Bug#402856: wishlist: icedove/thunderbird has backwards MMDDYY date format
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 04:35:52PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: Package: icedove Version: 1.5.0.8.dfsg1-1 Severity: wishlist icedove displays mesage dates in MMDDYY format, which is really jarring for anyone used to the sane DDMMYY or even saner MMDD formats - it's impossible to tell what date is actually being displayed without viewing enough other dates (with day numbers above 12) to figure out if the first two digits are indicating Day or Month. this wouldn't normally warrant a bug report, except that there does not appear to be any configuration option to set date style. so icedove/thunderbird users are stuck with the braindamaged US date style. please fix or send this report upstream. The date format is taken from LC_TIME ... unless this isn't the case anymore, I don't consider this a bug. - Alexander p.s. please take care that the bug is listed as To: or CC: when replying to this mail (e.g. /reply-all/). -- GPG messages preferred. | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** Alexander Sack| : :' : The universal [EMAIL PROTECTED] | `. `' Operating System http://www.asoftsite.org | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#402856: wishlist: icedove/thunderbird has backwards MMDDYY date format
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 12:31:14PM +0100, Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail wrote: The date format is taken from LC_TIME ... unless this isn't the case anymore, I don't consider this a bug. it is a bug as: a) there's no way for the user to change it b) other gnome programs don't have this problem, at least not that i've ever noticed (note: i don't use icedove or thunderbird or any GUI mail client myself. i use mutt. i was helping to set up ID for someone else). please fix or send this report upstream. craig -- craig sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] (part time cyborg) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#402856: wishlist: icedove/thunderbird has backwards MMDDYY date format
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 12:28:39AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 12:31:14PM +0100, Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail wrote: The date format is taken from LC_TIME ... unless this isn't the case anymore, I don't consider this a bug. it is a bug as: a) there's no way for the user to change it The user can set the LC_TIME env? BTW, afaik there is not even a UI option to select the locale package you want to use ... so I guess they call this UI-bloat and leave this to some extension package. ... and I am sure that this has been reported upstream more than once (without taking even a look). So, consider that they just don't want to make this available as an UI option. b) other gnome programs don't have this problem, at least not that i've ever noticed (note: i don't use icedove or thunderbird or any GUI mail client myself. i use mutt. i was helping to set up ID for someone else). What do you mean by other gnome programs don't have this problem? You mean they honor some gnome setting for date format? ... remember, that icedove is not a gnome program. - Alexander p.s. please take care that the bug is listed as To: or CC: when replying to this mail (e.g. /reply-all/). -- GPG messages preferred. | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** Alexander Sack| : :' : The universal [EMAIL PROTECTED] | `. `' Operating System http://www.asoftsite.org | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#402856: wishlist: icedove/thunderbird has backwards MMDDYY date format
tags 402856 + confirmed thanks sorry for my previous ignorance ... opening my eyes shows me the obivous ... this is indeed a bug. Shame on me. Thanks, - Alexander p.s. please take care that the bug is listed as To: or CC: when replying to this mail (e.g. /reply-all/). -- GPG messages preferred. | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** Alexander Sack| : :' : The universal [EMAIL PROTECTED] | `. `' Operating System http://www.asoftsite.org | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#402856: wishlist: icedove/thunderbird has backwards MMDDYY date format
tags 402856 - confirmed thanks sorry for the confusion ... I thought I could reproduce it. Can you please take a look that LANG or LC_TIME work for you too? On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 05:29:38PM +0100, Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail wrote: tags 402856 + confirmed thanks sorry for my previous ignorance ... opening my eyes shows me the obivous ... this is indeed a bug. Shame on me. Thanks, - Alexander p.s. please take care that the bug is listed as To: or CC: when replying to this mail (e.g. /reply-all/). - Alexander p.s. please take care that the bug is listed as To: or CC: when replying to this mail (e.g. /reply-all/). -- GPG messages preferred. | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** Alexander Sack| : :' : The universal [EMAIL PROTECTED] | `. `' Operating System http://www.asoftsite.org | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#402856: wishlist: icedove/thunderbird has backwards MMDDYY date format
