Why I can not go ahead with IMP?

[Shuangquan Li]

   I've install PHP4, horde, IMP. When I access the mailbox by 
127.0.0.1/horde, I get the login interface, I can log in, but when I click
the subject ,or date, or compose, or any other href, I can not go ahead, I
only get the login infterface again. Why?

Re: PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

[Branden Robinson]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 01:59:14PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 10:35:32PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > You are not going to harass us into special casing you.
> > I wouldn't dream of it, hence the proposal in this thread.
> 
> Uh, and you figure making people mail the BTS specially for each new
> package uploaded

What proposal were you reading?  It sure doesn't sound like the one I
wrote:

"When a package that has been ITP'ed is finally packaged, I'd like to
suggest that it be reassigned to ftp.debian.org."

If you have a problem with people filing bugs with the BTS to declare
their intent to package each new package they intend to upload, I
suggest you talk to the WNPP team ASAP.

> (instead of adding a Closes line to the changelog),

"The package changelog can and should still use "Closes: #", so that the bug is closed automatically"

> and filing, what, a dozen new bugs against ftp.debian.org every week is
> something other than harassment [0]?

I'm sorry, I don't understand where you're getting the "new" bugs from.
ITP bugs already exist in the BTS.

> Why, btw, are you uploading a NEW package with the maintainer set to -qa,
> especially when -qa has already asked for the package to be removed from
> the distro? That's usually considered somewhat irresponsible.

Did you read the changelog of the uploaded package?  It appears in the
bug logs of #113360.

> [0] A few weeks ago, the term would've been "bug terrorism", but maybe not
> now.

Thankfully(?), you've kept the meme alive with this message.

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Re: PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

[Anthony Towns]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 10:35:32PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > You are not going to harass us into special casing you.
> I wouldn't dream of it, hence the proposal in this thread.

Uh, and you figure making people mail the BTS specially for each new
package uploaded (instead of adding a Closes line to the changelog),
and filing, what, a dozen new bugs against ftp.debian.org every week is
something other than harassment [0]?

It's a NEW package (ie, one not currently in unstable or experimental),
and'll be treated the same way NEW ones are across the board. It's not
really that complicated.

Why, btw, are you uploading a NEW package with the maintainer set to -qa,
especially when -qa has already asked for the package to be removed from
the distro? That's usually considered somewhat irresponsible.

Cheers,
aj

[0] A few weeks ago, the term would've been "bug terrorism", but maybe not
now.

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Re: PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

[Aaron Lehmann]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 12:54:15PM +1000, Jason Thomas wrote:
> > Branden, stop making hysterical comments.
> 
> Thats not really fair now is it!  Branden is trying to make the
> procedure better if his suggestions are wrong how about making
> constructive criticism.

Tell that to James Troup.

Re: PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

[Branden Robinson]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 04:22:19AM +0100, James Troup wrote:
> Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > >   tags 113360 wontfix
> > >   severity 113360 wishlist
> > >   thanks
> 
> Which means since you won't leave the bug closed, I'll mark it wontfix
> instead.  That doesn't alter my statement in the close mail and
> repeated here on -devel.  Since you don't seem to (want to)
> understand, I'll try one more time: xmailtool will be processed as
> normal.

So in other words, the request in the subject line of the bug report
"please add xmailtool to overrides/katie database? will actually be done
at some point?

How does that mesh with the "wontfix" tag, or closing the report?  If
you do actually intend to resolve the report using the method suggested
by the submitter, that sounds like an ordinary bug fix to me.  The kind
of report you close when the matter is resolved.

> You are not going to harass us into special casing you.

I wouldn't dream of it, hence the proposal in this thread.

Anyway, as it stands, people with the current version of the package
installed will be dealing with Bug #112645, which makes it difficult to
upgrade a box to testing.

The "urgency" field of a package upload is meaningless if a package
can't be processed because of changes that need to happen to the katie
database first.  Is that a deliberate or accidental policy?

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Re: PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

[James Troup]

Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> >   tags 113360 wontfix
> >   severity 113360 wishlist
> >   thanks

Which means since you won't leave the bug closed, I'll mark it wontfix
instead.  That doesn't alter my statement in the close mail and
repeated here on -devel.  Since you don't seem to (want to)
understand, I'll try one more time: xmailtool will be processed as
normal. You are not going to harass us into special casing you.

> >   Bored now.

[So, _very_ bored]

-- 
James

Re: PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

[Branden Robinson]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 02:57:50AM +0100, James Troup wrote:
> Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Apparently the package is never to be accepted into Debian,
> 
> Err, no, I never said that.

Exhibit 1:


  From: James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Date: 25 Sep 2001 19:18:42 +0100
  In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Lines: 8
  User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7
  MIME-Version: 1.0
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
  Sender: James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  tags 113360 wontfix
  severity 113360 wishlist
  thanks

  Bored now.

Exhibit 2:


  wontfix

  This bug won't be fixed. Possibly because this is a choice between two
  arbitrary ways of doing things and the maintainer and submitter prefer
  different ways of doing things, possibly because changing the behaviour
  will cause other, worse, problems for others, or possibly for other
  reasons.

Did you tag the bug "wontfix" in error?

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Re: PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

[Jason Thomas]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:05:13PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 08:15:08PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > When a package that has been ITP'ed is finally packaged, I'd like to
> > suggest that it be reassigned to ftp.debian.org.
> 
> Branden, stop making hysterical comments.

Thats not really fair now is it!  Branden is trying to make the
procedure better if his suggestions are wrong how about making
constructive criticism.


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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Sam Couter wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Christian Kurz wrote:
> > But having a link from either the config-files in /etc/bind to $CHROOT
> > or in the other direction, could be in my opinion a security risk.
> 
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Oh, how so?
> 
> Because the files accessed from within the chroot once it's broken are the
> SAME FILES as on the real system.
> Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of having a chroot?

Maybe. But doesn't bind mounts have the same effect (or can one do a
read-only bind mount)?  One has to choose one of two evils: either use
symlinks/bind mounts to have the file being the same, and breaking into the
chroot alows one to modify the file. Or copy the file from the canon
location into the chroot once in a while [which is what I do].

> > Get some sleep. Links from inside the chroot to outside do not work, unless
> > the kernel is fucked up.
> 
> Hard links work fine.

Who would do something as stupid as hardlinking to a file inside a chroot?
Nevermind, I think I'm happier without this bit of info (I keep chroots in a
filesystem of their own for a reason ;) ).

> > 
> > NEVER. This is not some low-grade distribution where you can go around
> > scattering configuration files all over the filesystem.  I will fight tooth
> > and nail against such an atrocity.
> > 
> 
> I agree wholeheartedly here.
> 
> I don't see what's so hard about rsync'ing the files from /etc to the
> chroot in the init script each time the daemon is started.

Which is what I do in my chroot scripts, and what postfix does in its chroot
script (and that was exactly the example I gave of "chroot done right" in
sometime ago in this thread).

The only thing better than initializing the chroot from a canon copy, would
be read-only bind mounts, which are not available in the 2.2 kernels at
best.

-- 
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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

[Aaron Lehmann]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 08:15:08PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> When a package that has been ITP'ed is finally packaged, I'd like to
> suggest that it be reassigned to ftp.debian.org.

Branden, stop making hysterical comments.

Re: PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

[James Troup]

Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Apparently the package is never to be accepted into Debian,

Err, no, I never said that.  I said it would be processed normally and
that you would not harass us into special casing you.

