These bugs have only appeared (for me), with the change to 3.0-16

Hope this helps


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Bug#310411: Broken 'pieces' bar

2005-10-10 Thread David Murn


Okay, I think I might have just figured out the case-breaker.

The amount the bar loses, is directly proportional to how far the  
scrollbar is, from the left edge.  For example, if the scroll bar is 5  
pixels away from the edge, then the top 5 pixels of the progress bar are  
missing.


This can be very easily seen if you have the 'pieces' bar extended from  
the center of the window, and large enough to stretch past the right edge  
of the window.  As you (very) slowly scroll away from the left-most edge,  
you will see the progress bar taper off in a 45-degree angle, as such: ###\


This means there must be a 1:1 relationship between the value of the  
scroll bar, and the number of pixels of the pieces bar that are visible,  
or rendered to the screen.


On a 'pieces' bar, with a percentage indicator in the top 2 pixels (as  
used on the 'my torrents' page), if I move 1 pixel to the right, the top  
row of pixels in the percentage indicator disappear.  By the time I reach  
4-5 pixels across, the percentage bar has completely disappeared, and its  
starting to eat into the 'pieces' bar.


Hopefully this direct (and partial) cause of the problem may help someone  
familiar with the code find the bug much faster.



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Bug#337218: Blocking users with bad requests

2005-11-03 Thread David Murn

Package: valknut
Version: 0.3.7-2

Ive had problems recently with users requesting obsolete/incorrect files.
Over the months/years my share has be rearranged many times, and some
users who have old file lists or old search matches, believe I still have
these files.

By looking under the 'Log' tab in the Transfers window, I can see several
(often 5-10 a minute) requests for files, which dont exist, yet these
users keep requesting over and over again.

This is an example of what shows in the log:

[17:23:13] [nickname] Client: DC++ (0.674)
[17:23:17] [nickname] Upload: [filename.avi] (347137/0)
[17:23:17] [nickname] Upload (File not found): [filename.avi]
[17:23:18] [nickname] Disconnected from 81.235.131.152:1962

It would be nice to be able to block these users from connecting, after
receiving a certain threshold of requests.  (eg. once 5 not-found replies
are generated, ban the user from connecting).

Ideally the solution would be to fix the faulty clients, but for an easy
fix, it would make sense to block users generating fake requests.  Not the
least of which, is the resources (connection space/fd, slots, etc) that
are used in dealing with these spurious requests.

David Murn


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Bug#310411: more subtleties

2005-11-03 Thread David Murn


Ive just realised another little subtlety with bits going missing in  
Azureus.  If you have the health emoticon showing on the screen (as per  
default), if you scroll away from the edge, the corresponding number of  
pixels disappears from the top of the icon.


This more clearly defines the error occuring with the progress bars, for  
the following reasons...


1. The bug affects all graphical drawable areas (eg. images, emoticons, as  
well as progress/pieces bars)


2. This method reveals that the top lines of the image are indeed being  
erased, rather than the alternative of images being offset incorrectly  
when drawn.


This bug seems easily reproducable, in a number of circumstances, so  
hopefully with a bit more digging, a fix should be found.



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Bug#338305: Context menu shortcut key conflict

2005-11-09 Thread David Murn

Package: azureus
Version: 2.3.0.4-3
Severity: wishlist

In the context menu (right click) of a downloading file in 'My Torrents',  
both the menu items 'Publish' and 'Stop' use the same shortcut key 'p'.   
Can I suggest either the Publish key be changed to the 'u' or the Stop key  
changed to the 'S'?


Ive listed this as wishlist since it is such a minor bug, but it can  
affect usability to a very minor extent.


David Murn


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Bug#271307: Anti-spam still evadable by spammers

2005-02-20 Thread David Murn
Hello,
I reported this bug about 6 months ago, and didnt even get a response (other 
than all automated acknowledgements).  Hopefully this time someone might 
have some advice on a fix, as Im sure I am not the only person getting 
hammered with spam on centericq.

The problem arises through the anti-spam option not blocking 'authorization' 
messages.  While this by itself isnt a big pain, the problem is that many 
spammers request authorization or send a 'denied authorization' packet, with 
their spam message attached as the 'reason to add' or 'reason for denial'.  
I quite often return to my computer after an extended period to find several 
of these messages, usually coming in groups of 3 or 4, (which have both 
requests and denials, and would probably show other messages if I didnt have 
anti-spam option on).

I have had a look through the source, but unfortunately OOP is not my 
strongpoint, and the bug would be fixable in a few seconds by someone who 
knows where to look.

Heres hoping I dont find myself emailing about ongoing spam in another 6 
months too.

Davey

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Bug#313157: Transfers just dont work

2005-06-12 Thread David Murn

Package: valknut
Version: 0.3.7-1
Severity: normal

After holding off on changing over to valknut for as long as I could  
(until debian forced me to change), I now find my concerns werent  
unfounded.


Since changing to valknut, a lot of my transfers (not sure exactly how  
many, but Id say over half) are being blindly dropped by the client.


After looking in the 'log' section of transfers, I often see things like  
"Warning: Remote wants to upload a file".


