Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-07-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 03:30:13PM +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
 I think it might be
 http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/debian-desktop/packages/tags/desktop-base/6.0.5/splash/nightly-splash.png
 
 (sorry it seems that inline view is broken there).

Just for reference: that can be fixed by running

svn ps svn:mime-type image/png nightly-splash.png

(or 'svn ps svn:mime-type image/png *png', you get the idea...)

It's currently set to application/octet-stream, which tells a browser
that it's not anything useful, and viewvc uses that information when
serving it to a client.

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-29 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
[ Adding ftpmaster to Cc.  ftpmaster: please check bug log for context ]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:32:05AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 I think I’m going to leave the Debian Project Leader deal with this.
 Stefano, I’ll let you read the bug log . Maybe you’ll want to ask the
 FTP masters too, since they are ultimately responsible for inclusion
 rules.

Ah, dear old can of worms^W^W^W interaction among trademark, FOSS
licenses, and DFSG.

I'm under the impression that we don't have a clear cut policy on
whether DFSG apply to trademark restrictions as well as to software
licenses. I believe it has been judged on a case by case basis by FTP
master. ... but I might be very wrong about this, so I'm getting FTP
masters in the loop for clarification.

The case of the Debian logo which has been mentioned in this bug log is
actually something we are not happy with, because on one hand we want to
protect debian trademark, but on the other we really don't want some of
our official logos to be non-DFSG free (as they currently are). We would
love to have trademark protection *and* a DFSG-free license, but we have
been advised in the past that doing such a re-licensing might pose
danger to the trademark itself.

In that respect, a mutual agreement among Debian and GNOME is not going
to help on the Debian side, given that DFSG §8 is very clear on the fact
that license must not be specific to Debian.

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-29 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:32:05AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 17:44 -0400, Karen Sandler a écrit :
  Ah, I see the confusion here - the logos identified on that page are the
  marks that have been registered, but GNOME, like Debian, has trademark
  rights in logos that it uses even if it hasn't registered them.  And the
  usage policy covers all logos and other marks. Of course, if a mark is not
  covered by a policy or the like granting permission for use then you'd
  have an even more restricted range of things you could do with it.
 
 Thanks for the precision. So, I understand the policy applies to the
 logo in gnome-icon-theme as well.
 
 At the very least it would be appreciated if it was mentioned in the
 gnome-icon-theme package that the LGPL doesn’t actually apply to
 start-here.svg.

The LGPL does apply there. You are free to derive the file to create
something that is not the GNOME mark. Or something that is the GNOME
mark and fulfils the trademark license.

You could also derive anything that is LGPL (or any other free license)
and turn it into a GNOME logo and would still need to comply with GNOME
trademark license. That still wouldn't make the original file that
wasn't the GNOME logo non-LGPL...

That's a bit of a stretch but the point is : copyright and trademark are
two separate aspects, and a trademark license doesn't change the
copyright license.

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-29 Thread Karen Sandler
On Wed, June 29, 2011 4:39 am, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
 [ Adding ftpmaster to Cc.  ftpmaster: please check bug log for context ]

 On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:32:05AM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 I think I’m going to leave the Debian Project Leader deal with this.
 Stefano, I’ll let you read the bug log . Maybe you’ll want to ask
 the
 FTP masters too, since they are ultimately responsible for inclusion
 rules.

 Ah, dear old can of worms^W^W^W interaction among trademark, FOSS
 licenses, and DFSG.

 I'm under the impression that we don't have a clear cut policy on
 whether DFSG apply to trademark restrictions as well as to software
 licenses. I believe it has been judged on a case by case basis by FTP
 master. ... but I might be very wrong about this, so I'm getting FTP
 masters in the loop for clarification.

OK! As you know, it's a tough line to walk - free software projects like
Gnome have adopted permissive trademark policies to allow the software to
be distributed freely while hopefully keeping some trademark protection to
prevent predatory use of the marks.

 The case of the Debian logo which has been mentioned in this bug log is
 actually something we are not happy with, because on one hand we want to
 protect debian trademark, but on the other we really don't want some of
 our official logos to be non-DFSG free (as they currently are). We would
 love to have trademark protection *and* a DFSG-free license, but we have
 been advised in the past that doing such a re-licensing might pose
 danger to the trademark itself.

Exactly! This is the same problem that all truly free software projects
wrestle with, which permissive use guidelines try to address.

 In that respect, a mutual agreement among Debian and GNOME is not going
 to help on the Debian side, given that DFSG §8 is very clear on the fact
 that license must not be specific to Debian.