-- 
James

PROPOSED: slight change to wnpp procedures

[Branden Robinson]

See  for reference.

When a package that has been ITP'ed is finally packaged, I'd like to
suggest that it be reassigned to ftp.debian.org.  The package changelog
can and should still use "Closes: #", so that the bug is
closed automatically, but this way it is clear that the matter is out of
the (prospective) package maintainer's hands, or those of the WNPP
group, and in that of the FTP maintainers.

If a package is rejected by the FTP admins, they should email the bug
number and explain why.  If by its very nature a package can't be
accepted into the project, perhaps the bug should retitled "UTP" [unable
to package] and reassigned to wnpp.

Advantages:

1) This better reflects the actual process by which packages get into
Debian, and who is responsible for a package at a given stage of its
life-cycle.

2) This gives the FTP admins a place to put information relevant to the
process of accepting (or not) a new package into the archive.  For
instance, here's part of the output of ls -hlrt on auric's incoming
directory:

-rw-r--r--1 philhDebian   1.2k Jul  3 02:31 
memoization_1.0-4_i386.changes
-rw-r--r--1 viralDebian   1007 Jul  3 13:49 
kernel-patch-folk_1.10-1_hppa.changes
-rw-rw-r--1 troupDebian   1.0k Jul  6 13:25 
mnews_1.22PL5-1_i386.changes
-rw-r--r--1 troupDebian   1000 Aug 29 16:50 
sword-comm-mhcc_1.1-1_i386.changes
-rw-r--r--1 troupDebian   1019 Aug 29 17:01 
sword-dict-naves_1.1-1_i386.changes
-rw-r--r--1 was  Debian988 Sep  1 22:21 
csmash-demosong_1.0_i386.changes
-rw-r--r--1 chanop   Debian   1.2k Sep 15 02:59 
libjpeg-mmx_0.1.3-1_i386.changes
-rw-r--r--1 chanop   Debian   1.3k Sep 15 03:03 
libmpeg3_1.4-1_i386.changes
-rw-r--r--1 chanop   Debian   1.1k Sep 15 07:43 
bcast_2000c-1_i386.changes
-rw-r--r--1 branden  Debian   1.5k Sep 18 09:43 
xmailtool_3.1.2b-1.4_i386.changes
-rw-r--r--1 gibreel  Debian   1.9k Sep 19 12:43 
j2se1.3-powerpc_1.3.0-1_powerpc.changes
-rw-r--r--1 gibreel  Debian   2.1k Sep 20 13:28 
j2se1.3-i386_1.3.1-1.1_i386.changes
-rw-r--r--1 marillat Debian   1.3k Sep 21 10:46 rte_0.3.1-1_i386.changes

Some of those packages have been there quite a while.  Some of them,
like the FOLK collection of kernel packages, and Broadcast 2000, are
quite interesting, but I'm not sure where to look for information about
why they haven't been accepted yet (other new packages have been in the
meantime).  After xmailtool sat in the incoming queue for several days,
I filed a bug against ftp.debian.org .

"Hi,

xmailtool is one of those de facto unmaintained packages that hasn't
seen an upload since potato released.

I uploaded an NMU on September 18th that fixes a serious bug in the
package (it has a file overlap with xlibs, which might actually be a
grave bug, not just serious).

Please add xmailtool to the katie database.  madison knows about the
version in stable, if that's any help."

The bug was quickly closed by one of the FTP admins:

"xmailtool is a NEW package.  It will be processed as normal. You are
not going to harass us into special casing you by filing hysterical
bug reports."

So I replied:

"Please quote to me the part of the report that was hysterical, so I can
avoid using such language in the future."

The FTP admins' only further reply was to the BTS control bot:

"tags 113360 wontfix
severity 113360 wishlist
thanks

Bored now."

Clearly not a very productive exchange.  Apparently the package is never
to be accepted into Debian, and the FTP admins have not explained why.

Disadvantages:

I can't think of any.

Comments?  WNPP guys, what do you think?

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Re: XFS Kernel image packaging

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, John H. Robinson, IV wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 12:02:01AM +0200, Dominik Kubla wrote:
> > 
> > There are _no_ kernel images for patched kernels as far as i can tell.
> 
> kernel-image-idepci and kernel-image-reiserfs for a couple.

All m68k kernel-images (and possibly other arches as well, but I'm only
familiar with m68k ;-) are patched. 

A vanilla Linus source tree is always (well, mostly so) lagging behind
m68k kernel development, so patches are necessary.

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Alan Shutko]

Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Because the files accessed from within the chroot once it's broken are the
> SAME FILES as on the real system.

We're not discussing running two binds on a system, one in a chroot
and one not.  (Although I think I understand your concern now.)

We're discussing running exactly one bind in a chroot, so that if bind
is exploited, the damage is minimized.

Then, for ease of maintenance, we're discussing symlinking /etc/bind
to /wherever/chroot/etc/bind, so you can edit the configuration files
as if they were in etc.

We're on the same page so far, right?

Your concern seems to be that an attacker would break the bind within
the chroot and edit the configuration files.  If the files were copied
from a file outside the chroot (and thus out of their realm to
modify), you think this would add security, right?

It would add as much security to have but one copy of those files
modifiable only by root, read-only by anyone else (ie, the bind
process in the chroot).  Then, unless the attacker managed to get root
from bind, they can't modify the files... and if they could get root
from bind, they can break the chroot anyway.  (man 2 chroot)

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Re: XFS Kernel image packaging

[John H. Robinson, IV]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 04:47:00PM -0600, Russel Ingram wrote:
> >
> Okie dokie.  Does anyone have an answer for me on how to get around the
> custom-1.00 tag on my packages?

take a look at the source for kernel-image

apt-get source kernel-image-2.2.19

-john

Re: XFS Kernel image packaging

[John H. Robinson, IV]

On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 12:02:01AM +0200, Dominik Kubla wrote:
> 
> There are _no_ kernel images for patched kernels as far as i can tell.

kernel-image-idepci and kernel-image-reiserfs for a couple.

-john

Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Sam Couter]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Christian Kurz wrote:
> But having a link from either the config-files in /etc/bind to $CHROOT
> or in the other direction, could be in my opinion a security risk.

Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh, how so?

Because the files accessed from within the chroot once it's broken are the
SAME FILES as on the real system.
Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of having a chroot?

> Get some sleep. Links from inside the chroot to outside do not work, unless
> the kernel is fucked up.

Hard links work fine.

> 
> NEVER. This is not some low-grade distribution where you can go around
> scattering configuration files all over the filesystem.  I will fight tooth
> and nail against such an atrocity.
> 

I agree wholeheartedly here.

I don't see what's so hard about rsync'ing the files from /etc to the
chroot in the init script each time the daemon is started.
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lintian releases

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

Seeing how I made DWN I thought I should send an update.

1.20.15 was admitted in this morning and everyone should get it in today's
upgrade.  It closes around 20 bugs.  1.20.16 was just uploaded due to two bugs
submitted by Eduard Bloch.  Lintian now has two more errors:

a) you declare a relation on a package more than once i.e. Depends: foo, foo
(<< 2.0).  Note this check assumes that '|' relations are sane, so Depends: foo
| bar | baz, foo is ok.

b) UPX binaries are flagged as an error.  It was discussed on irc and lists
several months back that Debian did not want compressed binaries.  The other
reason for this is lintian's previous behaviour was to fall over due to objdump
not giving good error info.

