Re: Planning for 12.7/11.11

[Jean-Pierre Giraud]

Hi all,
Le mercredi 10 juillet 2024 à 08:12 +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire a écrit :
> On Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 02:12:37PM +0100, Mark Hymers wrote:
> > On Thu, 20, Jun, 2024 at 10:35:35PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire spoke
> > thus..
> > >  - Saturday 31st August: it's later than ideal, leaving a gap
> > > before LTS
> > >    starts work, but that may be unavoidable.
> > 
> > I can currently do 31st August.
> 
> Thanks. Although there's no indication from press yet I think we'd
> better
> go for that as there isn't any good other option.
> 
> Press - can you please confirm availability for 31st August ASAP?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
Yes, we will be avaible on 31st August,

Regards
jipege


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Re: Planning for 12.7/11.11

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

On Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 02:12:37PM +0100, Mark Hymers wrote:
> On Thu, 20, Jun, 2024 at 10:35:35PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire spoke thus..
> >  - Saturday 31st August: it's later than ideal, leaving a gap before LTS
> >starts work, but that may be unavoidable.
> 
> I can currently do 31st August.

Thanks. Although there's no indication from press yet I think we'd better
go for that as there isn't any good other option.

Press - can you please confirm availability for 31st August ASAP?

Thanks,

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Re: Nearly reproducible Bookworm 12.6 live images

[Roland Clobus]

On 03/07/2024 18:44, Roland Clobus wrote:
...
I'll prepare a patch, and hopefully the next set of live images (12.6.1 
or 12.7.0) will be fully reproducible.


This should do the trick:
https://salsa.debian.org/images-team/live-setup/-/merge_requests/6

With kind regards,
Roland Clobus


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Re: Nearly reproducible Bookworm 12.6 live images

[Steve McIntyre]

On Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 06:44:37PM +0200, Roland Clobus wrote:
>Hello lists,
>
>I'm sooo close...
>
>Now that that 12.6 live images have been generated [1], there is only one
>embedded timestamp left (/boot/grub/live-theme/theme.txt and its parent
>folder)
>I've not seen this timestamp issue before, as I am using a slightly different
>way of building the image than live-setup uses.
>
>live-setup uses a local cache of the git repository of live-build, to avoid
>being blocklisted by salsa for heavy traffic, caused by parallel builds.
>This local cache brings that this file could have an old timestamp, whereas
>my local builds always used 'now' (caused by git clone), which would be
>properly truncated to SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, and therefore be reproducible.
>
>I'll prepare a patch, and hopefully the next set of live images (12.6.1 or
>12.7.0) will be fully reproducible.

Awesome stuff! :-)

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Re: Nearly reproducible Bookworm 12.6 live images

[Philip Hands]

Roland Clobus  writes:

> Hello lists,
>
> I'm sooo close...
>
> Now that that 12.6 live images have been generated [1], there is only 
> one embedded timestamp left (/boot/grub/live-theme/theme.txt and its 
> parent folder)
> I've not seen this timestamp issue before, as I am using a slightly 
> different way of building the image than live-setup uses.
>
> live-setup uses a local cache of the git repository of live-build, to 
> avoid being blocklisted by salsa for heavy traffic, caused by parallel 
> builds.
> This local cache brings that this file could have an old timestamp, 
> whereas my local builds always used 'now' (caused by git clone), which 
> would be properly truncated to SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH, and therefore be 
> reproducible.

AFAIK it's the repeated full clones that get you blocklisted.

I was having the same issue with the openQA workers which I've fixed by
adding a --reference-if-able option pointing at a locally accessible
copy of the repo on the workers (in fact the "local" copy is an nfs
mount, but it's enough to ensure that the worker is not trying to do a
full clone from salsa, and so avoids the blocklist)

I guess the thing to do is a fetch against the cache repo first just to
make sure it stays updated, then a clone while pointing at that repo
via the --reference-if-able option, then it'll still give you the same
result as doing a clone, without overloading salsa.

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: Nearly reproducible Bookworm 12.6 live images

[Holger Levsen]

Hi Roland,

On Wed, Jul 03, 2024 at 06:44:37PM +0200, Roland Clobus wrote:
> I'm sooo close...
[...]

hehe, congrats & thanks for keeping us in the loop! In honor of your
work I've manually written the signature of this email...! :)


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Re: Planning for 12.7/11.11

[Mark Hymers]

On Thu, 20, Jun, 2024 at 10:35:35PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire spoke thus..
>  - Saturday 31st August: it's later than ideal, leaving a gap before LTS
>starts work, but that may be unavoidable.

I can currently do 31st August.

Mark

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Re: Debian 11.9.0 with patch

[Steve McIntyre]

Hi Guang,

On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 11:38:53PM +, Zhao, Guang wrote:
>
>I was wondering where to find the ISO installer for Debian version with dated
>patches.  I’m looking for 11.9.0 with patch dated 2024-05-07.  This version
>corresponds to the Debian public AMI patched at the same date:
>
>https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/AmazonEC2Image/Bullseye. 
>
>As far as I can tell, the CD image archive contains only the initial release
>without subsequent patches:
>
>https://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/archive/11.9.0/

We normally don't release updated CD / installer images including
security fixes; we expect that security updates will be pulled in by
machines during the installation process.

But: we just published 11.10.0 this weekend anyway, which will likely
include whatever other fixes you're looking for.

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Re: Request: more images in the weekly build -> arm64

[Steve McIntyre]

Hey Roland,

On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 12:27:31PM +0200, Roland Clobus wrote:
>
>On 23/06/2024 22:33, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> Hey Roland!
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:39:05AM +0200, Roland Clobus wrote:
>> > 
>> > Since the Minidebconf in Hamburg earlier this year, the support for arm64 
>> > in
>> > the Debian live images has seen a lot of progress.
>...
>> > I could prepare a MR
>
>The MR is at
>https://salsa.debian.org/images-team/live-setup/-/merge_requests/5
>
>Let's start only with a GNOME image at first.
>I'll update the matching openQA tests, as soon as the new image appears.

ACK. As you've referenced, I'll also need to tweak some other bits in
the image setup. Maybe this weekend once we've done the point
releases...

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Re: Request: more images in the weekly build -> arm64

[Roland Clobus]

Hello Steve, list,

On 23/06/2024 22:33, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Hey Roland!

On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:39:05AM +0200, Roland Clobus wrote:


Since the Minidebconf in Hamburg earlier this year, the support for arm64 in
the Debian live images has seen a lot of progress.

...

I could prepare a MR


The MR is at 
https://salsa.debian.org/images-team/live-setup/-/merge_requests/5


Let's start only with a GNOME image at first.
I'll update the matching openQA tests, as soon as the new image appears.

With kind regards,
Roland Clobus


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Re: Surge on demand for some Debian 'netinst' ISOs on BitTorrent

[Mattias Wadenstein]

On Fri, 21 Jun 2024, Felipe Maia wrote:


Dear Image/CD Team

I've been serving, through BitTorrent, all the 52 images (ISOs) of 
Debian 12.5 since one or two weeks after the release.


Hi!

I've noticed a surge on demand for 4 'netinst' images on the last 
approximately 7 days. The images are (in the presented order):


- debian-12.5.0-arm64-netinst.iso
- debian-mac-12.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
- debian-edu-12.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
- debian-12.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso

These images were around the 10th to the 15th positions in demand. All 
the sudden, I've been having a very high demand for them, much more than 
I've seen for all these months. It's an increase of something like 10 
fold. In these few days, they jumped to the first 4 positions in the 
ranking and are far beyond the former first place, which was 
'debian-12.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso' as expected. The ranking order was quite 
stable for all these months until now.


Interesting find!

Unfortunately the main seeder doesn't keep track of historical data very 
much, just a bunch of rtorrent processes in screens. Overall traffic is 
also tiny, at around 15 Mbit/s average outgoing traffic.


I wonder if someone knows what's happening, if other people serving the 
images with BitTorrent are having the same experience, and if this 
phenomena is also happening with the images downloaded from the Debian 
Image Servers.


On https downloads from cdimage.debian.org I don't see any big change. The 
mac netinst has a doubling in demand in the last 7 days compared to the 
whole month, but that's not a huge surge and it isn't reflected in any of 
the other netinst images.


/Mattias Wadenstein

Re: Planning for 12.7/11.11

[Steve McIntyre]

Hey Jonathan,

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 10:35:35PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>
>A finally-final point release is required for bullseye, and we're a bit
>constrained on dates. The security team (CC) wish to cease security support
>from Wednesday 14th August and hand over to LTS as soon as a wash-up release
>can be organised.
>
>The weekend of 24th August is unworkable. That leaves two options:
>
> - Saturday 17th August: this would mean freezing on the 10th, before
>   security support ends, so the security team's cooperation in keeping
>   non-critical DSAs off the table during the freeze period would be
>   required

Apologies, I'm away that weekend.

> - Saturday 31st August: it's later than ideal, leaving a gap before LTS
>   starts work, but that may be unavoidable.

That works for me, so far.

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Re: Request: more images in the weekly build -> arm64

[Steve McIntyre]

Hey Roland!

On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 11:39:05AM +0200, Roland Clobus wrote:
>
>Since the Minidebconf in Hamburg earlier this year, the support for arm64 in
>the Debian live images has seen a lot of progress.
>Together with Emanuele Rocca, I was able to to confirm that live images that
>are built natively on arm64 contain the same as the cross-built live images
>from amd64. Additionally some of the bug reports that we created have been
>resolved since then.

Cool. :-)

>From my point of view, the weekly image building (organised in live-setup)
>can be extended to include arm64 was well [1].

That's awesome!

>I could prepare a MR, but need a bit more info:
>How are the non-amd64 images (e.g the current netinst-images) created? Are
>they the result of a cross-build, or are they natively generated on other
>hosts?