Actually, what I was saying could work was a license agreement to create a
new mark, but then the establishment of a joint trademark policy that
permitted its use for everyone, as the Gnome guidelines do now. The mark
we're discussing is a new one that uses both Gnome and Debian marks, and
one which could be confusing and weaken both of them if not dealt with
carefully. Honestly, the mark is different enough (but clearly a use of
the Gnome mark) that Gnome will have to evaluate its position on it
anyway. I just wanted to make sure that we were all on the same page, and
that there was no question about the removal of the regular Gnome foot
logo by Debian (as opposed to the new combined mark), which should be fine
to use. The trademark laws are frustrating, but they really are aimed at
making sure that some proprietary software vendor can't come along and put
our logos on its software and confuse users into thinking that it's free
because it's branded to look like us. Trademark is such a pain, but
hopefully in the worst case it won't be too big of a deal to just remove
the new combined mark if we all want to avoid all of this.

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 22:18 +0200, Francesco Poli wrote:
 Hello GNOME foundation licensing team,
 I am a user and contributor of the Debian distribution.
 
 I have a question about the GNOME foot Logo.
 
 The desktop-base Debian package includes an image which is derived
 from the GNOME foot Logo.
 I am currently trying to properly document the copyright and license of
 the GNOME foot Logo, but I wasn't able to find official information.

Information is at:
http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/guidelines/
and
http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/index.html

Did you read the guidelines? What does your combined logo look like?
If the combined work looks like it's merging the GNOME logo with another
logo, it wouldn't be fine to use.

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 10:48 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : 
  The desktop-base Debian package includes an image which is derived
  from the GNOME foot Logo.
  I am currently trying to properly document the copyright and license of
  the GNOME foot Logo, but I wasn't able to find official information.
 
 Information is at:
 http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/guidelines/
 and
 http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/index.html
 
 Did you read the guidelines? What does your combined logo look like?
 If the combined work looks like it's merging the GNOME logo with another
 logo, it wouldn't be fine to use.

It is my impression by reading the guidelines that the foot logo without
the GNOME text (as shipped by gnome-about) isn’t subject to the same
terms as the one with the text (as shipped by gnome-icon-theme). This
would be similar to what we have for the Debian swirl.

So to be more precise, we’d like to know what are the rules (both
trademark and copyright) for the GNOME foot logo without the GNOME text
under it.

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 14:20 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 10:48 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : 
   The desktop-base Debian package includes an image which is derived
   from the GNOME foot Logo.
   I am currently trying to properly document the copyright and license of
   the GNOME foot Logo, but I wasn't able to find official information.
  
  Information is at:
  http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/guidelines/
  and
  http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/index.html
  
  Did you read the guidelines? What does your combined logo look like?
  If the combined work looks like it's merging the GNOME logo with another
  logo, it wouldn't be fine to use.
 
 It is my impression by reading the guidelines that the foot logo without
 the GNOME text (as shipped by gnome-about) isn’t subject to the same
 terms as the one with the text (as shipped by gnome-icon-theme). This
 would be similar to what we have for the Debian swirl.
 
 So to be more precise, we’d like to know what are the rules (both
 trademark and copyright) for the GNOME foot logo without the GNOME text
 under it.

Again, we'd like to see the logo you're referring to.




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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 13:45 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : 
  It is my impression by reading the guidelines that the foot logo without
  the GNOME text (as shipped by gnome-about) isn’t subject to the same
  terms as the one with the text (as shipped by gnome-icon-theme). This
  would be similar to what we have for the Debian swirl.
  
  So to be more precise, we’d like to know what are the rules (both
  trademark and copyright) for the GNOME foot logo without the GNOME text
  under it.
 
 Again, we'd like to see the logo you're referring to.

I think Francesco is talking about things like the logo on
http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/
(I don’t find it in desktop-base though, maybe we ship it in
gnome-icon-theme instead.)

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 15:01 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 13:45 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : 
   It is my impression by reading the guidelines that the foot logo without
   the GNOME text (as shipped by gnome-about) isn’t subject to the same
   terms as the one with the text (as shipped by gnome-icon-theme). This
   would be similar to what we have for the Debian swirl.
   
   So to be more precise, we’d like to know what are the rules (both
   trademark and copyright) for the GNOME foot logo without the GNOME text
   under it.
  
  Again, we'd like to see the logo you're referring to.
 
 I think Francesco is talking about things like the logo on
 http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/
 (I don’t find it in desktop-base though, maybe we ship it in
 gnome-icon-theme instead.)

