Bug#379485: preseed exim4 template for desktop+laptop class to local delivery
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006, Marc Haber wrote: On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 10:34:25PM +0200, maximilian attems wrote: 1. Fix the package to not prompt at high priority if there is a reasonable default. I don't think there is a reasonable default for Mail. But we have been discussing this ad nauseam in the past. i think it was more difficult in the past. nowadays commercial isp or universites networks wants you to send through their smtpd, so local delivery is a not so bad first guess. 2. Switch to using some other package instead (for example, postfix). Please do so if you find this is the right thing to do. exim4 sucks badly anyway, postfix is the much better MTA. And the switch to postfix has the advantage to me personally that it decreases my workload. hmm such a decision seems a bit late in the game, afaik exim4 has less mem footprint for laptops.. indeed reassigning to exim4 to produce per defaul an local delivery setup at debconf level high. I do not remember reaching consensus that a local delivery setup is a reasonable default. Who will handle the bugreports from people who claim about broken Mail setup after installation? Will the installer people at least provide a canned response to such bug reports? mention it in the faq and have some cool wouter scripts that allow better configuration.. advanced users will be able to use debconf to configure exim4 to their wishes at lower priority or by editing the configs. And less advanced users will complain loudly to the exim4 maintainers. let say users who do that are not bad already ;) best regards -- maks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#379485: preseed exim4 template for desktop+laptop class to local delivery
On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 06:54:42AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: I'm not sure about this bug report. It implicitely suggest that the default configuration should be Local delivery only. I don't remember about your exact plans in that matter, but either this is planned and the bug can be merged with other bugs suggesting this if there are someor this is not planned/wished and the bug should probably be marked as wontfix. Having used the installer in the past weeks a few times, I am disturbed myself that exim4 is among the last packages that still ask questions on installation. Additionally, the level of the questions is _much_ higher than the other installer questions. So there is no doubt that something will happen in this regard. I am just not sure what is the best solution here. Since the installer people are heavily pushing, and every decision taken will be _WRONG_ for some people, causing mail loss, I'll probably throw a dice and ignore all error reports that complain about my choice. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 72739835 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#379485: preseed exim4 template for desktop+laptop class to local delivery
Having used the installer in the past weeks a few times, I am disturbed myself that exim4 is among the last packages that still ask questions on installation. Additionally, the level of the questions is _much_ higher than the other installer questions. Indeed, exim4 is the only package asking questions, along with xorg and popcon, when installing the desktop task..:-) However, I do not see this as *that* bad. After all, having a functional mail system is something that has some importance. Since the installer people are heavily pushing, and every decision Actually, we were pushing for the priority to be lowered from critical to high. I see less pressure for the question to completely disappear from the default install. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#379485: preseed exim4 template for desktop+laptop class to local delivery
maximilian attems wrote: rationale: either webmail or pop3/imap via thunderbird/evolution are the highest probable case for laptop+desktop user. expert user will want anyway better configurability of the exim4 configs. exim4, popularity-contest and xorg warning were the only templates that prompted irc. Preseeding or otherwise avoiding questions is entirely out of scope for tasksel. The only two possible solutions are: 1. Fix the package to not prompt at high priority if there is a reasonable default. 2. Switch to using some other package instead (for example, postfix). Note that exim4 is not part of either the laptop or desktop task, but instead is part of the standard system. -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#379485: preseed exim4 template for desktop+laptop class to local delivery
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 11:15:43PM +0200, maximilian attems wrote: Package: tasksel Version: 2.50 Severity: wishlist rationale: either webmail or pop3/imap via thunderbird/evolution are the highest probable case for laptop+desktop user. expert user will want anyway better configurability of the exim4 configs. Exactly, but I'm not convinced that preseeding is the right way to do it. I've suggested a better way to do this a few weeks back on a discussion that happened on this list and on the pkg-exim4-devel mailinglist; I'm currently in the process of implementing the proposed alternative configuration scheme (which is taking me more work than expected). Personally, I think having a clearer initial mail configuration, with the ability to easily set it up so it will know that you don't have your own mail domain, is a far better way to tackle this issue than to work around it by trying to avoid that the user sees any mail configuration at all. -- Fun will now commence -- Seven Of Nine, Ashes to Ashes, stardate 53679.4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#379485: preseed exim4 template for desktop+laptop class to local delivery
Preseeding or otherwise avoiding questions is entirely out of scope for tasksel. The only two possible solutions are: 1. Fix the package to not prompt at high priority if there is a reasonable default. 2. Switch to using some other package instead (for example, postfix). Marc haber is planning to do a minimum debconf rework for exim4. I don't exactly remember what are his final plans, though. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#379485: preseed exim4 template for desktop+laptop class to local delivery
reassign 379485 exim4 retitle 379485 please default exim4 for local delivery at debconf level high thanks On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Joey Hess wrote: maximilian attems wrote: rationale: either webmail or pop3/imap via thunderbird/evolution are the highest probable case for laptop+desktop user. expert user will want anyway better configurability of the exim4 configs. exim4, popularity-contest and xorg warning were the only templates that prompted irc. Preseeding or otherwise avoiding questions is entirely out of scope for tasksel. The only two possible solutions are: 1. Fix the package to not prompt at high priority if there is a reasonable default. 2. Switch to using some other package instead (for example, postfix). Note that exim4 is not part of either the laptop or desktop task, but instead is part of the standard system. -- see shy jo indeed reassigning to exim4 to produce per defaul an local delivery setup at debconf level high. that is sane for security reasons. afair postfix is setup that way in Debian. advanced users will be able to use debconf to configure exim4 to their wishes at lower priority or by editing the configs. -- maks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#379485: preseed exim4 template for desktop+laptop class to local delivery
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 10:34:25PM +0200, maximilian attems wrote: 1. Fix the package to not prompt at high priority if there is a reasonable default. I don't think there is a reasonable default for Mail. But we have been discussing this ad nauseam in the past. 2. Switch to using some other package instead (for example, postfix). Please do so if you find this is the right thing to do. exim4 sucks badly anyway, postfix is the much better MTA. And the switch to postfix has the advantage to me personally that it decreases my workload. indeed reassigning to exim4 to produce per defaul an local delivery setup at debconf level high. I do not remember reaching consensus that a local delivery setup is a reasonable default. Who will handle the bugreports from people who claim about broken Mail setup after installation? Will the installer people at least provide a canned response to such bug reports? advanced users will be able to use debconf to configure exim4 to their wishes at lower priority or by editing the configs. And less advanced users will complain loudly to the exim4 maintainers. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 72739835 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#379485: preseed exim4 template for desktop+laptop class to local delivery
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 10:11:40PM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: Preseeding or otherwise avoiding questions is entirely out of scope for tasksel. The only two possible solutions are: 1. Fix the package to not prompt at high priority if there is a reasonable default. 2. Switch to using some other package instead (for example, postfix). Marc haber is planning to do a minimum debconf rework for exim4. I don't exactly remember what are his final plans, though. Lowering the priority of some debconf questions is a standing bug for years, and it will happen. I simply don't care any more what the MTA does after installation. I'm fine with maintaining the default MTA, but if you find that my job is _that_ bad please feel free to replace exim4 with postfix or myself with somebody else. Greetings Marc -- - Marc Haber | I don't trust Computers. They | Mailadresse im Header Mannheim, Germany | lose things.Winona Ryder | Fon: *49 621 72739834 Nordisch by Nature | How to make an American Quilt | Fax: *49 621 72739835 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#379485: preseed exim4 template for desktop+laptop class to local delivery
I simply don't care any more what the MTA does after installation. I'm fine with maintaining the default MTA, but if you find that my job is _that_ bad please feel free to replace exim4 with postfix or myself with somebody else. I would certainly object to anyone suggesting that your job maintaining exim4 (along with other exim4 maintainers) is bad. I'm not sure about this bug report. It implicitely suggest that the default configuration should be Local delivery only. I don't remember about your exact plans in that matter, but either this is planned and the bug can be merged with other bugs suggesting this if there are someor this is not planned/wished and the bug should probably be marked as wontfix. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Bug#379485: preseed exim4 template for desktop+laptop class to local delivery
Package: tasksel Version: 2.50 Severity: wishlist rationale: either webmail or pop3/imap via thunderbird/evolution are the highest probable case for laptop+desktop user. expert user will want anyway better configurability of the exim4 configs. exim4, popularity-contest and xorg warning were the only templates that prompted irc. -- System Information: Debian Release: testing/unstable APT prefers testing APT policy: (900, 'testing'), (500, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-1-686 Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE=en_US (charmap=ISO-8859-1) Versions of packages tasksel depends on: ii aptitude 0.4.1-1.1 terminal-based apt frontend ii debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.5.2 Debian configuration management sy ii liblocale-gettext-perl1.05-1 Using libc functions for internati ii tasksel-data 2.50 Official tasks used for installati tasksel recommends no packages. -- debconf information: tasksel/title: tasksel/first: Laptop, Standard system tasksel/tasks: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