The installer images are all generated using debian-cd on casulana,
our big central amd64 with lots of fast storage. There's nothing that
needs native execution in debian-cd, so there's nothing that needs
cross-building for installer images. Live images will be different, of
course.

>The latest gnome image took 3 hours according to the log [2].
>The cross-build on my computer take 6 to 10 times as much computing time, so
>that might be considered.

Right. We build the live images in parallel inside a single VM on
casulana, so build times that you're seeing are not necessarily
representative. Last time I checked, a single gnome image build took
~1h. Running in paralllel lets us build multiple images in that 3h
period, so it's definitely worth it overall to do that.

For an example of the kind of performance cost of cross-building, we
*do* still build some amd64 images and cross-build some equivalent
arm64 openstack images on casulana. The last builds took:

 * amd64 0h09m55s
 * arm64 2h52m25s

which is approximately a factor of 17.

>(I've already identified one cause, which I intend to remove later)

OK.

>If they are cross-builds, perhaps it would be wiser to start with one image
>at first (e.g. the gnome image) and then set up the openQA testing chain,
>before progressing to other variants.

Sure, that would make sense. Building a full set of arm64 images
probably isn't feasible unless we do something to make the builds much
faster.

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Re: Planning for 12.7/11.11

[Adam D. Barratt]

On Thu, 2024-06-20 at 22:35 +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>  - Saturday 17th August: this would mean freezing on the 10th, before
>    security support ends, so the security team's cooperation in
> keeping non-critical DSAs off the table during the freeze period
> would be required
> 
>  - Saturday 31st August: it's later than ideal, leaving a gap before
> LTS starts work, but that may be unavoidable.

Either of these should work for me.

Regards,

Adam

Re: Request: more images in the weekly build -> arm64

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Roland Clobus wrote:
> The latest gnome image took 3 hours according to the log [2].
> [2] 
> https://get.debian.org/images/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-testing-amd64-gnome.log
>  (from 03:12:32 to 06:04:48)

Interesting log. There are two time zones used in two kinds of time stamp.
The more frequently given stamps say "[2024-06-17 04:12:33]" to
"[2024-06-17 07:04:19]".

The first timestamp after ISO production is
  [2024-06-17 04:58:02] lb binary_onie

It seems that most of the two hours after building the ISO are spent with
activities which have nothing to do with the ISO production.
More than half of the overall 3 hours get spent with "lb chroot_archives"
runs. (I assume that those don't happen in debian-cd.)

In particular there is a strange time span of more than 1 hour from
  [2024-06-17 04:58:32] lb chroot_archives source install
  P: Configuring file /etc/apt/sources.list
to
  [2024-06-17 06:03:35] lb source_live
  P: Begin copying live-build configuration...
with not much reported inbetween.
Less than a minute before this time the ISO was produced.

Further i see a potential slow network connection at the very end.
  [2024-06-17 06:32:48] lb chroot_archives source remove
  P: Deconfiguring file /etc/apt/sources.list
  Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie InRelease [169 kB]
  ...
  Get:13 http://deb.debian.org/debian trixie/non-free-firmware Icons (64x64) 
[29 B]
  Fetched 40.9 MB in 31min 26s (21.7 kB/s)
  Reading package lists...
  [2024-06-17 07:04:19] lb chroot_hostname remove


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Planning for 12.7/11.11

[Salvatore Bonaccorso]

Hi Jonathan,

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 10:35:35PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> A finally-final point release is required for bullseye, and we're a bit
> constrained on dates. The security team (CC) wish to cease security support
> from Wednesday 14th August and hand over to LTS as soon as a wash-up release
> can be organised.
> 
> The weekend of 24th August is unworkable. That leaves two options:
> 
>  - Saturday 17th August: this would mean freezing on the 10th, before
>security support ends, so the security team's cooperation in keeping
>non-critical DSAs off the table during the freeze period would be
>required

Sure, you will have our full cooperation; this will be fine from our
side and keeping non-critical DSAs off the table as needed.

Rgards,
Salvatore

Re: Planning for 12.7/11.11

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 10:35:35PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> A finally-final point release is required for bullseye, and we're a bit
> constrained on dates. The security team (CC) wish to cease security support
> from Wednesday 14th August and hand over to LTS as soon as a wash-up release
> can be organised.
> 
> The weekend of 24th August is unworkable. That leaves two options:
> 
>  - Saturday 17th August: this would mean freezing on the 10th, before
>security support ends, so the security team's cooperation in keeping
>non-critical DSAs off the table during the freeze period would be
>required
> 
>  - Saturday 31st August: it's later than ideal, leaving a gap before LTS
>starts work, but that may be unavoidable.
> 

Should be able to do either of these.

> Most likely this will need to be a double release again to avoid version
> and cadence skew for bookworm.
> 

Good for consistency - boo for double amounts of work :(

> Please could you indicate your availability for these dates as soon as
> possible.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
All best, as ever,

Andy
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> -- 
> Jonathan Wiltshire  j...@debian.org
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Re: Mini-DebConf in Cambridge, UK - October 10-13 2024

[Luna Jernberg]

On 12/06/2024 10:04, Steve McIntyre wrote: Hi! 
We're organising another mini-DebConf in Cambridge this year! Arm is going to 
host the conference for 4 days in October: * 2 days for a mini-DebCamp (Thu 10 
- Fri 11), with space for dedicated development / sprint / team meetings. * 2 
days for a more regular mini-conf (Sat 12 - Sun 13) with space for more general 
talks, up to 80 people I'm also hoping to find sponsors again to cover some 
other costs for the conference - please contact me if you can help! I'm 
expecting that we will end up discussing and working on the arm ports and other 
Arm-related topics at the very least, but there's also plenty of scope for 
other subjects for both sprint work and talks. For more details and to sign up 
to attend, please visit the wiki page at 
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/gb/2024/MiniDebConfCambridge

Re: Planning for 12.7/11.11

[Cyril Brulebois]

Jonathan Wiltshire  (2024-06-20):
>  - Saturday 17th August: this would mean freezing on the 10th, before
>security support ends, so the security team's cooperation in keeping
>non-critical DSAs off the table during the freeze period would be
>required
> 
>  - Saturday 31st August: it's later than ideal, leaving a gap before LTS
>starts work, but that may be unavoidable.
> 
> Most likely this will need to be a double release again to avoid version
> and cadence skew for bookworm.
> 
> Please could you indicate your availability for these dates as soon as
> possible.

Both should work.


Cheers,
-- 
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Re: verify debian12 signature

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 09:40:03PM +0200, Franco Martelli wrote:
> On 14/06/24 at 17:26, Juan Manuel . wrote:
> > I'm sorry but it's complicated. Do you know anyone who can remotely
> > connect with me to guide me?

Existe tambien la lista de correos debian-user-spanish

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2024/06/threads.html

y el sitio Debian en castellano.

https://www.debian.org/index.es.html

Andy

[Pointing to Debian user spanish and Debian site in Spanish

(and top posting for speed and because the poster is using gmail).

> > 
> > *De:* Franco Martelli 
> > *Enviado:* jueves, 13 de junio de 2024 19:19
> > *Para:* debian-cd@lists.debian.org 
> > *Cc:* juanmanue...@hotmail.com 
> > *Asunto:* Re: verify debian12 signature
> > On 13/06/24 at 08:54, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > > Then i'd compute the SHA256 of the .iso file
> > >     sha256sum debian-12.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
> > > and compare it with the checksum string which is listed for the .iso file
> > > in SHA256SUMS.
> > 
> > The comparison can be done directly by "sha256sum" command using the
> > "-c" option. Download both .iso and SHA256SUMS files in the same
> > directory then use this command:
> > 
> > ~$ sha256sum --ignore-missing -c SHA256SUMS
> > debian-12.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso: OK
> > 
> > Cheers,
> 
> No, of course I don't know anyone who can help you.
> However if you aren't comfortable with the CLI (Command Line Interface) and
> you want to install Debian on your PC then you need a friend that already
> did that *or* you need a book to start with.
> 
> You can find a friend looking for a LUG (Linux User Group) near to the town
> where you live. e.g. in Google search for: "linux user group Spain" or
> "linux user group Madrid"
> 
> You can read this book:
> https://lescahiersdudebutant.arpinux.org/bookworm-en/
> 
> or if you like to go further, this:
> https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/index.html
> 
> There are also the on-line Debian's docs suitable for beginners:
> https://www.debian.org/doc/
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> -- 
> Franco Martelli
> 

Re: verify debian12 signature

[Franco Martelli]

On 14/06/24 at 17:26, Juan Manuel . wrote:
I'm sorry but it's complicated. Do you know anyone who can remotely 
connect with me to guide me?


*De:* Franco Martelli 
*Enviado:* jueves, 13 de junio de 2024 19:19
*Para:* debian-cd@lists.debian.org 
*Cc:* juanmanue...@hotmail.com 
*Asunto:* Re: verify debian12 signature
On 13/06/24 at 08:54, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Then i'd compute the SHA256 of the .iso file
    sha256sum debian-12.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
and compare it with the checksum string which is listed for the .iso file
in SHA256SUMS.


The comparison can be done directly by "sha256sum" command using the
"-c" option. Download both .iso and SHA256SUMS files in the same
directory then use this command:

~$ sha256sum --ignore-missing -c SHA256SUMS
debian-12.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso: OK

Cheers,


No, of course I don't know anyone who can help you.
However if you aren't comfortable with the CLI (Command Line Interface) 
and you want to install Debian on your PC then you need a friend that 
already did that *or* you need a book to start with.


You can find a friend looking for a LUG (Linux User Group) near to the 
town where you live. e.g. in Google search for: "linux user group Spain" 
or "linux user group Madrid"


You can read this book:
https://lescahiersdudebutant.arpinux.org/bookworm-en/

or if you like to go further, this:
https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/index.html

There are also the on-line Debian's docs suitable for beginners:
https://www.debian.org/doc/

Good luck!

