Re: Checksum file location question

2021-02-01 Thread Rick Thomas
The list of "recent" GPG keys on that page stops at 2016.  Maybe somebody
could update that to cover 2020/21 ?

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 3:15 AM Richard Owlett  wrote:

> On 01/27/2021 07:32 PM, H Kyu wrote:
> > Where can I find the file that shows a list of checksums for ISO Debian
> > images?  Thanks!
>
> You will not find *ALL* checksums for ISO images at a single URL.
> To find checksum of interest start at
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/
> select architecture of interest (e.g. for amd64)
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/
> select distribution format (e.g. iso-dvd)
> https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
> at bottom of page pick your preferred checksum,
>
> Footnote:
> This information should really be accessible from
> https://www.debian.org/CD/verify
>
>
>
>
>


Re: Links to buster release notes don't work

2018-07-25 Thread Rick Thomas


So it’s deliberate, I guess.

Is there a current draft of the work-in-progress that I could look at?

Thanks,
Rick

On Jul 24, 2018, at 7:50 PM, Showfom  wrote:

> Hello Rick,
> 
>>> This is a work-in-progress version of the Release Notes for Debian 10, 
>>> codename buster, which isn't released yet
> 
> So no information on releasenotes
> 
> Buster will be released on 2019 and these pages will be updated then.
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:07 AM Rick Thomas  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On webpage
>>https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/releasenotes
>> There are a bunch of links that are claimed to be for draft release notes 
>> for Buster.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, all of them wind up at “Page not found”.
>> 
>> Is this deliberate?  Or is it possibly a result of some recent change of 
>> servers, or the like?
>> 
>> I would submit a bug report if I knew what package name to use for it.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards,
> @Showfom
> 



Links to buster release notes don't work

2018-07-24 Thread Rick Thomas


On webpage
https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/releasenotes
There are a bunch of links that are claimed to be for draft release notes for 
Buster.

Unfortunately, all of them wind up at “Page not found”.

Is this deliberate?  Or is it possibly a result of some recent change of 
servers, or the like?

I would submit a bug report if I knew what package name to use for it.

Thanks!
Rick


Bug#896638: debian-cd: Unable to build CD image with unsigned repository

2018-04-22 Thread Rick Thomas

On Apr 22, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Vagrant Cascadian  wrote:

> Package: debian-cd
> Severity: normal
> Tags: patch
> Control: block 879642 by -1
> 
> With recent changes to apt requiring signed repositories, simple-cdd is
> unable to build an image, as it dynamically generates an unsigned apt
> repository.
> 
> A patch below adds an option to apt to allow insecure repositories when
> ARCHIVE_UNSIGNED=1. An alternate approach would be to add [trusted=yes]
> on each of the sources.list entries.
> 
> I'm fairly sure this won't impact other parts of the build process, but
> not 100% sure.
> 
> live well,
>  vagrant
> 
> commit 9bbd627c7ff5abe006a3596d5d8a2cd8e24758ba
> Author: Vagrant Cascadian 
> Date:   Sun Apr 22 13:28:14 2018 -0700
> 
>Add boolean variable ARCHIVE_UNSIGNED, which configures apt to allow
>insecure repositories.
> 
>In general, use of this option should be avoided, but is useful when
>using a custom dynamically generated local repository, where a signed
>repository wouldn't necessarily add much in the way of security.
> 
> diff --git a/tools/apt-selection b/tools/apt-selection
> index 209e0c5..274e546 100755
> --- a/tools/apt-selection
> +++ b/tools/apt-selection
> @@ -44,6 +44,10 @@ options=" -q -o 
> Dir::State::status=$APTTMP/$THIS_PKGSET/status \
> -o APT::Architectures::=$ARCH \
> -o Acquire::Languages=none"
> 
> +if [ "$ARCHIVE_UNSIGNED"x = "1"x ]; then
> +options="$options -o Acquire::AllowInsecureRepositories=true"
> +fi
> +
> sections=main
> if [ "${NONFREE:-0}" != "0" ] || [ "${EXTRANONFREE:-0}" != "0" ] || [ 
> "${FORCE_FIRMWARE:-0}" != "0" ]; then
>   sections="$sections non-free"
> 

Maybe I’m misunderstanding how this works, but wouldn’t it be better to 
restrict the allowing to the particular repository we need it for, rather than 
allowing it for all repos.  I.e. Isn’t vagrant’s alternative solution a bit 
more secure?

Just my two cents…  trying to be helpful.
Rick


Re: have a mate-desktop CD was Re: magnet links and pushing them to meta-search engines.

2018-03-16 Thread Rick Thomas

On Mar 16, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Steve McIntyre  wrote:

>> Lastly, would it be possible to have a mate-desktop CD apart from the
>> xfce one. While choice of desktop environment is certainly a personal
>> choice,  I feel it's a good lightweight yet at the same time fully
>> functional desktop environment. It isn't bloated as GNOME has become
>> but still tries to be true to the gtk+ philosophy.
> 
> I *really* don't want to go down the route of multiple CD variants
> again. The xfce CD was already a concession here...

Hi Steve,

I’m asking from total ignorance, so forgive me if my question doesn’t make 
sense…

Is there a relatively simple way a normal Debian user (without special 
developer skills or access to special developer resources) can create a Debian 
Live CD/DVD/BD/USB-stick with their choice of packages?  The goal here would be 
for Sirish (and me too, for that matter) to be able to create our own Debian 
Live mate-desktop.  Generalizing a little bit: One could create a bootable Live 
USB-stick with a custom set of utilities (e.g. for network 
installation/testing/debugging).

Is that possible?

Thanks,
Rick




Re: Blueray Disk image

2018-01-11 Thread Rick Thomas
Hi Thomas!

I just tried it with the current amd64 live Debian 9.3 DVD.  It seems that
jigdo-lite is not available without first doing
apt-get update && apt-get install jigdo-file

Hope that helps!
Rick

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 7:46 AM, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Luca Biella wrote:
> > I thought Jigdo for windows where obsolete.
>
> I have no experience about how fast bit rot invalidates an MS-Windows
> binary. It would be interesting to know whether it still works and
> whether it can build the BD sized images.
>
>
> > I will try the Debian live hint on my home PC.
>
> If the command "jido-lite" is not available by default, then please report
> together with the exact Live ISO image name.
> We could then ask "debian-live" to include it in future releases.
>
>
> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>


Re: broken CD download links?

2017-08-06 Thread Rick Thomas
Why not make it bigger?  Nowadays it makes more sense to install from an
8GB USB-stick than a 4GB DVD.
Jus thinkin'
Rick

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 8:14 AM, Steve McIntyre  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 03, 2017 at 06:27:25PM +0200, Matija Nalis wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >at least on https://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/
> >under "DVD", "multi-arch" link leads to:
> >https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/bt-dvd/
> >
> >which is broken (404 Not found)
> >
> >multi-arch DVD seems to be missing on other pages too (jigdo, direct
> DL...)
> >multi-arch CD seems to be there OK.
> >
> >Could multi-arch DVD still be downloaded for current Debian Stable?
> >Or, if it no longer exists, perhaps links should be removed (or made to
> >point to explanation)
>
> We dropped the m-a DVD for the stretch release, as it's just not big
> enough to contain a useful desktop for both architectures.
>
> Thanks for the report, I'll get the links removed.
>
> --
> Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.
> st...@einval.com
> "Since phone messaging became popular, the young generation has lost the
>  ability to read or write anything that is longer than one hundred and
> sixty
>  characters."  -- Ignatios Souvatzis
>
>


Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

2017-07-04 Thread Rick Thomas

On Jul 3, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Steve McIntyre  wrote:

> arm64
> live images are on my todo list already for the buster cycle.

Great!  Will they work with RaspberryPi-3?

Rick



Re: IMPORTANT: Do live Debian images have a future?

2017-06-26 Thread Rick Thomas
I'm a user and a tester, not a dev, and I know nothing (and don't want to
know anything)
about the personal politics between Debian developers.  So that's all I'll
say on that subject.

To Steve's original point:

First, a big THANK YOU! to Steve for taking this job on.  I, for one, an
grateful.

I use Debian a lot, but I'm only an occasional user of the Debian Live
images.
 But when I need them, I need them. And when I need them, I want them to
just work.
If having them there and working when I need them means I have to add them
to my
list of things to test and report on, I'm willing to make that investment.

Please add me to your "testers" list.

Thank you,
Rick


PS: On a related topic:  What I think would be really cool, would be Debian
Live images
for some of the ARM architectures.  Something I could dd to a USB stick and
boot
right away when I get a new box in for testing.  Even cooler would be the
ability
to use that self-same live image to install Debian after the testing phase
was over.