Comments, suggestions, and bugs welcome as always.

Re: XFS Kernel image packaging

[Russel Ingram]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Dominik Kubla wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:12:52PM -0600, Russel Ingram wrote:
> > Pardon me if I sound like a newbie here.  I am fairly new to the Debian
> > way, but I am a Linux veteran.  I have noticed that there are patches
> > available in the debian package tree for the XFS filesystem but there are
> > no available kernel-image packages with XFS already built in.  Is there a
> > specific reason for this or is it just because no one has stepped forward
> > to offer such a package?
>
> There are _no_ kernel images for patched kernels as far as i can tell.
>
> > If the latter is true I would be willing to be a maintainer for a
> > kernel-*-xfs package set if no one else is working on it.  I haven't been
> > able to find any references specific to making kernel packages in the
> > packaging manual or the policies so I'm also curious about whether or not
> > official debian kernel packages are created with the make-kpkg command or
> > if it has to be done with dpkg-deb tool.  I've used the make-kpkg command
> > to create kernel packages, but they always come out with a custom-1.00
> > label on them and I haven't figured out how to get around that.
>
> Please wait before rolling out a kernel-*-xfs package. Things are in flux
> right now due to XFS and EXT2FS/EXT3FS moving to a common api for extended
> attributes and access control lists.  Andreas Grünbacher warned on the
> acl-devel list that he will have to break binary compatibility for the EXT2FS
> patches.   This is one of the reasons that the EXT2FS-releated EA/ACL stuff
> has not been made available by me.  The ITP still stands, but i will not
> roll out packages i know will break later on.
>
Okie dokie.  Does anyone have an answer for me on how to get around the
custom-1.00 tag on my packages?


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Re: handling password expiration in display managers

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> What, if anything, is the standard way for doing this?

Properly implement PAM support and PAM will do all the necessary
work for you. I suspect current gdm handles it properly.

Wichert.

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Re: XFS Kernel image packaging

[Dmitriy]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:12:52PM -0600, Russel Ingram wrote:
[snip]
> if it has to be done with dpkg-deb tool.  I've used the make-kpkg command
> to create kernel packages, but they always come out with a custom-1.00
> label on them and I haven't figured out how to get around that.
try `make-kpkg --revision something0.99 ...`

see man page for more info.

> 
> Thanx,
> Russ
> 
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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Branden Robinson]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:18:49AM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> One thing, though.  After Branden's NMU of wdm 1.20-11.2,
> /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers has all X server lines commented out.  It used to
> be that the postinst would uncomment one if the user requested it that
> wdm be used to manage :0.
> 
> Since the debconf default-display-manager mechanism is now used to
> determine which display manager runs, shouldn't wdm/Xservers contain a
> valid server line for :0?

Yes.  Did I do that?  Oops.  Sorry.

When you do your next MU, please also make the following change to the
prerm (see #113070):

  if [ "$THIS_PACKAGE" = "$RET" ]; then
db_fset shared/default-x-display-manager isdefault true
db_input critical shared/default-x-display-manager || true
db_go
db_get shared/default-x-display-manager
+   if [ -e $DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE ] && \
+  [ "$(cat $DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE)" != "$THIS_DISPLAY_MANAGER" 
]; then
+ rm $DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE
+   fi
message "Please be sure to run \"dpkg-reconfigure $RET\"."

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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Branden Robinson]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 06:16:37PM +0300, Jaakko Niemi wrote:
>  Perhaps the packages could do something about it. This is certainly
> FAQ material.

Yeah, hence the fact that my message to Dale quoted from my own FAQ,
available in xfree86-common.

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handling password expiration in display managers

[Noah Meyerhans]

Do any display managers (gdm, kdm, xdm, whatever) currently handle
password expiration correctly?  Currently wdm does not handle it at all
(you simply can't log in), and I want to fix it.  What, if anything, is
the standard way for doing this?

CDE's dtwm is the only display manager I've seen that supports password
expiration, which it does by (as far as I can tell) replacing the
standard X session with 'xterm -e passwd'.

I've not done any programming with the PAM libraries, so I don't know
how to catch the expiration message from the pam authentication
routines.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.
noah

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Re: what happened to the dput package?

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> why the depends on gpg?

Checking for valid signatures?

Wichert.

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XFS Kernel image packaging

[Russel Ingram]

Pardon me if I sound like a newbie here.  I am fairly new to the Debian
way, but I am a Linux veteran.  I have noticed that there are patches
available in the debian package tree for the XFS filesystem but there are
no available kernel-image packages with XFS already built in.  Is there a
specific reason for this or is it just because no one has stepped forward
to offer such a package?

If the latter is true I would be willing to be a maintainer for a
kernel-*-xfs package set if no one else is working on it.  I haven't been
able to find any references specific to making kernel packages in the
packaging manual or the policies so I'm also curious about whether or not
official debian kernel packages are created with the make-kpkg command or
if it has to be done with dpkg-deb tool.  I've used the make-kpkg command
to create kernel packages, but they always come out with a custom-1.00
label on them and I haven't figured out how to get around that.

Thanx,
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Re: what happened to the dput package?

[Christian Kurz]

On 01-09-25 Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> > No, dput doesn't depend on ssh, it only suggest it like rsync. But it
> > depends on GnuPG now, therefor the change.
 
> why the depends on gpg?

Because the default behaviour of dput is to check the signatures on the
.dsc and the .changes file. So it won't be useful without GnuPG in the
default behaviour except you select to ignore the signature check.

Christian
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Re: what happened to the dput package?

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

> 
> No, dput doesn't depend on ssh, it only suggest it like rsync. But it
> depends on GnuPG now, therefor the change.
> 

why the depends on gpg?

Re: what happened to the dput package?

[Christian Kurz]

On 01-09-25 Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> On 25-Sep-2001 Steve M. Robbins wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 02:10:22PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 02:07:36PM +0200, Jochen Voss wrote:
> >> > there used to be a package called "dput",
> >> > but now I cannot find it anymore.  For example
> >> > visiting
> >> > 
> >> > http://packages.debian.org/dput
> >> > 
> >> > shows the message "No responses to your query"
> >> > and aptitude lists it as an obsolete package.
> >> > What happened to this package?  Was it renamed?
> >> > Or did a do something wrong?
> >> 
> >> It's moving to non-us, but is (was?) NEW, pending an overrides update.
> > 
> > Really?  Why?
> 
> it likely wants to depend on ssh.

No, dput doesn't depend on ssh, it only suggest it like rsync. But it
depends on GnuPG now, therefor the change.

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Re: xmodmap???

[Michael Meskes]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 04:50:28PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> You may want to check out what's written here:
> ...

Sorry you misunderstood me. I was able to get the Euro symbol but I have to
run xmodmap every time I start X by hand. It should be run automatically and
in fact it is, but the result is somehow overwritten again. BTW this is
version 4.1.0-5.

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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Jules Bean]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:28:39AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> 
> Now I seem to have some font problems. Netscape seems to be OK, but the
> GIMP comes up with [] [] [] [] [] in place of the hint text. The title
> bars are OK but any "filled in" text is just [] repeated. Any hints?

Branden gives a detailed answer.

I will add that for me, ensuring that I had 4.1 versions my X sever,
my x font server, and the X fonts packages, and then restarting the
machine (or, preusmably, just the appropriate servers) fixed the
problem.

Jules

RE: Disappearing task-* packages!