--
Franco Martelli

Re: verify debian12 signature

[Franco Martelli]

On 13/06/24 at 08:54, Thomas Schmitt wrote:

Then i'd compute the SHA256 of the .iso file
   sha256sum debian-12.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
and compare it with the checksum string which is listed for the .iso file
in SHA256SUMS.


The comparison can be done directly by "sha256sum" command using the 
"-c" option. Download both .iso and SHA256SUMS files in the same 
directory then use this command:


~$ sha256sum --ignore-missing -c SHA256SUMS
debian-12.5.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso: OK

Cheers,
--
Franco Martelli

Re: verify debian12 signature

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Juan Manuel wrote:
> I have downloaded the latest version of debian12. I
> have the GNU4win program with kleopatra  but I don't know how to check the
> digital signature.

Do i get it right that you have an MS-Windows system ?
(And that by "GNU4win" you mean "GPG4win" ?)

If so, you need a program to compute a SHA256 or SHA512 checksum from
the downloaded .iso file and a program to verify the corresponding
SHA*SUMS file by its SHA*SUMS.sign file.

I'm not a user of MS-Windows, so i cannot recommend any software for those
tasks. If no other way would be to see, i'd consider to install WSL
and to do the verification by its help.
  https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Microsoft/Windows/SubsystemForLinux

In a Debian provided shell i would then do:
  gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign SHA256SUMS
which should yield one of the key fingerprints as listed on
  https://www.debian.org/CD/verify
Important will be these result statements:
  "Good signature from" ... "Debian" ...
  "Primary key fingerprint:" ... one of the listed fingerprints ...

Then i'd compute the SHA256 of the .iso file
  sha256sum debian-12.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso
and compare it with the checksum string which is listed for the .iso file
in SHA256SUMS.


Alternative ideas:

Maybe you can perform the .sign check similar to what
  
https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E17952_01/mysql-5.7-en/checking-gpg-signature-windows.html
proposes for "mysql-installer-community-5.7.44.msi" as payload file
(yours would be SHA256SUMS) and "mysql-installer-community-5.7.44.msi.asc"
as detached signature file (yours: SHA256SUMS.sign).

This page
  https://3d-imaging.co.uk/blog/verifying-sig-files-with-gpgp4win/
states that GPG4win would offer the command line tool to run
  gpg --verify gpg4win*.exe.sig gpg4win*.exe
(You'd just use file names SHA256SUMS.sign SHA256SUMS instead.)

As for computing the SHA256 sum of the .iso, i find on
  
https://www.pctipp.ch/praxis/windows-10/windows-10-sha256-hash-bordmitteln-pruefen-2507915.html
a proposal for PowerShell, which in your case would look like:
  Get-Filehash debian-12.5.0-amd64-netinst.iso -Algorithm SHA256


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Upcoming oldstable point release (11.10)

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 09:11:32PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> The next point release for "bullseye" (11.10) is scheduled for Saturday,
> February 10th. Processing of new uploads into bullseye-proposed-updates
> will be frozen during the preceding weekend.

The correct date for 11.10 is Saturday, 29th June 2024. Apologies for any
confusion.

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Re: Fwd: Fwd: Ideas

[Luna Jernberg]

Wanted to publicly mentioned i am taking a break until the 1th of August 2024
but did not think about that the whole backlog would be sent too, as i
was pretty stressed and was on a bus on my way to work
and this is the last email i will send in this matter for now, cya in 2 months

Den fre 7 juni 2024 kl 12:01 skrev Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org>:
>
> Argh.
>
> Why on earth did you forward this entire message to a public list?
>
> It's really difficult to trust you when you do things like this :-(
>
> On Fri, Jun 07, 2024 at 09:21:49AM +0200, Luna Jernberg wrote:
> >
> >-- Forwarded message -
> >Från: Luna Jernberg 
> >Date: fre 7 juni 2024 09:17
> >Subject: Re: Fwd: Ideas
> >To: Debian community team , Luna Jernberg <
> >droidbit...@gmail.com>, Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org>
> >Cc: , 
> >
> >
> >I have thinked a bit more and i am pretty burned out and swamped already as 
> >it
> >is so i am taking a break over this next release cycle and will try to be 
> >back
> >more refreshed in August again
> >
> >Den fre 7 juni 2024 08:02Luna Jernberg  skrev:
> >
> >Fair enough, that was mean from my side (but not much i can do about
> >something that happened a year ago other then being more nice in the
> >future)
> >but yeah i was pretty annoyed by the extra wait but yeah maybe i
> >should have gone away and done something else for a couple of hours
> >the next time
> >
> >and nope i don't have any logs whatsoever as i don't log my irc but i
> >am sure the ops (Khaytsus) in #linux and #linux-offtopic on Libera and
> >Icepic in #SLAYRadio @ EFnet
> >
> >Can give you a better picture (but i rather this drama stop to be
> >honest) and people that have nothing to do with it whatsoever like my
> >ex wife, kid and boyfriend don't get smitten innocently
> >and i don't have any plans to say sorry to someone who have harassed
> >my family so he will be on forever /ignore in my IRC client so if i
> >ever will help out with more Debian CD testing i will not even see
> >what he has to say
> >
> >Den fre 7 juni 2024 kl 00:16 skrev Steve McIntyre <93...@debian.org>:
> >>
> >> Hi Luna!
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 05, 2024 at 02:41:01PM +0200, Luna Jernberg wrote:
> >> >Hey again!
> >> >
> >> >Guess he over interpreted that tenison as me harassing him but it was
> >> >not that all meant as that from my side (got a bit annoyed with things
> >> >taking extra time (extra hours) for a newcomer however) and guess that
> >> >was bad from my side
> >> >will try to get less annoyed in the future but what has happened has
> >> >happened sorry i don't have a time machine to Summer 2023)
> >> >
> >> >and as he dislikes me for personal reasons he was trying to dig up
> >> >that thing from July 2023 up to the air to make me seem bad
> >> >we talked earlier in June-July 2023 in #linux-offtopic on Libera (a
> >> >channel i am no longer in for reasons/people being toxic) and he
> >> >promised to read the instruction on how to test 12.1 for 2-3 weeks but
> >> >still did not follow the instructions clearly
> >>
> >> So, Martin has shared IRC logs with us. I can see some needlessly
> >> humiliating things there, for example:
> >>
> >> ...
> >> [2023-07-22 19:06:44]  maybe USB sticks and VMs are better then
> >burning
> >> optical media ;)
> >> [2023-07-22 19:07:30]  I may assist Rattus with this 
> > situation
> >with
> >> the wiki
> >> [2023-07-22 19:08:03]  Possibly using some kind of token
> >> [2023-07-22 19:09:19]  but The_Blode congrats to managing to
> >install
> >> Debian once in the same time i do it 14 times
> >> [2023-07-22 19:09:23]  :D
> >> [2023-07-22 19:10:21]  The_Blode: i don't want to see your web
> >code
> >> [2023-07-22 19:10:53]  Why?
> >> [2023-07-22 19:11:43]  just assuming its not going to be the 
> > best
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Does that match your recollection / logs? I don't know if you were
> >> trying humour, but would you feel welcomed as a new contributor if
> >> somebody said this kind of thing to you after your first attempts?
> >>
> >> You've mentioned a "personal vendetta" in earlier mail - do you have
> >> any evidence of that please? We're trying to get as complete and true
> >> a picture as possible.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Steve McIntyre  
> > 93...@debian.org
> >> Debian Community Team   
> > commun...@debian.org
> >>
> >
> --
> Steve McIntyre  93...@debian.org
> Debian Community Team   commun...@debian.org
>

Re: Latest Testing netinstaller not booting

[Steve McIntyre]

Hi!

On Fri, Jun 07, 2024 at 01:13:38PM +0200, Jean-Louis Emeraud wrote:
>Hello Debian CD team.
>I wanted to report on the fact that the latest build (as of June 7th)
>doesn't boot UEFI Q35 on KVM with virt-manager. The UEFI binary is
>provided by Gentoo.
>
>The image fails to boot with the error message "Failed to execute /init"
>I have checked hashes and they match.
>
>Yesterday's last build (June 6th) runs fine.
>
>Concerned build :
>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/20240607-3/amd64/iso-cd/
>Tested working build :
>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/20240606-7/amd64/iso-cd/.

ACK, thanks for reporting!

We found this in CI too
(https://openqa.debian.net/tests/269776#step/_boot_to_debianinstaller/5)
and people are working on a fix now.

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  note stuck to the mini-bar saying "Paul: This fridge and
  fittings are the correct way around and do not need altering"

Re: Planning for 12.6/11.10

[Adam D. Barratt]

press@ - please could you comment on the dates proposed below

Thanks,

Adam

On Mon, 2024-05-27 at 13:07 +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The final bullseye point release 11.10 (and therefore also 12.6 for
> versioning) should be soon after 10th June, when security team
> support
> will end.
> 
> Please indicate availability for:
> 
>   Saturday 15th June
>   Saturday 22nd June
>   Saturday 29th June
> 
> Thanks,
> 

Re: Planning for 12.6/11.10

[Mark Hymers]

On Mon, 27, May, 2024 at 01:07:17PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire spoke thus..
> The final bullseye point release 11.10 (and therefore also 12.6 for
> versioning) should be soon after 10th June, when security team support
> will end.
> 
> Please indicate availability for:
> 
>   Saturday 15th June
>   Saturday 22nd June
>   Saturday 29th June

Hi,

I think I can do any of those as long as we lock it in soon so that I
know.

Thanks,

Mark

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Re: Planning for 12.6/11.10

[Adam D. Barratt]

On Mon, 2024-05-27 at 13:07 +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> The final bullseye point release 11.10 (and therefore also 12.6 for
> versioning) should be soon after 10th June, when security team
> support
> will end.
> 
> Please indicate availability for:
> 
>   Saturday 15th June
>   Saturday 22nd June
>   Saturday 29th June

Any of these should work for me currently, but I would prefer either
the 22nd or 29th.

