Bug#666647: Still cannot use LaTeX with cyrillic symbols
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 01:43:17AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: * these fonts have unclear license status. It is not clear whether taking the various glyphs from various sides and adding some things and sticking it together is fine. Technical issues aside, I'd like to ask everybody not to make any calims like this one. The fonts are absolutely legal in their current form. I mean both copyright and trademark. With respect to the copyright the situation is clear because the original fonts were GPL-licensed. With respect to the trademarks years ago I was given legal advise. Anton Zinoviev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#666647: Still cannot use LaTeX with cyrillic symbols
[added debian-tex-maint@ldo to Cc] On Sat, 2012-07-14 at 14:54 +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: When the maintainter created this package many years ago (that was me) there was no such conflict and the font names of the package were compliant with the font name guidelines used by the TeX community. http://tug.org/fontname/html/ As far as I know, at that time no TeX font conflicted with these names and in particular no Debian package shipped fonts with conflicting font names. A long time passed since then. I no longer feel myself competent to either assess properly the present conflict or to be sure I am implementing the right solution. Dropping scalable-cyrfonts-tex is not something desirable. This package provides several styles whose effect (I think) is not achievable without this package. I mean styles such as cyrtimes, cyrbookman, cyrnewcent, cyrpalatino, teams. TeX maintainers - any comments / thoughts? Regards, Adam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#666647: Still cannot use LaTeX with cyrillic symbols
Dear all,
Dear Karl,
@all: I include Karl Berry, maintainer of the fontname standard, head
of the TeX Live team, etc etc etc
@Karl: I think you remebered that I contacted you some time ago about
the problem with scalable-cyrfonts shipping fpl fonts conflicting
with fonts in TeX Live.
Here are my remarks, Karl, if you have additions of corrections,
feel free, but keep everyone in Cc.
* the fonts have not been uploaded to the CTAN (Comprehensive TeX
Archive Network), which is the main distribution center for all
TeX related things.
* the package is open for adoption since 2010, that is close to two
years
* these fonts have unclear license status. It is not clear whether
taking the various glyphs from various sides and adding some things
and sticking it together is fine.
* the fpl fonts as available on CTAN and shipped in TeX Live are there
since 2004
Honestly, I don't see any reason to create problems for users of
TeX due to fonts that are not visible to the outside work, that have
never been uploaded, publicized in any proper forum related to TeX,
and are not maintained anymore.
On So, 22 Jul 2012, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
On Sat, 2012-07-14 at 14:54 +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote:
When the maintainter created this package many years ago (that was me)
there was no such conflict and the font names of the package were
compliant with the font name guidelines used by the TeX community.
http://tug.org/fontname/html/
As far as I know, at that time no TeX font conflicted with these names
and in particular no Debian package shipped fonts with conflicting font
names.
A long time passed since then. I no longer feel myself competent to
either assess properly the present conflict or to be sure I am
implementing the right solution.
Dropping scalable-cyrfonts-tex is not something desirable. This package
provides several styles whose effect (I think) is not achievable without
this package. I mean styles such as cyrtimes, cyrbookman, cyrnewcent,
cyrpalatino, teams.
TeX maintainers - any comments / thoughts?
Best wishes
Norbert
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Bug#666647: Still cannot use LaTeX with cyrillic symbols
FWIW, I agree with Norbert's analysis regarding cyrfonts and have nothing to add ... k -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#666647: Still cannot use LaTeX with cyrillic symbols
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 12:16:32AM +0200, Francesco Poli wrote: Both of the current RC bugs against scalable-cyrfonts seem to be related to the -tex binary package. If the binary package isn't needed any more (as the above suggests), maybe it should just be dropped? Maybe... I am not sure, though. Anyway, I am just a (former) user: let's wait for the package maintainer's reply... The maintainer listens, but he doesn't know what to reply... When the maintainter created this package many years ago (that was me) there was no such conflict and the font names of the package were compliant with the font name guidelines used by the TeX community. http://tug.org/fontname/html/ As far as I know, at that time no TeX font conflicted with these names and in particular no Debian package shipped fonts with conflicting font names. A long time passed since then. I no longer feel myself competent to either assess properly the present conflict or to be sure I am implementing the right solution. Dropping scalable-cyrfonts-tex is not something desirable. This package provides several styles whose effect (I think) is not achievable without this package. I mean styles such as cyrtimes, cyrbookman, cyrnewcent, cyrpalatino, teams. Anton Zinoviev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