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 25-Sep-2001 Taral wrote:
> All the task-* packages seem to be missing from the main Packages file!
> Where did they go?
> 
> P.S. If this was announced, perhaps the announcement should have gone to
> the debian-devel-announce list?
> 

Task packages are deprecated, tasksel now handles them.  This was announced
several months back.

Disappearing task-* packages!

[Taral]

All the task-* packages seem to be missing from the main Packages file!
Where did they go?

P.S. If this was announced, perhaps the announcement should have gone to
the debian-devel-announce list?

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Re: ITP: kernel-patch-selinux

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"John" == John Galt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 John> First of all, I doubt that you're going to have too much
 John> trouble getting a response from SElinux.  They've been pretty
 John> good on responding to their mailinglist

I had sent in an informal request for clarification to the
 mailing list (and, after a mini-fiasco of not posting from the email
 address I was subscribed with, and reposting), and it has been
 forwarded to the lawyers in question (the ones who wanted the click
 through disclaimer). 

The post should be showing up on the SELinux list any time
 now. 

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Roberto Suarez Soto]

On Sep/25/2001, Christian Kurz wrote:

> Were exactly do we force them? Which debian packages do not work well
> with a 2.0.x kernel?

I think that maybe he refers to the fact that, for example, you may
have formatted your ext2 partitions so they are incompatible with 2.0.x
kernels. Or to the lot of programs (iptables and related, for example) that
only work with 2.4.x.

But anyway, I agree with the poster. I think there are things that are
easier to do upgrading to 2.4.x, and trying to do them with 2.2.x may be much
worse due to the mess it would be to keep things compatible. My opinion,
anyway.

> That's a nice attitude, which will lead to the situation that
> people, especially administrators, will move away from debian to either
> other distributions, a bsd flavour or other free operating systems.

Have you tried any *BSD? I would prefer any Debian to them if I had to
seriously take charge of one :-) (but again, that's only my opinion; and I'm
not much knowledgeable in BSD systems anyway)

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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Dave Swegen]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:41:47AM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 04:35:51PM +0100, Dave Swegen wrote:
> > > Since the debconf default-display-manager mechanism is now used to
> > > determine which display manager runs, shouldn't wdm/Xservers contain a
> > > valid server line for :0?
> > 
> > Just uncommented the last line in /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers, and wdm ran
> > perfectly well. It was the reason why wdm did nothing. So it would seem
> > that postinst (or something) isn't doing the right thing).
> 
> Well, it's not quite that.  It's that postinst used to do something that
> would (possibly) result in that line being uncommented.  That was how
> it would resolve conflicts between xdm and wdm.  Of course, this also
> necessitated that postinst edited xdm's Xservers file to comment out its
> xserver line.  That's against policy (one package can't touch another's
> config files).
> 
> So now we've got a nice debconf mechanism for choosing the display
> manager, and all that junk about commenting and uncommenting lines is
> removed.  However, the line in Xservers was commented by default to
> ensure no breakage.  Nothing in the postinst script should touch that
> file, the file should just contain the right value by default.
> 
> I will fix that unless Branden can supply me with some reason that it
> should not be the case.  I can't imagine that there'd be one, though.

Well there you go. You learn something new everyday. In this case the
lesson is "always read the whole thread before posting" :)

Cheers
Dave

Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 04:35:51PM +0100, Dave Swegen wrote:
> > Since the debconf default-display-manager mechanism is now used to
> > determine which display manager runs, shouldn't wdm/Xservers contain a
> > valid server line for :0?
> 
> Just uncommented the last line in /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers, and wdm ran
> perfectly well. It was the reason why wdm did nothing. So it would seem
> that postinst (or something) isn't doing the right thing).

Well, it's not quite that.  It's that postinst used to do something that
would (possibly) result in that line being uncommented.  That was how
it would resolve conflicts between xdm and wdm.  Of course, this also
necessitated that postinst edited xdm's Xservers file to comment out its
xserver line.  That's against policy (one package can't touch another's
config files).

So now we've got a nice debconf mechanism for choosing the display
manager, and all that junk about commenting and uncommenting lines is
removed.  However, the line in Xservers was commented by default to
ensure no breakage.  Nothing in the postinst script should touch that
file, the file should just contain the right value by default.

I will fix that unless Branden can supply me with some reason that it
should not be the case.  I can't imagine that there'd be one, though.

noah

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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Dave Swegen]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:18:49AM -0400, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:40:58AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:28:39AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > > On the installation in question the Xservers file has everything commented
> > > out. The default-display-manager file contains the line:
> > > 
> > > /usr/bin/X11/wdm
> > > 
> > > I put the correct line into the Xservers file and wdm comes up as
> > > expected! Thanks! (what process should have put this in?)
> > 
> > High-priority debconf questions from gdm, kdm, wdm, and xdm.
> 
> One thing, though.  After Branden's NMU of wdm 1.20-11.2,
> /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers has all X server lines commented out.  It used to
> be that the postinst would uncomment one if the user requested it that
> wdm be used to manage :0.
> 
> Since the debconf default-display-manager mechanism is now used to
> determine which display manager runs, shouldn't wdm/Xservers contain a
> valid server line for :0?

Just uncommented the last line in /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers, and wdm ran
perfectly well. It was the reason why wdm did nothing. So it would seem
that postinst (or something) isn't doing the right thing).

Cheers
Dave

Re: Loader

[mdanish]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 08:13:33AM -0700, BERNARDES,JOAN (Non-HP-Brazil,ex1) 
wrote:
>   Hi,
>   I want to make a warm boot from Linux to Dos, do you know if it's
> possible?
>   Somebody tested this yet:
>   There was a BIOS set up interrupt (INT19 form memory) which could be
> called to start a warm boot. There shouldn't be a problem changing the
> shutdown code (or whatever code normally reboots the machine) to simply call
> INT19 last.
It was INT 019h, but I believe that can only be used from real-mode ...


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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Christian Kurz]

On 01-09-25 Martin F Krafft wrote:
> also sprach Christian Kurz (on Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:59:13PM +0200):
> > Hm, that doesn't make much sense too me. I think the best thing would be
> > to have /etc/bind inside $CHROOT and having no symlink. 

> except if you want to enable the usual /etc/bind/ editing of
> conf-files, which would make administering the chroot no different
> than administering the non-chrooted bind.

Wouldn't that also be possible by using cp -axp to sync the two copies
of the config files? 

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Christian Kurz]

On 01-09-25 Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 25-Sep-01, 03:12 (CDT), Christian Kurz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > 
> > As I wrote in two emails before, this isn't a solution, since this
> > forces an administrator to use kernel 2.4.x instead of maybe still using
> > 2.2.x.
> 
> I am so tired of hearing things like this. Nobody is forcing anyone to
> do anything. We already "force" them to use 2.2 instead of still using
> 2.0. You want the functionality, you use the right tools. You want to

Were exactly do we force them? Which debian packages do not work well
with a 2.0.x kernel?

> stick with 2.2, then *you* deal with the issues. The maintainers have

That's a nice attitude, which will lead to the situation that
people, especially administrators, will move away from debian to either
other distributions, a bsd flavour or other free operating systems.

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Re: what happened to the dput package?

[Christian Kurz]

On 01-09-25 Jochen Voss wrote:
> there used to be a package called "dput",
> but now I cannot find it anymore.  For example
> visiting
> 
> http://packages.debian.org/dput
> 
> shows the message "No responses to your query"
> and aptitude lists it as an obsolete package.
> What happened to this package?  Was it renamed?
> Or did a do something wrong?