> On 27 June 2017 at 00:08, Steve McIntyre  wrote:
>
>> [ Note the cross-posting... ]
>>
>>
>> If our live images are going to be good enough to meet the standards
>> that Debian users deserve and expect, we need *consistent*,
>> *sustained* involvement from a lot more people. Please tell me if
>> you're going to help. If we don't see a radical improvement soon, I'll
>> simply disable building live images altogether to remove the false
>> promises they're making.
>>
>> [1] https://get.debian.org/images/release/current-live/amd64/iso
>> -hybrid/#issues
>>
>> --
>> Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.
>> st...@einval.com
>> "...In the UNIX world, people tend to interpret `non-technical user'
>>  as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver." -- Daniel
>> Pead
>>
>
>


Re: CD Debian Lenny

2015-10-22 Thread Rick Thomas
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Narcis Garcia 
wrote:

> If anyone has read specs, then has seen that that computer has a CD
> reader, (not DVD).
>
>
Ahhh... That explains a lot!

Art, You need to get and burn a "netinst" CD from
http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/7.9.0/powerpc/iso-cd/
*not* the DVD that I originally pointed you to.

And yes, *do* use your MacOS-X machine for the download and burning.  It's
*way* easier than any of the Linux burning software!

Enjoy!
Rick


Re: CD Debian Lenny

2015-10-20 Thread Rick Thomas
Hi Art,

I doubt you can buy a Lenny DVD these days.  Your best bet is to find a
friend with a working DVD burner.

After you've got a bootable DVD, take a look at the documentation that
Narcis Garcia linked to in his reply.  Installing on a PowerPC machine is
not different in any important way from installing on an x86 or amd64
machine, but it helps to read the docs in any case...

Hope that helps!
Rick

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 1:52 AM, Art Grandi  wrote:

> Hi Rick!
>
> Thanks for your Quick answer. Yes it is a G3 and it is the one model Apple
> made impossible to boot with anyother mac OS version than the exact version
> that came originnally with it.
>
> I thought lenny would be also a Little lighter than modwern versions, as
> it is an o´lder computer with just 526 MB RAM.
>
> I have lost much time the last 2 months trying to burn DVDs from different
> versions of Linux  -Debian, Mint, Ubuntu and Fedora with an external USB
> DVD. In the past I Always burned from my Windows machine  which has an
> internal burner, but now I want to become independent of windows.
>
> The Jessie version a I tried 8,01 started to install but when i made some
> mistake informing hostname it failed and tjhe mac Went dead.
>
> So now I want to try lenny on the dead mac, via yaboot which i iam trying
> to learn. I have downloaded Lenny jigdo from my Linux machine and got
> positive information from the jigdo that the files were good. I can click
> on the DVD´s Icon  and see the folders and files  in them.
>
> Tried to burn them from many combinations of Linux and burners, both
> graphic and command line without success.  I Think it must have been an
> unlucky combination of problems as Xfburn refuses in all my Linux version
> to recognize   media in my external DVD, although ´computer can
> browse through the DVDs. Brasero could in some versions burn Lennyu to the
> DVDs, but the result was a "bin" file EVEN when i choosed "Iso9660" as the
> file type in the Brasero option.
>
> It is therefore I decided to try and buy DVDs of Lenny if that will allow
> me  more time to deal with the problems in installing to the ibook.
>
> If it is not possible to get the DVDs maaybe you can tip me some Place to
> look for help.
>
> THanks again, and have a nice day,
>
> Art Grandi
>
> 2015-10-19 5:23 GMT+02:00 Rick Thomas :
>
>> Hi Art,
>>
>> Is there any reason you need specifically Lenny?  Current Debian for
>> PowerPC is Jessie, which is a couple of generations beyond Lenny.
>>
>> Is it that your processor is a G3, not G4?  I don't know if the more
>> recent Debian versions support G3 any more, but that would be a good reason
>> for using Lenny.
>>
>> In any case, the DVD iso for Lenny for PowerPC is downloadable for free at
>>
>> http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/7.9.0/powerpc/iso-dvd/
>>
>> Feel free to ask at debian-powe...@lists.debian.org if there is anything
>> else I or others can do to help.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Art Grandi  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I would like to acquire a DVD version of  Debian Lenny, in order to try
>>> recovering an ibook G3 Dual (M6497).
>>>
>>> CAn you help me in any way?  Do you know of any other Linux version that
>>> might fit this computer, which you would recommend ?
>>>
>>> I intend to use this machine on the road, mostly  for writing documents
>>> and emails, and editing simple recordings of my guitar.
>>>
>>> nice day for all of you that do such a nice work to help people around
>>> the world,
>>>
>>> art grandi
>>>
>>
>>
>


Re: CD Debian Lenny

2015-10-18 Thread Rick Thomas
Hi Art,

Is there any reason you need specifically Lenny?  Current Debian for
PowerPC is Jessie, which is a couple of generations beyond Lenny.

Is it that your processor is a G3, not G4?  I don't know if the more recent
Debian versions support G3 any more, but that would be a good reason for
using Lenny.

In any case, the DVD iso for Lenny for PowerPC is downloadable for free at
http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/7.9.0/powerpc/iso-dvd/

Feel free to ask at debian-powe...@lists.debian.org if there is anything
else I or others can do to help.

Rick


On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Art Grandi  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I would like to acquire a DVD version of  Debian Lenny, in order to try
> recovering an ibook G3 Dual (M6497).
>
> CAn you help me in any way?  Do you know of any other Linux version that
> might fit this computer, which you would recommend ?
>
> I intend to use this machine on the road, mostly  for writing documents
> and emails, and editing simple recordings of my guitar.
>
> nice day for all of you that do such a nice work to help people around the
> world,
>
> art grandi
>


Re: What would it take to establish a mirror of cdimage.debian.org in North America?

2012-10-27 Thread Rick Thomas

Thanks Philip, for the thoughtful reply.

Of course, jigdo is the "correct" way to do it.  But jigdo is complex  
to use (I've done it, but I couldn't explain it to my nephew when he  
wanted to do it.) And jigdo outputs to standard-out lots of minimally  
informative stuff while it's working, unless you shut it up, then it's  
*too* quiet...


Perhaps the right thing to do here is to go to work on Steve  
McIntyre's fuse thingie and get it ready for prime-time.


Steve?  Is it in a shape that somebody could look at it?

Rick

On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:49 AM, Philip Hands wrote:


Hi Rick,

Rick Thomas  writes:
Fetching a DVD image across the North Atlantic takes a long time --  
5-7 hours.


And the bit-torrent seeders don't provide the beta images, let alone
the daily or weekly images.


This is not the answer to the question asked, but if you're  
downloading

a daily image over HTTP or FTP then you're almost certainly doing it
wrong.

If you regularly play with these images then you've probably got a
fairly recent one laying around, in which case you could use rsync  
for a

much faster download, but if you want to be kind to cdimage.debian.org
the right thing to do is use jigdo, which will pull almost all of the
image from your nearest mirror, in form of packages, and then assemble
them into the image locally.  If you have an old DVD image, you can
mount that and offer it to jigdo as a source of packages, saving even
more bandwidth.


So... are there any volunteers out there to provide a mirror of
cdimage.debian.org/cdimage on this side of the pond?  How big a
machine would it require?  How much bandwidth?


That said, I'd imagine that a US-ian mirror would be helpful to people
that cannot be bothered to work out how to do the right thing.

It is possible that one could be smarter than simply mirroring the  
whole

lot, since for some of the images it may be that you find that nobody
ever tries to download them from you, so the act of mirroring them  
would

simply add load to cdimage.debian.org.

Steve McIntyre proposed a while ago (and I think did some work on) a
FUSE file system that would take jigdo files and a local mirror, and
provide the illusion of a cdimage mirror without needing the images
locally.  If you could implement that then any mirror willing to run
that FUSE filesystem could provide the content you're looking to  
mirror,
without consuming the bandwidth or disk space required to really do  
that.


Cheers, Phil.
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What would it take to establish a mirror of cdimage.debian.org in North America?

2012-10-27 Thread Rick Thomas
Fetching a DVD image across the North Atlantic takes a long time -- 5-7 hours.

And the bit-torrent seeders don't provide the beta images, let alone
the daily or weekly images.

So... are there any volunteers out there to provide a mirror of
cdimage.debian.org/cdimage on this side of the pond?  How big a
machine would it require?  How much bandwidth?

Thanks!

Rick


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Bug#686471: testing report [Re: Bug#686471: cdimage.debian.org: Please made DVD-1 image small enough to fit on a 4GB USB stick]

2012-09-06 Thread Rick Thomas


On Sep 2, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:



On Sep 2, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:


tags 686471 pending
thanks

On Sun, Sep 02, 2012 at 02:37:08PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:


On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:31 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

I've not done anything like isohybrid for ppc at all; I've no  
idea if

it's even possible...


