Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Darren Stalder
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Raphael Hertzog, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
What will be done for slink ? I don't know but I'd like to have perl5.005
because it's better (ie. thread support is really useful). But then all
lib*-perl maintainer will have to upload updated packages. Is this
possible ?

Considering that stable.tar.gz on CPAN is now pointing to Perl 5.005.02
and I'm having no problems with it, I'll be releasing it this weekend.
Sorry I've been a bit slow, I'm working on buying a house.

After I get the basic Perl package out (for testing and module
recompilation), I plan on releasing another that has most of the bugs
fixed.  I also plan on making experimental packages of threaded Perl and 
the latest development Perl later in the week.

BTW, Joey, some of my projects could *really* use threaded Perl as
well.  But it's considered experimental in 5.005 and just isn't up to
snuff in a production environment.

Darren
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Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Darren Stalder wrote:
 BTW, Joey, some of my projects could *really* use threaded Perl as
 well.  But it's considered experimental in 5.005 and just isn't up to
 snuff in a production environment.

Do you have any plans to offer it as something like /usr/bin/perl-t? (or
would modules need to be rebuilt too?)

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[vernard@cc.gatech.edu: [ale] Loan Equipment to Linux In Action Booth]

1998-10-03 Thread warp
We may want to coordinate with them for some of the machines we will be
bringing in, its definitely a worthy cause..

Zephaniah E, Hull.

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Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vernard Martin)
Subject: [ale] Loan Equipment to Linux In Action Booth
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:27:55 -0400 (EDT)


This is an official request for the loan of computer equipment for use by the
Linux In Action display at the Atlanta Linux Showcase scheduled for October
23rd-24th. The Linux In Action booth has expanded from 2 booths last year to 
3 booths this year. There is also a separate terminal garden which should 
cut down on visitors using machines as simple email terminals. 

We are asking for loans of computer equipment to be used in the booth for both
days. Although the Showcase is much bigger than before, it is still difficult 
to acquire hardware for demos and such. 

This year the Linux General Store has graciously donated us space to use as a
staging area. We are asking all equipment loans be dropped off at the LGS
between the hours of Noon and 9pm any day in the range of Oct 19 - 21. This
gives us a couple of days to get the necessary software installed on the
machines.

Be warned. The hard drives will be wiped so please remove any data that you
wish to save.  I can't stress this enough.

If you have partial machines that you are willing to loan us such as large
monitors and such they will be considered as well. We have several machines
that are being loaned by various vendors that will need only monitors to make
them functional.

If you are willing to loan your equipment, please respond to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] so that I can coordinate with you. I'll contact you ASAP
to finalize everything.

Thanks in advance.

Vernard Martin
Coordinator, Linux In Action booth
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Re: Copyrights and licenses

1998-10-03 Thread Ian Lynagh
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Ian Lynagh writes:
 So is it free or non-free?

If the algorithm isn't patented you can do what ever you want with it,
regardless of what the inventor says.

OK, that just leaves two questions answered - is srp or SHA non-US
and what do I put in the copyright file?


Thanks
Ian
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Re: Debian is not a main distro?

1998-10-03 Thread James Troup
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 05:36:37PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
  Assuming, of course, that Debian will accept them as a developer.
 
 Are people with legitimate packaging interests being rejected?

That's a ridiculously simplistic question that I won't answer (hint:
there's a bit more to being a suitable person for Debian than having
``legitimate packaging interests''), but I will say, Steve Lamb's
implication is grossly unfair, as the number of rejections we've had
to do so far can be counted on the fingers of a very mutilated hand.

-- 
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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
 Kenneth == Kenneth Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new
Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is).

I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :)

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Re: Canada to remain mostly free

1998-10-03 Thread Avery Pennarun
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 10:35:54AM -0400, Greg Stark wrote:

 Manley announced new crypto policies, and though the speech is low on
 detail, despite being particularly long-winded, it seems Canada may
 remain in the free world.

Very cool.  It looks like they've really listened to the industry's
concerns!

One thing that worries me is they weren't very strong on the export controls
point... though they allow unrestricted _import_ of encryption.  Golly gee,
thanks.  It does look pretty good for exporting though -- I guess they were
deliberately careful with that in order to avoid upsetting the US.  In
particular, we still can't export encryption that we imported from the US :)

It's good to see, though.  I've never had confidence in government before. 

Have fun,

Avery



Re: RFC: Java related package maintainers

1998-10-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 10:31:09PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote:
  Martin == Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Martin I wonder why debian-java@lists.debian.org exists...
 
 At least one maintainer of a java related package (Hamish Moffat -
 guavac) is not on that list, there may be other maintainers/packages
 also...

I just subscribed. Unfortunately I missed the first part of this thread
(over-zealous delete key) and it hadn't shown up on www.debian.org
last I checked.


Hamish
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Re: APT 0.1.6 is released!

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
 M == M Dietrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Ben Please test out this new release of APT; we hope everyone can
Ben enjoy it!

M this apt is really great! thnx alot for your work (just for not
M only sending bug-reports on apt)! it worked out to exchange
M sendmail for smail without any problem. ok, it trashed my nfs,
M but this may be a packaging problem.

I think you need to install the new nfs-server package.

M where are the other parts of apt, the frontend and the like? is
M it possible to look at those programs in a early state of
M development?