This sort of thing is absolutely forbidden, as per the licensing rules I
referenced earlier. From
http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/guidelines/:

Do not combine or use a GNOME Trademark with your company's product or
service name or any other term unless you have written permission to do
so. Use of GNOME Trademarks in that sort of way would NOT be a fair use.


I really don't see us making an exception for such a dilution of our
trademark and logo. You can put the 2 logos side-by-side, but it puts
the Debian logo (if it is trademarked) under as much threat as it would
the GNOME one.

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-28 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On mar., 2011-06-28 at 15:01 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 13:45 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : 
   It is my impression by reading the guidelines that the foot logo without
   the GNOME text (as shipped by gnome-about) isn’t subject to the same
   terms as the one with the text (as shipped by gnome-icon-theme). This
   would be similar to what we have for the Debian swirl.
   
   So to be more precise, we’d like to know what are the rules (both
   trademark and copyright) for the GNOME foot logo without the GNOME text
   under it.
  
  Again, we'd like to see the logo you're referring to.
 
 I think Francesco is talking about things like the logo on
 http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/
 (I don’t find it in desktop-base though, maybe we ship it in
 gnome-icon-theme instead.)

I think it might be
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/debian-desktop/packages/tags/desktop-base/6.0.5/splash/nightly-splash.png

(sorry it seems that inline view is broken there).

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 14:18 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : 
  I think Francesco is talking about things like the logo on
  http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/
  (I don’t find it in desktop-base though, maybe we ship it in
  gnome-icon-theme instead.)
 
 This sort of thing is absolutely forbidden, as per the licensing rules I
 referenced earlier. From
 http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/guidelines/:
 
 Do not combine or use a GNOME Trademark with your company's product or
 service name or any other term unless you have written permission to do
 so. Use of GNOME Trademarks in that sort of way would NOT be a fair use.
 
 
 I really don't see us making an exception for such a dilution of our
 trademark and logo. You can put the 2 logos side-by-side, but it puts
 the Debian logo (if it is trademarked) under as much threat as it would
 the GNOME one.

So this means the guidelines also apply to the logo without the “GNOME”
text.

This means we will have to remove any files containing the logo from our
packages, per the Debian guidelines. I’d really like to avoid that since
the impact is far more important than the pair of packages we are
talking about at the moment.

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-28 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 15:58 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 14:18 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : 
   I think Francesco is talking about things like the logo on
   http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/
   (I don’t find it in desktop-base though, maybe we ship it in
   gnome-icon-theme instead.)
  
  This sort of thing is absolutely forbidden, as per the licensing rules I
  referenced earlier. From
  http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/guidelines/:
  
  Do not combine or use a GNOME Trademark with your company's product or
  service name or any other term unless you have written permission to do
  so. Use of GNOME Trademarks in that sort of way would NOT be a fair use.
  
  
  I really don't see us making an exception for such a dilution of our
  trademark and logo. You can put the 2 logos side-by-side, but it puts
  the Debian logo (if it is trademarked) under as much threat as it would
  the GNOME one.
 
 So this means the guidelines also apply to the logo without the “GNOME”
 text.
 
 This means we will have to remove any files containing the logo from our
 packages, per the Debian guidelines. I’d really like to avoid that since
 the impact is far more important than the pair of packages we are
 talking about at the moment.

The GNOME logo, with and without text underneath it, is copyrighted.
It's still unbelievably unclear what exact logo uses you're referring
to.

Combined works like this one:
http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/images/gnome-debian-small-trans.png
are unquestionably wrong. They will need to be removed indeed.

Reworks of the GNOME logo need discussion, both with the lawyers and the
people who worked on the original branding guidelines. This includes
things like this splash screen:
http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/debian-desktop/packages/tags/desktop-base/6.0.5/splash/nightly-splash.png

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 15:06 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit : 
  This means we will have to remove any files containing the logo from our
  packages, per the Debian guidelines. I’d really like to avoid that since
  the impact is far more important than the pair of packages we are
  talking about at the moment.
 
 The GNOME logo, with and without text underneath it, is copyrighted.
 It's still unbelievably unclear what exact logo uses you're referring
 to.

And it is still unbelievably unclear what exact copyright rules apply
for the GNOME logo and what trademark rules apply.

As far as copyright is concerned, gnome-icon-theme mentions all icons
(including the GNOME foot) are dual-licensed under the LGPL v3 and
CC-BY-SA 3.0.
http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-icon-theme/tree/src/start-here.svg

As far as trademark rules are concerned, the rules you mentioned do not
mention any other version of the GNOME logo than the one with the GNOME
text.
http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/

We are talking here about applying the rights that the LGPL grants, on a
logo that is not subject to your trademark rules. So until this
conversation, we naively thought such works were not a problem.