It may not be strictly necessary.  See my recent email with subject
"Detailed notes: How to boot and install Debian from a USB stick  
on a
PowerPC Mac" that I sent to the debian-powerpc list.  I have used  
the
"businesscard", "netinst", "CD-1" and "DVD-1" iso's successfully  
with

that procedure to install Debian wheezy on PowerPC Macintoshes from
USB sticks.  For the DVD-1 I needed an 8GB stick, of course.


Ah, OK. Lovely. :-)

I'll tweak sizes now for you... Done. Tomorrow's weekly build will  
get

a 4GB DVD#1, and the same should filter through to wheezy d-i beta
2. Please confirm if it works ok for you!


4GB sticks are now selling for US$3.00 a piece.


Oh, yes. :-)


Thanks!  I'll give it a try on Tuesday if I can.  Enjoy!

Rick


Hi Steve!

Well, it wasn't Tuesday. More like Thursday, but I did manage to get  
to it today.  Here's my report...


I downloaded both the amd64 and powerpc weekly DVD-1 iso's from  
9/3/2012 and copied each to a 4 GB USB flash thumb-drive, using "dd".   
Each booted as expected and ran the install process thru partitioning,  
telling it *not* to use a mirror (wanting to make sure the smaller  
DVD-1 installer wasn't missing anything important), then, finally,  
running task selection and finishing the installation.  I installed a  
standard desktop environment: gnome on the powerpc, and xfce on the  
amd64.


When it came time to write the boot-loader, they both showed symptoms  
of bug #684265 -- not able to find existing OS's and make entries for  
them in the bootloader config file.


Fortunately, the amd64 grub boot loader creation script did some self- 
checking, and noticed that there was only one OS in the setup it was  
about to write.  It asked me if I wanted to write a MBR that I'd only  
have to re-do later to pick up the other OS's (if any).  I decided to  
see if there were other options and answered "no".  It then asked if I  
wanted to write the boot block to the partition I was installing to.   
I said "yes" but that failed for some reason (I don't remember the  
error message, and I don't think it was helpful even if I could  
remember.)  So then I tried using lilo to a second USB stick.  That  
worked and booted fine.  If I booted without the USB stick, it booted  
to the previous default OS.  "Cool!" that there's a workaround, but  
"Uncool!" that it's so roundabout!  I'll be happy to supply the syslog  
file if you want to take a look.


The powerpc yaboot boot loader creation script isn't so intelligent.   
It didn't check, and therefor didn't recognize there was a problem, so  
it went blithely ahead and created a one-entry yaboot configuration,  
which I had to repair manually after rebooting.  Once again, I have  
the syslog file from this installation and I'll be happy to supply it  
if you want to take a look.


If you can point me at which package I should post a wishlist bug to,  
I'd love to have the yaboot bootloader creation script be as smart as  
the one for grub about "Hey! There's only one OS here."


With the above-described workarounds, all went well with the post- 
installation reboots.  The respective desktop environments seem  
complete and fully-functional.


Thanks!

Rick

PS:  Is anybody working on bug #684265?  It would be a shame if it got  
into beta2...



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Bug#686471: cdimage.debian.org: Please made DVD-1 image small enough to fit on a 4GB USB stick

2012-09-02 Thread Rick Thomas


On Sep 2, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:


tags 686471 pending
thanks

On Sun, Sep 02, 2012 at 02:37:08PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:


On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:31 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

I've not done anything like isohybrid for ppc at all; I've no idea  
if

it's even possible...


It may not be strictly necessary.  See my recent email with subject
"Detailed notes: How to boot and install Debian from a USB stick on a
PowerPC Mac" that I sent to the debian-powerpc list.  I have used the
"businesscard", "netinst", "CD-1" and "DVD-1" isos successfully with
that procedure to install Debian wheezy on PowerPC Macintoshes from
USB sticks.  For the DVD-1 I needed an 8GB stick, of course.


Ah, OK. Lovely. :-)

I'll tweak sizes now for you... Done. Tomorrow's weekly build will get
a 4GB DVD#1, and the same should filter through to wheezy d-i beta
2. Please confirm if it works ok for you!


4GB sticks are now selling for US$3.00 a piece.


Oh, yes. :-)


Thanks!  I'll give it a try on Tuesday if I can.  Enjoy!

Rick


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Bug#686471: cdimage.debian.org: Please made DVD-1 image small enough to fit on a 4GB USB stick

2012-09-02 Thread Rick Thomas


On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:31 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:


I've not done anything like isohybrid for ppc at all; I've no idea if
it's even possible...


It may not be strictly necessary.  See my recent email with subject  
"Detailed notes: How to boot and install Debian from a USB stick on a  
PowerPC Mac" that I sent to the debian-powerpc list.  I have used the  
"businesscard", "netinst", "CD-1" and "DVD-1" isos successfully with  
that procedure to install Debian wheezy on PowerPC Macintoshes from  
USB sticks.  For the DVD-1 I needed an 8GB stick, of course.


4GB sticks are now selling for US$3.00 a piece.

Enjoy!

Rick


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Bug#686471: cdimage.debian.org: Please made DVD-1 image small enough to fit on a 4GB USB stick

2012-09-02 Thread Rick Thomas


On Sep 1, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:


Ummm. We've been doing this for ages for amd64 and i386 so that
they'll work in isohybrid mode from USB. Have you tried to use one of
the current images?


Ahhh Sorry,

I didn't catch your meaning the first time.  I'll try the Beta1 DVD-1  
for amd64 and let you know how it turns out!


Thanks!

Rick


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Bug#686471: cdimage.debian.org: Please made DVD-1 image small enough to fit on a 4GB USB stick

2012-09-01 Thread Rick Thomas

On 09/01/12 18:02, Steve McIntyre wrote:

On Sat, Sep 01, 2012 at 05:55:54PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:

Package: cdimage.debian.org
Severity: wishlist
Tags: d-i

It would be nice if the DVD-1 iso image were just a bit smaller, so it would fit
onto a 4 GB USB flash drive.

I'm presonally interested in seeing this happen for PowerPC architecture,
but I'd even be happy if it only happened for the x86/amd64 architecure
if that's the best we can do in the Wheezy timeframe.

Ummm. We've been doing this for ages for amd64 and i386 so that
they'll work in isohybrid mode from USB. Have you tried to use one of
the current images?

I tried it with the PowerPC Wheezy Beta-1 DVD-1.  Is that recent 
enough?  It claims to be 4.4 GB, the same size as the DVD-2 from the 
same series.


Rick


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Bug#678066: Proposal to simplify PowerPC CD/DVD boot options

2012-09-01 Thread Rick Thomas

On 08/30/12 06:57, Milan Kupcevic wrote:

On 08/30/2012 03:00 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:


Regardless, I'm trying to write a comprehensive set of notes on booting
Apple PowerMacs from USB drives, and it would be nice to have this part
fully documented.

Is there something I can tell people to do at the OF prompt that will
load and run the stage-one boot loader?

I was not able to figure out how to do it from OF. Apple machines are
looking for the blessed file if 'C' key is held pressed during the
machine start-up. It is the "official" manufacturer prescribed way to
boot a Mac from a CD/DVD.


I tried
boot usb0/disk@1:2.\\:tbxi

This appears to load the stage-one boot loader, but unfortunately, the 
stage-one is apparently looking for a physical CD and gives up when it 
doesn't find one.  I suppose I could change the "cd" devalias to point 
to the USB stick, but that might have unknown ramifications later on 
that would be messy when you want to boot from the physical CD-ROM.


I guess I'll just warn folks that they need to use "install32" if they 
don't have a G5 machine.


Enjoy!

Rick

PS: As you say, what I'm trying to do is only partially supported by 
Apple, and doing unsupported stuff may have unpredictable results.  It's 
probably best to leave well-enough alone.



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Bug#686471: cdimage.debian.org: Please made DVD-1 image small enough to fit on a 4GB USB stick

2012-09-01 Thread Rick Thomas
Package: cdimage.debian.org
Severity: wishlist
Tags: d-i

It would be nice if the DVD-1 iso image were just a bit smaller, so it would fit
onto a 4 GB USB flash drive.

I'm presonally interested in seeing this happen for PowerPC architecture,
but I'd even be happy if it only happened for the x86/amd64 architecure
if that's the best we can do in the Wheezy timeframe.




-- System Information:
Debian Release: wheezy/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: powerpc (ppc)

Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-3-powerpc
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash


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Bug#686218: cdimage.debian.org: booting powerpc netinst installer from USB-stick complains about type (Apple_HFS) of bootstrap partition (wants Apple_bootstrap)

2012-08-30 Thread Rick Thomas


On Aug 29, 2012, at 11:30 PM, Milan Kupcevic wrote:


On 08/29/2012 08:48 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:


When booting the Debian netinst powerpc installer from a USB flash  
disk you may see a mesage

   WARNING: Bootstrap partition type is wrong: "Apple_HFS"
 type should be: "Apple_Bootstrap"

This does not occur when booting the same iso from a physical CD-ROM.