You can always download the source. :)

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Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Darren/Torin/Who Ever...
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Joey Hess, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
Do you have any plans to offer it as something like /usr/bin/perl-t? (or
would modules need to be rebuilt too?)

It will be available as /usr/bin/perl5.00502-thread.  I could manage the 
/usr/bin/perl-t as alternatives.  No suidperl will be offered for this.
Any debian packages and all architecture dependent packages will have to 
be recompiled.  The 5.00502-thread will install itself under
/usr/lib/perl5.00502-thread so as to not conflict with the real Perl
installation.

Darren
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slink and nfs question

1998-10-03 Thread M . Dietrich
i lost the thread with this nfs-questing depending on the new package
nfs-server. i ran into the same problem while installing slink and
lost nfs this way. i then installed the new package and now got both
scripts in /etc/inint.d/ and all links (netstd_nfs and nfs-server). i
don't think, this is intended - so is this a bug?
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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Daniel Martin
Ben Gertzfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Kenneth == Kenneth Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new
 Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is).
 
 I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :)

I've been wondering why this wasn't tried before; it seems such an
obvious choice.  Perhaps CD distributors don't want to advertise
Debian woody?

Does anyone have a script of toy story or something that would tell us 
the names of the other characters?  I'd like to go with that thing
that looked like binoculars with feet.



Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
 It will be available as /usr/bin/perl5.00502-thread.  I could manage the 
 /usr/bin/perl-t as alternatives.

Well /usr/bin/perl-thread is probably a better name.

 Any debian packages and all architecture dependent packages will have to 
 be recompiled.

Do you mean that to use data-dumper with perl5.00502-thread, you'd have to
recompile it? Or would the same data-dumper package work with both
perl5.00502 and perl5.00502-thread?

-- 
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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
 Daniel == Daniel Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new
Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is).

Ben I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :)

Daniel I've been wondering why this wasn't tried before; it seems
Daniel such an obvious choice.  Perhaps CD distributors don't
Daniel want to advertise Debian woody?

Heck, I'd make a big order of woody any time..

Daniel Does anyone have a script of toy story or something that
Daniel would tell us the names of the other characters?  I'd
Daniel like to go with that thing that looked like binoculars
Daniel with feet.

Here's what imdb.com says:

   Cast overview, first billed only:
   Tom Hanks  Woody
   Tim Allen  Buzz Lightyear
   Don Rickles  Mr. Potato Head
   Jim Varney  Slinky Dog
   Wallace Shawn  Rex
   John Ratzenberger  Hamm
   Annie Potts  Bo Peep
   John Morris (III)  Andy
   Erik von Detten  Sid
   Laurie Metcalf  Mrs. Davis
   R. Lee Ermey  Sergeant
   Sarah Freeman  Hannah
   Penn Jillette  TV Announcer
   Jack Angel (I)  Additional Voice
   Spencer Aste  Additional Voice


so we really don't have that many more choices..

Ben

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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread David Welton
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 09:09:52PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote:
  Daniel == Daniel Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new
 Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is).

There is an ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid, with such recent
things as debian-arm, so.. I think that's next:-

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Re: KDE - what's up ?

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 08:10:43PM +0200, Christian Hammers wrote:
 KDE is still in the contrib section. 

You can expect something to be done with KDE soon.  Unless KDE changes their
license soon and applies fixes for the licenses they can't change, you can
expect KDE binaries to go away.  KDE source packages will probably hang
around if the KDE maintainer wishes them to since there is no problem with
the source.


 I don't want to start the endless thread again, but what is with the KDE
 apps I maintained ? Should I ask the ftp maintainers to remove them, or 
 should I keep them up to date.
 
 I do not beg for it since I switched over to GNOME  Enlightenment but
 since I am the maintainer of klyx,ksendfax etc I would at last keep them
 up to date by recompiling them against KDE 1.0.
 (Now most of them core dumps since they are for KDE Beta4 ! Bug Reports are
 sweeping me over :-()

Are the licenses of these packages forgiving of linking with Qt?  f not,
there's a problem you should probably take upstream.


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query on use of sys/syscall.h and asm/unistd.h in user code

1998-10-03 Thread Zack Weinberg

Hi, I'm with glibc development and I need to know about how some
headers are used by user code.

Specifically, for the 2.2 release of glibc (which is at least a year
away; we're in codefreeze for 2.1 right now) we are thinking about
modifying sys/syscall.h.  I would like to know:

1. What packages use sys/syscall.h
2. What packages use asm/unistd.h
3. Which of the packages in (1) use the __NR_xyz defines for syscall
   numbers instead of the SYS_xyz defines
4. Which of the packages in (1) use the _syscall[012345] macros
   currently defined by sys/syscall.h

Please respond directly to me; it's unlikely that many people on this
list care, and I'm not on the list.

thanks,
zw



FWD: Re: Linus is on a powertrip..

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
This is from the linux kernel mailing list. I find it pretty completly sums
op my thoughts on all the new constitution and voting and policy voting
stuff that we've been setting up. I haven't been vocal about this, but I
think we've been moving in the wrong direction.

Of course, this came up on linux kernel because Linus is showing signs of
burnout - just like Bruce burnt out. The benevolent dicator system isn't
perfect.

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From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry McVoy)
Subject: Re: Linus is on a powertrip.. 
Date:   Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:31:21 -0600

: This all boils down to the old saying that the benevolent dictator is
: the best form of government --- there's only one problem: finding the
: benevolent dictator.  Linus has, up till now, served as a very good
: benevolent dictator.  It may be that the job has been putting much
: pressure on him, and we need to find ways of relieving this pressure, or
: otherwise solving the problem.

