Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
On Saturday 08 April 2006 00:09, Joey Hess wrote: > Peder Chr. =?UTF-8?Q?N=C3=B8rgaard ?= wrote: > > I did install alsa-base and alsa-utils (which pulled in > > linux-sound-base). That was not in itself enough - I also had to install > > package discover - that was suggested by the alsa packages. (OK, it was > > really an upgrade; debian-installer had installed package discover1, and > > package discover is a newer version of that). After that, the udev did > > create a /dev/dsp for me. > > Apparently udev is failing to load the correct alsa driver for your sound > card on its own, and discover 2 happens to load the right driver. This > is not a reason for us to install discover 2 by default along with udev; > it is a reason to get udev or the kernel fixes so the right module is > loaded by it. To do that you'll need to provide lspci and lspci -n > information as well as dmesg output and info about what sound card > module discover 2 loads (and possibly what unnucessary sound card module > udev loads). Thank for your answer; sorry that I have taken so long following up. I needed to find a time slot to do a new full installation, still based on etch beta 2 installation disk, and without manually installing discover2. I have now done that, and the problem, whatever it was, has completely disappeared. My best guess is that it was a "udev" problem, and that the development of the "udev" package has solved the problem at some time between early April and now - eight versions has been issued in the interval. So my suggestion is that this bug report should be closed. The bug was real at the reporting time, but no more, and it has nothing to do with debian-installer anyway. thanks for your efforts -- Peder Chr. Nørgaard e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gefionsvej 19 spejder-e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DK-8230 Åbyhøj tel: +45 87 44 11 99 Denmark mob: +45 30 91 84 31
[SPAM] Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
Joey Hess wrote: > Christian Perrier wrote: > > An option would be suggesting a new "task" for "Basic sound > > support"...or include the ALSA stuff in the desktop task. > > > > I personnally favor the second option. > > The desktop task already includes alsa-utils and alsa-base. However, the > task overrides have not been updated yet to reflect this change, which > I made in late Feb. Elmo? Elmo has updated the task overrides now. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[SPAM] Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
Peder Chr. =?UTF-8?Q?N=C3=B8rgaard ?= wrote: > I did install alsa-base and alsa-utils (which pulled in linux-sound-base). > That was not in itself enough - I also had to install package discover - that > was suggested by the alsa packages. (OK, it was really an upgrade; > debian-installer had installed package discover1, and package discover is a > newer version of that). After that, the udev did create a /dev/dsp for me. Apparently udev is failing to load the correct alsa driver for your sound card on its own, and discover 2 happens to load the right driver. This is not a reason for us to install discover 2 by default along with udev; it is a reason to get udev or the kernel fixes so the right module is loaded by it. To do that you'll need to provide lspci and lspci -n information as well as dmesg output and info about what sound card module discover 2 loads (and possibly what unnucessary sound card module udev loads). -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[SPAM] Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
Christian Perrier wrote: > An option would be suggesting a new "task" for "Basic sound > support"...or include the ALSA stuff in the desktop task. > > I personnally favor the second option. The desktop task already includes alsa-utils and alsa-base. However, the task overrides have not been updated yet to reflect this change, which I made in late Feb. Elmo? -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
Joey Hess wrote: > Christian Perrier wrote: > > An option would be suggesting a new "task" for "Basic sound > > support"...or include the ALSA stuff in the desktop task. > > > > I personnally favor the second option. > > The desktop task already includes alsa-utils and alsa-base. However, the > task overrides have not been updated yet to reflect this change, which > I made in late Feb. Elmo? Elmo has updated the task overrides now. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
Peder Chr. =?UTF-8?Q?N=C3=B8rgaard ?= wrote: > I did install alsa-base and alsa-utils (which pulled in linux-sound-base). > That was not in itself enough - I also had to install package discover - that > was suggested by the alsa packages. (OK, it was really an upgrade; > debian-installer had installed package discover1, and package discover is a > newer version of that). After that, the udev did create a /dev/dsp for me. Apparently udev is failing to load the correct alsa driver for your sound card on its own, and discover 2 happens to load the right driver. This is not a reason for us to install discover 2 by default along with udev; it is a reason to get udev or the kernel fixes so the right module is loaded by it. To do that you'll need to provide lspci and lspci -n information as well as dmesg output and info about what sound card module discover 2 loads (and possibly what unnucessary sound card module udev loads). -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