Ignoring the warning does not seem to cause any problems.

Any idea what makes it do that?  Can if be fixed?  Should it be  
documented if it can't be fixed?




The warning message is likely coming from Open Firmware. It seems that
it expects to find a properly partitioned hard drive connected to the
USB connector you are trying to boot from. It does not expect to  
find a

hybrid CD/DVD Apple_HFS partition there.

M


Is there a way to prepare the USB stick so it will look like what the  
OF is expecting?  Since it doesn't seem to do any harm, I suppose it's  
just a cosmetic bug, but it would be nice if it didn't complain.


Enjoy!
Rick


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Bug#678066: Proposal to simplify PowerPC CD/DVD boot options

2012-08-30 Thread Rick Thomas


On Aug 29, 2012, at 11:04 PM, Milan Kupcevic wrote:


On 08/29/2012 07:58 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:


On Aug 29, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:



I just tried booting a PowerMac G4 with the Wheezy installer image
"built on 20120826-03:23" (details of where I downloaded it from,  
etc

available on request).

The G4 is a 32-bit machine, but it seems to be offering me the  
choices

for a 64 bit machine.

Before the "boot:" prompt it said (among other things)
  install 64-bit processor (G5 or POWER3/4/5/6/7)
  install32   32-bit processor (G4 or earlier)

and when I entered  at the "boot:" prompt I saw the list of  
options

  install   expert  rescue
  auto  install32   expert32
  rescue32  auto32



At this point you can still type: install32

If I just hit  at the "boot:" prompt it looks like it's  
trying to

boot the 64-bit kernel, which (of course) fails on the G4.

The only unusual thing about this is that I'm booting from a USB  
stick
using Open Firmware, rather than from a physical CD-ROM.  Should  
that

make any difference?


When you load yaboot binary directly from Open Firmware you are  
skipping

blessed stage one boot loader script. That is making the difference.



I just tried booting that installer from a physical CD-ROM on the  
G4.  I

got the expected (32-bit) messages.

So, I guess booting from a CD sets something in the OF environment  
that

isn't being set when booting from a USB stick?



By default, PowerPC Macs boot from a CD/DVD drive by loading an Apple
specific blessed file located in an Apple_HFS partition. The blessed
file is a stage one boot loader. It is a file containing Open Firmware
commands that are figuring out whether they run on 32-bit or 64-bit
machine, followed by a boot command that loads yaboot binary while
passing appropriate arguments to it.

If yaboot binary gets loaded without arguments it will offer both 64- 
bit

and 32-bit options, but default to 64-bit.



Is there a fix for this, or is it an un-common enough use-case to  
just

need to be documented as a limitation.



The on-screen instructions are correct. Thus, the manual could just  
say

something like this: "When the machine boots, follow the on screen
instruction."

Milan


Thanks for the explanation.  It helps me understand what's going on  
here.


What you say is, of course, technically correct.  The problem I'm  
having is that this is an about-face change from previous practice.   
Previously, 32-bit was the default, and 64-bit was the specific  
option.  Now it's the reverse.


Has there been a sea-change?  Are G5 machines now more common than  
G4s?  If so it could justify a reversal of long established behavior.   
But, while I have no statistics to quote, I doubt it based on the  
comments I've read in the lists. Actually, I think the large majority  
of old Apple machines people are trying to use with Debian are G4s.



Regardless, I'm trying to write a comprehensive set of notes on  
booting Apple PowerMacs from USB drives, and it would be nice to have  
this part fully documented.


Is there something I can tell people to do at the OF prompt that will  
load and run the stage-one boot loader?


If it's not possible to run the stage-one boot loader, is there  
something I can tell them to do that will pass the appropriate  
arguments to yaboot to make it do the "right thing" for their machine?



Thanks!

Rick

PS: I think the work you're doing on this is a big step in the right  
direction.  I'm a fan of the PowerPC architecture, and I'm just trying  
to help make the experience of Debian on old Macs as good as we know  
it can be!



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Bug#686218: cdimage.debian.org: booting powerpc netinst installer from USB-stick complains about type (Apple_HFS) of bootstrap partition (wants Apple_bootstrap)

2012-08-29 Thread Rick Thomas
Package: cdimage.debian.org
Severity: wishlist
Tags: d-i

When booting the Debian netinst powerpc installer from a USB flash disk you may 
see a mesage
WARNING: Bootstrap partition type is wrong: "Apple_HFS"
  type should be: "Apple_Bootstrap" 

This does not occur when booting the same iso from a physical CD-ROM.

Ignoring the warning does not seem to cause any problems.

Any idea what makes it do that?  Can if be fixed?  Should it be documented if 
it can't be fixed?

Thanks!


-- System Information:
Debian Release: wheezy/sid
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: powerpc (ppc)

Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-3-powerpc
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
see a message:


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Bug#678066: Proposal to simplify PowerPC CD/DVD boot options

2012-08-29 Thread Rick Thomas


On Aug 29, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:



I just tried booting a PowerMac G4 with the Wheezy installer image  
"built on 20120826-03:23" (details of where I downloaded it from,  
etc available on request).


The G4 is a 32-bit machine, but it seems to be offering me the  
choices for a 64 bit machine.


Before the "boot:" prompt it said (among other things)
   install 64-bit processor (G5 or POWER3/4/5/6/7)
   install32   32-bit processor (G4 or earlier)

and when I entered  at the "boot:" prompt I saw the list of  
options

   install   expert  rescue
   auto  install32   expert32
   rescue32  auto32

If I just hit  at the "boot:" prompt it looks like it's trying  
to boot the 64-bit kernel, which (of course) fails on the G4.


The only unusual thing about this is that I'm booting from a USB  
stick using Open Firmware, rather than from a physical CD-ROM.   
Should that make any difference?


I just tried booting that installer from a physical CD-ROM on the G4.   
I got the expected (32-bit) messages.


So, I guess booting from a CD sets something in the OF environment  
that isn't being set when booting from a USB stick?


Is there a fix for this, or is it an un-common enough use-case to just  
need to be documented as a limitation.


Enjoy!

Rick


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Bug#678066: Proposal to simplify PowerPC CD/DVD boot options

2012-08-29 Thread Rick Thomas


On Aug 4, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Milan Kupcevic wrote:


On 08/04/2012 12:41 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 05:56:54PM -0400, Milan Kupcevic wrote:

This is a Debian installation ${MEDIA_TYPE},
built on ${BUILD_DATE}.

+
Enter one of the following options to begin:

-install 32-bit processor (G4 or earlier)
-install64   64-bit processor (G5 or IBM POWER3/4/5)
-expert  expert mode on 32-bit processor
-expert64expert mode on 64-bit processor
+install 64-bit processor (G5 or POWER3/4/5/6/7)
+install32   32-bit processor (G4 or earlier)


Is there a reason why you've dropped mention of the "expert" options
here?



Just to simplify the first screen. User has to pres TAB to see a full
list of options, which is: install, expert, rescue, auto, install32,
expert32, rescue32 and auto32.

When booted on a 64-bit machine the first presented screen looks like:

=
Welcome to Debian GNU/Linux wheezy!

This is a Debian installation CDROM,
built on 20120617-18:20.

Enter one of the following options to begin:

install 64-bit processor (G5 or POWER3/4/5/6/7)
install32   32-bit processor (G4 or earlier)

Press TAB for a full list of options.

If the system fails to boot with a white screen
which doesn't go away, add 'video=ofonly'.


Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.16
Enter "help" to get some basic usage information
boot:
=



When booted on a 32-bit machine the first presented screen looks like:

=
Welcome to Debian GNU/Linux wheezy!

This is a Debian installation CDROM,
built on 20120617-18:20.

Press ENTER to continue, or press TAB for a
full list of options.

If the system fails to boot with a white screen
which doesn't go away, type:

install video=ofonly


Welcome to yaboot version 1.3.16
Enter "help" to get some basic usage information
boot:
=

The full list of options presented after the TAB was pressed on a 32- 
bit

machine is: install, expert, rescue and auto.


Milan



I just tried booting a PowerMac G4 with the Wheezy installer image  
"built on 20120826-03:23" (details of where I downloaded it from, etc  
available on request).


The G4 is a 32-bit machine, but it seems to be offering me the choices  
for a 64 bit machine.


Before the "boot:" prompt it said (among other things)
install 64-bit processor (G5 or POWER3/4/5/6/7)
install32   32-bit processor (G4 or earlier)

and when I entered  at the "boot:" prompt I saw the list of options
install   expert  rescue
auto  install32   expert32
rescue32  auto32

If I just hit  at the "boot:" prompt it looks like it's trying to  
boot the 64-bit kernel, which (of course) fails on the G4.