Amen.  To all points.

I've watched the *BSD stuff and Linux from the sidelines for years, all the
way back to 386BSD - Bill Jolitz, Mr 386BSD, used to work for me.

I'm so sold on the benevolent dictator model that I jumped on the Linux
bandwagon soley because of that model.  I was pushing linux back when Linux
was utter and complete garbage by comparison to any of the *BSDs.  It wasn't
because Linux was better, it was because Linux was going to get better and
the *BSDs were not necessarily going to get better.

Everyone should stop and think hard about the benevolent dictator issue.
It's absoutely the most efficient way to get things done and the committee
approach just creates arguments.  Yeah, we have our arguments here,
but as Ted says, Linus gets to resolve them and that's the end of it
(you don't hear a lot from about RT any more do you - Linus made the
call, I don't like it, but that's the end of it - if this was *BSD we
would be like the energizer bunny - still going, and going, and going).

We have two problems to think about: 

1) do as much as we can in the short term (1-5 years) to keep Linus offloaded
   enough that he stays interested and retains power.

2) start thinking now about grooming a replacement.

That second one is dicy but it's inevitable that Linus will eventually
want to leave his current role - it's just too much pressure to want
for the rest of your life.

Also, it's a sign of a healthy organization to have folks that could
step up hanging around being groomed.  It means that the organization
is more important than the individual and I think that is the case here,
with no disrrespect intended.

The problem is - who would you groom?  I can think of lots of people who
would volunteer but most (all?) of them are also disqualified.  It's an
issue.  I suspect that the grooming process would help.

My two cents.

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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi,
Ben == Ben Gertzfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Kenneth == Kenneth Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new
 Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is).

 Ben I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :)

You are joking, right? 

manoj
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Re: [mazzocch@pop.systemy.it: [FYI] Cool Changes in JDK1.2b4]

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Ean R . Schuessler wrote:
 This comes from the Apache-Jserv list.
 
 Now, what I am wondering is if JServ continues to ignore free Java VMs
 and Sun continues its irresponsible development of the Java standard
 in the same secret way it has been, should JServ be considered non-free?
 
 In other words, did we decide that if a DFSG compliant program (ie. a KDE
 client) requires a non-DFSG program to run then it would be considered
 non-free? That's right isn't it? Should we tell the Apache-Jserv team that
 Jserv will not be distributed with Debian?

If it depends on non-free components, it goes in contrib.

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Re: Canada to remain mostly free

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
hmmm...  Wonder if we can get the Canadian gov't go convince the US Gov't to
sell it the West coast of the US?  California, Nevada, Oregon, Washington? 
Break it into 2 Provinces, you think?

This would be cool because it'd put Silicon Valley in the Free World.  Hmm,
I wonder if the Canadian gov't would put M$ in its place any faster than the
US Gov't would?  =



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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 05:20:29PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote:
 Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new
 Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is).
 
 I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :)

I thought 2.2 was going to be rc, and 3.0 would be woody.  Johnnie
Ingram was pushing for that one, as were a few others.


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Re: An X version of dselect for slink

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 05:09:18PM -0400, Steve Dunham wrote:
 For initial install on Intel, we could always use XF86_VGA16.  That
 should work on all systems.

People who have recycled Sparc monitors?  Even TEXT mode on those things is
an evil hack with svgatextmode!


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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
 Manoj == Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Kenneth == Kenneth Scharf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Ben == Ben Gertzfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new
Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is).

Ben I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :)

Manoj  You are joking, right?

Not at all! It fits perfectly with the 'Toy Story' theme. How can
we leave out the main character? *grin*

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Re: How about using bzip2 as the standard *.deb compression format?

1998-10-03 Thread Joseph Carter
On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 10:06:24PM -0500, dsb3 wrote:
 I read in an earlier mail that the main distro will no longer fit on one
 CD. Since a standardised specialized tool is already required to install
 a *.deb and this tool is installed on every Debian box, why not in the
 next update of dpkg include support to decompress bzip2 compressed
 *.debs? This would be transparent for the user, and (as far as I can
 reason anyways) fairly painless for the developer.
 
 I think we already went through this discussion a short while back.
 Unless I'm missing something new, it was pretty much decided that the
 memory overhead of bzip2 was too great for low-mem or slow PCs to handle.
 
 That said, please correct me if I got the wrong end of the stick.

It'd STILL be nice to be able to use bzip2 for package source on REALLY BIG
packages (Mozilla, X)


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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Gertzfield wrote:
Spencer Aste  Additional Voice
 
 
 so we really don't have that many more choices..

Hmm, I think debian 2.1 (additional voice) has a nice ring to it. :-P

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Re: Debian is not a main distro?

1998-10-03 Thread Steve Lamb
On 03 Oct 1998 00:41:50 +0100, James Troup wrote:

Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 05:36:37PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
  Assuming, of course, that Debian will accept them as a developer.

 Are people with legitimate packaging interests being rejected?

That's a ridiculously simplistic question that I won't answer (hint:
there's a bit more to being a suitable person for Debian than having
``legitimate packaging interests''), but I will say, Steve Lamb's
implication is grossly unfair, as the number of rejections we've had
to do so far can be counted on the fingers of a very mutilated hand.