No, you did absolutely nothing wrong. Due to the new dependency on GnuPG
of dput, it had to be removed from ftp.debian.org and reuploaded to
non-us.debian.org. But after uploading it to non-us.debian.org there's
still some action from the ftp masters needed to make it available
again. This hasn't happened so far. I can make a temporary second upload
of the current package version to people.debian.org.

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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:40:58AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:28:39AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > On the installation in question the Xservers file has everything commented
> > out. The default-display-manager file contains the line:
> > 
> > /usr/bin/X11/wdm
> > 
> > I put the correct line into the Xservers file and wdm comes up as
> > expected! Thanks! (what process should have put this in?)
> 
> High-priority debconf questions from gdm, kdm, wdm, and xdm.

One thing, though.  After Branden's NMU of wdm 1.20-11.2,
/etc/X11/wdm/Xservers has all X server lines commented out.  It used to
be that the postinst would uncomment one if the user requested it that
wdm be used to manage :0.

Since the debconf default-display-manager mechanism is now used to
determine which display manager runs, shouldn't wdm/Xservers contain a
valid server line for :0?

noah
(wdm maintainer)

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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Jaakko Niemi]

Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:28:39AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > Now I seem to have some font problems. Netscape seems to be OK, but the
> > GIMP comes up with [] [] [] [] [] in place of the hint text. The title
> > bars are OK but any "filled in" text is just [] repeated. Any hints?
> 
> Some have reported that running xfs (the X font server, not the
> filesystem!) helps with this. I don't know more details, merely passing
> on hearsay ...

 Restarting X and _all_ fontservers has helped on numerous occasions
with same problem. 

 Perhaps the packages could do something about it. This is certainly
FAQ material.

-j

RE: Loader

[BERNARDES,JOAN \(Non-HP-Brazil,ex1\)]

Hi,
I want to make a warm boot from Linux to Dos, do you know if it's
possible?
Somebody tested this yet:
There was a BIOS set up interrupt (INT19 form memory) which could be
called to start a warm boot. There shouldn't be a problem changing the
shutdown code (or whatever code normally reboots the machine) to simply call
INT19 last.

Thanks,
Joan.

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From: Scott Dier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: segunda-feira, 24 de setembro de 2001 15:40
To: BERNARDES,JOAN (Non-HP-Brazil,ex1)
Cc: Lista Debian Developer's (E-mail)
Subject: Re: Loader


* BERNARDES,JOAN (Non-HP-Brazil,ex1) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010924
13:33]:
>   Hi all, 
>   This question don't have nothing to do with Debian, but I will try.
>   I want to know if exists an MS-DOS Loader for Linux. There is any
> tool that can load DOS under Linux? (Like loadlin load Linux in DOS).

You might want to have a lilo dos target and use 'lilo -R dos' then
issue a reboot.

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Re: what happened to the dput package?

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 25-Sep-2001 Steve M. Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 02:10:22PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 02:07:36PM +0200, Jochen Voss wrote:
>> > there used to be a package called "dput",
>> > but now I cannot find it anymore.  For example
>> > visiting
>> > 
>> > http://packages.debian.org/dput
>> > 
>> > shows the message "No responses to your query"
>> > and aptitude lists it as an obsolete package.
>> > What happened to this package?  Was it renamed?
>> > Or did a do something wrong?
>> 
>> It's moving to non-us, but is (was?) NEW, pending an overrides update.
> 
> Really?  Why?
> 

it likely wants to depend on ssh.

Re: xmodmap???

[Martin Schulze]

Michael Meskes wrote:
> I tried activating the Euro symbol. To do so I have to activate it on
> AltGr-E. So that should be easy. I just created a .Xmodmap file in my home
> which contains:
> 
> keycode 26 = e E currency 
> 
> This works if executed by hand, but not automatically. I verified that the
> file is xmodmap'ed in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40xfree86-common_xmodmap but the
> key is no longer available once X has started. I checked some archives and
> found that others have/had the very same problem. But I did not find an
> explanation for this. On the other hand there appears to be no bug report
> either against xbase-clients. At least that's what the web page search on
> bugs.debian.org said.
> 
> Any idea?

You may want to check out what's written here:

http://www.hp.com/workstations/support/documentation/technotes/linux/localization.html
hp VISUALIZE Workstations - Linux Localization

It may contain the solution for you, or it may not, I have't read in detail.
On http://channel.debian.de/ there could be a description as well, not sure
though.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: what happened to the dput package?

[Steve M. Robbins]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 02:10:22PM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 02:07:36PM +0200, Jochen Voss wrote:
> > there used to be a package called "dput",
> > but now I cannot find it anymore.  For example
> > visiting
> > 
> > http://packages.debian.org/dput
> > 
> > shows the message "No responses to your query"
> > and aptitude lists it as an obsolete package.
> > What happened to this package?  Was it renamed?
> > Or did a do something wrong?
> 
> It's moving to non-us, but is (was?) NEW, pending an overrides update.

Really?  Why?

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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Branden Robinson]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:28:39AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> On the installation in question the Xservers file has everything commented
> out. The default-display-manager file contains the line:
> 
> /usr/bin/X11/wdm
> 
> I put the correct line into the Xservers file and wdm comes up as
> expected! Thanks! (what process should have put this in?)

High-priority debconf questions from gdm, kdm, wdm, and xdm.

> Now I seem to have some font problems. Netscape seems to be OK, but the
> GIMP comes up with [] [] [] [] [] in place of the hint text. The title
> bars are OK but any "filled in" text is just [] repeated. Any hints?

  Debian X Window System Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) List

[...]

  *) I recently upgraded some packages, and now instead of readable text, some
 characters appear as little gray boxes.  Why?

  A long-standing bug in many X clients and the widget libraries they use was
  recently brought to light by the addition of fonts encoded in ISO 10646-1
  ("Unicode" in common parlance) to the X Window System.  The details are highly
  technical.

  The short answer: It's a bug in the application, or the widget toolkit (e.g.,
  GTK+) that it uses.  The authors and maintainers of all commonly-used widget
  libraries are aware of the problem and a fix will likely appear in the future
  (or may already be available by the time you read this).

  It is not -- repeat *NOT* -- a bug in the X server, the X libraries, the X
  fonts, or anything having to do with the XFree86 packages.

  The long answer, courtesy of Markus Kuhn:

  (from )

ANNOUNCEMENT AND WARNING:

The classic and widely used X11 BDF bitmap font families "-misc-fixed-*",
"-adobe-*", and "-b&h-*" have been extended from ISO8859-1 to ISO10646-1
(Unicode) to accommodate users of more languages and mathematical symbols
under X11 and to facilitate the migration towards UTF-8. They are available
on

  http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs-fonts.html
  http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/download/ucs-fonts-75dpi100dpi.tar.gz

Most likely, XFree86 4.1 will include these "*-iso10646-1" fonts, so they
will become quickly widely installed.