 Combined works like this one:
 http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/images/gnome-debian-small-trans.png
 are unquestionably wrong. They will need to be removed indeed.

If such works are not permitted this means the foot logo without text is
not free software and we will have to remove it from our repositories as
per DFSG#3.

I’d like to have an official stance from the GNOME foundation before
introducing such a drastic, useless and time-consuming change. I’d also
appreciate if we could discuss this kind of issues face-to-face with
specialists because they are obviously too complex to be dealt with by a
pair of emails.

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-28 Thread Karen Sandler
Hi Josselin,

I'm a bit new to GNOME (just started as ED last week), so bear with me. I
do have a legal background though, so hopefully we can get this sorted out
in a quick and friendly way!

On Tue, June 28, 2011 10:31 am, Josselin Mouette wrote:
 Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 15:06 +0100, Bastien Nocera a écrit :
  This means we will have to remove any files containing the logo from
 our
  packages, per the Debian guidelines. I’d really like to avoid that
 since
  the impact is far more important than the pair of packages we are
talking about at the moment.
 The GNOME logo, with and without text underneath it, is copyrighted.
It's still unbelievably unclear what exact logo uses you're referring
to.

 And it is still unbelievably unclear what exact copyright rules apply
for the GNOME logo and what trademark rules apply.

 As far as copyright is concerned, gnome-icon-theme mentions all icons
(including the GNOME foot) are dual-licensed under the LGPL v3 and
CC-BY-SA 3.0.
 http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-icon-theme/tree/src/start-here.svg

 As far as trademark rules are concerned, the rules you mentioned do not
mention any other version of the GNOME logo than the one with the GNOME
text.
 http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/

 We are talking here about applying the rights that the LGPL grants, on a
logo that is not subject to your trademark rules. So until this
 conversation, we naively thought such works were not a problem.

Ah, I see the confusion here - the logos identified on that page are the
marks that have been registered, but GNOME, like Debian, has trademark
rights in logos that it uses even if it hasn't registered them.  And the
usage policy covers all logos and other marks. Of course, if a mark is not
covered by a policy or the like granting permission for use then you'd
have an even more restricted range of things you could do with it.


 Combined works like this one:
 http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/images/gnome-debian-small-trans.png
are unquestionably wrong. They will need to be removed indeed.

 If such works are not permitted this means the foot logo without text is
not free software and we will have to remove it from our repositories as
per DFSG#3.


 I’d like to have an official stance from the GNOME foundation before
introducing such a drastic, useless and time-consuming change. I’d
also
 appreciate if we could discuss this kind of issues face-to-face with
specialists because they are obviously too complex to be dealt with by a
pair of emails.

I don't think your conclusion is right, and I actually bet that if the
tables were turned, Debian would have a problem if GNOME created a mark
like that and started using it. Though I can't tell what Debian's current
policy is, I don't believe either of the trademark policies marked
proposed would allow it. The usage guidelines explicitly permit all of the
uses necessary for the foot logo to be used with free software, and like
all free software trademark policies I'm familiar with, is aimed at
preventing confusing uses. (I also note that the Debian swirl isn't a
registered mark but I believe Debian would expect folks not to use it in a
way that confused people about whether they were getting a Debian distro
or something else.) This use is actually the use of both marks in the
creation of a new mark, which could indeed be very confusing.

That being said, GNOME and Debian are working towards the same goals and
if both organizations agree to that particular use of their marks, they
can permit it and create a license for it, with its own policy which would
prevent it from confusing the marketplace. GNOME will consider this
situation in more detail.

Has Debian considered this in relation to the use of their own mark in a
different and potentially confusing way?

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-28 Thread Josselin Mouette
Hi,

Le mardi 28 juin 2011 à 17:44 -0400, Karen Sandler a écrit :
 Ah, I see the confusion here - the logos identified on that page are the
 marks that have been registered, but GNOME, like Debian, has trademark
 rights in logos that it uses even if it hasn't registered them.  And the
 usage policy covers all logos and other marks. Of course, if a mark is not
 covered by a policy or the like granting permission for use then you'd
 have an even more restricted range of things you could do with it.

Thanks for the precision. So, I understand the policy applies to the
logo in gnome-icon-theme as well.

At the very least it would be appreciated if it was mentioned in the
gnome-icon-theme package that the LGPL doesn’t actually apply to
start-here.svg.