No, it is not grossly unfair.  I did not cite numbers any more than I did
not.  It was left up to the individual who read it to decide for themselves
what those numbers were.  I can, however, prove that one person has been told
that they would not be accepted if they applied.  That person is me.

So my statement is accurate and not a gross misrepresentation because,
as stated, no numbers were given...  Malformed hand or not.  :P

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Re: Problem compiling module

1998-10-03 Thread Philippe Troin
Jeff McWilliams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Help.  I've been trying to compile the lm_sensors source without much
 success.  lm_sensors was written as a linux module that talks to the
 voltage and temperature sensors on a motherboard and lets you query
 /proc/sensors to view this information.  I haven't found a .deb for
 this so I fetched the latest source yesterday and started trying toc
 compile it.  I'm running debian 2.0, Kernel 2.0.34 and the standard
 debian gcc, make, and libc6-dev packages.
 
 Make works okay, but...
 
 insmod ./lm_sensors.o
 
 ... tells me that the module was compiled for kernel 2.0.33 which
 doesn't match my running kernel.  
 
 /usr/doc/libc6-dev/FAQ.Debian.gz suggests adding
 -I/usr/src/linux/include 
 
 I added that to the CFLAGS of the Makefile.  It didn't help.  I
 noticed that /usr/src/linux/include/linux does not contain a version.h
 file.  Is that correct?  

8 snip

You have to use -I/usr/src/linux/include *and* also configure and
build a kernel there to have version.h created plus a couple of other
symlinks.
Be warned that you should run the kernel you've built because of
potential binary incompatibilities in the kernel depending which
options you've compiled in. Kernel-package is your friend.

Phil.



Re: dpkg -S problem

1998-10-03 Thread Craig Sanders
On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Rainer Dorsch wrote:

 $ dpkg -l /usr/bin/printmail
 No packages found matching /usr/bin/printmail.

this is normal.  you used -l (list packages) when you meant -S (search)

$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/printmail
elm-me+: /usr/bin/printmail



btw, you may want to install jim pick's dlocate hack. it runs a lot
faster than 'dpkg -S' and does the same job (and a lot more) - it is a
very clever use of the GNU locate tool.


$ dlocate /usr/bin/printmail
elm-me+: /usr/bin/printmail

Jim maybe you should package this??? or submit it to the maintainer
of the findutils package.  BTW, you probably haven't seen my modified
version before. hope you like my changes.


anyway, here's how to install dlocate.

make the following directory:

mkdir -p /var/lib/dlocate

then install the following files:

---cut here---/usr/sbin/dupdatedb---cut here---
#! /usr/bin/make -f
#
# original shell script by Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED], GPL'd of course
#
# hacked by cas to be a Makefile so it updates the dlocatedb only when
# needed (i.e. when the package *.list files have changed)

/var/lib/dlocate/dlocatedb: /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list
grep '' /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list|sed 's,^.*/\(.*\)\.list:,\1: ,' | \
/usr/lib/locate/frcode  /var/lib/dlocate/dlocatedb.new
mv -f /var/lib/dlocate/dlocatedb /var/lib/dlocate/dlocatedb.old
mv /var/lib/dlocate/dlocatedb.new /var/lib/dlocate/dlocatedb
---cut here---/usr/sbin/dupdatedb---cut here---

note: this is a Makefile, so lines are indented by a TAB, not spaces!

this makefile needs to be run (as root) by cron once every day (or week,
or whatever) like so:

0 3 * * *   make -f /usr/sbin/dupdatedb /dev/null


and the dlocate script itself:

---cut here---/usr/bin/dlocate---cut here---
#!/bin/sh
#
# original script by Jim Pick [EMAIL PROTECTED], GPL'd of course
#
# hacked by cas to use case instead of if/elif/fi
# hacked by cas to add '-ls' option.  also added error checking for
# -L and -ls options.
# hacked by cas to add '-conf' and '-lsconf' options.
# hacked by cas to add '-md5sum' and '-md5check' options.

DLOCATEDB=/var/lib/dlocate/
DPKG_INFO=/var/lib/dpkg/info

case $1 in
|-h|-H|--help)
echo Usage: dlocate [-L] [-S] [-ls] [-conf] [-lsconf] [md5sum] 
[md5check] string
echo 
echo (no option) string  list all records that match
echo -Sstring  list records where files match
echo -Lstring  list all files in package
echo -ls   string  'ls -ldF' of all files in 
package
echo -conf string  list conffiles in package
echo -lsconf   string  'ls -ldF' of conffiles in 
package
echo -md5sum   string  list package's md5sums (if any)
echo -md5check string  check package's md5sums (if 
any)
echo 
echo   The -L and -S commands are roughly analagous to the
echo   equivalent dpkg commands.
;;
-L)
if [ -e $DPKG_INFO/$2.list ] ; then 
cat $DPKG_INFO/$2.list
else
echo Package \$2\ not installed.
fi
;;
-S)
locate -d $DLOCATEDB $2 | grep :.*$2.*
;;
-ls)
if [ -e $DPKG_INFO/$2.list ] ; then 
ls -ldF $(cat $DPKG_INFO/$2.list)
else
echo Package \$2\ not installed.
fi
;;
-conf)
if [ -e $DPKG_INFO/$2.conffiles ] ; then 
cat $DPKG_INFO/$2.conffiles
else
echo Package \$2\ not installed or has no conffiles.
fi
;;
-lsconf)
if [ -e $DPKG_INFO/$2.conffiles ] ; then 
ls -ldF $(cat $DPKG_INFO/$2.conffiles)
else
echo Package \$2\ not installed or has no conffiles.
fi
;;
-md5sum)
if [ -e $DPKG_INFO/$2.md5sums ] ; then 
cat $DPKG_INFO/$2.md5sums
else
echo Package \$2\ not installed or has no md5sums.
fi
;;
-md5check)
if [ -e $DPKG_INFO/$2.md5sums ] ; then 
cat $DPKG_INFO/$2.md5sums | \
awk '{print $1   / $2}' | \
md5sum -v -c /dev/stdin
else
echo Package \$2\ not installed or has no md5sums.
fi
;;
*)
locate -d /var/lib/dlocate/dlocatedb $*
;;
esac
---cut here---/usr/bin/dlocate---cut here---


