Bug#481391: cmake should not depend on emacs-common
Hello, 2009 m. February 28 d., Saturday, Joshua Rodman rašė: Apparently, you believe that installing unrelated software and packages is not in any way a problem, therefore there is nothing I can do to convince you. I believe that emacsen-common is too small (this is the most important argument) to warrant the split. This package does not pose any security risk, it just ships a few configuration files and scripts. -- Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#481391: cmake should not depend on emacs-common
Hello, 2009 m. February 27 d., Friday, Joshua Rodman rašė: I use cmake. I don't use emacs. cmake should not force install of other packages for optional features. Moreover, since I do not use emacs, there's no way I have a use for emacs-common or the emacs syntax/indent file. Suggests: or Recommends: would be correct. emacsen-common is a light package, it does not pull any emacs stuff. And it is harmless. Note that the install error does not occur. I created an ersatz emacs-common using equivs. The install runs without a hitch, and cmake works fine. You apparently misunderstood the bug. I don't want to get into details again, but the *only solution* is to depend on emacsen-common, anything else potentially breaks _other packages_ and it is not acceptable. And, as I said, emacsen-common is a small harmless package anyway. -- Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#481391: cmake should not depend on emacs-common
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:41:44PM +0200, Modestas Vainius wrote: Hello, 2009 m. February 27 d., Friday, Joshua Rodman ra: I use cmake. I don't use emacs. cmake should not force install of other packages for optional features. Moreover, since I do not use emacs, there's no way I have a use for emacs-common or the emacs syntax/indent file. Suggests: or Recommends: would be correct. emacsen-common is a light package, it does not pull any emacs stuff. And it is harmless. Note that the install error does not occur. I created an ersatz emacs-common using equivs. The install runs without a hitch, and cmake works fine. You apparently misunderstood the bug. I don't want to get into details again, but the *only solution* is to depend on emacsen-common, anything else potentially breaks _other packages_ and it is not acceptable. And, as I said, emacsen-common is a small harmless package anyway. If the emacs feature of cmake must depend upon emacs-common, then the correct solution is to break this feature into cmake-emacs-whatever, recommend that, and have that depend upon emacs-common. Installing undesired irrelevant infrastructure isn't entirely innocuous. It's a sort of a feature-creep problem. This may be of lesser importance than the original problem, but it's still bad. Should I open an independent bug? -josh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#481391: cmake should not depend on emacs-common
Hello, 2009 m. February 27 d., Friday, Joshua Rodman rašė: If the emacs feature of cmake must depend upon emacs-common, then the correct solution is to break this feature into cmake-emacs-whatever, recommend that, and have that depend upon emacs-common. Just for the sake of small syntax highlithing files? That's called archive bloat. Installing undesired irrelevant infrastructure isn't entirely innocuous. It's a sort of a feature-creep problem. Unless you provide me with good rationalle (e.g. how emacsen-common breaks/bloats/whatever your system), I don't consider this as a problem at all. And no, such arguments as I don't want to have anything *emacs* installed do not really count for me. This may be of lesser importance than the original problem, but it's still bad. Should I open an independent bug? Well, you can, but I will close or tag it wontfix immediatelly unless you provide really good justified arguments for me to change my mind. So far, I have not heard any (only your personal opinion that it is wrong). -- Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#481391: cmake should not depend on emacs-common
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 05:46:38PM +0200, Modestas Vainius wrote: Hello, 2009 m. February 27 d., Friday, Joshua Rodman ra: If the emacs feature of cmake must depend upon emacs-common, then the correct solution is to break this feature into cmake-emacs-whatever, recommend that, and have that depend upon emacs-common. Just for the sake of small syntax highlithing files? That's called archive bloat. Installing undesired irrelevant infrastructure isn't entirely innocuous. It's a sort of a feature-creep problem. Unless you provide me with good rationalle (e.g. how emacsen-common breaks/bloats/whatever your system), I don't consider this as a problem at all. And no, such arguments as I don't want to have anything *emacs* installed do not really count for me. This may be of lesser importance than the original problem, but it's still bad. Should I open an independent bug? Well, you can, but I will close or tag it wontfix immediatelly unless you provide really good justified arguments for me to change my mind. So far, I have not heard any (only your personal opinion that it is wrong). Apparently, you believe that installing unrelated software and packages is not in any way a problem, therefore there is nothing I can do to convince you. Have a nice life. -josh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#481391: cmake should not depend on emacs-common
This bug has been resolved incorrectly. I use cmake. I don't use emacs. cmake should not force install of other packages for optional features. Moreover, since I do not use emacs, there's no way I have a use for emacs-common or the emacs syntax/indent file. Suggests: or Recommends: would be correct. Note that the install error does not occur. I created an ersatz emacs-common using equivs. The install runs without a hitch, and cmake works fine. -josh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
