Bug#813010: caja: Shift-Del behaviour is wrong when renaming files
Control: close -1 Control: tags -1 wontfix On Do 28 Jan 2016 21:33:34 CET, Martin Wimpress wrote: I am upstream, the behaviour is intended. You can file a feature request at https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja Regards, Martin. On 28 Jan 2016 15:42, "Dark Penguin" wrote: The next problem is to find the bugtracker for MATE. Unsurprisingly, googling "bugs mate" yield unwanted and graphic results. %) Martin, thanks for commenting on this. As behaviour is intended, I close this bug and tag it with won't fix for now. Mike -- DAS-NETZWERKTEAM mike gabriel, herweg 7, 24357 fleckeby mobile: +49 (1520) 1976 148 landline: +49 (4354) 8390 139 GnuPG Fingerprint: 9BFB AEE8 6C0A A5FF BF22 0782 9AF4 6B30 2577 1B31 mail: mike.gabr...@das-netzwerkteam.de, http://das-netzwerkteam.de pgpJ5Ea2ym91D.pgp Description: Digitale PGP-Signatur
Bug#813010: caja: Shift-Del behaviour is wrong when renaming files
I am upstream, the behaviour is intended. You can file a feature request at https://github.com/mate-desktop/caja Regards, Martin. On 28 Jan 2016 15:42, "Dark Penguin" wrote: > The next problem is to find the bugtracker for MATE. Unsurprisingly, > googling "bugs mate" yield unwanted and graphic results. %) > > > -- > darkpenguin > > ___ > pkg-mate-team mailing list > pkg-mate-t...@lists.alioth.debian.org > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pkg-mate-team >
Bug#813010: caja: Shift-Del behaviour is wrong when renaming files
On 01/28/2016 03:11 PM, Dark Penguin wrote: > When renaming files in Caja, pressing Shift+Del does not "cut the name"; > instead, it works as if you wanted to "permanently delete" the file. > Ctrl+X works as expected, however. Meh, you people are really nitpicky. I would have expected that Shift+Del will actually delete the file, not cut the text here. > This buggy behaviour is present in Caja 1.8.2 in the current Jessie, but > not in Caja 1.8.2 in LMDE2. I think it's arguable whether this is a bug or not. But in any case, this is up to the MATE upstream developers what the expected behavior of Shift+Del is in this case. In fact, you should not test any other Linux distribution, but download caja in source from the upstream website, compile it yourself and test how the vanilla version behaves. If the upstream version behaves as the Debian package, it's an upstream bug. If not, they probably changed behavior upstream and caja just needs to be updated in Debian. I highly doubt that someone intentionally changed this behavior in Debian. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Bug#813010: caja: Shift-Del behaviour is wrong when renaming files
The next problem is to find the bugtracker for MATE. Unsurprisingly, googling "bugs mate" yield unwanted and graphic results. %) -- darkpenguin
Bug#813010: caja: Shift-Del behaviour is wrong when renaming files
And, no, it's not only up to the developers to figure what causes the bug. Both Mate and Debian are community-driven, so if you find a bug you would like to get fixed as a user, you should help developers with some testing which helps locate the issue. The more information you provide, the faster can others fix your problem. Remember, many people here don't get paid for fixing these things, so they might as well say that they don't care about a bug if it takes too much effort to debug and fix it. Yes, I know; and I absolutely agree - when reporting a bug, I make sure to test everything I can think of that I would do if I was the project developer. Actually, I like fixing UI problems myself, and I would do it if I could, but I'm not yet good enough to deal with things like this... What I meant is, "it's there in Debian, it's not there in Mint; the only people who can find out exactly where it all went wrong is the Debian people". Also, the bug report page for Debian said something like, "if you're unsure, don't send the report upstream; maybe it's only there in Debian - we'll direct it upstream if we have to". > Could you please test caja upstream and report back? Linux Mint is > not upstream, the MATE project is. > > And if it turns out that the bug is still present upstream, then > you're barking up the wrong tree as Debian just packages most > upstream software, we don't develop it. > > Also, if turns out to be an upstream bug, then you should yell at the > Linux Mint people to fix it. I'm extremely sorry, but it seems that I've provided some wrong information. I've just tested it again. The bug IS there in Linux Mint Debian Edition 2; however, it is NOT there in Linux Mint 17.3 . (I mixed up different Mint distros.) So the problem is upstream, anyway, and it's not with Caja - it's with something else that's different between Debian and Ubuntu. -- darkpenguin
Bug#813010: caja: Shift-Del behaviour is wrong when renaming files