craig

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Re: Copyrights and licenses

1998-10-03 Thread Richard Braakman
Ian Lynagh wrote:
 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
 Ian Lynagh writes:
  So is it free or non-free?
 
 If the algorithm isn't patented you can do what ever you want with it,
 regardless of what the inventor says.
 
 OK, that just leaves two questions answered - is srp or SHA non-US
 and what do I put in the copyright file?

I don't know what srp does.  SHA is a hashing algorithm, like MD5, so
it's not export-restricted unless you do encryption with it.

In the copyright file, I would copy the text in the license that
mentions it (I forgot which one it was), and then add the text you got
from the author, and add a note that the Debian Project does not
believe that protocols are copyrightable in the first place.

Richard Braakman



Re: How about using bzip2 as the standard *.deb compression format?

1998-10-03 Thread Alexander Koch
On Fri, 2 October 1998 22:25:35 -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
 It'd STILL be nice to be able to use bzip2 for package source on REALLY BIG
 packages (Mozilla, X)

I agree. It'd be fine for now if it's supported and then you can
still decide to use it for your own packages. You won't install X
or mozilla on boxes with, say, 4 megs of RAM, right? ;-)

Just a thought.

Alexander

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Re: ISDN problem ....

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Bialasinski

 MD == M Dietrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

MD when installing isdnutils from slink, MAKEDEV complains about
MD device names - something like 'don't know how t mail isdnctrl0' or
MD something (don't remember exact device name).

I believe this is already reported as 
http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/26/26971.html

(release critical!)

Ciao,
Martin



Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Joseph Carter wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 05:20:29PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote:
  Kenneth After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new
  Kenneth 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is).
  
  I think 'woody' would be an appropriate nickname. :)
 
 I thought 2.2 was going to be rc, and 3.0 would be woody.  Johnnie
 Ingram was pushing for that one, as were a few others.

But didn't an even earlier discussion conclude that woody should be
bypassed as it would be offensive to some people.

Bob



Intend to package gtkfind

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
gtkfind-0.7 is a graphical file-finding program using the gtk toolkit

A screenshot can be found here:

http://www.oz.net/~mattg/gtkfind.gif

Regards,

Joey

-- 
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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 06:57:54AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote:
 But didn't an even earlier discussion conclude that woody should be
 bypassed as it would be offensive to some people.

It's only offensive if you're in the frame of mind to think so.
Aren't there children's stories with a character named Woody Woodpecker?


Hamish
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Suse supports linuxconf

1998-10-03 Thread Rainer Dorsch

I remembered, that there was some time ago some discussion about linuxconf on 
the list. I just picked up, that Suse will support linuxconf (beside yast) in 
Suse 6.0 (release date: end of 1998).


-- 
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Re: FWD: Re: Linus is on a powertrip..

1998-10-03 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joey Hess)  wrote on 02.10.98 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 This is from the linux kernel mailing list. I find it pretty completly sums
 op my thoughts on all the new constitution and voting and policy voting
 stuff that we've been setting up. I haven't been vocal about this, but I
 think we've been moving in the wrong direction.

OTOH, *I* believe we're moving in the right direction because the past has  
shown that, for whatever reason, our social dynamics are such that the  
original model doesn't work for us.

Incidentally, I think the reasons are actually obvious once you think  
about it. With Linux, Linus is the one that keeps the kernel source. He  
decides about every bit that goes in. Debian, OTOH, doesn't have any  
comparable position, and in all the time I've been here (since  
.99something), it never had one. Oh, it may have had one in the very  
beginning, but if so, it was already abandoned back in the .99something  
days.

To put it a different way ...

Linus is the main developer for Linux. That makes him a good benevolent  
dictator. Debian does not have a main developer; Ian has a political, not  
a technical, job.

Linus *acts* as a dictator. He dictates what goes into the kernel, and  
what doesn't. Debian has nothing comparable. There is no instance we have  
to pass to get stuff into the distribution. Indeed. I suspect many  
developers would leave were there such a choke point.

Linux kernel development is almost completely different from Debian  
distribution development. That's why Ian's job description differs from  
Linus'.

MfG Kai



Re: Suse supports linuxconf

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
Rainer Dorsch wrote:
 
 I remembered, that there was some time ago some discussion about linuxconf on 
 the list. I just picked up, that Suse will support linuxconf (beside yast) in 
 Suse 6.0 (release date: end of 1998).