Christian Perrier wrote: > An option would be suggesting a new "task" for "Basic sound > support"...or include the ALSA stuff in the desktop task. > > I personnally favor the second option. The desktop task already includes alsa-utils and alsa-base. However, the task overrides have not been updated yet to reflect this change, which I made in late Feb. Elmo? -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
> So now my problem is solved. However, I would suggest that this is really a > task for debian-installer - either simply unconditional installation of alsa > (and the newest discover), or give the user an option to "install sound". As answered in another bug report, deciding whether this or that package should be part of the basic install is not D-I job. An option would be suggesting a new "task" for "Basic sound support"...or include the ALSA stuff in the desktop task. I personnally favor the second option. CC'ing Joey Hess who usually has the wise advice about tasksel...:-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
On Thursday 06 April 2006 01:08, Frans Pop wrote: > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 23:12, Peder Chr.Nørgaard wrote: > > The interesting thing is that the kernel has loaded a bunch of sound > > modules: > > Most of those are alsa modules. Try installing the alsa-base and > alsa-utils packages and reboot. After the reboot, you will probably have > to adjust the volume level once (it's zero by default). > > If that does get sound working, try running alsa-conf. > > Please let us know if this solved your problem. Thank you for quick and working advice. I did install alsa-base and alsa-utils (which pulled in linux-sound-base). That was not in itself enough - I also had to install package discover - that was suggested by the alsa packages. (OK, it was really an upgrade; debian-installer had installed package discover1, and package discover is a newer version of that). After that, the udev did create a /dev/dsp for me. So now my problem is solved. However, I would suggest that this is really a task for debian-installer - either simply unconditional installation of alsa (and the newest discover), or give the user an option to "install sound". As a bare minimum, the hint you gave me here ought to be available somewhere in the installation guide. It isn't for now, and the various HOWTOs on sound are completely outdated - from the epoch before 2.6 kernels, udev and ALSA. best regards -- Peder Chr. Nørgaard e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gefionsvej 19 spejder-e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DK-8230 Åbyhøj tel: +45 87 44 11 99 Denmark mob: +45 30 91 84 31
Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
Quoting Frans Pop ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > On Wednesday 05 April 2006 23:12, Peder Chr.Nørgaard wrote: > > The interesting thing is that the kernel has loaded a bunch of sound > > modules: > > Most of those are alsa modules. Try installing the alsa-base and > alsa-utils packages and reboot. After the reboot, you will probably have > to adjust the volume level once (it's zero by default). I haven't checked but shouldn't the alsa-* stuff be part of the desktop task? I think that one can now admit that desktop systems *should* have a working sound setup signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 23:12, Peder Chr.Nørgaard wrote: > The interesting thing is that the kernel has loaded a bunch of sound > modules: Most of those are alsa modules. Try installing the alsa-base and alsa-utils packages and reboot. After the reboot, you will probably have to adjust the volume level once (it's zero by default). If that does get sound working, try running alsa-conf. Please let us know if this solved your problem. Cheers, FJP
Bug#361003: debian-installer: installer fails to configure sound in a way that works with KDE
Package: debian-installer Severity: normal This report is about etch installer beta 2. I start by admitting that it may not be an installer problem at all; it may be that sound/KDE does not work at all in current "sid". In that case I hope you installer guys can redirect me - it could be a kernel problem, a udev problem, or a KDE problem. I have a PC - a few years old - with an ASRock K7S8X mother board with built-in Intel 810 sound. Sound has worked fine with KDE in a sarge installation on this PC. But not now, with linux-image-2.6.16-1-686 version 2.6.16-5, udev version 0.088-2, and KDE at 3.5.2. The installer doesn't ask or otherwise do anything about sound. But when KDE is started, (with sound "hardware" configured to "autodetect"), the message is that /dev/dsp does not exist. And that is correct - it doesn't. The interesting thing is that the kernel has loaded a bunch of sound modules: % lsmod | grep snd snd_intel8x0 29436 0 snd_ac97_codec 82784 1 snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_bus2048 1 snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm74408 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec snd_timer 20292 1 snd_pcm snd46080 4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 8672 2 i810_audio,snd snd_page_alloc 9800 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm So it is not that the kernel/udev hasn't recognized the sound hardware, or has recognized it wrongly. The problem is somewhere else, probably some missing software or missing configuration. Or perhaps just missing documentation. I searched the installer FAQ, the installer manual and the HOWTOs on sound. No joy. -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.16-1-686 Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