Regards,

Adam

Re: Planning for 12.6/11.10

[Emyr Williams]

I can do all bar the 22nd of June, plan to be home in Wales for that one.


Emyr

On 27/05/2024 13:07, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

Hi,

The final bullseye point release 11.10 (and therefore also 12.6 for
versioning) should be soon after 10th June, when security team support
will end.

Please indicate availability for:

   Saturday 15th June
   Saturday 22nd June
   Saturday 29th June

Thanks,

Re: Planning for 12.6/11.10

[Cyril Brulebois]

Steve McIntyre  (2024-05-27):
> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 01:07:17PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > Please indicate availability for:
> >
> >   Saturday 15th June
> >   Saturday 22nd June
> >   Saturday 29th June
> 
> Any of those are feasible for me.

Ditto.


Cheers,
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D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant


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Re: Planning for 12.6/11.10

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 01:07:17PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The final bullseye point release 11.10 (and therefore also 12.6 for
> versioning) should be soon after 10th June, when security team support
> will end.
> 
> Please indicate availability for:
> 
>   Saturday 15th June
>   Saturday 22nd June
>   Saturday 29th June
> 

I should be able to do any of these three at the moment.

Andy Cater
[amaca...@debian.org]

> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Wiltshire  j...@debian.org
> Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw
> 
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> 

Re: Planning for 12.6/11.10

[Steve McIntyre]

On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 01:07:17PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>Hi,
>
>The final bullseye point release 11.10 (and therefore also 12.6 for
>versioning) should be soon after 10th June, when security team support
>will end.
>
>Please indicate availability for:
>
>  Saturday 15th June
>  Saturday 22nd June
>  Saturday 29th June

Any of those are feasible for me.

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"Every time you use Tcl, God kills a kitten." -- Malcolm Ray

Re: Planning for 12.6/11.10

[Luna Jernberg]

15th and 22th June works for me
10th June collides with WWDC 2024 for me (Online or the Stockholm
event have not decided yet) and 29th June i am at the openSUSE
Conference 2024 in Nuremberg, Germany and helping out in person

Den mån 27 maj 2024 kl 13:07 skrev Jonathan Wiltshire :
>
> Hi,
>
> The final bullseye point release 11.10 (and therefore also 12.6 for
> versioning) should be soon after 10th June, when security team support
> will end.
>
> Please indicate availability for:
>
>   Saturday 15th June
>   Saturday 22nd June
>   Saturday 29th June
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Jonathan Wiltshire  j...@debian.org
> Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw
>
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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

Jonathan Wiltshire  (2024-04-21):
> Too late now in any case. SRMs will regroup and decide whether we push
> for one in May or just wait for June anyway.

June is 10 days away. Do we have any kind of tentative schedule?


Cheers,
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Re: How to create a custom Debian ISO

[Aditya Garg]

Well it's indeed not as easy as I thought as far as Debian ISOs are concerned.

I'll try to be more precise. I am a maintainer for Ubuntu on Linux on T2 Macs 
project: https://t2linux.org/.

We work to modify ISOs of commonly used distros by adding a custom kernel with 
drivers for T2 Macs and provide to the users. There has been a demand for 
Debian for a long time and I wish to provide the ISOs for the same. I would 
prefer making the ISO as similar to the official Debian ISO and just replace 
the Debian kernel with the customised kernel.

I've already set up an apt repo which hosts the kernels over here: 
https://github.com/AdityaGarg8/t2-ubuntu-repo

I'll be thankful if I get the best possible option.

On 11 May 2024, at 8:33 PM, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:

Hi,

Aditya Garg wrote to debian-devel:
I wanted to create a custom ISO of Debian, with the following customisations:
1. I want to add a custom kernel that supports my Hardware.
2. I want to add my own Apt repo which hosts various software packages to
support my hardware.
I am not able to get any good documentation for the same. Please help.

Marvin Renich wrote:
The package live-build from the Debian Live project might help you do
what you want.

Indeed the live-build package seems to be in use outside Debian's own
ISO production. Mailing list is
 debian-l...@lists.debian.org
There exists a manual
 https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/index.en.html

Installation ISOs are made by package debian-cd, of which i am not aware
that it would have have users outside the official ISO production.i
Mailing list is
 debian-cd@lists.debian.org
Your impression about lack of documentation is not wrong as far as this
project is concerned. :))


Nevertheless the production step of packing up the ISO from a prepared
file tree is documented together with methods to use a Debian installation
ISO as base for the preparation:
 https://wiki.debian.org/RepackBootableISO

Packages may probably be added at the appropriate place in the directory
tree under /pool. (Managing a Debian repo is not my turf. Sorry for
being vague here.)

Changing the content of a Debian ISO might need some follow-up work in
administrative files of the ISO.
When merging Debian ISOs, my script
 
https://dev.lovelyhq.com/libburnia/libisoburn/raw/branch/master/test/merge_debian_isos
manipulates:
 /README.txt
 /dists/*/Release
and merges the files listed in /dists/*/Release.
You would have to explore whether these files are affected by your
changes.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Package "usr-is-merged" is reported as missing in Debian Live ISO 12.5 (debian-live-12.5.0-amd64-lxqt.iso) during installation with live-installer/enable=false

[Computer Enthusiastic]

Hello,

On 02/05/2024 08:07, Roland Clobus wrote:

Hello,

On 01/05/2024 23:43, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Thanks Cyril for passing along the mail to the debian-live mailing list.


Computer Enthusiastic  (2024-05-01):

The "Normal" [0] Debian Installer included in Debian Live ISO 12.5
(debian-live-12.5.0-amd64-lxqt.iso) fails the installation of the base
system  when started with the following preseed parameters:

live-installer/enable=false firmware=never

The Debian installer stops deboostrap with the following error

Could not find these debs: usr-is-merged

The installation of the base system is not completed even if the
base-install step is repeated.


You have provided 2 kernel options, both of which are not regularly 
tested. Effectively, you are running a live image with the netinst 
installer settings. The debootstrap phase only uses the packages from 
the image, even though the network has already been detected.


I'll mark this on the todo page. For the short term, you can use the 
netinst image instead.


With kind regards,
Roland Clobus


Thank you.

Re: Package "usr-is-merged" is reported as missing in Debian Live ISO 12.5 (debian-live-12.5.0-amd64-lxqt.iso) during installation with live-installer/enable=false

[Roland Clobus]

Hello,

On 01/05/2024 23:43, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
Thanks Cyril for passing along the mail to the debian-live mailing list.


Computer Enthusiastic  (2024-05-01):

The "Normal" [0] Debian Installer included in Debian Live ISO 12.5
(debian-live-12.5.0-amd64-lxqt.iso) fails the installation of the base
system  when started with the following preseed parameters:

live-installer/enable=false firmware=never

The Debian installer stops deboostrap with the following error

Could not find these debs: usr-is-merged

The installation of the base system is not completed even if the
base-install step is repeated.


You have provided 2 kernel options, both of which are not regularly 
tested. Effectively, you are running a live image with the netinst 
installer settings. The debootstrap phase only uses the packages from 
the image, even though the network has already been detected.


I'll mark this on the todo page. For the short term, you can use the 
netinst image instead.


With kind regards,
Roland Clobus


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Re: Package "usr-is-merged" is reported as missing in Debian Live ISO 12.5 (debian-live-12.5.0-amd64-lxqt.iso) during installation with live-installer/enable=false

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hello,

And thanks for the report.

Cc += debian-live@

Computer Enthusiastic  (2024-05-01):
> The "Normal" [0] Debian Installer included in Debian Live ISO 12.5
> (debian-live-12.5.0-amd64-lxqt.iso) fails the installation of the base
> system  when started with the following preseed parameters:
> 
>   live-installer/enable=false firmware=never
> 
> The Debian installer stops deboostrap with the following error
> 
>   Could not find these debs: usr-is-merged
> 
> The installation of the base system is not completed even if the
> base-install step is repeated.
> 
> The syslog contains:
> 
> [..]
> May  1 17:17:12 main-menu[440]: INFO: Menu item 'bootstrap-base' selected
> May  1 17:17:13 debootstrap: /usr/sbin/debootstrap --components=main
> --debian-installer --resolve-deps --no-check-gpg bookworm /target
> file:///cdrom/
> May  1 17:18:26 base-installer: error: exiting on error
> base-installer/debootstrap-failed
> May  1 17:19:22 main-menu[440]: WARNING **: Configuring 'bootstrap-base'
> failed with error code 1
> May  1 17:19:22 main-menu[440]: WARNING **: Menu item 'bootstrap-base'
> failed.
> [..]
> 
> The package "usr-is-merged"
> (https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/usr-is-merged) is missing in
> /cdrom/pool/main/u :
> 
> ls -l /cdrom/pool/main/u/
> dr-xr-xr-x1 root root  2048 Feb 10 11:07 ucf
> dr-xr-xr-x1 root root  2048 Feb 10 11:07 usrmerge
> 
> Which package should I report to the bug tracking system ?
> 
> Let me know if I can help.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --
> [0] 
> https://live-team.pages.debian.net/live-manual/html/live-manual/customizing-installer.en.html
> 

Cheers,
-- 
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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 05:44:48PM +0100, Andy Simpkins wrote:
> 
> On 21/04/2024 01:57, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 10:58:41PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > > > Hiya!
> > > > 
> > > > Not wanting to pester *too* much, but where are we up to?
> > > > 
> > > Right now I can still have 27th April on the cards but we're missing FTP 
> > > and
> > > press. It's next week, we'd have to know this weekend and get frozen.
> > > Mark indicated "maybe" and no answer from press.
> > > 
> > > If that date works please reply urgently otherwise we're looking into May
> > > and possibly just skipping to line up with the final bullseye anyway.
> > It works for me, I guess. Dunno about other folks.
> > 
> 
> I can still do 27th but as I have already stated Isy is now unavailable
> until July due to exams.
> 
> Please can we make a decision by Tuesday otherwise I'll end up doing
> something else

Too late now in any case. SRMs will regroup and decide whether we push for
one in May or just wait for June anyway.