Please check our experimental such as
ftp://ftp.infodrom.north.de/pub/debian/project/experimental/linuxconf_1.10r34-1_i386.deb

If you think it's not fully integrated, please find some time and
work on it.  If you think that it should be included in the regular
release, please discuss it with the maintainer, and/or here.

Regards,

Joey

-- 
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Re: Intent to Package GNU nana

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
Brent Fulgham wrote:
 I am working on a project that could benefit from the GNU nana package.

It would be a cool idea if you would provide a description what
nana is or does.

Regards,

Joey

-- 
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Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
 Joey Hess, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
 Do you have any plans to offer it as something like /usr/bin/perl-t? (or
 would modules need to be rebuilt too?)
 
 It will be available as /usr/bin/perl5.00502-thread.  I could manage the 
 /usr/bin/perl-t as alternatives.  No suidperl will be offered for this.
 Any debian packages and all architecture dependent packages will have to 
 be recompiled.  The 5.00502-thread will install itself under

I guess after the new version of perl is installed in slink somebody should
file bugreports against all architecture-dependent perl packages, i.e. CPAN
modules with a severity of at least important so they will be either recompiled
or removed with slink.

Btw. do we have a name for the next release yet?

Regards,

Joey

-- 
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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
This leaves the following possible names:

Ben Gertzfield wrote:
 Here's what imdb.com says:
 
Cast overview, first billed only:
Don Rickles  Mr. Potato Head
John Morris (III)  Andy
Laurie Metcalf  Mrs. Davis
R. Lee Ermey  Sergeant
Sarah Freeman  Hannah
 
 so we really don't have that many more choices..

2.2 potatoe
2.3 andy
2.4 davis
3.0 sergeant
3.1 hannah

The namespase lasts for five more releases.  Or do I misunderstand
something?

Regards,

Joey

-- 
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Re: Intent to Package GNU nana

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Pfaff
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   Brent Fulgham wrote:
I am working on a project that could benefit from the GNU nana package.

   It would be a cool idea if you would provide a description what
   nana is or does.

From the README:

* GNU Nana - improved support for assertions and logging in C and C++.

Nana provides improved support for assertion checking and logging in C, C++
and after a fashion in Ada. It provides:

o Operations can be implemented directly in C or by generating 
  debugger commands which do the checking and logging only if the 
  application is run under the debugger. The debugger based calls
  require are very space efficient (0 or 1 bytes per call). 


o Support for assertion (invariant checking) including:

+ Space and time efficient (at least versus assert.h)
  For example: assert(i=0) uses 53 bytes on a i386 vs 
  an optimised nana call which uses 10 bytes per call.
+ Checking can be turned on or off at compile or run time.
+ The action taken when an error is detected can be modified 
  on a global and per/call basis.

o Support for logging (printf style debugging) including:

+ Logging can be turned on and off at compile or run time.
+ Logging to files, processes or circular buffers in memory
  with optional time stamping.

o Support for the quantifiers of predicate calculus (forall, exists).



Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Richard Braakman
Martin Schulze wrote:
 Darren/Torin/Who Ever... wrote:
  Joey Hess, in an immanent manifestation of deity, wrote:
  Do you have any plans to offer it as something like /usr/bin/perl-t? (or
  would modules need to be rebuilt too?)
  
  It will be available as /usr/bin/perl5.00502-thread.  I could manage the 
  /usr/bin/perl-t as alternatives.  No suidperl will be offered for this.
  Any debian packages and all architecture dependent packages will have to 
  be recompiled.  The 5.00502-thread will install itself under
 
 I guess after the new version of perl is installed in slink somebody should
 file bugreports against all architecture-dependent perl packages, i.e. CPAN
 modules with a severity of at least important so they will be either 
 recompiled
 or removed with slink.

Let's wait till *after* the freeze and do that in the new unstable.

Frankly, I think it's a bad idea to just break all those packages.  Isn't
there some way to create a smooth upgrade path?

Richard Braakman



intent to package

1998-10-03 Thread Ivan Stojic
I'm just about to become a debian developer, and i would like to package
BeroFTPD, and Telnet98



Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Martin Schulze wrote:

 This leaves the following possible names:
 
 Ben Gertzfield wrote:
  Here's what imdb.com says:
  
 Cast overview, first billed only:
 Don Rickles  Mr. Potato Head
 John Morris (III)  Andy
 Laurie Metcalf  Mrs. Davis
 R. Lee Ermey  Sergeant
 Sarah Freeman  Hannah
  
  so we really don't have that many more choices..
 
 2.2 potatoe
 2.3 andy
 2.4 davis
 3.0 sergeant
 3.1 hannah
 
 The namespase lasts for five more releases.  Or do I misunderstand
 something?

That's from the credits, but there are some more :
r.c. (mentioned previously)
molly
snake
robot
etch
mike
mr. spell
lenny
claw

There were a few others, but I couldn't pick out the names from the
soundtrack.

Bob



Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Ben Gertzfield
 Hamish == Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Bob But didn't an even earlier discussion conclude that woody
Bob should be bypassed as it would be offensive to some people.

Hamish It's only offensive if you're in the frame of mind to
Hamish think so.  Aren't there children's stories with a
Hamish character named Woody Woodpecker?

Actually, Woody Woodpecker is a cartoon, still shown on TV nowadays.

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Re: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/ may not be conffile ?