The only unusual thing about this is that I'm booting from a USB stick  
using Open Firmware, rather than from a physical CD-ROM.  Should that  
make any difference?


Thanks!

Rick


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Re: Question for you about IMAC and 5.05 CD iso..

2012-08-22 Thread Rick Thomas
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:15 PM, P.Carter  wrote:
>
 I have tried 6.05 however it ran very slow it was
> crawling.  And firefox was super slow...
> Imac specs:
> 333-400 mhz  128mb ram  rage 128 video cards,
> 6gb harddrive. slot loader.

It sounds like your problem is the very small RAM on this machine.
Fortunately, you can upgrade it to 512MB (or even 1GB) for less than
$50.  512MB is more than enough to run Debian Squeeze or Wheezy.  I
have a 300MHz blue&white tower with 512MB running Squeeze (6.0.5) that
I'm very happy with.

See the "everymac" web page at
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/specs/imac_350.html
for details.

Check back if you need help with any part of this.

Rick

Rick


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Bug#682946: latest weekly PowerPC CD#1 stalls because it cant find aptitude

2012-08-06 Thread Rick Thomas


On Aug 5, 2012, at 12:31 AM, Jonathan Nieder wrote:


Hi Rick,

Rick Thomas wrote:


I just downloaded the beta1 netinst images for powerpc, i386 and
amd64.  I'll be testing them this weekend if I can get time.


Thanks!


Is the problem likely to be specific to the CD1 images and not show
up on netinst?  If so, I'll get a copy of the beta1 CD1 image as
well.


Yeah, my ignorant guess would be that it was CD-specific.


I tested both the powerpc-xfce+lxde-CD-1 and the amd64-netinst beta-1  
install CDs.  Neither showed the "aptitude not found" problem, so I  
think it's been fixed.


When writing the yaboot bootloader, the PowerPC install failed to  
notice two partitions from previous installations that contained  
bootable Debian root filesystems.  So the created yaboot.conf only  
lists the partition to which I was installing.  This is annoying, but  
not a show-stopper.  It's almost certainly not related to bug 682946.   
I'll file a separate installation report for it.


Rick


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Re: latest weekly PowerPC CD#1 stalls because it cant find aptitude

2012-08-05 Thread Rick Thomas


I just downloaded the beta1 netinst images for powerpc, i386 and  
amd64.  I'll be testing them this weekend if I can get time.


Is the problem likely to be specific to the CD1 images and not show up  
on netinst?  If so, I'll get a copy of the beta1 CD1 image as well.


Rick

On Aug 4, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Jonathan Nieder wrote:


reassign 682946 cdimage.debian.org
tags 682946 + wheezy moreinfo
quit

Hi Rick,

Rick Thomas wrote:


Boot method: CD
Image version: /cdimage/weekly-builds/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-testing- 
powerpc-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso (23-Jul-2012 07:59  635M)

[...]
Jul 26 10:01:22 pkgsel: checking for (security) updates to the base  
system
Jul 26 10:01:24 in-target: Can't exec "aptitude": No such file or  
directory at /usr/bin/debconf-apt-progress line 130,  line 2.


Thanks for reporting it.

I think this has been fixed since then.  Can you confirm?

Thanks,
Jonathan





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Re: Dropping businesscard ISO images?!?

2012-07-10 Thread Rick Thomas
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Francesco Poli
 wrote:
> Hello Debian CD developers,
> I've just read news [1] about the plan to drop business card CD images:
>
> | There's a plan to drop the "business card CD images" of Debian since
> | they're rarely (if ever) used and tested.
>
> [1] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEzNzA
>
> Is this true?!?
>
> That sounds really unexpected to me, since business card ISO images
> have become my preferred method of installation: they are small and
> handy, easy to download without overloading mirrors (even easier than
> netinst images), they do not include base system packages so that even
> the base system is installed by downloading packages from mirrors [2],
> they fit nicely even on older (and smaller) USB sticks, ...
>
> I think I would miss business card ISO images, if they were dropped.
>
>
> [2] this saved my day once: quite some time ago, I had to install
> Debian testing on a box and a bug in a base system package prevented
> the correct installation; the bug was already fixed and the fix had
> just migrated to testing, but the base system included in the
> nightly-generated netinst ISO image was from the day before; using the
> business card ISO image worked around this issue!
>
>
>
> P.S.: please Cc me on replies, since I am not subscribed to debian-cd:
> thanks in advance!

I also hope this is not true!  I use businesscard CD's almost
exclusively when I need to install Debian -- for all the reasons
mentioned above, as well as the fact that it's over-all faster to
download as little as possible in CD-image form and as much as
possible in on-demand form.

Enjoy!

Rick


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Re: Wheezy release: CDs are not big enough any more...

2012-05-12 Thread Rick Thomas



On Sat, 12 May 2012 17:04:16 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Hey folks,

Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with 
trying

to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
we're going to *claim* to support in Wheezy. We've had a history of
supporting the following single-CD installations:

 * Gnome desktop from CD#1
 * KDE desktop from "KDE CD#1"
 * XFCE desktop from "light CD#1"
 * LXDE desktop from "light CD#1"
 * base system only from netinst CD

At this point, I'm skeptical that either of the first two are going 
to

work acceptably with Wheezy. If that's the case, then we should warn
people that they will need to use at least one of:

 * more CDs
 * a DVD
 * a network mirror

to get a useful/useable installation.

Gnome/KDE people: if you *can* do a single-CD installation for 
Wheezy,

please say so. If not, we'll need to make sure we get documents
updated (like the Release Manual), and maybe even consider extra
release images (e.g. a 2GB USB stick image).

Talk to me, please...

--
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.
st...@einval.com
Into the distance, a ribbon of black
Stretched to the point of no turning back


If you decide to give up on Gnome and KDE from a single CD, PLEASE keep 
the XFCE/LXDE "CD#1 light".


Rick


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Re: Some suggestions for changes to w.d.o/CD/faq entries

2012-01-10 Thread Rick Thomas

On Monday 09 January 2012 20:23:30 Thomas Schmitt wrote:
To my understanding, Andrei objected a sentence about Defect  
Management,


On Jan 9, 2012, at 1:34 PM, George Danchev wrote:

Okay, Andrei objected the term "checkreading", and it is indeed not
appropriate, regardless of whether it is performed by the drive  
itself or by

the user, therefore "proofreading" is suggested instead.


I'm not an expert on optical recording technology, but I am a native  
English speaker.  To me, the term "proofreading" implies checking  
someone's written words for grammar, sense, and spelling.  It's really  
not something I would expect a computer to be able to do.  If it's  
officially called "defect management", why not use that term --  
especially since (at least in English) it actually describes what's  
really going on.


If it were my choice (which, of course, it's not) I would greatly  
prefer something closer to Andre's original suggestion:


"In order to get full nominal speed on BD-RE (without the slowdown  
caused by the drive's internal defect management) add

the option 'stream_recording=on'."

Thanks for listening,

Rick


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[SOLVED] Re: Why do I get "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker"?

2011-03-20 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 20, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Mattias Wadenstein wrote:

For a while last night the torrent was freshly generated and not yet  
authorized on the tracker. Maybe this would be the cause of the  
original problem?


/Mattias Wadenstein - cdimage.d.o guy


Bingo!  Mattias gets the rubber ducky for having the right answer!

I tried it now and it works just fine.

Note to future people who get this error message on newly released  
torrents...


	Wait a bit and try again.  It just takes time to work it's way thru  
the system.


Enjoy!

Rick


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Re: Why do I get "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker"?

2011-03-20 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 20, 2011, at 5:07 AM, Rares Aioanei wrote:


On 03/20/2011 09:21 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:


I went to cdimage.debian.org and downloaded
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/6.0.1/i386/bt-dvd/debian-6.0.1-i386-DVD-1.iso.torrent



If that helps, it works here and it worked before.



What torrent did you use?  Where did you download the '.torrent' file  
from?  Was it the same as the one I used?  If not, could you try the  
one from the URL above?


Thanks!

Rick


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Re: Why do I get "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker"?

2011-03-20 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 20, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Michelle Konzack wrote:


Hello Rick Thomas,

Am 2011-03-20 13:49:34, hacktest Du folgendes herunter:

So I tried a public torrent from another distro.  That worked.
So I believe the problem is on the Debian end.  I've CC-ed debian-cd.


There are some Countries/ISP blockig torrent trackers, so it maybe   
that

your ISP is blocking your ports dynamicaly.