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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Andy Simpkins]

On 21/04/2024 01:57, Steve McIntyre wrote:

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 10:58:41PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Hiya!

Not wanting to pester *too* much, but where are we up to?


Right now I can still have 27th April on the cards but we're missing FTP and
press. It's next week, we'd have to know this weekend and get frozen.
Mark indicated "maybe" and no answer from press.

If that date works please reply urgently otherwise we're looking into May
and possibly just skipping to line up with the final bullseye anyway.

It works for me, I guess. Dunno about other folks.



I can still do 27th but as I have already stated Isy is now unavailable 
until July due to exams.


Please can we make a decision by Tuesday otherwise I'll end up doing 
something else



/Andy

Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Emyr Williams]

I'm free, happy to travel to Cambridge or do it from home.

Emyr

On 21/04/2024 07:43, Luna Jernberg wrote:

as i indicated on IRC 27th April works for me
May does not really work for me however

Den sön 21 apr. 2024 kl 02:58 skrev Steve McIntyre :

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 10:58:41PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:

Hiya!

Not wanting to pester *too* much, but where are we up to?


Right now I can still have 27th April on the cards but we're missing FTP and
press. It's next week, we'd have to know this weekend and get frozen.
Mark indicated "maybe" and no answer from press.

If that date works please reply urgently otherwise we're looking into May
and possibly just skipping to line up with the final bullseye anyway.

It works for me, I guess. Dunno about other folks.

--
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“Changing random stuff until your program works is bad coding
  practice, but if you do it fast enough it’s Machine Learning.”
-- https://twitter.com/manisha72617183

Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Luna Jernberg]

as i indicated on IRC 27th April works for me
May does not really work for me however

Den sön 21 apr. 2024 kl 02:58 skrev Steve McIntyre :
>
> On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> >On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 10:58:41PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >> Hiya!
> >>
> >> Not wanting to pester *too* much, but where are we up to?
> >>
> >
> >Right now I can still have 27th April on the cards but we're missing FTP and
> >press. It's next week, we'd have to know this weekend and get frozen.
> >Mark indicated "maybe" and no answer from press.
> >
> >If that date works please reply urgently otherwise we're looking into May
> >and possibly just skipping to line up with the final bullseye anyway.
>
> It works for me, I guess. Dunno about other folks.
>
> --
> Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com
> “Changing random stuff until your program works is bad coding
>  practice, but if you do it fast enough it’s Machine Learning.”
>-- https://twitter.com/manisha72617183
>

Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 10:58:41PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > Hiya!
> > 
> > Not wanting to pester *too* much, but where are we up to?
> > 
> 
> Right now I can still have 27th April on the cards but we're missing FTP and
> press. It's next week, we'd have to know this weekend and get frozen.
> Mark indicated "maybe" and no answer from press.
> 
> If that date works please reply urgently otherwise we're looking into May
> and possibly just skipping to line up with the final bullseye anyway.
> 

Works for me: it's possible I won't get across to Cambridge but help with image 
release here 

Andy

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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Steve McIntyre]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 05:41:13PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 10:58:41PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> Hiya!
>> 
>> Not wanting to pester *too* much, but where are we up to?
>> 
>
>Right now I can still have 27th April on the cards but we're missing FTP and
>press. It's next week, we'd have to know this weekend and get frozen.
>Mark indicated "maybe" and no answer from press.
>
>If that date works please reply urgently otherwise we're looking into May
>and possibly just skipping to line up with the final bullseye anyway.

It works for me, I guess. Dunno about other folks.

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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 10:58:41PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hiya!
> 
> Not wanting to pester *too* much, but where are we up to?
> 

Right now I can still have 27th April on the cards but we're missing FTP and
press. It's next week, we'd have to know this weekend and get frozen.
Mark indicated "maybe" and no answer from press.

If that date works please reply urgently otherwise we're looking into May
and possibly just skipping to line up with the final bullseye anyway.


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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Steve McIntyre]

Hiya!

Not wanting to pester *too* much, but where are we up to?

On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 10:53:49PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 01:07:27PM +0100, Adam Barratt wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>As we had to postpone 12.6, let's look at alternative dates.
>>
>>April 13th
>>- Not great for me for personal reasons, mhy previously said no. I
>>could probably do if need be
>
>Works for me.
>
>>April 20th
>>- Doesn't work for me; I'm away from the Tuesday before until late on
>>the Friday
>
>Works for me.
>
>>April 27th
>>- Doesn't work for me; I have a pre-existing appointment which means
>>I'll be AFK much of the day
>
>Works for me.
>
>>May 4th
>>- Apparently doesn't work for me; long weekend in the UK
>>
>
>Works for me.
>
>>May 11th
>>- Should work for me
>
>Nope, already booked for that Saturday.
>
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Re: Progress on t64 transition -> building the installer in sid

[Philip Hands]

Cyril Brulebois  writes:

> Philip Hands  (2024-04-15):
>> On the other hand, it's taken over a month so far. Rather than living in
>> hope for another month, I thought it might be worth removing this as a
>> blocker (I've had to tell a couple of people that they'll need to wait
>> before they can do their salsa-CI tests :-/ )
>
> I'm not suggesting living in hope, I'm suggesting to get the ball rolling.
>
> The commit lists #1066070, which was a duplicate (because -ECOFFEE) of
> #1066069, which got fixed rather quickly. So what we would need are
> rebuilds of the reverse dependencies (which I haven't checked right now
> would be sufficient to get them fixed), which one could request on the
> release team side.

Oh, I seem to have managed to overlook the bit with you closing it.
Sorry about that. Anyway, that's encouraging.

If I can work out what needs prodding, and where to prod, I'll give it a
go.

> Regarding #1066071, that needs a fix in the package first. Looking at
> tracker, it's not migrating any time soon as far as I can see (due to
> regressions on 32-bit arms), and I'm not sure how fixing the udeb would
> interfere there. So one could start with an upload.

I had looked at fixing that, but didn't immediately know in which
direction the mismatch should be resolved which convinced me that I
probably don't know enough about the background to be doing NMUs.

Which is what lead me to try working around it instead.

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: Progress on t64 transition -> building the installer in sid

[Cyril Brulebois]

Philip Hands  (2024-04-15):
> On the other hand, it's taken over a month so far. Rather than living in
> hope for another month, I thought it might be worth removing this as a
> blocker (I've had to tell a couple of people that they'll need to wait
> before they can do their salsa-CI tests :-/ )

I'm not suggesting living in hope, I'm suggesting to get the ball rolling.

The commit lists #1066070, which was a duplicate (because -ECOFFEE) of
#1066069, which got fixed rather quickly. So what we would need are
rebuilds of the reverse dependencies (which I haven't checked right now
would be sufficient to get them fixed), which one could request on the
release team side.

Regarding #1066071, that needs a fix in the package first. Looking at
tracker, it's not migrating any time soon as far as I can see (due to
regressions on 32-bit arms), and I'm not sure how fixing the udeb would
interfere there. So one could start with an upload.


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Re: Progress on t64 transition -> building the installer in sid

[Philip Hands]

Cyril Brulebois  writes:

> Philip Hands  (2024-04-14):
>> I realised that there might be a way to kludge around the current D-I
>> build failures, so I gave it a try and it seems to work:
>> 
>>   
>> https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer/-/merge_requests/45
>> 
>> That creates dummy udebs with the missing names, where each depends upon
>> the matching udeb that actually exists. Dropping them into localudebs.
>> 
>> That's enough to get D-I to build in salsa pipelines, such that one gets
>> a mini-ISO to test.
>> 
>> It may be enough to get D-I and debian-cd back to the point where we can
>> produce daily images etc. but I'm not completely sure about that bit
>> (perhaps the use of localudebs is enough to make debian-cd grumpy?)
>> 
>> Anyway, it's currently broken anyway, so perhaps it's worth giving it a
>> go, and then reverting the commit once the proper fixes become
>> available.
>> 
>> What do you think?
>
> I'd rather see actual progress in getting packages fixed. So far I haven't
> been chasing because I thought people would be busy rebuilding the world, in
> the right order, and patching things along, but I had hoped to get *some*
> kind of feedback after filing those bug reports and putting people driving
> changes in the loop.

I too had rather hoped that it would already have been fixed by now.

On the other hand, it's taken over a month so far. Rather than living in
hope for another month, I thought it might be worth removing this as a
blocker (I've had to tell a couple of people that they'll need to wait
before they can do their salsa-CI tests :-/ )

I can just tell branch2repo to use the 'philh' D-I repo in the mean
time, and that'll fix the salsa-CI side of things, but that doesn't help
debian-cd or people's ability to build D-I locally.

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: Progress on t64 transition -> building the installer in sid

[Cyril Brulebois]

Philip Hands  (2024-04-14):
> I realised that there might be a way to kludge around the current D-I
> build failures, so I gave it a try and it seems to work:
> 
>   https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer/-/merge_requests/45
> 
> That creates dummy udebs with the missing names, where each depends upon
> the matching udeb that actually exists. Dropping them into localudebs.
> 
> That's enough to get D-I to build in salsa pipelines, such that one gets
> a mini-ISO to test.
> 
> It may be enough to get D-I and debian-cd back to the point where we can
> produce daily images etc. but I'm not completely sure about that bit
> (perhaps the use of localudebs is enough to make debian-cd grumpy?)
> 
> Anyway, it's currently broken anyway, so perhaps it's worth giving it a
> go, and then reverting the commit once the proper fixes become
> available.
> 
> What do you think?

I'd rather see actual progress in getting packages fixed. So far I haven't
been chasing because I thought people would be busy rebuilding the world, in
the right order, and patching things along, but I had hoped to get *some*
kind of feedback after filing those bug reports and putting people driving
changes in the loop.