Unfortunately, GTK+ 1.2.3 contained a bug that was triggered by the mere
presence of a certain Unicode font, namely

-Adobe-Helvetica-Medium-R-Normal--12-120-75-75-P-67-ISO10646-1

In gtk/gtkstyle.c, the line

  gdk_font_load ("-adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*");

simply picks the first font in the alphabet that matches the wildcard.  With
the ISO10646-1 fonts present, this will be

  -Adobe-Helvetica-Medium-R-Normal--12-120-75-75-P-67-ISO10646-1

instead of

  -Adobe-Helvetica-Medium-R-Normal--12-120-75-75-P-67-ISO8859-1

Getting an ISO10646-1 font instead of an ISO8859-1 font should normally not
make a big difference to an application. The latter is just a superset of
the former, it contains in the first 256 glyph positions the same Latin-1
characters as the old ISO8859-1 font and just consumes a bit more memory.
Almost all X clients survive the addition of an ISO10646-1 font or even the
replacement of all ISO8859-1 fonts by ISO10646-1 fonts without any problem.

GTK+ 1.2.3 broke badly, because gdk/gdkfont.c contained several unfortunate
code pieces that tested whether a font contained any characters > 0xff and
then treated any string written out in such a font as a (Japanese, etc.) EUC
coded string of 16-bit values. So if you tried to print 8-bit text with an
ISO10646-1 font, all you saw were default character boxes. For this reason,
XFree86 delayed the introduction of ISO10646-1 versions of the Adobe fonts
by a year after I reported this GTK+ bug in 1999-08-06 to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This year is soon over.

Newer versions of GTK+ (I just looked at 1.2.9) fixed this problem by
explicitly specifying "*-iso8859-1" in the default font. So I hope nothing
too bad will happen if XFree86 4.1 adds the new fonts soon.  However there
might still be numerous older GTK+ applications around for which an update
or workaround will be necessary.

You hereby have been warned!

  Other clients and toolkits have similar issues anytime they request a font
  with no specific character set or encoding in the request, but make
  assumptions about the properties of the font they get back (for instance, that
  it contains no more than 256 codepoints).  The moral?  Don't claim to not care
  about such things as character set encodings if you actually do care.  If you
  want ISO 8859-1, ask for it.

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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Colin Watson]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:28:39AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> Now I seem to have some font problems. Netscape seems to be OK, but the
> GIMP comes up with [] [] [] [] [] in place of the hint text. The title
> bars are OK but any "filled in" text is just [] repeated. Any hints?

Some have reported that running xfs (the X font server, not the
filesystem!) helps with this. I don't know more details, merely passing
on hearsay ...

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Re: Tool to generate an override file from packages?

[Colin Watson]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 07:56:05PM +0800, Lindsay Allen wrote:
> I have need of the script which generates .../dists/sid/Release.
> AFAIKT it is not in apt-ftparchives.  Can anyone help here, please?

Try ziyi, at http://cvs.debian.org/dak/ziyi?cvsroot=dak.

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Re: proposal for an Apache (web server) task force

[Ola Lundqvist]

On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 08:42:44AM -0500, Ardo van Rangelrooij wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to propose to form an Apache (web server) task force to
> maintain the Apache packages currently maintained by Johnie Ingram (netgod)
> (and potentially related packages if the need arises).  The current state of
> Apache and the recent
> need to fix at least some of the outstanding bugs led me to the conclusion a
> more active maintenance of these packages is needed.  The intend of this
> proposal is not to simply take over the packages (although it might come to
> that), but to help in the maintenance of them.

This sounds like a good Idea. Yes I'm late in this discussion but I do
not follow debian-devel extremely regular and I missed this thread. :)

> As the first step I propose to add an Uploaders field to the package (once
> we have a list of people).

I'd like to help. I have a lot of ideas for how to configure apache
from other packages. Right now I have a special system at work but
it is not very compatible with the apache one. I also maintain wwwconfig-common
that does similar things. What I want is a better system because none of
what I have mentioned works very well. Wwwconfig-common works but it
should not exist at all because apache and the database tools should
provide this functionality. :)

See bug #112553 for my ideas of how things should be configured.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=112553&repeatmerged=yes

Regards,

// Ola

> Some of the other things this task force would do are
> 
>  - writing up guidelines for packaging Apache modules (a kind of policy doc)

Great idea. Something like the debian-java policy.

>  - migration to Apache 2 (IIRC an ITP for this has already been filed by 
> somebody)
> 
> I also propose to set up a mailing list for this.

Just subscribed. :)

Regards,

// Ola

> Thanks,
> Ardo
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Re: Backports and debhelper 3 for potato (was: Tool to generate an override file from packages?)

[Christian Marillat]

 "MH" == Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[...]

> Is it _really_ that hard to get debhelper 3 for potato?

I did a backport 3 months ago (3.0.31). Only a little bug, you need to call
dh_perl with -d.

Except that, I never received any "bug report"

http://marillat.free.fr/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/index.html

Christian

Re: Looking for Martin Quinson (Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:13:12AM +0200))

[Martin Quinson]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:33:56AM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:33:43AM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
> > I'm still alive ! ;)
> > 
> > The mail server of my school had some hard problems yesterday. I reply
> > privately now..
> 
> This doesn't help me. Provide an alternate email address please.

May be a problem with ECN. The firewall of my scholl is broken. Remove ECN
from your kernel, or write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...

Sorry, Mt.

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Bug#113471: [ITP]: g3data -- extract data from scanned graphs

[Peter S Galbraith]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist

  Package name: g3data
  Version : 1.06
  Upstream Author : Jonas Frantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  URL : http://www.physics.helsinki.fi/~frantz/software/g3data.html
  License : GPL V2 or later
  Description : extract data from scanned graphs

  g3data is used for extracting data from graphs.  For example, graphs
  are typically published in scientific journals without tables of the
  actual data; g3data makes the process of extracting these data easy.

Re: Backports and debhelper 3 for potato (was: Tool to generate an override file from packages?)

[Daniel Burrows]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 03:14:09PM +0200, Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> >Seems a lot less than most packages.
> 
> Make that "most packages I happen to backport". I am surely only using
> a small fraction of Debian, because I mostly run servers that don't
> have X or any nifty stuff installed, but I frequently encounter
> packages that need debhelper 3. I am not complaining about this,
> though. It is good to have new stuff developed.

  How many of them actually use debhelper 3 features?  I know I've been
guilty of gratuitously setting DH_COMPAT=3 now and then (and I know
dh_make defaults to it, which doesn't help)

  In at least some cases, changing that to DH_COMPAT=2 and maybe making a
few other small tweaks should get a decent backport.  It looks like the
only v3 features of interest [0] are globbing in config files,
automagic insertion of ldconfig by dh_makeshlibs, and automagic
conffile-tagging by dh_installdeb.  Depending on the package you're
compiling, these might not even matter..

  Daniel

  [0] from debhelper(1)

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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Dave Swegen]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:08:15AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:53:38AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > > I copied XF86Config from my old Woody system into the newly upgraded
> > > system and, while startx works just fine, wdm starts up but doesn't start
> > > the server, or log any messages in /var/log/wdm.log. (the log file exists,
> > > but is empty) (current version of wdm is: 1.20-11.2)
> > 
> > What's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager and /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers?
> 
> There is no file /etc/X11/default-display-manager. What should it contain?
> 
> /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers has the one uncommented line:
> 
> :0 local /usr/bin/X11/X vt7 -deferglyphs 16

I thought I should add an me too to this. wdm starts up but
does absolotely nothing. xdm (which I gave up on after numerous versions
wouldn't let me log in) works quite happily.

Using kernel 2.4.9, xserver-xfree86 4.1.0-6, same version of wdm, using
a mix of unstable and testing.