I am on GSM/HSPA network and can not use SOME torrent tracker  
because  I

am blocked.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
   Michelle Konzack


I was under the impression that the message "Requested download is not  
authorized for use with this tracker" came directly from the tracker,  
not my ISP.  If my ISP were blocking, I'd expect to see no response  
from the tracker at all.


Rick



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Re: Why do I get "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker"?

2011-03-20 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 20, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Camaleón wrote:

Yep, I remember a reply from myself to someone who was experiencing  
the

same error months ago:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/12/msg01032.html


Yep.  I remember seeing that reply in my googling.  There was no  
indication plus or minus as to whether it worked.






Has *anybody*, *ever*, succeeded in downloading a Debian DVD via
bittorrent?


Try to download another ".torrent" file (not the Debian ISO but  
another

app), from a different server to discard any problem within your
configuration or client.



So I tried a public torrent from another distro.  That worked.

So I believe the problem is on the Debian end.  I've CC-ed debian-cd.


Rick

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Re: No daily image builds since March 22nd

2010-04-25 Thread Rick Thomas


On Apr 25, 2010, at 1:50 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:


On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:57:20AM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:


But the links at
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/
are not getting updated.  They still point to March 22.

Anybody know why?


Hi Rick,

Caused by missing configuration changes that were needed to cope with
the move to the new CD builder machine. Thanks for pointing this out,
should be fixed now.



Cool!  Seems to be fine now.

Thanks, Steve!

Rick


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Re: No daily image builds since March 22nd

2010-04-24 Thread Rick Thomas


Somebody or something seems to be making daily sid_d-i images now.  At  
least there are businesscard and netinst images at

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20100425-1/
etc.  With appropriate dates.

But the links at
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/
are not getting updated.  They still point to March 22.

Anybody know why?

Rick


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Useful information about failed CD builds...

2010-04-13 Thread Rick Thomas


The AMD64 weekly-builds page at
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/
has this information about failed builds:



Weekly build for amd64
See the parent directory for more information about the weekly builds.

This build finished at Mon Mar 22 08:11:41 UTC 2010.

WARNING: This build is not up to date; it is the most recent  
successful build.


Later weekly builds failed with errors:

• Full CD build failed with error 1 at 2010-04-09:16:23:51
• DVD build failed with error 1 at 2010-04-09:16:23:51
• Blu-ray build failed with error 1 at 2010-04-09:16:23:51
• KDE CD build failed with error 1 at 2010-04-09:16:23:51
• XFCE/lxde CD build failed with error 1 at 2010-04-09:16:23:51
• Full CD build failed with error 1 at 2010-04-09:16:31:49
• DVD build failed with error 1 at 2010-04-09:16:31:49
• Blu-ray build failed with error 1 at 2010-04-09:16:31:49
• KDE CD build failed with error 1 at 2010-04-09:16:31:49
• XFCE/lxde CD build failed with error 1 at 2010-04-09:16:31:49



But the corresponding PowerPC and Armel pages (the only two I checked)  
do not have this very useful warning.


Can it be provided?

Thanks!

Rick

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Re: Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 24, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Frans Pop wrote:


For the "centralized" D-I
buildds (which includes powerpc) Luk Claes and Otavio Salvador are the
persons who set up the buildds and who are AFAIK the only people who
currently have the access required to maintain the buildds.



I've emailed Luk and Otavio off-list to see if there's anything I can  
do to help.


Rick


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Re: Bug#572605: still present -- installation-reports: Sid d-i on PowerPC can not find driver for network interface

2010-03-24 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 24, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Benjamin Cama wrote:

OK. So, if it has not already been told (I didn't see much details  
about

that in this BR) what steps should be taken for powerpc volunteers ?
Take care of the buildd ? Who is in charge of it at the moment ?


So how do we get this fixed?  If it really is a problem on the buildd,  
who *can* fix it?  Is there a list somewhere of who is responsible for  
which buildd?


If it doesn't get fixed, there's not much point in claiming that  
Debian supports PowerPC architecture...


Thanks!

Rick


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Re: Free CD of Debian 5.0

2010-01-18 Thread Rick Thomas


On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:35 AM, Amir H. Moin wrote:


Abdullah Al-Mamun Raihan wrote:


Sir,
I want a Free CD of Debine 5.0. I am a university going student. I am
interested on Debian. Plese sent a free CD.
My Adress

Abdullah Al-Mamun Raihan
Motiakhali 6th Lane, House No-5, Shipyard, Khulna, Postal Code-9100,
Bangladesh
--  
Mamun Raihan

01912315869


Dear Mr. Raihan,
In order to order a Debian DVD the best way is to check this page:
http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
Find the most appropriate vendor (closest to you) and make your order.
Good luck and welcome to the Debian user community in advance.


This won't be "free" as in free-beer.  It will be "free" as in free- 
speech.  Of course.


If you want a "free" in both senses, you should download an ISO image  
from

http://cdimage.debian.org/
Follow one of the links there that suits your needs.  Then burn the  
ISO to a CD-R and you're set to go!


Enjoy!

Rick


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Re: PowerPC daily install CDs? [Was: Re: Netinst for testing?]

2009-10-28 Thread Rick Thomas


On Oct 24, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:



On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Frans Pop wrote:


On Saturday 24 October 2009, Dennis Wicks wrote:

I thought that I had previously gotten net install CD iso
for what was then the testing release of Debian.


Links to current images are available from:
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

Cheers,
FJP



Hmmm... If I follow that link, then click on
"• netinst ... and businesscard ... CD images ... [powerpc]"
I get taken to a directory that claims "This build finished at Thu  
Oct 1 23:28:01 UTC 2009."


Is it possible that PowerPC CD builds have been down for over three  
weeks and nobody noticed?


!?!?!?!

Rick


Any idea when this will be fixed?  Just wondering...

Rick

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PowerPC daily install CDs? [Was: Re: Netinst for testing?]

2009-10-24 Thread Rick Thomas


On Oct 24, 2009, at 10:03 PM, Frans Pop wrote:


On Saturday 24 October 2009, Dennis Wicks wrote:

I thought that I had previously gotten net install CD iso
for what was then the testing release of Debian.


Links to current images are available from:
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/

Cheers,
FJP



Hmmm... If I follow that link, then click on
"• netinst ... and businesscard ... CD images ... [powerpc]"
I get taken to a directory that claims "This build finished at Thu Oct  
1 23:28:01 UTC 2009."


Is it possible that PowerPC CD builds have been down for over three  
weeks and nobody noticed?


!?!?!?!

Rick

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PowePC sid_d-i daily builds are not happening...

2009-05-30 Thread Rick Thomas


On May 24, 2009, at 2:39 AM, Rick Thomas wrote:


http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/arch-latest/powerpc/iso-cd/

says that "This build finished at Mon May 18 22:27:07 UTC 2009."

That's almost a week ago.  I'd like to test a new sid installation  
on one of my Macs but until this is fixed, I can't.  Any idea when  
it will be working again?


This has not changed in the last week.  It still says May 18th, 2009.

What is wrong and what can we do to fix it?

Thanks!

Rick


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Re: Are squeeze weekly CDs being produced yet?

2009-02-23 Thread Rick Thomas


On Feb 23, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:


On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 06:14:18PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:

Same sort of thing for the weekly page

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/

It mentions Lenny as if it were still testing.


Also fixed now. The first set of squeeze weekly builds will be next
Monday now.

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"C++ ate my sanity" -- Jon Rabone




Very cool!   Thanks!  I'll give it a try when it's available.


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Are squeeze weekly CDs being produced yet?

2009-02-17 Thread Rick Thomas

Same sort of thing for the weekly page

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/

It mentions Lenny as if it were still testing.

Rick

On Feb 17, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:


On the cdimage daily builds page

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/

there is mention of Lenny and Sid, but no mention of squeeze.  Is  
that a bug?



Rick



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Are squeeze daily CDs being produced yet?

2009-02-17 Thread Rick Thomas

On the cdimage daily builds page

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/

there is mention of Lenny and Sid, but no mention of squeeze.  Is  
that a bug?



Rick


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Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-30 Thread Rick Thomas


On Dec 30, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Frans Pop wrote:


On Tuesday 30 December 2008, Rick Thomas wrote:

Given that all the necessary packages will be available on the DVD,
doesn't it make more sense to do the selection in tasksel, rather
than at boot-time?  It would certainly be more convenient for the
user.  IMHO, doing it at boot time violates the principle of least
astonishment.


See [1] in http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2008/12/msg00019.html


Frans wrote:

The simple reason is that Joey Hess, the lead developer for  
tasksel, has

always been opposed to doing it in tasksel with as main argument that
tasksel is mostly for new users who are probably not aware of what DEs
exist and thus would only be confused when having to choose between
meaningless names as GNOME, KDE, etc.