 I don't think your conclusion is right, and I actually bet that if the
 tables were turned, Debian would have a problem if GNOME created a mark
 like that and started using it. Though I can't tell what Debian's current
 policy is, I don't believe either of the trademark policies marked
 proposed would allow it. The usage guidelines explicitly permit all of the
 uses necessary for the foot logo to be used with free software, and like
 all free software trademark policies I'm familiar with, is aimed at
 preventing confusing uses. (I also note that the Debian swirl isn't a
 registered mark but I believe Debian would expect folks not to use it in a
 way that confused people about whether they were getting a Debian distro
 or something else.) This use is actually the use of both marks in the
 creation of a new mark, which could indeed be very confusing.

The Debian logos have different policies depending on the logo:
http://www.debian.org/logos/

We used to deal very badly with our own mark, but now that our policies
have been fixed, the open use logo without the Debian text is clearly
the only one which is compatible with the Debian Free Software
Guidelines, and as such it is the only one we allow in the distribution
itself.

TTBOMK we regularly remove artwork and/or trademarked logos from some of
our packages so that the rules are the same for everyone. It would
probably be best if we could avoid to do that with GNOME.

 That being said, GNOME and Debian are working towards the same goals and
 if both organizations agree to that particular use of their marks, they
 can permit it and create a license for it, with its own policy which would
 prevent it from confusing the marketplace. GNOME will consider this
 situation in more detail.

I think I’m going to leave the Debian Project Leader deal with this.
Stefano, I’ll let you read the bug log . Maybe you’ll want to ask the
FTP masters too, since they are ultimately responsible for inclusion
rules.

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-25 Thread Francesco Poli
Hello GNOME foundation licensing team,
I am a user and contributor of the Debian distribution.

I have a question about the GNOME foot Logo.

The desktop-base Debian package includes an image which is derived
from the GNOME foot Logo.
I am currently trying to properly document the copyright and license of
the GNOME foot Logo, but I wasn't able to find official information.

According to
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Gnomelogo.svgoldid=39892275
the GNOME foot Logo is released under the LGPL v2.1 or later.

However, despite some searches on GNOME official web sites, I was not
able to find any clear copyright notice (with years and copyright
holders) for the Logo, or any clear statement on the copyright license
and license version(s).

Could you please send me the exact copyright notice and permission
notice for the GNOME foot Logo?

Please keep 607...@bugs.debian.org in Cc:, so that your reply is
publicly shown on the Debian bug report.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

All the best.

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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2011-06-25 Thread Francesco Poli
Hello GNOME foundation licensing team,
I am a user and contributor of the Debian distribution.

I have a question about the GNOME foot Logo.

The desktop-base Debian package includes an image which is derived
from the GNOME foot Logo.
I am currently trying to properly document the copyright and license of
the GNOME foot Logo, but I wasn't able to find official information.

According to
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Gnomelogo.svgoldid=39892275
the GNOME foot Logo is released under the LGPL v2.1 or later.

However, despite some searches on GNOME official web sites, I was not
able to find any clear copyright notice (with years and copyright
holders) for the Logo, or any clear statement on the copyright license
and license version(s).

Could you please send me the exact copyright notice and permission
notice for the GNOME foot Logo?

Please keep 607...@bugs.debian.org in Cc:, so that your reply is
publicly shown on the Debian bug report.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

All the best.

-- 
 http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt
 New GnuPG key, see the transition document!
. Francesco Poli .
 GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82  3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE


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Bug#607839: Question about copyright/license of the GNOME foot Logo

2010-12-22 Thread Francesco Poli
Hello GNOME foundation licensing team,
I am a user and contributor of the Debian distribution.

I have a question about the GNOME foot Logo.

The desktop-base Debian package includes an image which is derived
from the GNOME foot Logo.
I am currently trying to properly document the copyright and license of
the GNOME foot Logo, but I wasn't able to find official information.

According to
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Gnomelogo.svgoldid=39892275
the GNOME foot Logo is released under the LGPL v2.1 or later.

However, despite some searches on GNOME official web sites, I was not
able to find any clear copyright notice (with years and copyright
holders) for the Logo, or any clear statement on the copyright license
and license version(s).

Could you please send me the exact copyright notice and permission
notice for the GNOME foot Logo?

Please keep 607...@bugs.debian.org in Cc:, so that your reply is
publicly shown on the Debian bug report.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

All the best.

-- 
 http://www.inventati.org/frx/frx-gpg-key-transition-2010.txt
 New GnuPG key, see the transition document!
. Francesco Poli .
 GnuPG key fpr == CA01 1147 9CD2 EFDF FB82  3925 3E1C 27E1 1F69 BFFE


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