Why is this a warinng?  I requested the file, its in my queue, but for  
some reason valknut thinks that someone trying to send me the file, is  
worthy of a warning and closing the connection.  There doesnt seem to be  
any pattern to this, as sometimes I might receive this 'warning' several  
times on a user, before the connection eventually starts and downloads.


Is there any way to turn off this 'warinng', so the program functions as  
it was intended to?


David


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Bug#314283: Upload limiting ratio?

2005-06-15 Thread David Murn

Package: azureus
Severity: wishlist

Ive recently had problems while running azureus that uploads sometimes  
out-balance downloads, sometimes by as much as 5:1.  It would be nice to  
have a feature to restrict uploads on a pro-rata basis to downloads.


As an example, one torrent Im downloading at the moment, has downloaded  
10mb for the last 60mb it has uploaded.  Ive tried limiting upload speed,  
however when I limit to say 5k/sec (for example), my download speeds are  
lucky to get over 2k/sec.


While I understand limiting sharing is a feature that can be abused,  
having a client that only downloads 15-20% of what it uploads makes it  
pretty much useless as a downloading client.


Some options to fix this problem, may be preventing share ratio from  
exceeding a certain amount, or allowing a correlation between up/down  
speed limiting, ie. dont upload at 10k/sec if youre only downloading at  
100 byte/sec. (pretty much whats happening here)


David Murn


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Bug#327589: QCad depends on non-existant library

2005-09-11 Thread David Murn

Package: qcad
Version: 2.0.4.0-1-2
Severity: grave

With the apparent changeover from libqt3 to libqt3c102, qcad will no  
longer install properly (without wanting to install libqt3 and thus  
removing 200 other packages).  The simple fix, is to make libqt3 have a  
'Replaces' line, but until then, packages such as qcad must be re-created  
with a slightly changed 'depends' line to reflect this new qt3 library.


Maybe this bug should be filed against libqt3 as a large myriad of  
packages are affected by it.


Suggestions?


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Bug#310411: more subtleties

2005-09-11 Thread David Murn


Im not sure if its related, but I just tried making the scrollable window  
a few pixels larger than the window, and I noticed when I scrolled to the  
right, the pieces bar stays intact, but the percentage bar at the top of  
the pieces bar (the solid line that grows from the left) disappears.  So  
the pieces and percentage bar just above it, are both affected by this  
bug, but in slightly different ways.


Hopefully this little tidbit might help someone looking into the problem.   
Unfortunately I know little about java programming, so Im out-of-my-depth  
trying to figure it out myself.



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Bug#327589: QCad depends on non-existant library

2005-09-11 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:39:03 +1000, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Read the posts on the debian-qt-kde mailing list and the C++ ABI
transition announcement on debian-devel-announce, which clearly explain
that this is intended behavior.


I am not subscribed to this mailing list, and if apt removing 200 packages  
to install qcad is 'intended behaviour' then I think maybe the bug should  
be reported in apt.


If this is intended behaviour, then why is the bug fixable by a slight  
change to debian/control from qt3 to qt3c102, followed by a recompile?


And my suggestion of adding a 'Replaces' line to various XXXc102 packages,  
would alieviate any of these problems, since I thought that was *EXACTLY*  
what it was made for.. when packages change name?


Either way, why close this bug when it (as you acknowledge) still exists.   
Just because its 'intended behaviour' doesnt mean its not a grave bug.


David Murn


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Bug#412081: Viewing messages always jumps to EOF

2007-02-23 Thread David Murn
Package: evolution
Version: 2.6.3-3
Severity: minor

When viewing mail in evolution, everytime a message is diaplyed, the
window viewing the content of the message scrolls to the lower right
corner of the message.  This fault is nearly 100% reproducable, there
are only rare occasions when the message is shown from the top (so
headers are displayed).  Infact, the only time I have seen this error
not occur, was when I had a duplicate message in my inbox, and after
jumping to the top of the first message, when I selected the duplicate
from the inbox list, it displayed from the top.

Also, slightly related, the 'official' bug reporting option in the help
menu was completely broken, hence filing a debian bug against the
package.

This seems to happen with both text and HTML email, despite my having
turned off every instance I can find to not display HTML content.



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Bug#412081: Acknowledgement (Viewing messages always jumps to EOF)

2007-02-23 Thread David Murn

Upon some more digging into this issue, it appears this effect isnt
actually a bug, it was due to the 'Caret mode' being enabled in
evolution for some reason.

Im not sure if this is the default mode, however after a bit of
googling, I managed to turn up a blog of someone reporting the same
issue I reported, and reported it was fixable by unchecking the 'caret'
option in the View menu.

So the fact that the mail reader jumps to EOF isnt the bug, but maybe
the bug is that caret mode is enabled as a default setting?  Im not sure
if Im able to test this, without completely deleting my data directory
and removing and re-installing evolution.



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Bug#420491: Anti-spam feature is bypassable

2007-04-22 Thread David Murn
Package: centericq
Version: 4.21.0-19
Severity: wishlist

This issue has been raised several times before, including I think by
myself as a submitter.  The issue is primarily to do with spam on the
ICQ network.  With the 'anti-spam' setting turned on, spam messages are
blocked, however ICQ allows spammers to spam with an authorization
request message.

It would be nice in some way, to be able to control incoming messages,
either on a message type (msg/auth) or protocol basis (icq/msn/jabber),
from within the client.



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