I don't know (or care to get involved with) the personalities here, so
if I'm "meddling in the affairs of wizards", I apologize and somebody
should email me off-line ti tell me "back off".

Nevertheless: Suppose somebody (maybe me?) were to write a patch
to tasksel that implemented an "expert" mode with big bold warnings
"Here there be dragons. Don't do this unless you *really* know what
you're doing!"

Useful, but newbie-dangerous, options could be put there, including
selection of which DEs to install.

If such a patch was available, would Joey be willing to accept it?

(Before I volunteer, what language is tasksel written in?  If it's in
Python or C, languages that I know well, I might be able to take it
on.)

Crawling back under my rock,

Rick


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Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-30 Thread Rick Thomas


On Dec 30, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Frans Pop wrote:


On Tuesday 30 December 2008, Wouter Verhelst wrote:

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 09:11:20AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote:

The regular powerpc DVD will switch from GNOME-based to all-desktop.
The only thing missing is offering boot options to select different
desktop environments as we'll now do for x86,


Given that all the necessary packages will be available on the DVD,  
doesn't it make more sense to do the selection in tasksel, rather  
than at boot-time?  It would certainly be more convenient for the  
user.  IMHO, doing it at boot time violates the principle of least  
astonishment.


As I understand it, the original argument for doing it at boot time  
was that you couldn't fit all the options onto a single CD, so you  
had to segregate them into one CD per desktop type, so the decision  
really had to be pushed back even further than boot-time -- it was  
already made at CD creation time.  This makes sense in the CD context  
(except for those who had good Internet connectivity and could get  
whatever they needed from a friendly neighborhood mirror site).


But if you can fit all the desktops into a DVD, that argument is moot.

Or am I missing something?


Rick


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Re: [RFC] Consequences for official CD/DVD images for Lenny

2008-12-29 Thread Rick Thomas


On Dec 29, 2008, at 4:43 PM, Frans Pop wrote:

Powerpc is very definitely losing its user base (just compare the  
number
of macbooks (ppc based!) you see now at conferences with what you  
saw 3

or 4 years ago.


Actually, "MacBook" is the name for the Intel-based Apple laptops.
The PowerPC based laptops were called "iBook" (and some other things,  
but generically they were all "iBook"s).


I only go to one conference a year ("LISA" -- Large Installation  
Systems Administration, run by USENIX) but the number of Apple based  
laptops I see in use by the gathered SysAdmins doesn't change much  
from year-to-year.


Nevertheless, quibbles aside, when Apple dropped the PowerPC, it was  
a big blow to the availability of relatively inexpensive consumer- 
grade PowerPC hardware.  And this will result, over time, in a drop  
in demand for the ppc Debian port.


Time marches on.

I'm only a user and a tester, so I don't get to vote, but I'd go for  
the increased utility of dropping ppc from the multi-arch/multi- 
desktop DVD-1.  In exchange, I'd like to see a PPC-only DVD-1 with  
the same functionality.


But then, I've got good Internet connectivity, so I can afford to  
download two separate DVD images if I need to.  I can also afford to  
install from a Businesscard image and get what I need from a nearby  
mirror.  So maybe you should be taking to somebody in India or Uganda  
about this.


Anybody out there with limited Internet bandwidth want to comment?

My two cents,

Rick


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Re: The intro paragraph for daily-builds directory is out of date.

2008-04-10 Thread Rick Thomas



On Apr 9, 2008, at 7:42 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:
But now that you mention it, I should go back and see if I can find  
anything else that might improve the "user experience".



Quoting from <http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/>
These images are produced regularly, normally twice daily but this  
may change from time to time. There are multiple CDs built in each  
run:


"etch" businesscard for each arch except s390 (small image, no  
packages - just contains d-i)
"etch" netinst for each arch except s390 (slightly larger image, d- 
i and the base system only)

"sid" businesscard (as above)
"sid" netinst (as above)
The "lenny" and "sid" versions determine the version of d-i used in  
each case. "lenny" uses the last known-good d-i image from the  
archive (aka lenny beta 1 at the moment). "sid" uses the latest  
build from the porters for each architecture.







Shouldn't the two "etch" references be "lenny" instead?

I suspect that's the best we can do short of rewriting it entirely to  
be completely "timeless"  --  which I don't think would be a good  
idea.  It would inevitably entail loss of "timely" information that  
really has no other logical place to go.




Thanks!



Rick


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Re: The intro paragraph for daily-builds directory is out of date.

2008-04-09 Thread Rick Thomas


On Apr 9, 2008, at 6:13 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:

On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 08:07:25PM -0400, Rick Thomas wrote:

The introductory paragraph from

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/



is badly out of date.  It claims to have been last updated in January
2007 (over a year ago).  There's been a lot of water under the bridge
since then.  What first caught my eye was reference to "etch-RC1",
but when I looked I found other problems as well.


Hi Rick,

Thanks for pointing this out. I've updated the text to at least talk
about lenny rather than etch. If you have any suggestions for better
text otherwise, patches would be welcome... :-)

--  
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 as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver." --  
Daniel Pead


Thanks Steve,

Beyond noticing that it was talking about obsolete stuff, I didn't  
really look at it very closely.  But now that you mention it, I  
should go back and see if I can find anything else that might improve  
the "user experience".


Take care,

Rick


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The intro paragraph for daily-builds directory is out of date.

2008-04-06 Thread Rick Thomas

The introductory paragraph from

http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/



is badly out of date.  It claims to have been last updated in January  
2007 (over a year ago).  There's been a lot of water under the bridge  
since then.  What first caught my eye was reference to "etch-RC1",  
but when I looked I found other problems as well.




Rick

==

Daily build

Daily build status

Things should be running normally now until we produce d-i RC2 for  
etch, then the etch release.


Last updated: 16th January 2007

What are the daily builds?

These images are produced regularly, normally twice daily but this  
may change from time to time. There are multiple CDs built in each run:


"etch" businesscard for each arch except s390 (small image, no  
packages - just contains d-i)
"etch" netinst for each arch except s390 (slightly larger image, d-i  
and the base system only)

"sid" businesscard (as above)
"sid" netinst (as above)
The "etch" and "sid" versions determine the version of d-i used in  
each case. "etch" uses the last known-good d-i image from the archive  
(aka etch RC1 at the moment). "sid" uses the latest build from the  
porters for each architecture.


The "daily", "daily.new" and "daily.old" links below are just  
symlinks to etch_d-i and sid_d-i as appropriate (for convenience).  
Within each directory, you'll find the last 6 builds labelled by date  
and build number within that day. There are more symlinks provided  
too: "current" points to the last build that was done; "arch-latest"  
points to the last successful CD build for each architecture. (NOTE:  
that's not a guarantee that the CDs are useful, just that the build  
script did not fail!).


Bigger CD sets

If you're looking for more packages (e.g. full CD or DVD sets), then  
you're in the wrong place. Try the weekly build area instead.


Problems?

If you encounter any problems with these images, please check the  
Debian CDs FAQ. The most common complaint at the moment is about  
wrongly-sized or corrupt DVD ISO images, which is normally a bug in  
your http download program.


If your problem is not covered by the above FAQ, please report it to  
the debian-cd@lists.debian.org mailing list.


Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



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Re: jigdo in SoC [Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?]

2008-03-17 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 17, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Richard Atterer wrote:

Re: "What CDs/DVDs?" I agree with many others here: Produce images  
(and
.jigdos) for all images, but only mirror a limited subset via HTTP/ 
FTP.


The commercial CD/DVD sellers can produce those CDs and DVDs that  
aren't available directly.  That's part of their "value added".


Another part of their value added is bandwidth savings.  If I'm  
working in the highlands of Papua New Guinea, on a 600-MB/month  
bandwidth budget, I'll be happy to pay somebody else (in, say,  
Australia or in one of the PNG coastal towns) to do the downloading  
and compilation of a full set of installation CDs.


Giving the commercial resellers the tools (such as jigdo) to do this  
is an important part of Debian's social responsibility.  Giving them  
tools (such as debian-cd) to customize and extend their offerings is  
part of the open source philosophy.



Rick


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Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-17 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 17, 2008, at 4:17 PM, Uwe Bugla wrote:


My other question was:
Are blank CDs with 650 MB still sold or not?
In Germany they aren't. How about other countries in that world?

Perhaps someone reading that could answer me that question.
Would be very helpful to understand that!


They (650-MB CD blanks) are available (or at least, they were, last  
time I looked -- about a year ago) but you have to search for them.   
They are not readily available at your favorite supermarket, the way  
700-MB blanks are.


They are needed because some very old CD drives will not read the 700- 
MB disks.


This may be a problem in some 3rd world environments (including,  
sadly, many K-12 schools in the United States).


Rick


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Re: What CDs and DVDs should we produce for lenny?