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Re: Progress on t64 transition -> building the installer in sid

[Philip Hands]

Hi,

I realised that there might be a way to kludge around the current D-I
build failures, so I gave it a try and it seems to work:

  https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/debian-installer/-/merge_requests/45

That creates dummy udebs with the missing names, where each depends upon
the matching udeb that actually exists. Dropping them into localudebs.

That's enough to get D-I to build in salsa pipelines, such that one gets
a mini-ISO to test.

It may be enough to get D-I and debian-cd back to the point where we can
produce daily images etc. but I'm not completely sure about that bit
(perhaps the use of localudebs is enough to make debian-cd grumpy?)

Anyway, it's currently broken anyway, so perhaps it's worth giving it a
go, and then reverting the commit once the proper fixes become
available.

What do you think?

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Luna Jernberg]

13th April = does not work for me, going to my brother in Borås to
later go to foss-north 2024 in Gothenburg
20th and 27th April works for me
4th of May does not work for me will be at Curl-up Curl developer
conference here in Stockholm
11th of May might maybe work for me, but might also want to watch the
stream if X worlds biggest Commodore 64 demoparty or Outline Atari
demoparty in the Netherlands have a stream this year (not sure if they
are streaming or not yet)

Den mån 1 apr. 2024 kl 14:07 skrev Adam D. Barratt :
>
> Hi,
>
> As we had to postpone 12.6, let's look at alternative dates.
>
> April 13th
> - Not great for me for personal reasons, mhy previously said no. I
> could probably do if need be
>
> April 20th
> - Doesn't work for me; I'm away from the Tuesday before until late on
> the Friday
>
> April 27th
> - Doesn't work for me; I have a pre-existing appointment which means
> I'll be AFK much of the day
>
> May 4th
> - Apparently doesn't work for me; long weekend in the UK
>
> May 11th
> - Should work for me
>
> Regards,
>
> Adam
>

Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 01:07:27PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As we had to postpone 12.6, let's look at alternative dates.
> 

Can do all, I think,

Andy
(amaca...@debian.org)
> 
> Adam
> 

Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Mike Hosken]

Just one thing could you please pull all world wide repos so the repos that are 
new are there and defunct repositories don’t appear. My repositories have been 
registered repositories for years and newer been in one release 
Mike Hosken 
Sent via my iPhone 

> On 3 Apr 2024, at 08:40, Jonathan Wiltshire  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 01:07:27PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
>> April 13th
>> April 20th
>> April 27th
> 
> At current progress I expect to be available for the SRM side 13th or 27th.
> We're in a good position to freeze this weekend to make the 13th, if others
> are available then.
> 
> The 20th is a no for me.
> 
>> May 4th
>> May 11th
> 
> Currently OK for me.
> 
> Though as soon as we're heading into the middle of May we might as well
> wait for the next cadence in June.
> 
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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Steve McIntyre]

On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 01:07:27PM +0100, Adam Barratt wrote:
>Hi,
>
>As we had to postpone 12.6, let's look at alternative dates.
>
>April 13th
>- Not great for me for personal reasons, mhy previously said no. I
>could probably do if need be

Works for me.

>April 20th
>- Doesn't work for me; I'm away from the Tuesday before until late on
>the Friday

Works for me.

>April 27th
>- Doesn't work for me; I have a pre-existing appointment which means
>I'll be AFK much of the day

Works for me.

>May 4th
>- Apparently doesn't work for me; long weekend in the UK
>

Works for me.

>May 11th
>- Should work for me

Nope, already booked for that Saturday.

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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 01:07:27PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> April 13th
> April 20th
> April 27th

At current progress I expect to be available for the SRM side 13th or 27th.
We're in a good position to freeze this weekend to make the 13th, if others
are available then.

The 20th is a no for me.

> May 4th
> May 11th

Currently OK for me.

Though as soon as we're heading into the middle of May we might as well
wait for the next cadence in June. 

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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Mark Hymers]

Hi,

On Mon, 01, Apr, 2024 at 01:07:27PM +0100, Adam D. Barratt spoke thus..
> April 13th
> - Not great for me for personal reasons, mhy previously said no. I
> could probably do if need be

13th is completely out for me.

> May 11th
> - Should work for me

Looks like it'll work at present.

Thanks,

Mark

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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

Adam D. Barratt  (2024-04-01):
> As we had to postpone 12.6, let's look at alternative dates.

I should be able to make anything work.
 

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Re: Re-planning for 12.6

[Andy Simpkins]

On 01/04/2024 13:07, Adam D. Barratt wrote:

Hi,

As we had to postpone 12.6, let's look at alternative dates.

April 13th
- Not great for me for personal reasons, mhy previously said no. I
could probably do if need be

April 20th
- Doesn't work for me; I'm away from the Tuesday before until late on
the Friday

April 27th
- Doesn't work for me; I have a pre-existing appointment which means
I'll be AFK much of the day

May 4th
- Apparently doesn't work for me; long weekend in the UK

May 11th
- Should work for me

Regards,

Adam



Hi all,

May the 11th is fine for me.  Sorry we will not get an Isy as she will 
be deep into her exams by then. But we'll be ok, given this is just 12.6 
(and not a double release)



/Andy

Re-planning for 12.6

[Adam D. Barratt]

Hi,

As we had to postpone 12.6, let's look at alternative dates.

April 13th
- Not great for me for personal reasons, mhy previously said no. I
could probably do if need be

April 20th
- Doesn't work for me; I'm away from the Tuesday before until late on
the Friday

April 27th
- Doesn't work for me; I have a pre-existing appointment which means
I'll be AFK much of the day

May 4th
- Apparently doesn't work for me; long weekend in the UK

May 11th
- Should work for me

Regards,

Adam

Re: Upcoming stable point release (12.6)

[Andy Simpkins]

On 29/03/2024 22:34, Steve McIntyre wrote:

On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 10:24:09PM +, Adam Barratt wrote:

On Fri, 2024-02-16 at 17:35 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

The next point release for "bookworm" (12.6) is scheduled for
Saturday, April 6th. Processing of new uploads into bookworm-
proposed-updates will be frozen during the preceeding weekend.

Due to recent events, the point release has been postponed. A new date
will be announced when possible.

ACK, thanks for the update


Ack understood

Re: Upcoming stable point release (12.6)

[Steve McIntyre]

On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 10:24:09PM +, Adam Barratt wrote:
>On Fri, 2024-02-16 at 17:35 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>> The next point release for "bookworm" (12.6) is scheduled for
>> Saturday, April 6th. Processing of new uploads into bookworm-
>> proposed-updates will be frozen during the preceeding weekend.
>
>Due to recent events, the point release has been postponed. A new date
>will be announced when possible.

ACK, thanks for the update

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Re: Upcoming stable point release (12.6)

[Adam D. Barratt]

On Fri, 2024-02-16 at 17:35 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> The next point release for "bookworm" (12.6) is scheduled for
> Saturday, April 6th. Processing of new uploads into bookworm-
> proposed-updates will be frozen during the preceeding weekend.

Due to recent events, the point release has been postponed. A new date
will be announced when possible.

Regards,

Adam

Re: Where to download cd iso?

[Steve McIntyre]

On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 02:24:10PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Tatsu Takamaro wrote:
>> I've received my own message to you. But I don't see your answer...
>
>Well, i have't seen that message and the mailing list archive doesn't
>show it either:
>  https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2024/03/threads.html
>(The one i reply to is your follow-up:
>  https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2024/03/msg00022.html

I didn't see it either.

>> > I don't see the cd iso on the iso-cd page.
>> > I mean a usual one, not a netinst.
>
>I guess they have been discontinued because of the insane number of ISO
>images with 650 MB which would emerge. (I estimate ~ 130 pieces.)

Exactly. Single CDs are just too small to be useful for most things
now. We only just manage to fit the "netinst" into a single CD these
days.

>The smallest granularity seems to be the ~4.5 GB sized DVD images which
>are available via Jigdo download:
>  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-dvd/
>21 pieces.

Yup.

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Re: Where to download cd iso?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Tatsu Takamaro wrote:
> I've received my own message to you. But I don't see your answer...

Well, i have't seen that message and the mailing list archive doesn't
show it either:
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2024/03/threads.html
(The one i reply to is your follow-up:
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2024/03/msg00022.html
)


> > I don't see the cd iso on the iso-cd page.
> > I mean a usual one, not a netinst.

I guess they have been discontinued because of the insane number of ISO
images with 650 MB which would emerge. (I estimate ~ 130 pieces.)

The smallest granularity seems to be the ~4.5 GB sized DVD images which
are available via Jigdo download:
  https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/jigdo-dvd/
21 pieces.


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Where to download cd iso?

[Tatsu Takamaro]

I've received my own message to you. But I don't see your answer...



вт, 26.03.2024 20:25, Tatsu Takamaro пишет:

I don't see the cd iso on the iso-cd page.
I mean a usual one, not a netinst.

Re: Bug#902668: Draft for rewrite of https://www.debian.org/CD/verify

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

Tassia Camoes Araujo  (2024-03-25):
> I've reviewed the proposed patch, and I think it should be applied as
> soon as possible.
> 
> It seems Laura was waiting for a final review before applying this patch
> (long overdue!), which IMHO would bring much more clarity to the image
> verification process (usually, a big struggle to new users).
> 
> We should make a decision about the long key IDs request (points 1 and 2
> from #851541), and once those changes go online, I think both bugs could
> be closed (#902668 and #851541).
> 
> Thanks for all who have invested energy to clarify this process, and I
> hope we can benefit from your work very soon!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tassia. 

Cc += debian-cd@ for information.


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Re: problems with amd64 testing images

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

Jogi Hofmüller  (2024-03-24):
> I just failed to install debian testing using the latest
> debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso. for amd64 this has two problems:
> 
> 1) it misses at least libaio.so so pvcreate does not run and I cannot set up
> the disk as planned
> 2) it is more than 2 weeks old (2024-03-09) and there are no newer images
> for amd64

Some pointers:
 - https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2024/02/msg5.html
 - https://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2024/03/msg00013.html

> Please CC when replying since I am not on the list

Done.


