Bug#307781: udev: why is hotplug dependency necessary
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, why can't you stop wasting everybody's time instead of RTFM like I suggested in my first reply? I have RTFM and I don't see how it helps. The readme file you pointed to doesn't even mention udev. I'll quote the udev web page: It is recommended that you also have the Linux Hotplug scripts installed, but it is not necessary for it to work properly. (http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html) Oliver -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#307781: udev: why is hotplug dependency necessary
On May 06, Oliver Kiddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have RTFM and I don't see how it helps. The readme file you pointed to doesn't even mention udev. HOTPLUG_RC_$SUBSYSTEM If set to no, disables coldplugging for the $SUBSYSTEM. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#307781: udev: why is hotplug dependency necessary
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HOTPLUG_RC_$SUBSYSTEM If set to no, disables coldplugging for the $SUBSYSTEM. Thanks but this isn't really the point of why I raised a wishlist item in the bug tracker. I had already done update-rc.d -f hotplug remove which presumably has the same effect. As the udev web page clearly states, there is no fundamental dependency on the hotplug scripts so it seems a reasonable wish for the Debian package to not have a dependency. If I want udev but not hotplug scripts, I shouldn't have to install the hotplug scripts and then read their documentation to work out how to disable them. Oliver -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#307781: udev: why is hotplug dependency necessary
Package: udev Version: 0.056-2 Severity: wishlist Reading various FAQs etc on the web, it seems clear that udev can work fine without hotplug. It also seems that other distributions allow udev to be used without hotplug. I really don't want to use hotplug: it takes ages at bootup, loads modules for hardware I very rarely use and doesn't do anything useful (any modules I want loaded at boot are compiled in). I'd very much appreciate it if the udev package only recommended hotplug and made it easy to use it without hotplug. Thanks Oliver -- System Information: Debian Release: 3.1 APT prefers testing APT policy: (650, 'testing') Architecture: i386 (i686) Kernel: Linux 2.6.11.8 Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968) Versions of packages udev depends on: ii hotplug 0.0.20040329-22 Linux Hotplug Scripts ii initscripts 2.86.ds1-1 Standard scripts needed for bootin ii libc62.3.2.ds1-21GNU C Library: Shared libraries an ii makedev 2.3.1-77creates device files in /dev ii sed 4.1.2-8 The GNU sed stream editor -- no debconf information __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#307781: udev: why is hotplug dependency necessary
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 03:13:45PM +0200, Oliver Kiddle wrote: Package: udev Version: 0.056-2 Severity: wishlist Reading various FAQs etc on the web, it seems clear that udev can work fine without hotplug. Huh? That is not true. Please point me at those faqs. The kernel _MUST_ support hotplug for udev to work properly. It also seems that other distributions allow udev to be used without hotplug. Which distros? I really don't want to use hotplug: it takes ages at bootup, loads modules for hardware I very rarely use and doesn't do anything useful (any modules I want loaded at boot are compiled in). I'd very much appreciate it if the udev package only recommended hotplug and made it easy to use it without hotplug. Ah, you mean coldplug, right? The act of loading modules at boot time based on scanning the sysfs tree? Yeah, no other distro recommends you use that, except Debian :) greg k-h -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#307781: udev: why is hotplug dependency necessary
Greg KH wrote: Reading various FAQs etc on the web, it seems clear that udev can work fine without hotplug. Huh? That is not true. Please point me at those faqs. The kernel _MUST_ support hotplug for udev to work properly. I'm talking about the hotplug scripts not CONFIG_HOTPLUG in the linux kernel. So in particular, I meant the Debian hotplug package. Sorry for not being clear. See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/udev-guide.xml Quoting from that: udev will install hotplug-base as one of it's dependencies. You do not need to install hotplug unless you want your modules automatically loaded when you plug devices in. hotplug also handles the automated bringup of network devices and firmware downloading. That's not the only FAQ I've seen. If you want, I can dig out more. It is also annoying because hotplug depends on usbutils and my machine doesn't even have USB. Thanks Oliver -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#307781: udev: why is hotplug dependency necessary
On Thu, May 05, 2005 at 07:53:39PM +0200, Oliver Kiddle wrote: Greg KH wrote: Reading various FAQs etc on the web, it seems clear that udev can work fine without hotplug. Huh? That is not true. Please point me at those faqs. The kernel _MUST_ support hotplug for udev to work properly. I'm talking about the hotplug scripts not CONFIG_HOTPLUG in the linux kernel. So in particular, I meant the Debian hotplug package. Sorry for not being clear. See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/udev-guide.xml Quoting from that: udev will install hotplug-base as one of it's dependencies. You do not need to install hotplug unless you want your modules automatically loaded when you plug devices in. hotplug also handles the automated bringup of network devices and firmware downloading. That's not the only FAQ I've seen. If you want, I can dig out more. hotplug-base is NOT the hotplug/coldplug startup stuff. You want that file. Why would you not? It is also annoying because hotplug depends on usbutils and my machine doesn't even have USB. The gentoo hotplug-base package doesn't depend on it :) Sounds like you need to prod the debian people to also fix this. thanks, greg k-h -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#307781: udev: why is hotplug dependency necessary
On May 05, Oliver Kiddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is also annoying because hotplug depends on usbutils and my machine doesn't even have USB. It does not: Depends: module-init-tools | modutils (= 2.4.2), debconf (= 0.2.26), procps, grep (= 2.5.1.ds1-2), sed (= 4), bash (= 2.05b-1) -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#307781: udev: why is hotplug dependency necessary
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is also annoying because hotplug depends on usbutils and my machine doesn't even have USB. It does not: Depends: module-init-tools | modutils (= 2.4.2), debconf (= 0.2.26), procps, grep (= 2.5.1.ds1-2), sed (= 4), bash (= 2.05b-1) Sorry, I was looking at apt-cache rdepends usbutils which does list hotplug. Perhaps that's not the same. aptitude did install it without my asking: perhaps it does that for recommends. Oliver -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#307781: udev: why is hotplug dependency necessary
Greg KH wrote: See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/udev-guide.xml hotplug-base is NOT the hotplug/coldplug startup stuff. You want that file. Why would you not? That's what I was assuming. The trouble is that in Debian there is no hotplug-base. udev depends on the hotplug package and that contains all the scripts I'm complaining about. Now if udev can work without those scripts as the Gentoo howto implies then it'd be nice to be able to have such a setup on Debian. Oliver -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#307781: udev: why is hotplug dependency necessary
On May 05, Oliver Kiddle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: those scripts as the Gentoo howto implies then it'd be nice to be able to have such a setup on Debian. Again, why can't you stop wasting everybody's time instead of RTFM like I suggested in my first reply? -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature
