Bug#401669: icedax: please rename

2006-12-07 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h
* Mike Hommey [Thu, Dec 07 2006, 07:58:20AM]:
 On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 01:48:55AM +0100, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  #include hallo.h
  * Mike Hommey [Wed, Dec 06 2006, 08:36:16PM]:
   On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 05:02:19PM +0100, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL 
   PROTECTED] wrote:
#include hallo.h
* Adrian Bunk [Tue, Dec 05 2006, 11:16:49AM]:
 Package: icedax
 Version: 9:1.1.0-1
 Severity: wishlist
 
 The name icedax sounds as if it was one more of the Debian
 Mozilla versions iceape/icedove/iceweasel
 (especially for German people: German Dachs = badger).
 
 Could you name it differently?

I disagree (speaking for myself only). That would mean that Debian
enforces a strict name policy in exchange for another strict (and
trademark protected) naming policy.

ice{ape,dove,weasel} sound like forks of censored for Debianothers,
and icedax is another fork of censored for Debianothers. I don't see
why it should not share the namespace of the low-temperature zoo.
   
   If you felt that using the same namespace than mozilla products forks
   was so cool, why didn't you rename mkisofs icesomethingelse ?
  
  Because icesomethingelse sounds even uglier. And icesomethingelse would
  be used then, the next fork would not
  icesomethingelsebutnottheothericesomethingelse as the binary name.
  
  And most other names have been used already... and dax has some meaning
  (Digital Audio eXtraction).
 
 It could have been icegii, as Generate Iso Image. Or whatever.

Heh? genisoimage is another tool. And it is not called icemkisofs.

 So, why not just dax for cdda2wav ?

Heh? Maybe we should have called it... just C! It is even shorter and
even more unique.

Come on peple, the name sounds odd but it serves its purpose: beeing
substantialy different from cdda2wav. Of course it sounds a bit odd
and people will need some time to get used to it, but it's the normal
way with many unique/phantasy names.

Eduard.

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Bug#401669: icedax: please rename

2006-12-06 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 05:02:19PM +0100, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 #include hallo.h
 * Adrian Bunk [Tue, Dec 05 2006, 11:16:49AM]:
  Package: icedax
  Version: 9:1.1.0-1
  Severity: wishlist
  
  The name icedax sounds as if it was one more of the Debian
  Mozilla versions iceape/icedove/iceweasel
  (especially for German people: German Dachs = badger).
  
  Could you name it differently?
 
 I disagree (speaking for myself only). That would mean that Debian
 enforces a strict name policy in exchange for another strict (and
 trademark protected) naming policy.
 
 ice{ape,dove,weasel} sound like forks of censored for Debianothers,
 and icedax is another fork of censored for Debianothers. I don't see
 why it should not share the namespace of the low-temperature zoo.

If you felt that using the same namespace than mozilla products forks
was so cool, why didn't you rename mkisofs icesomethingelse ?

Why rename cdda2wav anyway ? is it a trademark ?

Mike


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Bug#401669: icedax: please rename

2006-12-06 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h
* Mike Hommey [Wed, Dec 06 2006, 08:36:16PM]:
 On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 05:02:19PM +0100, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  #include hallo.h
  * Adrian Bunk [Tue, Dec 05 2006, 11:16:49AM]:
   Package: icedax
   Version: 9:1.1.0-1
   Severity: wishlist
   
   The name icedax sounds as if it was one more of the Debian
   Mozilla versions iceape/icedove/iceweasel
   (especially for German people: German Dachs = badger).
   
   Could you name it differently?
  
  I disagree (speaking for myself only). That would mean that Debian
  enforces a strict name policy in exchange for another strict (and
  trademark protected) naming policy.
  
  ice{ape,dove,weasel} sound like forks of censored for Debianothers,
  and icedax is another fork of censored for Debianothers. I don't see
  why it should not share the namespace of the low-temperature zoo.
 
 If you felt that using the same namespace than mozilla products forks
 was so cool, why didn't you rename mkisofs icesomethingelse ?

Because icesomethingelse sounds even uglier. And icesomethingelse would
be used then, the next fork would not
icesomethingelsebutnottheothericesomethingelse as the binary name.