Cheers
Dave

Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Dale Scheetz]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:53:38AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > I copied XF86Config from my old Woody system into the newly upgraded
> > system and, while startx works just fine, wdm starts up but doesn't start
> > the server, or log any messages in /var/log/wdm.log. (the log file exists,
> > but is empty) (current version of wdm is: 1.20-11.2)
> 
> What's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager and /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers?
> 
Sorry, my last report was bogus. I was looking at the old Woody setup ;-(

On the installation in question the Xservers file has everything commented
out. The default-display-manager file contains the line:

/usr/bin/X11/wdm

I put the correct line into the Xservers file and wdm comes up as
expected! Thanks! (what process should have put this in?)

Now I seem to have some font problems. Netscape seems to be OK, but the
GIMP comes up with [] [] [] [] [] in place of the hint text. The title
bars are OK but any "filled in" text is just [] repeated. Any hints?

Thanks for the pointers,

Dwarf
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Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Christian Marillat]

 "AM" == Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[...]

>> But avifile need lame to encode sound no ?

> Yes, if you want mp3-Encoding.

> I see that it links against libvorbis, so perhaps sometime it'll
> be possible to use vorbis for soundcompression.

No, vcr only works with lame.

Christian

Backports and debhelper 3 for potato (was: Tool to generate an override file from packages?)

[Marc Haber]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:42:59 +1000, Anthony Towns
 wrote:
>On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 09:08:32PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> Most sid packages have Build-Depends: debhelper 3 and DH_COMPAT=3 in
>> debian/rules.
>
>find pool/main -type f | grep '/.*/.*.diff.gz' | 
>   while read a; do zgrep -l DH_COMPAT=3 "$a"; done | 
>   sed 's,/[^/]*$,,' | uniq | wc
>933 933   13697
>
>find pool/main -type f | grep '/.*/.*.diff.gz' | sed 's,/[^/]*$,,' | uniq | wc
>   35423542   49523
>
>Seems a lot less than most packages.

Make that "most packages I happen to backport". I am surely only using
a small fraction of Debian, because I mostly run servers that don't
have X or any nifty stuff installed, but I frequently encounter
packages that need debhelper 3. I am not complaining about this,
though. It is good to have new stuff developed.

>In any case, though, wanting new packages to be written and uploaded,
>and then expecting them somehow to suddenly work on a potato box without
>any backporting doesn't make any sense either.

You're right. But backporting can be easy, and it can be hard. And it
is quite frustrating that a basic tool like debhelper is such a beast
to backport. debhelper depends on debconf-utils which is only in later
debconfs. And debconf's perl scripts use a lot of perl 5.6 features
like "our", and I don't think that there is any other way to get
current debconf running on potato than backporting perl 5.6, which is
_definetely_ something beyond my knowledge.

Is it _really_ that hard to get debhelper 3 for potato?

Greetings
Marc

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Re: Potato to Woody upgrade problem

[Dale Scheetz]

On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 11:53:38AM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote:
> > I copied XF86Config from my old Woody system into the newly upgraded
> > system and, while startx works just fine, wdm starts up but doesn't start
> > the server, or log any messages in /var/log/wdm.log. (the log file exists,
> > but is empty) (current version of wdm is: 1.20-11.2)
> 
> What's in /etc/X11/default-display-manager and /etc/X11/wdm/Xservers?

There is no file /etc/X11/default-display-manager. What should it contain?

/etc/X11/wdm/Xservers has the one uncommented line:

:0 local /usr/bin/X11/X vt7 -deferglyphs 16

Thanks,

Dwarf
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Re: what happened to the dput package?

[Andrew Suffield]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 02:07:36PM +0200, Jochen Voss wrote:
> there used to be a package called "dput",
> but now I cannot find it anymore.  For example
> visiting
> 
> http://packages.debian.org/dput
> 
> shows the message "No responses to your query"
> and aptitude lists it as an obsolete package.
> What happened to this package?  Was it renamed?
> Or did a do something wrong?

It's moving to non-us, but is (was?) NEW, pending an overrides update.

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Steve Greenland]

On 25-Sep-01, 03:12 (CDT), Christian Kurz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> As I wrote in two emails before, this isn't a solution, since this
> forces an administrator to use kernel 2.4.x instead of maybe still using
> 2.2.x.

I am so tired of hearing things like this. Nobody is forcing anyone to
do anything. We already "force" them to use 2.2 instead of still using
2.0. You want the functionality, you use the right tools. You want to
stick with 2.2, then *you* deal with the issues. The maintainers have
suggested a reasonable solution. If you don't like that solution, then
it's *your* problem, not theirs.

Steve

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Christian Kurz wrote:
> On 01-09-24 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Christian Kurz wrote:
> > > Hm, that doesn't make much sense too me. I think the best thing would be
> > > to have /etc/bind inside $CHROOT and having no symlink. 
>  
> > And scratch the second-most important feature of Debian (the first one being
> > the DFSG)?  Do Not Move Config Files Out Of /etc. Ever. If you need it
> > elsewhere, at least leave a symbolic link in place.
> 
> But having a link from either the config-files in /etc/bind to $CHROOT
> or in the other direction, could be in my opinion a security risk. In my

Oh, how so?

> opinion there should be absolutely no link from $CHROOT to any file
> outside the chroot. So instead of creating a $CHROOT that contains

Get some sleep. Links from inside the chroot to outside do not work, unless
the kernel is fucked up.

As for Links from outside to inside, please expand on just how they're a
threat to security?

> and would instead suggestion to modify the documents stating that all
> config files should be in /etc to make a exception for $CHROOT.


NEVER. This is not some low-grade distribution where you can go around
scattering configuration files all over the filesystem.  I will fight tooth
and nail against such an atrocity.


-- 
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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

what happened to the dput package?

[Jochen Voss]

Hi,

there used to be a package called "dput",
but now I cannot find it anymore.  For example
visiting

http://packages.debian.org/dput

shows the message "No responses to your query"
and aptitude lists it as an obsolete package.
What happened to this package?  Was it renamed?
Or did a do something wrong?

Jochen
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sendmail-tls in non-US

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

Note: please Cc: me the answers, currently I'm not subscribed to
debian-devel.

I'm wondering why sendmail-tls is not available in non-US. I know that
is pretty easy to build the package from the sources, but still various
build-depends are needed to build it.

If nobody want, I can rebuild the package every time a new sendmail
package is available and upload it to non-US (I'm outside from the USA).

Cheers.

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Re: [Q]: GNU inetutils and debian inetutils not in sync??

[Wouter Verhelst]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Wichert Akkerman wrote:

> Previously Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> > Of course the package is GPL'ed (just like sysklogd is GPL'ed, although it
> > is forked from the BSD code), but that is not the motivation.
> 
> How can it be GPL'ed if it is modified BSD licensed code? Or has
> every line been rewritten?

BSD licenses pretty much allows that. It's not GPL; this is the main
reason why Microsoft is attacking GPL right now, and not BSDish licenses,
because they can port BSD'ed software to Windows and sell it for $$$ under
a proprietary license. Not with GPL...

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Re: Looking for Martin Quinson (Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:13:12AM +0200))

[Eric Van Buggenhaut]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 09:33:43AM +0200, Martin Quinson wrote:
> I'm still alive ! ;)
> 
> The mail server of my school had some hard problems yesterday. I reply
> privately now..

This doesn't help me. Provide an alternate email address please.