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 07:45:23PM +0100, Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail wrote: sorry for the confusion ... I thought I could reproduce it. Can you please take a look that LANG or LC_TIME work for you too? it seems to use LANG rather than LC_TIME. e.g if i have LANG=en_au and LC_TIME=en_dk.utf8, then it uses the au date format of DDMMYY rather than iso format MMDD. good enough, it's better than MMDDYY. i still think there should be a way to set the date format from within the program - most other GUI programs that display dates have some way of setting itand many users (including the ones i was setting this up for) aren't going to be able to figure it out. craig ps: i figured out the source of this problem on this machine. i built the machine yesterday using debian-from-scratch 0.99, which doesn't set the default locale like the debian installer does. i'll remember to run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' on any future DFS machines i build. -- craig sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] (part time cyborg) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#402856: wishlist: icedove/thunderbird has backwards MMDDYY date format
On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 08:46:39AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 07:45:23PM +0100, Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail wrote: sorry for the confusion ... I thought I could reproduce it. Can you please take a look that LANG or LC_TIME work for you too? it seems to use LANG rather than LC_TIME. For me LC_TIME works too. Maybe read, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315368 IMO, the unaware user should always have the right LANG setting, because he chooses his language and region during install. If there are region/language settings in desktop environment that are not honoured, maybe those should try to tweak LANG settings for apps launched properly? You said that gnome apps don't have such a problem ... how do they do it? - Alexander p.s. please take care that the bug is listed as To: or CC: when replying to this mail (e.g. /reply-all/). -- GPG messages preferred. | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** Alexander Sack| : :' : The universal [EMAIL PROTECTED] | `. `' Operating System http://www.asoftsite.org | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#402856: wishlist: icedove/thunderbird has backwards MMDDYY date format
On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:34:59PM +0100, Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail wrote: On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 08:46:39AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: On Wed, Dec 13, 2006 at 07:45:23PM +0100, Alexander Sack - Debian Bugmail wrote: sorry for the confusion ... I thought I could reproduce it. Can you please take a look that LANG or LC_TIME work for you too? it seems to use LANG rather than LC_TIME. For me LC_TIME works too. Maybe read, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=315368 i'll read that later today. thanks. You said that gnome apps don't have such a problem ... how do they do it? what i said was that most apps that display dates allow the user to change the date format. requiring the user to mess about with environment variables (and probably also edit the prefs for the app's desktop icon to set the env var when launching) isn't really good enough. it's fine for a text-mode app like mutt where you can assume that the user is comfortable with that kind of thing, but not for a GUI app where you can only assume that the user is fairly naive. craig -- craig sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] (part time cyborg) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#402856: wishlist: icedove/thunderbird has backwards MMDDYY date format
Package: icedove Version: 1.5.0.8.dfsg1-1 Severity: wishlist icedove displays mesage dates in MMDDYY format, which is really jarring for anyone used to the sane DDMMYY or even saner MMDD formats - it's impossible to tell what date is actually being displayed without viewing enough other dates (with day numbers above 12) to figure out if the first two digits are indicating Day or Month. this wouldn't normally warrant a bug report, except that there does not appear to be any configuration option to set date style. so icedove/thunderbird users are stuck with the braindamaged US date style. please fix or send this report upstream. -- System Information: Debian Release: 4.0 APT prefers unstable APT policy: (500, 'unstable') Architecture: i386 (i686) Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash Kernel: Linux 2.6.17 Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968) Versions of packages icedove depends on: ii debconf [debconf-2.0] 1.5.9 Debian configuration management sy ii libatk1.0-01.12.3-1 The ATK accessibility toolkit ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries ii libcairo2 1.2.4-4 The Cairo 2D vector graphics libra ii libfontconfig1 2.4.1-2 generic font configuration library ii libgcc11:4.1.1-20GCC support library ii libglib2.0-0 2.12.4-2 The GLib library of C routines ii libgtk2.0-02.8.20-3 The GTK+ graphical user interface ii libjpeg62 6b-13 The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG ii libpango1.0-0 1.14.8-2 Layout and rendering of internatio ii libpng12-0 1.2.13-4 PNG library - runtime ii libstdc++6 4.1.1-20 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 ii libx11-6 2:1.0.3-4 X11 client-side library ii libxcursor11.1.7-4 X cursor management library ii libxext6 1:1.0.1-2 X11 miscellaneous extension librar ii libxfixes3 1:4.0.1-5 X11 miscellaneous 'fixes' extensio ii libxft22.1.8.2-8 FreeType-based font drawing librar ii libxi6 1:1.0.1-4 X11 Input extension library ii libxinerama1 1:1.0.1-4.1 X11 Xinerama extension library ii libxrandr2 2:1.1.0.2-5 X11 RandR extension library ii libxrender11:0.9.1-3 X Rendering Extension client libra ii libxt6 1:1.0.2-2 X11 toolkit intrinsics library ii myspell-en-au [myspell-dic 2.1-3 English_australian dictionary for ii myspell-en-gb [myspell-dic 1:2.0.4~rc1-3 English_british dictionary for mys ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3-13compression library - runtime icedove recommends no packages. -- debconf information: * icedove/browser: GNOME -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