And most other names have been used already... and dax has some meaning
(Digital Audio eXtraction).

 Why rename cdda2wav anyway ? is it a trademark ?

Not really. But the author wished that and we respected his wish,
counting on better relationships in the future. I had to contact him
directly to be sure, since Schilling kept claiming various things
without proof. And Heiko sounded more reasonable.

Eduard.
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Bug#401669: icedax: please rename

2006-12-06 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Dec 07, 2006 at 01:48:55AM +0100, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 #include hallo.h
 * Mike Hommey [Wed, Dec 06 2006, 08:36:16PM]:
  On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 05:02:19PM +0100, Eduard Bloch [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   #include hallo.h
   * Adrian Bunk [Tue, Dec 05 2006, 11:16:49AM]:
Package: icedax
Version: 9:1.1.0-1
Severity: wishlist

The name icedax sounds as if it was one more of the Debian
Mozilla versions iceape/icedove/iceweasel
(especially for German people: German Dachs = badger).

Could you name it differently?
   
   I disagree (speaking for myself only). That would mean that Debian
   enforces a strict name policy in exchange for another strict (and
   trademark protected) naming policy.
   
   ice{ape,dove,weasel} sound like forks of censored for Debianothers,
   and icedax is another fork of censored for Debianothers. I don't see
   why it should not share the namespace of the low-temperature zoo.
  
  If you felt that using the same namespace than mozilla products forks
  was so cool, why didn't you rename mkisofs icesomethingelse ?
 
 Because icesomethingelse sounds even uglier. And icesomethingelse would
 be used then, the next fork would not
 icesomethingelsebutnottheothericesomethingelse as the binary name.
 
 And most other names have been used already... and dax has some meaning
 (Digital Audio eXtraction).

It could have been icegii, as Generate Iso Image. Or whatever.

So, why not just dax for cdda2wav ?

Mike


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Bug#401669: icedax: please rename

2006-12-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
Package: icedax
Version: 9:1.1.0-1
Severity: wishlist

The name icedax sounds as if it was one more of the Debian
Mozilla versions iceape/icedove/iceweasel
(especially for German people: German Dachs = badger).

Could you name it differently?

TIA


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Bug#401669: icedax: please rename

2006-12-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include hallo.h
* Adrian Bunk [Tue, Dec 05 2006, 11:16:49AM]:
 Package: icedax
 Version: 9:1.1.0-1
 Severity: wishlist
 
 The name icedax sounds as if it was one more of the Debian
 Mozilla versions iceape/icedove/iceweasel
 (especially for German people: German Dachs = badger).
 
 Could you name it differently?

I disagree (speaking for myself only). That would mean that Debian
enforces a strict name policy in exchange for another strict (and
trademark protected) naming policy.

ice{ape,dove,weasel} sound like forks of censored for Debianothers,
and icedax is another fork of censored for Debianothers. I don't see
why it should not share the namespace of the low-temperature zoo.

Eduard.

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Bug#401669: icedax: please rename

2006-12-05 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 05:02:19PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote:
 #include hallo.h
 * Adrian Bunk [Tue, Dec 05 2006, 11:16:49AM]:
  Package: icedax
  Version: 9:1.1.0-1
  Severity: wishlist
  
  The name icedax sounds as if it was one more of the Debian
  Mozilla versions iceape/icedove/iceweasel
  (especially for German people: German Dachs = badger).
  
  Could you name it differently?
 
 I disagree (speaking for myself only). That would mean that Debian
 enforces a strict name policy in exchange for another strict (and
 trademark protected) naming policy.
 
 ice{ape,dove,weasel} sound like forks of censored for Debianothers,
 and icedax is another fork of censored for Debianothers. I don't see
 why it should not share the namespace of the low-temperature zoo.

All I can say that it confused me that one more ice* package was pulled 
by an apt-get dist-upgrade one day after I got iceape this way, and it 
turned out it was not in any way related to the Mozilla project.

That's not about a strict naming policy, it's simply the fact that the 
name icedax will IMHO become a big source of confusion for users.

wodim was a good name, and there are many other possible names that will 
not cause any confusion.

Feel free to disagree (and you are the maintainer).

 Eduard.

cu
Adrian

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