1998-10-03 Thread Gregory S. Stark

Peter S Galbraith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Policy states:
 
  *Application defaults* files have to be installed in the directory
  `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/app-defaults/'. They are considered as part of the
  program code. Thus, they should not be modified and should not be
  tagged as *conffile*. If the local system administrator wants to
  customise X applications globally, the file `/etc/X11/Xresources'
  should be used.
 
 What's the logic here?

app-defaults files are very version specific. If you have the app-defaults
file from one version of a program that depends heavily on it installed and
update to a newer version the program then that program would probably not
display correctly at all. 

greg



What about a bookmarks-package ?

1998-10-03 Thread Christian Hammers
Hi !

Just an idea while I was (like so often) search the Web for some 
Information:

Why not creating a Debian package that contains a huge html file with
links and some bookmarks-file converters for Netscape/IE/lynx etc.

The bookmarks could e.g. contain a folder with all (good) search engines,
with ones for the web,for usenet (dejanews) for mailing lists etc.
Another one could contain links to descriptions of standards e.g. a 
link to a SQL Reference, a HTML Reference, a libc Reference or 
a Perl5 Reference. Yet another could held security-related sites: bugtraq 
archive, rootshell, pgp.net cert.net etc.

Of course the main folders would contain anything related to Linux:
all Distributions, Home Pages of GNU,FSF,GNOME,kernel.org,Linux Resources,
... and all you can imagine.

The fast growing size (:-)) of this file could be handled by splitting it
up to several smaller files that lays in (hum...) /var/www/Debian-Bookmars
or maybe in /usr/share with a link to /var/www - I must think about it a
bit longer.


What is your opinion - would this be a good idea ?

read you,

  -christian-


P.S.: Yes, I would like to be maintainer - if all of you be contributers
=;-)

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Re: Canada to remain mostly free

1998-10-03 Thread Gregory S. Stark

Avery Pennarun [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Fri, Oct 02, 1998 at 10:35:54AM -0400, Greg Stark wrote:
 
  Manley announced new crypto policies, and though the speech is low on
  detail, despite being particularly long-winded, it seems Canada may
  remain in the free world.
 
 Very cool.  It looks like they've really listened to the industry's
 concerns!

The only thing i'm still worried about is whether they'll change the current
system which makes it very easy to distribute free software. It seems likely
they'll write whatever regulations they write with the needs of commercial
software in mind, and whereas a company would not really mind paying a few
dollars for an rubber-stamp permit, any such scheme would kill free crypto
development.

greg




Re: What about a bookmarks-package ?

1998-10-03 Thread Martin Schulze
Christian Hammers wrote:
 Why not creating a Debian package that contains a huge html file with
 links and some bookmarks-file converters for Netscape/IE/lynx etc.

 P.S.: Yes, I would like to be maintainer - if all of you be contributers
   =;-)

I'd say: Go ahead.

First start for the search engines:

http://www.infodrom.north.de/search.html

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 07:21:06PM +0200, Richard Braakman écrivait:
 Let's wait till *after* the freeze and do that in the new unstable.
 
 Frankly, I think it's a bad idea to just break all those packages.  Isn't
 there some way to create a smooth upgrade path?

No. But it might no be a great problem, I tried to see how many packages
would be broken :

$ zcat Contents-i386.gz | grep 'usr/lib/perl.*\.so' | perl -npe '$_ = 
((/^(\S)+\s+(\S+)\s*$/)[1].\n)' | sort | uniq
base/data-dumper
base/perl-base
contrib/interpreters/libdbd-msql-perl
contrib/interpreters/libdbd-mysql-perl
contrib/interpreters/msqlperl
contrib/math/pgperl
devel/eperl
devel/pilot-link-perl
graphics/freewrl
interpreters/alias
interpreters/libdatecalc-perl
interpreters/libdbd-pg-perl
interpreters/libdbi-perl
interpreters/libfile-sync-perl
interpreters/libgtk-perl,interpreters/libgnome-perl,interpreters/libgtk-imlib-perl
interpreters/liblockdev0-perl
interpreters/libmd5-perl
interpreters/libmsgcat-perl
interpreters/perl
interpreters/perl-tk
interpreters/perlmagick
libs/libcompress-zlib-perl
libs/libcurses-perl
libs/libmime-base64-perl
libs/libpgperl
libs/libterm-readkey-perl
libs/libtime-hires-perl
math/netcdf-perl
math/pdl
math/r-pdl
non-free/graphics/libgd-perl
web/libapache-mod-perl
web/libhtml-embperl-perl

That makes 35 packages. Really not unreachable. I can fill the bugreports
if needed.

Cheers,
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Re: Switch to perl-5.005_02 ?

1998-10-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 10:08:01PM -0400, Roderick Schertler écrivait:
 One wouldn't want to switch /usr/bin/perl to have threading enabled at
 this point, as there is still a significant speed penalty (somewhere in
 the neighborhood of 30%, even if you haven't spawned any auxiliary
 threads).  I think it would be reasonable to switch to a non-threaded
 5.005_02, though.

Why not propose perl and perl-thread ? Each one would conflict with the
other one, but that's not a problem. The problem is : Can the maintainer
package perl5.005 ?. I would like to help but I'm a still a new Debian
developer and really not a C hacker... after perl5.005 has been packaged,
there should be no problem. lib*-perl packages need no modifications, just
a recompilation.