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Re: lvm2 udebs vs. libaio1-udeb (was: Progress on t64 transition -> building the installer in sid)

[Guillem Jover]

Hi!

On Thu, 2024-03-21 at 23:13:31 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Cyril Brulebois  (2024-03-21):
> > I'm a bit conflicted about what to do here. At the moment, libaio1-udeb
> > is the only udeb with t64 (at least according to the output of
> > `apt-file search -Iudeb t64`); but a rebuild of the reverse dependencies
> > would be sufficient (and might happen at some point anyway).
> > 
> > For the sake of consistency, I think I'm tempted to suggest a revert of
> > the udeb part (it wasn't renamed so there's a contents vs. package name
> > mismatch anyway).
> 
> Checking libaio's changelog (last mail got sent a little too fast,
> sorry) is enlightening: this library required special attention and
> wasn't just about getting rebuilt with a different package name.
> 
>   
> https://tracker.debian.org/news/1509816/accepted-libaio-03113-6-source-into-unstable/
> 
> Guillem is absolutely right regarding avoiding the roundtrip to NEW and
> d-i's not caring, but some kind of heads-up to debian-boot@ (now cc'd)
> would have been welcome.

Ah, sorry, the heads-up part didn't cross my mind, as I guess I
assumed transitory breakage was expected as part of that transition,
and that it would auto-heal after the release-team would trigger the
necessary binNMUs. Will try to have that in mind in the future. (I'll
do so as well once/if I revert the libaio SONAME bump, even though there
I'd be planning to add backwards compatibility symlinks if the ABI does
not change from what upstream accepts.)

Thanks,
Guillem

Re: Progress on t64 transition -> building the installer in sid

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

Roland Clobus  (2024-03-21):
> On 21/03/2024 15:58, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

[…]

> The diagram shows nicely that the t64-transition is affecting the
> installer, with currently 1 major bottleneck, libpng16-16t64-udeb:
> https://d-i.debian.org/dose/graph-unstable-amd64.png

Glad you like it, those have been quite useful a very long while back;
it's been a while since the last time we had such a huge archive-wide
transition…

> > Do you have more details? That thing doesn't exist, but libaio.so.1
> > does (different suffix order).
> 
> My bad, I reversed the order when typing.

No worries, thanks for confirming.

> I've done some basic triaging in the openQA comment:
> https://openqa.debian.net/tests/244163#comments
> 
> The installer fails here:
> https://openqa.debian.net/tests/244163#step/grub/3
> 
> Some details are here (/var/log/syslog):
> https://openqa.debian.net/tests/244163#step/grub/35

Thanks, that's pvs from lvm2-udeb; for some reason libaio1-udeb got
t64-transitioned, and without an lvm2 rebuild, its tools will want the
non-t64 version.

I'm a bit conflicted about what to do here. At the moment, libaio1-udeb
is the only udeb with t64 (at least according to the output of
`apt-file search -Iudeb t64`); but a rebuild of the reverse dependencies
would be sufficient (and might happen at some point anyway).

For the sake of consistency, I think I'm tempted to suggest a revert of
the udeb part (it wasn't renamed so there's a contents vs. package name
mismatch anyway).

> > In any case, there are no reasons to complicate the t64 transition with
> > transitioning udebs, so I wouldn't be surprised if “images” (whatever
> > they are) built against old udebs would break if newer udebs are pulled
> > from the network.
> 
> The images I've spoken of are the daily-built Debian live ISO-images based
> on sid. They are built by Jenkins https://jenkins.debian.net/view/live/

OK, but what I meant to say is that the failure mode I was alluding to
isn't specific to d-i daily builds, or debian-cd builds, or live builds;
that's something that can happen, and might do until things stabilize.


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Re: Progress on t64 transition -> building the installer in sid

[Roland Clobus]

Hello Cyril, list,

On 21/03/2024 15:58, Cyril Brulebois wrote:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2024/03/msg00102.html


The diagram shows nicely that the t64-transition is affecting the 
installer, with currently 1 major bottleneck, libpng16-16t64-udeb:

https://d-i.debian.org/dose/graph-unstable-amd64.png


On openQA I've additionally seen that for Debian Edu, the installer fails
with the message that libaio.1.so is missing, so some udeb is probably also
requiring an update.


Do you have more details? That thing doesn't exist, but libaio.so.1
does (different suffix order).


My bad, I reversed the order when typing.

I've done some basic triaging in the openQA comment:
https://openqa.debian.net/tests/244163#comments

The installer fails here:
https://openqa.debian.net/tests/244163#step/grub/3

Some details are here (/var/log/syslog):
https://openqa.debian.net/tests/244163#step/grub/35


In any case, there are no reasons to complicate the t64 transition with
transitioning udebs, so I wouldn't be surprised if “images” (whatever
they are) built against old udebs would break if newer udebs are pulled
from the network.


The images I've spoken of are the daily-built Debian live ISO-images 
based on sid. They are built by Jenkins 
https://jenkins.debian.net/view/live/
Seeing the breakage on sid before the weekly-build installer breaks on 
trixie would be nice :-)


With kind regards,
Roland


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Re: Progress on t64 transition -> building the installer in sid

[Cyril Brulebois]

Roland Clobus  (2024-03-19):
> For the other images, the installer is currently failing to build from
> source, as some dependencies (in the udebs) are still missing (due to
> the t64-transition).
> 
> The latest message (from my local build_cdrom_gtk.log) is:
> 
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  libcairo2-udeb : Depends: libpng16-16t64-udeb (>= 1.6.2) but it is not
> installable
>  libfreetype6-udeb : Depends: libpng16-16t64-udeb (>= 1.6.2) but it is not
> installable
>  libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0-udeb : Depends: libpng16-16t64-udeb (>= 1.6.2) but it
> is not installable
>  libinput10-udeb : Depends: libmtdev1t64 but it is not installable

https://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2024/03/msg00102.html

> On openQA I've additionally seen that for Debian Edu, the installer fails
> with the message that libaio.1.so is missing, so some udeb is probably also
> requiring an update.

Do you have more details? That thing doesn't exist, but libaio.so.1
does (different suffix order).

In any case, there are no reasons to complicate the t64 transition with
transitioning udebs, so I wouldn't be surprised if “images” (whatever
they are) built against old udebs would break if newer udebs are pulled
from the network.


Cheers,
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Re: Jigdo files wrong?

[Steve McIntyre]

Hi Marcelo,

On Mon, Mar 04, 2024 at 12:25:49PM -0300, Marcelo B. wrote:
>Hi guys, there seem to be a problem with AMD64's jigdo files of the weekly
>builds: they're all the same at 120 bytes in size.

ACK, thanks for reporting. I'll take a look.

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Re: Planning for 12.6

[Mark Hymers]

On Mon, 12, Feb, 2024 at 06:04:17PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire spoke thus..
> Hi,
> 
> 12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability for:
> 
> 7  April
> 13 April
> 20 April

7th or 20th should be ok, but 13th is out for me.

Mark


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Re: Planning for 12.6

[Donald Norwood]

Hi,

On 2/12/24 17:28, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 06:04:17PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> 12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability for:
>>
>> 7  April
>> 13 April
>> 20 April
> 
> Any of those should work for me, assuming (re Adam) that you mean 6
> April and not 7 April.
> 

Same for Publicity, all dates are good to go.

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Re: Planning for 12.6

[Andy]

On 13 February 2024 14:30:50 GMT, Luna Jernberg  wrote:
>7th or 20th April should work for me
>13th i need to relax a bit before heading to foss-north 2024:
>https://foss-north.se/
>
>Den tis 13 feb. 2024 kl 07:56 skrev Cyril Brulebois :
>>
>> Jonathan Wiltshire  (2024-02-12):
>> > 12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability for:
>> >
>> > 6  April
>> > 13 April
>> > 20 April
>>
>> Any of those should work.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
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>> D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant
>
>

The 6th or 13th can work for both me and Isy.  Sorry the 20th is out for Isy as 
that's the start of her final exams for the IB


If you can let me know the decision date asap I can avoid going away that 
particular Easter weekend...

Thanks in advance 
/Andy

Re: Planning for 12.6

[Luna Jernberg]

7th or 20th April should work for me
13th i need to relax a bit before heading to foss-north 2024:
https://foss-north.se/

Den tis 13 feb. 2024 kl 07:56 skrev Cyril Brulebois :
>
> Jonathan Wiltshire  (2024-02-12):
> > 12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability for:
> >
> > 6  April
> > 13 April
> > 20 April
>
> Any of those should work.
>
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org)
> D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant

Re: Planning for 12.6

[Cyril Brulebois]

Jonathan Wiltshire  (2024-02-12):
> 12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability for:
> 
> 6  April
> 13 April
> 20 April

Any of those should work.


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Re: Planning for 12.6

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 06:29:36PM +, Adam D. Barratt wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-02-12 at 18:04 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > 12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability
> > for:
> > 
> > 7  April
> 
> I assume you mean the 6th here. That should be doable.

I did.

> > 13 April
> 
> Could work, but I would prefer not to for personal reasons.

I suspected as much :)

> > 20 April
> 
> I'll be returning from time abroad probably late the day before, so no
> from me.

Ok.


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Re: Planning for 12.6

[Steve McIntyre]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 06:04:17PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
>Hi,
>
>12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability for:
>
>7  April
>13 April
>20 April

Any of those should work for me, assuming (re Adam) that you mean 6
April and not 7 April.

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Re: Planning for 12.6

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 06:04:17PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability for:
> 
> 7  April
> 13 April
> 20 April
> 
> Thanks,
> 

Should be available for all these

Andy

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Re: Planning for 12.6

[Emyr Williams]

I'm pretty sure I'm ok for all those dates, but will confirm.