2008-03-17 Thread Rick Thomas


On Mar 17, 2008, at 11:18 AM, Jürgen Kertz wrote:



I fear I did nothing good with my comment here, and I hope all who  
felt offended by my words will forgive me. I've learned my lesson  
and will keep out of these discussions from now on.



Jürgen,

The lesson to take away from this is that Debian has lots of very  
strong personalities, many of whom have almost no social skills.


You did nothing wrong!  Your point of view is just as valid as  
theirs, and your contribution to the discussion is just as valuable  
-- no matter what they may say.


If you stay out of the discussions to protect yourself, that's your  
choice.  But if you want to make a contribution to the community  
effort, you must learn not to take personally the harsh words that  
those with lesser social skills may use in defending their own --  
usually just as limited -- point of view, or in feeding their own --  
usually child-like -- egos.


I learned long ago (I will be 62 years old next month) that people  
who find it easy to talk to computers often find it difficult to talk  
to their fellow human beings in a cvil tone of voice.  They don't  
mean it as a personal attack, they just don't know any better.


Let me repeat my main point:

You did not do anything wrong.  Your contribution to the discussion  
is valuable.  I, for one, am glad you offered it and I look forward  
to hearing from you again.


Rick



Bug#468161: Please increase the severity of this bug...

2008-03-11 Thread Rick Thomas


In light of the reply to bug #469919 (quoted below) from Robert  
Lemmen, the maintainer of zsync, it seems that this bug report should  
be interpreted as "Either fix the problem on the cdimage side, or  
stop using zsync to distribute Debian cdimages".  If Robert can't fix  
the bug on his side, and it can't be fixed on the cdimage side,  
there's little point in going to the effort of creating useless  
".zsync" files.


Additional data that may be helpful from bug #444159 is also quoted  
below.


It may be appropriate to merge the three bug reports #468161,  
#444159, and #469919.  I'm not familiar enough with the Debian BTS to  
know...



Thanks,

Rick

==reply to bug # 469919 by Robert Lemmen

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Bug#469919: zsync fails
Date:   March 11, 2008 8:13:33 AM EDT
To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

this is the same as bug #444159, zsync does not support HTTP redirects
in the moment. It is questionable if it is actually a good idea to
support them, as this would mean going through the whole redirect  
chain

for every microscopic request (zsync send *many* of them). in the case
of the debian isos, the .zsync files should be updated to reflect the
new position of the isos...

regards  robert

On Fri, Mar 07, 2008 at 04:43:33PM -0500, Rick Thomas wrote:


Package: zsync

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ zsync http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-
builds/sid_d-i/20080307-1/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-testing-powerpc-
businesscard.iso.zsync
 100.0% 114.7 kBps DONE

No relevent local data found - I will be downloading the whole file.
If that's not what you want, CTRL-C out. You should specify the local
file is the old version of the file to download with -i (you might
have to decompress it with gzip -d first). Or perhaps you just have
no data that helps download the file
downloading from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/ 
sid_d-

i/20080307-1/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-testing-powerpc-businesscard.iso:
 0.0%bad status code 302
 0.0% 0.0 kBps aborted

failed to retrieve from debian-testing-powerpc-businesscard.iso
Aborting, download available in debian-testing-powerpc-
businesscard.iso.part
verifying download...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$


This is on Debian Lenny on PowerPC Macintosh

What's a "bad status code 302" mean?


Rick

--
Robert Lemmen   http://www.semistable.com



===relevant excerpt from bug #444159

HTTP error 302 is "Found", aka "The requested resource resides
temporarily under a different URI". This means that zsync-assisted
downloads are currently failing for Debian daily test images. Looking
into the zsync source code, I can see it's using its own local HTTP
code rather than using libcurl or any of the other readily-available
HTTP client libraries. That does seem like a bit of a design bug, to
say the least. I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were multiple
security bugs in there just waiting to be found.

=



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Re: keine ISOs ??

2008-01-17 Thread Rick Thomas


On Jan 11, 2008, at 11:29 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote:


The r6a ISO images were removed when I started building the r7
images. Unfortunately, the r7 build has problems so is not ready for
release yet. I'd recommend you go with Etch instead; if you *really*
need sarge for some reason, then try jigdo to download the r6a images.

I'm hoping to get r7 fixed and rebuilt soon.


Any word on when this will be available?

Rick


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Re: URL for ISO image of latest release of Sarge.

2008-01-11 Thread Rick Thomas


On Jan 9, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Chris Andrew wrote:


Hi, all.

I note that Sarge has just had an update, and I wanted to try the new
image on my SS20.  I can find an ISO anywhere, can anyone point me
towards this release?


Hi Chris,

Here's the latest word...  It looks like they're still fixing some  
last-minute bugs.   Real Soon Now?  Maybe...


Rick

On Jan 7, 2008, Steve McIntyre wrote:


Hi guys,

Unfortunately there is another major issue with 3.1r7 that we've found
in last-minute testing just before I released them. I'm hoping to get
a fix for that shortly, but for now the 3.1r7 images are on hold and
not useable. :-(




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Re: Re: Jigdo for Debian 2.2 (potato) for PPC

2008-01-07 Thread Rick Thomas

Brian wrote:

Thanks much for the suggestion about the alternate kernel for  
Sarge.  That's a terrific idea and one which I never would have  
thought to explore without your help!



Hi Brian,

If you haven't already gotten your emulated machine running Sarge,  
I've been told that the recently announced Debian Sarge release 3.1r7  
will have iso's available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ 
archive/ in a couple of days.


Unfortunately, the 3.1r6 images (available there now) were created  
before Sarge changed from "stable" to "oldstable".  So they don't  
offer to actually install Sarge (it should be called "oldstable" if  
they offered it, but all they have is "stable", "testing", and  
"unstable")  This bug is supposedly fixed in 3.1r7.


Good luck, and have fun with Debian Sarge!

Rick


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Bug#409218: one of three cdimage.d.o has different timezone from other two

2007-01-31 Thread Rick Thomas

Package: cdrom

One of the three machines that round-robin for the server  
"cdimage.debian.org" seems to have a different timezone (for ftp, but  
not http) from the other two.


Specifically:


$ host cdimage.debian.org
cdimage.debian.org is an alias for ftp.acc.umu.se.
ftp.acc.umu.se has address 130.239.18.138
ftp.acc.umu.se has address 130.239.18.158
ftp.acc.umu.se has address 130.239.18.159

$ host 130.239.18.158
158.18.239.130.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer laotzu.acc.umu.se.
$ host 130.239.18.159
159.18.239.130.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer chuangtzu.acc.umu.se.
$ host 130.239.18.138
138.18.239.130.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer saimei.acc.umu.se.


So when I do...

$ ( echo 'cd cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20070131-2/powerpc/iso- 
cd' ; echo 'ls' ) | ftp 130.239.18.158

-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002  242 Jan 31 22:36 HEADER.html
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002  143 Jan 31 22:36 MD5SUMS
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002 73443328 Jan 31 22:34 debian- 
testing-powerpc-businesscard.iso
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002   251237 Jan 31 22:36 debian- 
testing-powerpc-businesscard.iso.zsync
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002 246259712 Jan 31 22:36 debian- 
testing-powerpc-netinst.iso
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002   421055 Jan 31 22:36 debian- 
testing-powerpc-netinst.iso.zsync
$ ( echo 'cd cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20070131-2/powerpc/iso- 
cd' ; echo 'ls' ) | ftp 130.239.18.159

-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002  242 Jan 31 22:36 HEADER.html
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002  143 Jan 31 22:36 MD5SUMS
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002 73443328 Jan 31 22:34 debian- 
testing-powerpc-businesscard.iso
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002   251237 Jan 31 22:36 debian- 
testing-powerpc-businesscard.iso.zsync
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002 246259712 Jan 31 22:36 debian- 
testing-powerpc-netinst.iso
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002   421055 Jan 31 22:36 debian- 
testing-powerpc-netinst.iso.zsync
$ ( echo 'cd cdimage/daily-builds/sid_d-i/20070131-2/powerpc/iso- 
cd' ; echo 'ls' ) | ftp 130.239.18.138

-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002  242 Jan 31 23:36 HEADER.html
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002  143 Jan 31 23:36 MD5SUMS
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002 73443328 Jan 31 23:34 debian- 
testing-powerpc-businesscard.iso
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002   251237 Jan 31 23:36 debian- 
testing-powerpc-businesscard.iso.zsync
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002 246259712 Jan 31 23:36 debian- 
testing-powerpc-netinst.iso
-rw-r--r--1 1002 1002   421055 Jan 31 23:36 debian- 
testing-powerpc-netinst.iso.zsync


Interestingly, when looked at with http protocol rather than ftp  
protocol, this discrepancy does not occur.


Rick

"Curiouser and curiouser!", cried Alice.



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