> 
> Mt
> 
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:35:07AM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
> > - Forwarded message from Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
> > 
> > Envelope-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > X-Failed-Recipients: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
> > 
> > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
> > 
> > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
> > 
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> > retry time not reached for any host after a long failure period
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Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Anthony Towns]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:11:58AM +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 02:01:15PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
> >  "EVB" == Eric Van Buggenhaut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Yes. Read legal archive:
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/debian-legal-200101/threads.html#00027
> Just read it. It looks like people at -legal don't agree with each other about
> whether opendivx codecs are free or not.

Uh, actually, it's Brian Behlendorf disagreeing with everyone else in the
thread, from what I can see. Certainly looks blatantly non-free to me.

Cheers,
aj

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Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Eric Van Buggenhaut]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2001 at 02:01:15PM +0200, Christian Marillat wrote:
>  "EVB" == Eric Van Buggenhaut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> [...]
> 
> >> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2001/debian-devel-200101/msg02634.html,
> >>  I
> >> guess.
> 
> > IIUC, this message refers to using codecs from microsoft.com, while the
> > divx4linux library provides equivalent,free codecs.
> 
> > Is this correct ?
> 
> Yes. Read legal archive:
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/debian-legal-200101/threads.html#00027


Just read it. It looks like people at -legal don't agree with each other about
whether opendivx codecs are free or not. As usual the thread derived and never
gave a clear answer ...

Can we ask ppl at -legal to make a clear 'official' statement about this
license ?

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Christian Kurz]

On 01-09-25 Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > And scratch the second-most important feature of Debian (the first one being
> > the DFSG)?  Do Not Move Config Files Out Of /etc. Ever. If you need it
> > elsewhere, at least leave a symbolic link in place.
 
> bind mounts.

As I wrote in two emails before, this isn't a solution, since this
forces an administrator to use kernel 2.4.x instead of maybe still using
2.2.x.

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Christian Kurz]

On 01-09-24 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2001, Christian Kurz wrote:
> > Hm, that doesn't make much sense too me. I think the best thing would be
> > to have /etc/bind inside $CHROOT and having no symlink. 
 
> And scratch the second-most important feature of Debian (the first one being
> the DFSG)?  Do Not Move Config Files Out Of /etc. Ever. If you need it
> elsewhere, at least leave a symbolic link in place.

But having a link from either the config-files in /etc/bind to $CHROOT
or in the other direction, could be in my opinion a security risk. In my
opinion there should be absolutely no link from $CHROOT to any file
outside the chroot. So instead of creating a $CHROOT that contains
everything without any link to the outside you want to decrease the
security by having links from outside to inside? I don't agree with that
and would instead suggestion to modify the documents stating that all
config files should be in /etc to make a exception for $CHROOT.

Christian
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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Martin F Krafft]

also sprach Wichert Akkerman (on Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:57:49AM +0200):
> > And scratch the second-most important feature of Debian (the first one being
> > the DFSG)?  Do Not Move Config Files Out Of /etc. Ever. If you need it
> > elsewhere, at least leave a symbolic link in place.
> 
> bind mounts.

read discussion.

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Re: new packages: divx4linux and transcode

[Andreas Metzler]

Christian Marillat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "AM" == Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[snip]
>> vcr uses avifile, which is not restricted to the win*-codecs anymore,
>> but supports/includes libffmpeg (http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net GPL),
>> too.

> But avifile need lame to encode sound no ?

Yes, if you want mp3-Encoding.

I see that it links against libvorbis, so perhaps sometime it'll
be possible to use vorbis for soundcompression.
 cu andreas
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Re: Looking for Martin Quinson (Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:13:12AM +0200))

[Martin Quinson]

I'm still alive ! ;)

The mail server of my school had some hard problems yesterday. I reply
privately now..

Mt

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Re: strange(?) /etc/syslog.conf

[Martijn van Oosterhout]

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 04:11:10PM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I changed sendmail to exim in my sid system a few days ago
> and found that syslogd complained like
> 
> there is no such file /var/log/mail/mail.log
> 
> (and also with mail.{err,info,warn})

I don't know if it explains your problem but by default exim does not log
via syslog. On our system all those files are empty. The exim logs are in
/var/log/exim.

Use: eximstats < /var/log/exim/mainlog  to get some neat stats about your
mail.

HTH,

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> if you have two of them, the third one comes free.

ssh and rxvt problem

[Atsuhito Kohda]

Hi all,

I recently encounterd strange problems with ssh and rxvt.

I have two sid system and tried to "ssh -X -f host rxvt"
between these systems, then rxvt came up but disappered
in a instance.

I know that ssh in sid uses protocol 2 and I succeeded
"ssh -X -f host xterm" so I guess there is no problem in
ssh settings.

But if I do "ssh -1 -X -f host rxvt" then rxvt appears
without problem.

Is this a problem with ssh or of rxvt?

And one more question is, as I explained above, 
"ssh -X -f host xterm" works fine but after exiting
xterm, it seems process of "ssh -X -f host xterm"
remains if I checked with "ps ax".

Is this normal?

Best regards,   2001.9.25

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 Atsuhito Kohda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Department of Math., Tokushima Univ.

strange(?) /etc/syslog.conf

[Atsuhito Kohda]

Hi all,

I changed sendmail to exim in my sid system a few days ago
and found that syslogd complained like

there is no such file /var/log/mail/mail.log

(and also with mail.{err,info,warn})

And, in fact, there is no /var/log/mail/ directory.

Further I found that /etc/syslog.conf contains

mail.*  /var/log/mail/mail.log

mail.info   -/var/log/mail/mail.info
mail.warn   -/var/log/mail/mail.warn
mail.err/var/log/mail/mail.err

I guessed first this was trivially inconsistent.

But I have one more sid system with sendmail installed
and found there is /var/log/mail/mail.log etc.

And (or furthermore) I have sid system in PowerPC with exim
from the beginning and I found that /etc/syslog.conf contains

mail.*  /var/log/mail.log

mail.info   -/var/log/mail.info
mail.warn   -/var/log/mail.warn
mail.err/var/log/mail.err

completely different from that of other sid systems.
(and thoes /var/log/mail.* really exist!)

In every sid system, sysklogd package is of

ii  sysklogd   1.4.1-2System logging daemons

I am now totally confused.  Has anyone any advise for me?

Best regards,   2001.9.25

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Re: bind9-chroot (was: questions on ITP)

[Martin F Krafft]

also sprach Christian Kurz (on Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:59:13PM +0200):
> Hm, that doesn't make much sense too me. I think the best thing would be
> to have /etc/bind inside $CHROOT and having no symlink. 

except if you want to enable the usual /etc/bind/ editing of
conf-files, which would make administering the chroot no different
than administering the non-chrooted bind.

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xmodmap???

[Michael Meskes]

I tried activating the Euro symbol. To do so I have to activate it on
AltGr-E. So that should be easy. I just created a .Xmodmap file in my home
which contains:

keycode 26 = e E currency 

This works if executed by hand, but not automatically. I verified that the
file is xmodmap'ed in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40xfree86-common_xmodmap but the
key is no longer available once X has started. I checked some archives and
found that others have/had the very same problem. But I did not find an
explanation for this. On the other hand there appears to be no bug report
either against xbase-clients. At least that's what the web page search on
bugs.debian.org said.

Any idea?

Michael  
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Re: Looking for Martin Quinson (Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 01:13:12AM +0200))

[Jérôme Marant]

Eric Van Buggenhaut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> This message was created automatically by mail delivery software (Exim).
> 
> A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
> recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
> 
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> retry time not reached for any host after a long failure period


  The email address is correct and worked yesterday with me, at least.

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