Emyr

On 12/02/2024 18:04, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

Hi,

12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability for:

7  April
13 April
20 April

Thanks,

Re: Planning for 12.6

[Adam D. Barratt]

On Mon, 2024-02-12 at 18:04 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> 12.6 should be around 10th April, so please indicate availability
> for:
> 
> 7  April

I assume you mean the 6th here. That should be doable.

> 13 April

Could work, but I would prefer not to for personal reasons.

> 20 April

I'll be returning from time abroad probably late the day before, so no
from me.

Regards,

Adam

Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Luna Jernberg]

you have to do the testing without me this weekend, still sick and
need to rest, rest of this week but will help out another time when i
feel better again

Den tors 8 feb. 2024 kl 07:55 skrev Luna Jernberg :
>
> Might have to back out sadly, have come up with sickness, but good
> luck in the testing, but can't promise i will help this round as i
> might need to rest sickness away
>
> Den ons 17 jan. 2024 kl 08:44 skrev Luna Jernberg :
> >
> > That should work for me
> >
> > Den ons 17 jan. 2024 kl 07:41 skrev Jonathan Wiltshire :
> > >
> > > > On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 21:25 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > > > > It's time to set a date for 12.5 (taking account of the emergency .4)
> > > > > and 11.9. I expect this to be the penultimate update for bullseye
> > > > > before LTS.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please indicate availability for:
> > > > >
> > > > >   Saturday  3rd February (preferred for cadence)
> > > > >   Saturday 10th February
> > > > >   Saturday 17th February
> > >
> > > Let's go for the 10th, announcements to follow.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jonathan Wiltshire  j...@debian.org
> > > Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw
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> > >

Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Luna Jernberg]

Might have to back out sadly, have come up with sickness, but good
luck in the testing, but can't promise i will help this round as i
might need to rest sickness away

Den ons 17 jan. 2024 kl 08:44 skrev Luna Jernberg :
>
> That should work for me
>
> Den ons 17 jan. 2024 kl 07:41 skrev Jonathan Wiltshire :
> >
> > > On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 21:25 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > > > It's time to set a date for 12.5 (taking account of the emergency .4)
> > > > and 11.9. I expect this to be the penultimate update for bullseye
> > > > before LTS.
> > > >
> > > > Please indicate availability for:
> > > >
> > > >   Saturday  3rd February (preferred for cadence)
> > > >   Saturday 10th February
> > > >   Saturday 17th February
> >
> > Let's go for the 10th, announcements to follow.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
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Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Luna Jernberg]

That should work for me

Den ons 17 jan. 2024 kl 07:41 skrev Jonathan Wiltshire :
>
> > On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 21:25 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > > It's time to set a date for 12.5 (taking account of the emergency .4)
> > > and 11.9. I expect this to be the penultimate update for bullseye
> > > before LTS.
> > >
> > > Please indicate availability for:
> > >
> > >   Saturday  3rd February (preferred for cadence)
> > >   Saturday 10th February
> > >   Saturday 17th February
>
> Let's go for the 10th, announcements to follow.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
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Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

> On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 21:25 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> > It's time to set a date for 12.5 (taking account of the emergency .4)
> > and 11.9. I expect this to be the penultimate update for bullseye
> > before LTS.
> > 
> > Please indicate availability for:
> > 
> >   Saturday  3rd February (preferred for cadence)
> >   Saturday 10th February
> >   Saturday 17th February

Let's go for the 10th, announcements to follow.

Thanks,

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Re: Weekly builds of installer/live images failing

[Roland Clobus]

Hello Daniel,

On 16/01/2024 09:52, Daniel Lewart wrote:

However, on Jan 8 and 15, the weekly builds of installer/live images
have been failing.
I'll guess that these are part of the fallout from "the big linux changes":
 https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2023/12/msg00421.html
 https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/merge_requests/851


Indeed. The kernel changes and usrmerge issue in the installer have 
caused build failures for the weekly builds.


They appear to have been resolved now, and Jenkins shows that the daily 
builds for the live images on sid are building (reproducibly) again. The 
tests in OpenQA also look good.


With kind regards,
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Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Emyr Williams]

All of them I think are ok for me at the present time :)

Emyr

On 15/01/2024 06:34, Adam D. Barratt wrote:

On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 21:25 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

It's time to set a date for 12.5 (taking account of the emergency .4)
and 11.9. I expect this to be the penultimate update for bullseye
before LTS.

Please indicate availability for:

   Saturday  3rd February (preferred for cadence)
   Saturday 10th February
   Saturday 17th February

It looks like any of those should work for me ATM. I'd slightly prefer
not to go for the 3rd.

Regards,

Adam

Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Adam D. Barratt]

On Tue, 2023-12-19 at 21:25 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> It's time to set a date for 12.5 (taking account of the emergency .4)
> and 11.9. I expect this to be the penultimate update for bullseye
> before LTS.
> 
> Please indicate availability for:
> 
>   Saturday  3rd February (preferred for cadence)
>   Saturday 10th February
>   Saturday 17th February

It looks like any of those should work for me ATM. I'd slightly prefer
not to go for the 3rd.

Regards,

Adam

Re: Re: Automatically seeding Debian torrents

[Artur Tagisow]

I'm getting the impression that OP was asking about something like this:
https://archlinux.org/feeds/releases/

Do note that the RSS entries provide a direct link to a .torrent file, like:
https://archlinux.org//releng/releases/2024.01.01/torrent/

The feed I linked could be consumed by a human, but the point seems to
be to register the feed in some automation plugin, have it periodically
scan for new entries, and add new torrents and automatically start
downloading - all without human interaction.

I use the Arch Linux feed with Autobrr
(https://autobrr.com/configuration/feeds#rss) to download and seed
without my interaction, though you can use e.g.: 
https://github.com/nning/transmission-rss

There's linuxtracker.org which should theoretically cover this, but the
rss feed for Debian also contains other distros based on Debian
(e.g. Gnoppix). If you want to try anyway you can check the checkbox to
the RIGHT of debian here: 
https://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=modules=getrss
and press "Get RSS"

Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Laura Arjona Reina]

Hello
for webmasters the status remains the same as last time, so we have no tasks to 
do in point releases.

Kind regards

El 12 de enero de 2024 13:12:31 CET, Mark Hymers  escribió:
>On Tue, 19, Dec, 2023 at 09:25:06PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire spoke thus..
>> It's time to set a date for 12.5 (taking account of the emergency .4) and
>> 11.9. I expect this to be the penultimate update for bullseye before LTS.
>> 
>> Please indicate availability for:
>> 
>>   Saturday  3rd February (preferred for cadence)
>>   Saturday 10th February
>>   Saturday 17th February
>
>Sorry for the delay.  I can currently do any of those for ftp.
>
>Mark
>
>
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Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Mark Hymers]

On Tue, 19, Dec, 2023 at 09:25:06PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire spoke thus..
> It's time to set a date for 12.5 (taking account of the emergency .4) and
> 11.9. I expect this to be the penultimate update for bullseye before LTS.
> 
> Please indicate availability for:
> 
>   Saturday  3rd February (preferred for cadence)
>   Saturday 10th February
>   Saturday 17th February

Sorry for the delay.  I can currently do any of those for ftp.

Mark


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Re: cd-image test builds for DebianEdu

[Mike Gabriel]

Hi Steve, hi all,
(Cc:ing debian-cd & debian-edu MLs)

On  Fr 22 Dez 2023 13:24:01 CET, Guido Berhoerster wrote:


Hi Steve,

Mike Gabriel (sunweaver@) and I are currently doing QA work to prepare
the formal release of DebianEdu bookworm with the next point release.
It would be really helpful if we could test up-to-date bookworm
installation media.  Is there any possibility of building something akin
to RC ISO images based on bookworm with packages from proposed-updates
on top?  Could you trigger such a build manually or even set up
automatic builds in regular intervals?

Thanks,


Re-sending this mail to the debian-cd & debian-edu mailing lists.  
Guido and I are currently checking our open todos for Debian Edu and  
the above question has (probably due to X-mas festivities and  
what-not) stayed unanswered.


Is a custom preview build of a bookworm Debian Edu netinst and/or  
blueray ISO image possible?


Thanks,
Mike


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Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

Hi,

The most likely contenders are 10th and 17th February but unless I missed
it, there's no indication from ftp-master (crucial) or webmasters
(highly desirable). Are either of those dates preferable for you?

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Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Donald Norwood]

Sorry, super late on this one. I withdraw my 'vote' and will acquiesce to
which ever date the group selects. I do like the 17th though.

 Original Message  
Subject: Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9
From: Luna Jernberg 
To: Cyril Brulebois , Luna Jernberg 
Cc: Steve McIntyre , Jonathan Wiltshire ,
debian-rele...@lists.debian.org, ftpmas...@debian.org, pr...@debian.org,
debian-cd@lists.debian.org, debian-b...@lists.debian.org,
webmas...@debian.org, jcris...@debian.org
Date: 1/4/2024

> Hey!
> 
> 10th or 17th works for me the 17th the best
> 
> Den tors 28 dec. 2023 kl 03:41 skrev Cyril Brulebois :
>>
>> Steve McIntyre  (2023-12-26):
>>> Any of those *should* be OK for me.
>>
>> Ditto.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
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Re: Planning for 12.5/11.9

[Luna Jernberg]

Hey!

10th or 17th works for me the 17th the best

Den tors 28 dec. 2023 kl 03:41 skrev Cyril Brulebois :
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> Steve McIntyre  (2023-12-26):
> > Any of those *should* be OK for me.
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> Ditto.
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> Cheers,
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> Cyril Brulebois (k...@debian.org)
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Processed: Re: Bug#1059858: debian-cd: Missing firmware packages due to usr-move

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> tag -1 pending
Bug #1059858 [debian-cd] debian-cd: Missing firmware packages due to usr-move
Added tag(s) pending.

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