On Jan 28, 2016, at 4:17 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > > Also, if turns out to be an upstream bug, then you should yell at the Linux > Mint people to fix it. Oops, I meant to say "yell at them for not upstreaming their fix". In any case, my point is, this is free software developed by the community. So you should help as much as possible fixing the issue. Adrian
Bug#813010: caja: Shift-Del behaviour is wrong when renaming files
> It may be that Mint "fixed" this already, but I think it's been more than a > year already - why is it still not in Debian?! So I think it's a problem with > something other than Caja itself - some Debian-specific hotkey-snatching > subsystems or something. Maybe this problem was never even there in Mint. > Either way, it's up to the developers to find out why is there a problem with > Debian, but not with Mint. Could you please test caja upstream and report back? Linux Mint is not upstream, the MATE project is. And if it turns out that the bug is still present upstream, then you're barking up the wrong tree as Debian just packages most upstream software, we don't develop it. Also, if turns out to be an upstream bug, then you should yell at the Linux Mint people to fix it. And, no, it's not only up to the developers to figure what causes the bug. Both Mate and Debian are community-driven, so if you find a bug you would like to get fixed as a user, you should help developers with some testing which helps locate the issue. The more information you provide, the faster can others fix your problem. Remember, many people here don't get paid for fixing these things, so they might as well say that they don't care about a bug if it takes too much effort to debug and fix it. Adrian
Bug#813010: caja: Shift-Del behaviour is wrong when renaming files
When renaming files in Caja, pressing Shift+Del does not "cut the name"; instead, it works as if you wanted to "permanently delete" the file. Ctrl+X works as expected, however. Meh, you people are really nitpicky. I would have expected that Shift+Del will actually delete the file, not cut the text here. I find Shift+Del for Cut and Shift+Ins for Paste much more convenient to use, and I use those shortcuts all the time. When that does not work as expected, it is very uncomfortable... But yes, I'm as nitpicky as one can get about "user interface should be as polished and comfortable as possible", because it directly influences the user's experience. I think it is very important. But usually people are too lazy to file bugs about such minor things, which is why we have a lot of amazing software with UI so buggy that no wonder people prefer proprietary software sometimes... =/ > I think it's arguable whether this is a bug or not. But in any case, When I am in the process of editing a file name, the "text edition shortcut" should obviously be a priority - it should cut selected text. Why would I even want to rename a file before Shift-Deleting it?!.. Even if I did, I'd just press Escape to cancel or Enter to confirm, and then delete the file. this is up to the MATE upstream developers what the expected behavior of Shift+Del is in this case. In fact, you should not test any other Linux distribution, but download caja in source from the upstream website, compile it yourself and test how the vanilla version behaves. If the upstream version behaves as the Debian package, it's an upstream bug. If not, they probably changed behavior upstream and caja just needs to be updated in Debian. I highly doubt that someone intentionally changed this behavior in Debian. I believe Linux Mint is as vanilla as it gets with MATE. And their version works correctly, so they think this behaviour is not expected. It may be that Mint "fixed" this already, but I think it's been more than a year already - why is it still not in Debian?! So I think it's a problem with something other than Caja itself - some Debian-specific hotkey-snatching subsystems or something. Maybe this problem was never even there in Mint. Either way, it's up to the developers to find out why is there a problem with Debian, but not with Mint. -- darkpenguin
Bug#813010: caja: Shift-Del behaviour is wrong when renaming files
Package: caja Version: 1.8.2-3+deb8u1 Severity: normal Dear Maintainer, When renaming files in Caja, pressing Shift+Del does not "cut the name"; instead, it works as if you wanted to "permanently delete" the file. Ctrl+X works as expected, however. To reproduce: - Press F2 on any file to rename it - Press Shift+Del to cut the highlighted part of the name Expected behaviour: - It cuts the highlighted part of the file name. Observed behaviour: - Renaming stops, and a confirmation dialog appears: "Are you sure you want to permanently delete this file?" This buggy behaviour is present in Caja 1.8.2 in the current Jessie, but not in Caja 1.8.2 in LMDE2. -- darkpenguin