Cheers,
-- 
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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Bob Nielsen wrote:

[ snip ]

 : That's from the credits, but there are some more :
 : r.c. (mentioned previously)
 : molly
 : snake
 : robot
 : etch
 : mike
 : mr. spell
 : lenny
 : claw
 : 
 : There were a few others, but I couldn't pick out the names from the
 : soundtrack.

My son has the Toy Story game for the Mac ... I'll see if I can glean a
few more from that :)  (Looks like you've done a commendable job,
however).

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Re: FWD: Re: Linus is on a powertrip..

1998-10-03 Thread Joey Hess
Kai Henningsen wrote:
 Linus is the main developer for Linux. That makes him a good benevolent  
 dictator. Debian does not have a main developer; Ian has a political, not  
 a technical, job.

Linus's position is just as political as Ian's, it's just not so obvious
because the difference in the development models keep the politics queter,
and resolves issues faster without as much debate.

-- 
see shy jo



Re: What about a bookmarks-package ?

1998-10-03 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 08:51:53PM +0200, Christian Hammers écrivait:
 What is your opinion - would this be a good idea ?

Yes, I think so. 

I propose you to have some national pages which would
held links for non-english speaking sites. e.g. french-links.html beside
links.html (english-speaking by default). Yes I will send you some
good links for the french page. ;-)

Cheers,
-- 
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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Kenneth Scharf
If 'Woody' was offensive, do you think that Disney would have used the
name in their movie?  Wasn't toy story rated G?  Come on, who is more
sensitive to this than the mouse factory?
--

On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 06:57:54AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote:
 But didn't an even earlier discussion conclude that woody should be
 bypassed as it would be offensive to some people.

It's only offensive if you're in the frame of mind to think so.
Aren't there children's stories with a character named Woody Woodpecker?







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Re: intent to package

1998-10-03 Thread Ian Lynagh
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ivan Stojic
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
Telnet98

I've already taken that one.

Sorry  :-(

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Re: An X version of dselect for slink

1998-10-03 Thread Philip Thiem
Jim Pick wrote:
 
 Tom Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  Since it seems obvious that apt WON'T be finished (GUI bit I mean) before
  freeze of slink, I have started writing an X clone of the Dselect tool.
 
  Although to be ready by 16th will make it pretty much a hack, I think it
 
 Great!  Keep going...
 
 I really, really like the idea of having multiple front-ends for
 package selection that we can choose from.
 
 For some of the stuff I want to do, I'm going to need to be able to
 customize a front-end.  By having more than one front-end, we should
 end up with some good, well-defined interfaces.
 
 Cheers,
 
  - jIm
 

I agree very much with this we need multiple frontend.  In our quest
from a X11 let use never forget the text version.


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formal documents

1998-10-03 Thread Kikutani Makoto
hi, I have a question about the procedure to become a maintainer.


   You should also include some mechanism by which we can verify your
   real-life identity. For example, any of the following mechanisms would
   suffice:
 * A PGP or RSA key signed by any well-known signature, such as any
   current Debian developer.
 * A scanned (or physically mailed) copy of any formal documents
   certifying your identity (such as a birth certificate, national ID
   card, U.S. Driver's License, etc.). Please sign the image with
   your PGP or RSA key.


Do you accept a passport as the above formal documents ?
How about Japan Driver's License ? (this is written only in
Japanese though)

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slanglib for Japanese

1998-10-03 Thread Kikutani Makoto
Please consider a compiliance to Japanese for slanglib
in the next release. The necessary work is only set

#define SLANG_HAS_KANJI_SUPPORT 1

in src/sl-feat.h.

I believe this doesn't affect to English.

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Re: formal documents

1998-10-03 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 05:43:14PM -0400, Kikutani Makoto wrote:
 Do you accept a passport as the above formal documents ?

I'm not one of those who decide that, but I would find it quite
strange if it were not accepted.  It's as formal as it could
reasonably get.



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Re: what's after slink

1998-10-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 11:26:51AM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote:
 Hamish It's only offensive if you're in the frame of mind to
 Hamish think so.  Aren't there children's stories with a
 Hamish character named Woody Woodpecker?
 
 Actually, Woody Woodpecker is a cartoon, still shown on TV nowadays.

Then shouldn't we call the networks to demand its cancellation?



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GTK Dselect - ALPHA 1

1998-10-03 Thread Tom Lees
Just a small tar.gz. Not many features are implemented at the moment -
notably, it doesnt update the status file, and it doesnt lock the status
area, but I'm releasing it for testing of the rest of it.

To compile, cd gdselect, and run make. The binary is in gtk/gdselect.

One question: the core size is rather large as it stands - is it worth
reducing this by using an apt-style cache file in your opinion? (i.e.
will people with low-memory, probably less than 24MB, run this?)

Tell me what you think of the interface. The buttons at the bottom are
meant to change the status. The actual installation is the Install/Apply
menu option.

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gnome .debs

1998-10-03 Thread Justin Maurer

(for the purposes of this email, consider my sig my resume).
i am an admin at a local high school. our shell server is a p233
with 128m ram and 12gb disk. it will soon be upgraded to 256mb, and sooner
or later, a second processor. it sits on a t1, with incoming ftp supposed
to be unfirewalled awhile ago (i can get around it, if necessary). the
machie is idle 23 hours a day.

i have never used cvs-buildpackage, but would be willing to
generate nightly .debs. what do people think of this?


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